Robots To Pay "Social Security" Under EU Tax Proposal

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Submitted by Michael Shedlock via MishTalk.com,

The EU is studying a proposal that would count robots as people for tax purposes.

Although the proposal is deemed “too early” to implement just yet, rest assured once nannycrats get a bad idea in their heads, it never leaves.

This provides yet another reason to vote in favor of Brexit.

Please consider Europe’s Robots to Become ‘Electronic Persons’ Under Draft Plan.

Europe’s growing army of robot workers could be classed as “electronic persons” and their owners liable to paying social security for them if the European Union adopts a draft plan to address the realities of a new industrial revolution.

 

Robots are being deployed in ever-greater numbers in factories and also taking on tasks such as personal care or surgery, raising fears over unemployment, wealth inequality and alienation.

 

Their growing intelligence, pervasiveness and autonomy requires rethinking everything from taxation to legal liability, a draft European Parliament motion, dated May 31, suggests.

 

The draft motion called on the European Commission to consider “that at least the most sophisticated autonomous robots could be established as having the status of electronic persons with specific rights and obligations”.

 

It also suggested the creation of a register for smart autonomous robots, which would link each one to funds established to cover its legal liabilities.

 

The draft motion, drawn up by the European parliament’s committee on legal affairs also said organizations should have to declare savings they made in social security contributions by using robotics instead of people, for tax purposes.

 

The motion faces an uphill battle to win backing from the various political blocks in European Parliament. Even if it did get enough support to pass, it would be a non-binding resolution as the Parliament lacks the authority to propose legislation.

Nao

 

Three-Fifths Rule

Like slaves in the US before the Civil War, do robots get Three-Fifths of a pre-programmed representation in the European Parliament?

 

Law of Bad Ideas

The Law of Bad ideas stipulates that bad ideas never go away, they just get worse over time.

At some point in the future, expect to have to register your robots and pay social security taxes on them as well.

When I first penned the “Law of Bad Ideas” I was shocked to discover nobody had used that phrase.

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SubjectivObject's picture

Watch this space.  The bot masters will quietly fix that soon enough.

Looney's picture

 

Johnny-Five and R2-D2 are tax cheats!  ;-)

Looney

knukles's picture

This is shit happens when you have unelected rulers guiding your fortunes
We really are in the madhouse wing of a prison planet in Hell and most simply don't realize it.

nibiru's picture

You remember this one time when you wondered - why would anyone liked BDSM and be the sub? This is a financial version of this.

You overpay, you have to comply with shitton regs, you get badmouthed and then you don't rebel when those who screw you have their tax-free salaries extracted from your skinny wallet.

beemasters's picture

What will they think of next?

The mafias, I mean politicians, will be out of job if they can't tax robots cos everyone else will be out of work.

RaceToTheBottom's picture

I, for one, am all for charging SS for robots.

Those robots provide their masters labor unrest free profits and now also try to avoid the costs of an aging society?

I say no way, Mr capitalist, Jose.

We have embarked on a "new workers pay for the older workers SS scheme".  I don't think the faceless Capitalists Rothschilds of the world should increase their profits on the backs of their peasants in an effort to get around that obligation..... 

Let the peasants pay for their SS through increased prices....

GeezerGeek's picture

Free profits? Does one get a robot for free? Does a robot need maintenance? And just where do you draw the line when defining what is and what isn't a robot? Is a programmable CNC a robot? Are the mindless masses who always vote for the Red or Blue teams robots?

Umunhum's picture

Your power drill will soon be called a robot.

The people that run the Facist state will have all their robots overseas.

Their competition will never get off the ground because of taxes.

11b40's picture

Which is just one more good example of why we need to adjust the tariffs charged on incoming goods, using those funds to reduce corporate and individual taxes.  Anyone who can't see that is either vested in the current system, or dumb as a box of rocks.

 

hongdo's picture

Thanks for reminding me bout the "civil servents" getting tax free salaries and benefits in return for making up rules that increase our taxes.  Another reason Brexit should be a no-brainer.  Remember when Timmy was grossed up for COLA and housing - and then forgot to declare the income even though he was also given the money to pay the tax?  And in return was made Treasury Secretary.  Maybe they think taxes are tips for the entertainment provided by the Official Fools.

Oldwood's picture

When we empower people over us to derive "fairness", this is what we get. The real world has no fairness other than what we can achieve for ourselves. This is quickly becoming a madhouse for sure, with the craziest in charge. We are watching as everything unwinds simply because the only "solutions" are ever greater madness. I can't help but wonder at what point (if ever) that humanity will look over its shoulder from where we came to realize our true trajectory. Earth is rushing upward faster and faster and becoming clearly in focus. Will we pull the parachute cord in time, or simply splat upon the ground, refusing to accept we cannot really fly, that the "free fall" will not continue forever?

Kaeako's picture

Did you even read the article? This comes from the parliament, where the representatives are directly elected - and even if it did pass, it would be backed by zero legal authority because the European Parliament is a limp dick - actual authority is held by the various higher national representatives.

As far as the draft itself, it's a good start on the road to rethinking employment and social benefits in a world dominated by robotics and AI. Sooner or later the problem of the growing ranks of "useless" eaters needs to be solved after all.

Oldwood's picture

Sooner or later the problem of the growing ranks of "useless" eaters needs to be solved after all.

 

And it will be solved in the way it has always been solved....they will not survive.

outlaw.guru's picture

But then you don't need robots to feed them. Robo tax is the only smart idea that would benefit the nation. It's opponents will primarily be the owners of large capital.

GeezerGeek's picture

Perhaps Europe can apply a special VAT to robot-produced goods or services.

I still wonder, however, how they will distinguish between a plain machine and a robot. Is a car motor that is controlled by an electronic control module a robot? What about an electric water pump? Or a refrigerator that can go online and reorder food to replenish what's been consumed? We keep saying 'robot' but haven't really defined the boundaries of that word. Sort of like 'assault rifle'.

11b40's picture

If it eliminates a human, it could be called a robot.

GreatUncle's picture

The MEP's are really jobs for the boys not MP's used to fearsome debates because "nothing they ever mention does anything". How to train politicians to be dumb and then wonder why we get this.

If it was democratic and what they propose was worth anything at all they all fuck up in one term and populations realising they are stupid elect others. Eventually with searching we find people who can think.

Then you get the block, the EU commission will just ignore them anyway so really they debated something for not real reason but because they could.

It is all mentally retarded because it would be cheaper the cost of MEP's to employ fucking robots with more intelligence and so skynet can form.

RaceToTheBottom's picture

Good comment, it went beyond the kneejerk reaction to always fighting what the man wants.

fockewulf190's picture

It´s going to expand beyond social security.  Why? They are indeed unelected rulers, but you forgot to add socialist to the description.  They are thinking, if we replace human workers, who pay income taxes and mandatory contributions to the social systems (retirement, medical, disability, unemployment, workers comp, ect. ect ), with robots who pay nothing, where will the money come from to make up for the new shortfalls to the government coffers?  Answer:  tax the robots as if they were alive.  Don´t be surprised to see this shit...because in countries like France, the serfs will eventually freak the fuck out and attack the politicians and managers.

RaceToTheBottom's picture

Exactly, it will go way beyond SS.  This is a trial balloon.  Sort of like the mandatory payment scheme for being alive that Switzerland pushed for earlier this year.  

All long term positioning for requiring permission from the government for having a child....

GreatUncle's picture

All the car makers will be serious tax avoiders with all them robots. Imagine the McDonald CEO right now ... oh fuck all my robots are going to be taxed.

Or do these corporations like now get special priviliges.

NMA's picture

What a wonderful thing. redistributing from the usefull robots to the useless robots..... 

NMA's picture

What a wonderful thing. redistributing from the usefull robots to the useless robots..... 

GeezerGeek's picture

Johnny-Five kept and bore arms. He also preferred to use his brains to solve problems before resorting to violence.

White Mountains's picture

Good!  Since a robot is as a human, I am getting me about a dozen little robots to keep at home and claim as dependants for tax deductions.

RaceToTheBottom's picture

You saw through them.  Well done.

 

  • If robots are afforded the rights of humans.
  • And robots are owned by companies.
  • And companies are already afforded the rights of humans.

 

Controllers of Companies now control all humans and those that are afforded the rights of humans.

 

Mission Accomplished.

 

GeezerGeek's picture

My dog and cat now demand equal rights. They clearly are more sentient than most robots (and indeed more so than many voters), so why not? They have excellent sensory equipment, are programmed to generally maintain themselves, and are more fun to be with than most robots. (We have to ignore the sexbots to accept this part.) Plus, I have a friend who insists that animals should have the same rights as humans, although being a gun-control nut she always insists that the 2nd amendment does not allow the right to arm bears.

Darkman17's picture

My robots are voting for trump. No taxation without representation right?

doctor10's picture

talk about doubling down on legacy stupidity

the eurocrats don't get it-yet

doctor10's picture

at least "electronic persons" will always vote as they're told!!

GeezerGeek's picture

I have a system with a neural network. When it was fed this article the first thing it spat out was "No taxation without representation!"

Do we now have to add 'robot' to the gender classifications"

 

Singelguy's picture

Since robots are "electronic persons" can they run for office? They might do a better job running things than the current idiots in Brussels!

Bill of Rights's picture

The retards are running the joint, and the sane allow them...truly amazing really.

nibiru's picture

In the world of democracy, the one who is louder wins because he is heard by many.

 

Unfortunately, machines can't have their trade union to defend them against people's abuse or government taxation. What would we do without our comrades in USSR *cough* UE. 

http://independenttrader.org/brexit-consequences-to-look-out-for.html

PhiBetaZappa's picture

The System of Doctor Tarr and Professor Fether - Edgar Allan Poe

Philo Beddoe's picture

My toaster has been retired for about 10 years and has not seen a fucking dime. All that toasting she did for 20 years. Poor girl. 

wanderer9641's picture

Toaster has to be 65 to collect

 

GreatUncle's picture

The Toaster never gets to retire like us humans.

I ain't giving robots a better quality of life than what I have.

Where is my hammer, smash the toaster!

mary mary's picture

Rothschilds don't have all the money in the world yet.  They need to tax every hammer, screwdriver, saw, shovel, and toothbrush.

bada boom's picture

I would be careful about this.  We all know what happens when you have taxation without representation.

Agstacker's picture

The REAL reason skynet did what it did.  All that 'self aware' crap was just propaganda.

e_goldstein's picture

Yes. I'm curious to hear what Tay has to say about this.

neutrino3's picture

That happens when you give "the children" magnifying  glass ... they just burn ants all day.

ZeroPoint's picture

Can't have the social security Ponzi scheme collapse, now can they?

Cautiously Pessimistic's picture

What about 'Gender Fluid' robots?  Will they get some sort of special treatment under the law?

 

#GenderFluidRobotLivesMatter

ZorroHedge's picture

Jezus. What's wrong with this proposal ? Do you realize that if everything gets automated by robots, people have no jobs, nobody will consume, economies worldwide will crash and people will die ? Damnit man, looks like greed switches off neurons.

tarsubil's picture

LOL. Some people actually do believe once labor costs go to near zero long term that there won't be any wealth and we'll all starve. It doesn't make any sense but to the wage slave work cult.

ZorroHedge's picture

Dude, I don't believe it. I know it for sure. You guys are crazy. You don't want social security and you want to automize everything and not tax it. You don't need to be Einstein to see that such a system could not work.