Paul Craig Roberts' Skeptical Take On The Orlando Shooting

Tyler Durden's picture

Authored by Paul Craig Roberts,

Some readers have asked for my take on the Orlando Shooting.

I don’t have one. Let’s see if together we can form a reasonable view.

Let’s start with the basic first question. Before there can be a murder declared, there must be a body. Has anyone seen on TV or in newspapers pictures of dead bodies? Bodies should be readily available if the reports are correct that fifty people were killed and 50 or more were wounded and in hospital.

I cannot bear the presstitute TV and print media. These are full-time propaganda organizations. Hopefully, some of you hold your nose and watch the news and can fill in the spaces. Has anything we have been told been confirmed by any real evidence?

Initially, I saw a CNN newscast and a RT report. The reports were heavy with verbiage of blood being all over the place, but the only visual evidence offered were three people, supposedly injured, being helped, not by medics or first responders, but by ordinary folks. A couple of people were helping a guy with tattoos in place of a shirt, but there was no sign of blood. Several people were helping people in police uniforms to carry a person who they dumped in the back of a pickup truck, not in the cab. About 6 people were carrying a person stretched out prone (no stretcher) down a street.

There was no blood and it looked like a crisis acting performance. Why prone? Is an injured person really able to keep his body stiff so that he can be carried along prone parallel to the ground? Where are they taking him? Is this just a camera walk-by? What has become of the protocol that untrained people are not to attempt to help injured people? When police arrive at a scene, they usually run off bystanders, not recruit them to assist their activities or allow them to carry away the wounded and dead.

Readers have noticed that the visual evidence does not match the verbal reports. Readers report that Fox “News” and MSNBC repeatedly show the same footage described above of bystanders carrying supposedly injured victims whose facial expressions are completely unstressed and show no pain, fear, or blood.

So has anyone seen any dead bodies? Any body bags? Any wounded taken to hospitals in ambulances? Any of the hospital wounded interviewed by TV reporters? Has any reporter checked with the morgue?

Allegedly, people inside the massacre location made cell phone calls and texted. But no one took photos or videos? Are there no security cameras? No doormen to notice a heavily armed person enter?

With 50 people killed and 50 or more wounded and reports of oceans of blood, there should be plenty of evidence Have any of you seen any of it?

As far as I know, dead bodies, other than those of the perpetrators themselves, seldom if ever emerge from the terrorist attacks. No dead bodies materialized from the Paris attacks except those of the alleged perpetrators. No dead bodies ever emerged from the Sandy Hook shootings. The only dead bodies I recall from the San Bernardino shooting were the husband-and-wife-alleged-perpetrators, and their hands were handcuffed behind their backs. Do police handcuff dead people who the police have shot to pieces? I don’t remember dead bodies from Brussels, just reports of dead bodies.

One could say that the media is averse to invading the privacy of dead people and their relatives by showing dead bodies, or that the media doesn’t want to show gruesome scenes—except for the videos of Muslim terrorists cutting off people’s heads. But by now the unanswered questions from the various shootings have created so much skepticism that a person would think the media would provide corroborative evidence for the official claims.

Maybe they have. As I admit, I don’t watch the presstitute news.

In order to shoot 100 people, the principal weapon allegedly used, an AR-15, would have had to have been reloaded several times, a procedure that takes enough time for people to rush the shooter and overpower him.

Is it possible for one person to shoot 100 people successfully but not be able to shoot even one cop when police appear? Remember the Charlie Hebdo event. The two killers were highly professional when they wiped out the magazine staff and a policeman in the street, but later when confronted by police they were so hapless and incompetent as to suggest that they were not the same people. Remember the San Bernardino shootings. Three eyewitnesses said that the shooters were three muscular males dressed in black, not a husband and diminutive wife with a new baby.

What is most troublesome about these shootings is that the story seems already prepared by the government and is immediately set. We are fed the story before there is time for investigation by government or media. The media never investigate. The media just repeat the government’s story over and over until it is set in everyone’s mind. Contrary evidence is just discarded.

The alleged perpetrators are always killed, so we never hear from them. The only survivor of the various terrorisms is the younger Tsarnaev brother who has been held incommunicado. We have never heard directly from him.

One might think that by now the US media would have at least a smidgen of skeptcism. After all, for the past 15 years we have wasted trillions of dollars in wars in the Middle East based on lies that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and Assad used chemical weapons against his own people. So why is the media willing to accept whatever the government says without any investigation or even raising a question?

The chairman, co-chairman, and legal counsel of the official 9/11 Commission have said publicly that the commission was lied to by the US government, that information was withheld from the commission, and that the commission was “set up to fail.” If the government will not tell the truth to the 9/11 Commission, why would the government tell us peons the truth?

It is not reporting merely to repeat the government’s claim. But that is all we get from the payroll jobs, unemployment and inflation reports to terrorism reports and claims of “Russian aggression.”

Send your emails with URLs of news broadcasts showing dead bodies and other real evidence. Don’t send in your speculations. They might be interesting and on the mark, but what we are trying to do is to see if there is any real evidence in behalf of this latest story of mass slaughter inside a night club.

It will be difficult, perhaps even impossible, to get any truth out of the Orlando shooting. Too many vocal and well organized interest groups have a strong stake in the government’s explanation. It comes to the aid of the anti-Muslim lobby and the Trump campaign which want Muslims kept out of the US and those here arrested and deported. It comes to the aid of the gun control lobby. It comes to the aid of the progressive-left that wants to normalize homosexual and transgendered people, thus the outpouring of sympathy for those shot in the homosexual night club. It comes to the aid of the spy industry and the police state that want no check on their activities. It comes to the aid of Washington’s murderous foreign policy—so what if we blow up Muslim children—look what they do to us when they grow up, which is what the Israelis say about the Palestinians. It comes to the aid of the neoconservatives and the military-security complex for whom wars against Muslims advance their agenda and fatten their pocketbook.

All of these interests are far more powerful than the right of peons to know the truth.

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Jay_Son's picture

Never trust anyone with 3 first names...

TeamDepends's picture

Democrats will continue shooting people (or appear to) until the Second Amendment is repealed. Any questions?

NoDebt's picture

Paul- why don't you call their families and ask if their loved ones have come home yet.  I know people (business associates, not friends) who were in the WTC towers on 9/11 and nobody's heard from them since.  I'm sure they're just on a long vacation or something, though.

You can argue about how they were killed and exactly how the story was being distorted, but to say "it never happened, nobody was killed, it was a government/hollywood production" is utter bullshit.


santafe's picture
santafe (not verified) NoDebt Jun 14, 2016 9:55 PM

Totally agree with PCR. The whole thing was PURE THEATER.

Gaius Frakkin' Baltar's picture

If one sand nigger can take out 50 plus faggots, that doesn't bode well for the 'inclusive' military of the future.

beemasters's picture

"It comes to the aid of the anti-Muslim lobby....It comes to the aid of the progressive-left that wants to normalize homosexual and transgendered people, thus the outpouring of sympathy for those shot in the homosexual night club."

This entire event seems to be part of a larger scheme to subconsciously pin blame on Islam/Arab nations. Thus we were readily fed with articles such as gay life in Arab nations. But FBI made a huge mistake. They chose a gay Muslim to carry out their agenda and tried to tell the media the shooter hated "men kissing" (witness accounts have rebutted that story confirming there were more than kissing going on in the club he frequented for the past few years) and then FBI requested his former fiance not to tell the media/public he was gay??? For that alone, FBI should be charged with attempting to suppress information in a criminal case. My suspicion is they orchestrated the event...yet again.

Boris Alatovkrap's picture

So many question, question, question. Why is West allow immigration of hostile ideology? Why is leader in West so very afraid of word to describe Islamofacism and Terrorism? WTF is "home growing" terrorist? Why is take 3 hour to storm scene of hostage?

beemasters's picture

The only "hostile ideology" is those that have been fed to the masses. I gather to instill fear and heighten conflicts. On one hand, the media help to vilify Muslims and their ideology, on the other hand, they let them in. If that's not staging a huge conflict, I don't know what is.

Boris Alatovkrap's picture

Yes, it is very difficult to say "Islam is violent". Except, Islam IS violent.

Many who say it is not is not yet read Q'uran. Boris is read Q'uran and is very violent. Boris is not believe Alah in Q'uran is same as Jesus in Bible. Is very different and teaching is not peaceful, but is violent and retributive. Muhammed was very petulant angry dysregulated beduin who is perverted in sex and full of violence.

beemasters's picture

Have you met many "violent" Muslims yourself, Boris? Personally, I have not (I have only known of them through the media). On the contrary, I have met only most welcoming, warm, genuine Muslims. So if you wish to believe what decade-long propaganda that have been released and distributed by narrow-minded media/friends/family of yours just to please your ego that your religion is better, please be my guest. To me, all religions are a source of conflict and a tool to divide the masses.

Oldwood's picture

Yes, it's like a world wide conspiracy to besmirch the religion of peace, the most populous religion in the world. They have gone to so much effort also, perpetrating false flag terror events around the world, out pacing all other religions combined. And then to go well out of their way, resisting growing anti Muslim hate to proclaim it's not really Islam at cant be as Islam is the religion of peace. Sneaky bastards trying to attack Islam while insisting that Muslims are our best friends.

They was framed I tell ya.

Boris Alatovkrap's picture

Simple response… "By their fruit you are know them". Action of Islamic terrorism is correlate to what is written in Q'uran and in Haddith (and Sunna).

beemasters's picture

As PCR has written in his previous post. Muslim terrorists are a hoax. He should know. He was part of the establishment. And I have said before, if you have the influence, power and money as TPTB do, you can buy your own Bhutanese Buddhist monk terrorists too, complete with the media that back up the entire narrative. Battery not included, unless you are willing to pay extra.

But hey, continue with your own belief of hate and brainwashed brainski of yours, if you wish.

Boris Alatovkrap's picture

No doubt Islamic terrorist is receive fund from TPTB, but this is not evidence of "peaceful" nature of Islam, but of proclivity for violence in Islam. Boris is rely of fact and experience, no "belief of hate" necessary. But very thankyou for your comment of misguidance.

beemasters's picture

Why single out Islam? There are violence too in other so called "holy" scriptures. Does it mean all their followers are violent? No.

The religion has been in existence for more than a thousand years. Why only the past decade or so that we are bombarded with the evil Islam and all coinciding with the illegal wars that are happening? Is that ever curious to you, Boris? And why are you helping them to perpetuate that hate if you really understood it to be a creation of TPTB?

Boris Alatovkrap's picture

TPTB creation of Islamic Terrorist is your narrative, not Boris. But you are wrong on recent history of Islamic violence. How is Christian cathedral in Instanbul and Cordova become mosque except by violent horde of Muslim invader? You are familiar with term "assassin"? Is derive from "Hashashin", drug of choice for Muslim homicide martyr.

beemasters's picture

But you believe TPTB funded the Muslim terrorists. No? There are many wars in human history that are (still) fought in the name of religion. Why single out only one? So you think all/most Muslims are evil? Continue believing so and be tool to TPTB.

I am again asking many violent Muslim do you personally know?I'm not here to change your perception. I can't. Just expose yourself more to people of different cultures if you have the chance to. Live in their shoes stay in their homes, if you can. Maybe then you will understand that we are all inherently the same despite how 'violent' your holy texts may be.

Ok...Beemasters needs his sleep....

Boris Alatovkrap's picture

Boris is stuck in concrete apartment in Minsk, but when is younger is travel all over. Is drink tea with Buddhist Monk, is visit with Rabbi, pray with Pentacost, hide from Witness of Jehovah, argue with athiest, work with B'hai Faithful and Zoroastrian, even run over Mormen missionary on way to vegetarian love fest of Hare Krishna. Boris is also friend from Egypt, too, is Muslim. Is peaceful, but is not read Q'uran, is not follow Q'uran or hadith.

So Boris is read Q'uran and Haddith. Is not just detail of war like Torah, but is violent retributive, vengeful text writing by vengeful, retributive, emotionally dysregulated outcast beduin. Very sad tale. Boris is read 7 Fold Path to Nirvana by Bodisatva, News Testament, and other religious text. All is teach of peace, tolerance, and light. Is very different from Q'uran.

Muh Raf's picture

So are you fluent in classical arabic or did you read 'helpful' translations of these texts? Do you believe that the arabic noun transliterated as 'jihaad' means 'kill'? 

Boris Alatovkrap's picture

Jihad is mean "struggle". This is like "Mein Kompf", "My struggle".

And "Islam" is mean "submit", not "peace".

Khan Bodin's picture

Like I said, moron, the role of a religion is not to teach and spread sex, drugs and peace, it is to make its followers adhere to its tenets, you imbecile!

beemasters's picture

Reading doesn't always mean understanding the essence. I don't blame you. I guess you must believe all whose holy book is the Quran are hateful, intolerant? Who do you think is hateful and intolerant here ...I would say Boris. Don't you agree?

Most if not all religious followers that I know have better sense than taking their scriptures verbatim. You might want to consider stopping your reading and begin to see and feel.

shovelhead's picture

Hello Mr. Constantinople, have you heard about Allah?"

Hello Mr Budapest, Have you heard about Allah?

Hello Mr. Spain, Have you heard about Allah?

Your friendly door to door conversion religion.


I'll give you your point. Some Muslims haven't got the sack to be jehadis but that puts them in the same category as Christians who don't proselytize as the Bible commands them to do.

I have no problem at all with Muslims who ignore the Koran. It's the ones that follow it to the letter who are the problem.

Tarjan's picture

Name another religion that puts a death sentence on those who want to leave and convert to another one. How peaceful and tolerant is that?



Boris Alatovkrap's picture

Exercise power of discernment is not love, is not hate. Is not tolerant is not intolerant. Maybe you are expand your sphere of understanding and leave behind emotional splitting.

beemasters's picture

Reading your posts you have not exercised the true power of discernment, Boris. You make judgement on the entire billions of Quran followers based on your naive/ego-driven perception. You seem to be claiming you are an authority of the evil Quran and those followers are all evil, but I don't think you really believe that. But you do insist in spreading the message that they are evil. Why? Because your interpretation of the text tells you to? Is that what you call the power of discernment??? I could also say you are no less evil than what you think evil is and call it my "exercising the power of discernment", can't I? Never mind the merits and beauty of Boris that others could see in you, because they are all wrong and evil too??? C'mon, buddy. Wake up....or not. The choice is up to you. Anyway, feel free to continue poisoning brothers against brothers, if that's your heart's desire.

Khan Bodin's picture

Boris the libtard cockscuker from Minks, tell me something about liberal violence. After invading contless countries and killing close to 30 million people since the WW2 alone (according to some studies, over 80% of all armed conflicts on the planet are products of western aggressions), one would think there is much violence there. Secualr European countries have killed hundreds of millions of people in their wars of aggressions in last century too. Oh, you don't think there is violence in occupation, invasions and transgressions, hm? Not if they are done by secularist... by the state, hm? You stupid liberal trash!

Seek_Truth's picture


Islam has been waging jihad throughout the centuries, back to its inception by their pedophile "prophet."

PS- Let me guess what your moniker "beemasters" means: You, like all your muslim kin, already own, and wear "beekeeper outfits." Get a job as a beekeeper, muslim. You already have the uniform.

beemasters's picture

Boy aren't you full of hate.
They have won. I rest my case...

neutrino3's picture

You closed your eyes and ears 20 years ago.

Now you desperately need a metal asshat.

Techpriest of Mars's picture

Dixit the guys who just killed 20 Millions Innoncent soul in the last 60 years so that a few satanist oligarch can keep their priviligied wealth, i bet Jesus Christ is pride of you and your new role of satan's lackeys.

Scornd's picture

You are not debating so much as you are using Sophist rhetoric to mealy mouth your self on this platform--- red herrings, appeals to emotion, constant fallacies that allow you to move the goal posts in this discussion in which ever way suits you. And you either know that's exactly what you are doing, to "muddy the waters" or you are just using sophistry unknowingly because you were only taught one way of communicating knowledge.

Lemme guess, public schooled? Or professional troll?

beemasters's picture

Not at all. Having gone through what I have in life, I have learnt to empathize.

If you haven't, here's an idea...

Took Red Pill's picture

Great video! The amazing thing is it was made before 9/11 and things have racheted up drastically since then. I often say to people, imagine if another country was flying drones overhead of us and being judge, jury & executioner in seconds, killing your children. How would Americans respond to that?

shovelhead's picture

Empathy is a wonderful thing.

As long as those you empathize with haven't sworn to kill you and your empathy.

beemasters's picture

"On one hand, the media help to vilify Muslims and their ideology..." and by the looks of it, at least with you, they have succeeded in their goal. I have my popcorn ready...

ZD1's picture

"I have met only most welcoming, warm, genuine Muslims."


No doubt you believe in cute cuddly rainbow unicorns too.


Where the hell do you live?


What fucking bullshit.

beemasters's picture

I have lived all over the world. Have you? Answer the many violent Muslims do you personally know???

Billy the Poet's picture

ZD1 stood by and watched as his wife and children were raped by Mohammad himself. He was too afraid to fight back or even take a picture on his phone. In order to get even he's now converted to homosexuality.

ebear's picture

"I have lived all over the world."

Clearly not in the Punjab.

opport.knocks's picture

Beemasters and Boris are both right and wrong...

All of the Muslims I know personally are through work connections and they are upstanding citizens and very good people. They are either MBA grads from English speaking universities or skilled programmers. They are heavily invested in the status quo and will not rock the boat.

I also recognize that the radical Islamists who are currently invading Europe and have declared Jihad against the oppression of the Great Satan (USA) are a different phenomenon. The only thing these 2 groups have in common is the word Islam. 

As for the the religious texts, they have been used consistntly throughout history to motivate the front lines to fight for TPTB. This time is no different.


beemasters's picture

Being right or wrong is not essential for me - it only serves the ego. Being aware in one's deeds and words and their implications is most imperative...that requires positioning our selves in others' shoes.

Yes, there are radicals in all religious groups. Some are less known than others. Part of the social engineering to lead us to the ultimate clash is to highlight the biggest group of all.

SeattleBruce's picture

And secular atheists are much, much more effective at killing.  How does that fit into your religion brings only conflict narrative?

Billy the Poet's picture

I'm an atheist and I haven't killed anyone.

Billy the Poet's picture

I've had memory lapses involving keys and wallets but never homicide.

neutrino3's picture

Pardon my nonbeleive. More like you evicted middle men (mul/pri/rab...) and have a healthy personal sessions with Him. Same here. 

Billy the Poet's picture

I once talked with a nice Christian fellow and told him that I'm an atheist who finds much of Christian morality to be rational and I follow it for that reason. I said "I have nothing but respect for those who believe that they should do unto others as they would have others do unto them."

He smiled and said, "I think you're a Christian but you don't realize it."  While that's ultimately untrue I understand his sentiment and appreciate it.

Khan Bodin's picture

Your dear leader Obongo have. He authorized killings of millions of Muslims in your liberal western aggression on them. He's a mass genocidal murderer, a faggot and your worshiped liberal dear leader. Possibly you are a faggot too. Poets are known to be faggots you know, and there is only so much reasons as to why would someone name himself a "poet." Anyway, there is no reason to recall the murder spree of atheistical sucular Bolshevik scum from the last century I hope. The judgement is clear and obvious just looking at your globalist liberal murder count alone.