Kremlin: Brexit Is Like Soviet Breakup

George Washington's picture

The last leader of the Soviet Union, Mikhail Gorbachev, previously said:

The most puzzling development in politics during the last decade is the apparent determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe.

And in the wake of Brexit, today's Kremlin said much the same thing:

It’s obvious that the U.K. is going through a “turbulent, confusing and unpredictable period,” Dmitry Peskov [Vladimir Putin’s spokesman] told reporters on a conference call Monday. Russia “has gone through the collapse of the Soviet Union and many generations clearly remember the period of the Soviet collapse, that period of uncertainty.”

 

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The USSR was dissolved in December 1991, more than 18 months after Lithuania led the Baltic republics in declaring independence.

Given that the Soviet Union was anti-democratic and authoritarian, and that EU appears to be pushing to destroy the sovereignty of individual European nations, the analogy might not be that far off.

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blindman's picture

so, the news cycle is revealed as the rolling scam that it is.

blindman's picture

the masters of the news cycle need be bludgeoned into some sort of
human based orientation, if you know what i mean.

blindman's picture

what happened to the dead and dying of orlando?
who is omar marteen? have the injured recovered alright
from their wounds or have they become dead casualties?
.
what are the final numbers? is the investigation
over before it began? are there any answers to any
of these questions? are there any questions? is there
a place or space for questions anymore? who would care?
anyways. ....
.man

VWAndy's picture

 So they will be busting into safety deposit boxes and looting an stuff?

Sandmann's picture

Read Dmitry Orlov: Reinventing Collapse

dexter_morgan's picture

Hey George, how many 'coincidences' does this guy make for Clinton associates?

http://hiddenamericans.com/politics/un-official-found-dead-was-set-to-te...

George Washington's picture

Yeah, amazing how many whistleblowers end up kicking the bucket ...

navy62802's picture

What will be interesting to watch is the fallout. Will other EU members vote to leave? What will happen to NATO?

opport.knocks's picture

Getting out of NATO would be like trying to leave a Mafia crime family.

sapioplex's picture

Turkey seems like it just got off to a good start!

Son of Captain Nemo's picture

Actually I think for the U.S. and "United States of Europe" it's far... far.. worse given the poor choices  (they collectively) made for themselves post Soviet Union collapse with NATO bankrolling expansion Eastward and the misadventures starting with Yugoslavia in the 90's then the rollover into the abyss post 9/11 in the Middle East.

The numbers compared. Soviet Union vs. U.S./EU collapse(s)?

$23 Trillion "on deck" with likely well over $100 Trillion in unfunded liabilities "in the hole"!

What were the numbers for the Soviet Union's economy  in 1990 - 1991?  Does it even really matter with the sentence above?!!!

Sandmann's picture

Yes but the USA was deely involved in the collapse of the USSR......

opport.knocks's picture

"What is a rounding error? Alex" 

Correct!

"I'll take "American Exceptionalism"  for 500 Alex"

Salsa Verde's picture

It would be awesome to see fields of loose high denomination Euro notes blowing in the breeze just like happened during the Soviet breakup when their currency went to shit.

hvl626's picture

 

 

Have you noticed the striking similarity between the EU authoritative faceless unelected financiers and corporate controllers that have devastated the European group and the projected structure being promoted by secretive treaty negotiations involving the United States ??

 

The ECB uses the Euro and Wall Street uses the Federal Reserve to make humongus theft from the citizens.  Ref. https://www.scribd.com/doc/115919607/FUNDING-THE-NEW-WORLD-ORDER

jcdenton's picture

If you want to talk of ..

 

The breakup of the USSR ..

 

And its correlation to BREXIT ..

 

I would query Amb. Lee Wanta ..

 

Don't you think Georgy?

 

http://eagleonetowanta.com/

roadhazard's picture

Pootin would like it to be but it ain't.

gmak's picture

Except old Brits won't have to eat pages out of their library books to survive. And no oligarchs will come calling offering some food for those "worthless" shares in  Soviet companies like that silly Gazprom. 

 

 

exartizo's picture

EU Obituary:

"In the end, the destabilization of the Middle East and the influx of destabilizing immigrants is what destroyed the EU."

The Europeans can thank the United States for that.

exartizo's picture

...dissolution and disintegration of a Tyrannical Nation State like the EU is never painless.

nibiru's picture

Very good analogy!

 

"Those who are still young cannot imagine the world around them without the EU. I would draw a parallel to millions having similar beliefs when it came to the collapse of the Soviet Union that fell in the ‘90s. The EU has different economic foundation than the USSR but flaws we can observe can bring it down."

http://independenttrader.org/brexit-consequences-to-look-out-for.html

Sudden Debt's picture

I remember that time...

You could buy a priceless icon back in the day for a pair of jeans

Public order broke down for 6 years in Russia and it was hell. The mob ruled the streets for a decade

Sandmann's picture

Gangsters like Berezhovsky and Khodorkovsky

Bankster Kibble's picture

Just beware any carpetbaggers moving into England with the words, "Have I got a deal for YOU!"

BorisTheBlade's picture

Analogies are never precice, but Britain breaking away is more like Baltic states breaking away (1990). They never really wanted to be part of the Union and their support for USSR was lowest among all the republics. England is not continental and in that sense was always apart from the rest. Whether EU prevails depends mostly on Germany and France being willing to carry the Union intact and all the cost that goes with it. I suspect they are about to decide it's not necessarily worth it.

Sandmann's picture

Britain HAD to be part of the EEC and EU for geopolitical reasons. It could not allow a Continental Power to freeze it out of European geopolitics, especially where France could get control of Germany

doctor10's picture

the future is regional. 

Legacy 20th century institutions grounded in 19th century ideals and beleifs are the principle impedicment to the commencement of the 21st century.

To that extent, perhaps Brexit is actually, finally the beginning of the end of the 20th century.

 

Radical Marijuana's picture

blindman pointed out one significant typographical error, and similarly with the gramatical use of principal, and if we are bothering to note more typos, then beleif vs belief.

But nevertheless, the thesis of both the article and comment were basically correct.

Since, the USSR and the EU were fundamentally SIMILAR kinds of organisations.

I repeat my overview that I previously posted here:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-26/rebellion-real-brexit-was-merel...

The Rebellion Is Real; Brexit Was Merely A Warning

 

It is grossly understating the seriousness of the situation to merely assert that:

The rebellion is real and therefore the causes of the rebellion are also real ... the centralizing tendencies, unchecked immigration, runaway political correctness and metastatic government that have characterized the West in these last decades.

It is NOT merely for a "few decades" that Western Civilization has had problems. Rather, the problems with Neolithic Civilization have been growing at about an exponential rate for thousands of years. The basic problems are that civilization is controlled by being able to back up lies with violence, which became integrated systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, the most significant of which became that public governments enforced frauds by private banks. Governments were ALWAYS the biggest forms of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals, the gangsters known as the banksters, while, for several Centuries, the international banksters have captured increasing control of civilization, BUT that was done by enforcing frauds, in ways which were spinning out of control ...

The European Union was a project of those international banksters, in order to consolidate their power to make the public "money" supplies out of nothing as debts, while those Euros would be enforced by the European Union, in ways that the vast majority of people had even less abilities to restrain than when they still had their national currencies.

It is quite ironic to expect that the possible withdrawal of Britain from the European Union could have any sufficiently significant effects, since the British Pound was the primary way that the international banksters enforced their frauds for Centuries. The Bank of England became the most significant bank that had the legal power to create "money" out of nothing as debts, through fractional reserve banking, which started off a few Centuries ago as merely being able to issue twice as much paper certificates for gold as there was actual physical gold. (Those ratios now exceed 100 to 1.) In general, the overwhelming vast majority of people do not understand that money is measurement backed by murder, because they have been conditioned to not want to understand.

The vast majority of people are not remotely close to being able to engage in any deeper analyses of their problems, due to the degree that the dominate natural languages, and philosophy of science, have become based upon the biggest bullies' bullshit world view, while the public discussions of the political economy is almost totally drowning in mostly taking for granted the banksters' bullshit about "economics." The worst form of "metastatic government" is that the monetary system has become like a totally metastasized cancer. At this point in time, it is politically impossible to imagine any realistic resolutions for those real problems, other than that the existing debt slavery systems, which have manifested as debt insanities, eventually provoke death insanities, inside of the existing systems which are the MAD Money As Debt systems, based upon public governments enforcing frauds by private banks, where those governments rely upon MAD Mutual Assured Destruction systems.

I have no doubt that there will be more and more "rebellions," because the causes of those rebellions ARE real. However, there could not be any better "revolutions" without those becoming based upon a series of intellectual scientific revolutions, and profound paradigm shifts. Since there has been almost exponential progress in physical science,  that is driving the theoretical imperatives to have genuine PROGRESS in political science. However, so far, that has NOT HAPPENED! Furthermore, it appears to be politically impossible for that to happen, because of the degree to which enough people would have to go through series of profound paradigm shifts in the ways that they perceive political problems.

Human beings and civilization live as entropic pumps of environmental energy flows. However, the ways that those actually developed were driven by natural selection pressures to create artificial selection systems based upon the maximum possible deceits and frauds.

That is the context inside of which we have witnessed the exponential growth of "centralizing tendencies, unchecked immigration, runaway political correctness and metastatic government." All of those tendencies have been due to exponential progress in physical science enabling the exponentially increasing enforcement of frauds to become blatantly worse, faster, such as became more apparent "in these last decades."

Human beings and civilization should better understand themselves as manifestations of general energy systems. While that is theoretically possible, it is politically impossible due to that requiring that we should try to stop using the biggest bullies' bullshit, presented through the DUALITIES of false fundamental dichotomies, and the related impossible ideals. When one thinks more consistently about human beings and civilization living as general energy systems, which operate as entropic pumps of environmental energy flows, the results are that one can theoretically derive the actual empirical observations, namely, that governments are the biggest forms of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals.

The European Union was another manifestation of the best organized gangsters, the international banksters, effectively controlling the national governments, as the biggest local gangs of criminals, to join into a larger group of organized criminals, which continued to be run by the best available professional hypocrites, so that the Euro currency could become an even bigger manifestation of enforced frauds, which could suck various smaller, southern European countries, such as Greece, Cyprus, etc., into worse and worse debt slavery situations, becoming runaway debt insanities.

European Union was a larger regional consolidation of the previously established, combined money/murder systems. Those systems are things that the vast majority of Europeans do not understand, and do not want to understand, because of the degree to which they take for granted thinking using the biggest bullies' bullshit languages, based upon DUALITIES, false fundamental dichotomies, and the related impossible ideals. Since the vast majority of people continue to want to believe in various old-fashioned impossible ideals, their "rebellions" are probably going to backfire badly, and cause the opposite to happen in the real world.

While it should be theoretically obvious that human beings and civilization should attempt to understand themselves better as manifestations of general energy systems, there are virtually no significant, publicly presented, abilities to think like that. Using more UNITARY MECHANISMS to understand our real problems requires facing the facts regarding how and why governments are necessarily the biggest forms of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals.

In that context, the Brexit referendum was a public expression of how more people are generally fed up with all of the ways that the enforcement of frauds have become exponentially more fraudulent, while the public spaces were more and more being dominated by the best available professional hypocrites, and thus, the actual social facts diverged wider and wider from the bullshit spouted by the professional hypocrites, such as through "runaway political correctness," etc. ...

The European Union was intended to be a stepping stone towards the globalized consolidation of controlling civilization through being able to enforce frauds, despite that the overall fraudulence of that would spin out of control. The underlying problems are that enforcing frauds becomes exponentially more fraudulent, in proportion to how socially successful the systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, become. There are intense paradoxes which are inherent in civilization based on being able to back up deceits with destruction, that became based upon being able to enforce frauds. The social successfulness of the most wealthy and powerful people, who participated in doing that the most, has generated sets of consistent contradictions, in the form of a culture which is operated by ruling classes who became increasingly psychotic psychopaths, ruling over people who became increasingly impotent political idiots.

The Brexit referendum was a sign that more people are not as willing to act like political idiots than previously was routinely the case. However, their superficial "rebellions" are NOT enough without enough of them going through series of intellectual scientific revolutions, which apply profound paradigm shifts throughout all the realms of political science. The almost exponential progress in physical sciences are making it become more and more imperative that human beings and civilization should better understand themselves as manifestations of general energy systems. While there is nothing that makes progress in political science not be theoretically possible, at the present time that appears to be politically impossible, because of the ways that enough people would have to go through series of profound  paradigm shifts, in order to better understand the how and why civilization has ended up being almost totally dominated by professional liars and immaculate hypocrites.

The European Union was publicly presented by those kinds of professional hypocrites, whose impossible ideals always backfired badly, and actually caused the opposite to happen in the real world. However, the same mostly applies to the layers of the various controlled opposition groups, including most of those who publicly led the Brexit campaign to its small margin of apparent victory. "Rebellions" are NOT the same as what is truly needed, which are series of intellectual scientific revolutions, in order to enable much more real, radical, revolutions.

There may well be more and more public "rebellions" against the consequences of that. However, there is practically NONE of the kinds of intellectual scientific revolutions and profound changes in the ways that political science is perceived, in order to cope with the ways that the previous systems of paper money frauds, backed by gunpowder weapons, have become globalized electronic frauds, backed by atomic weapons.

THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ARE NOT WILLING AND ABLE TO THINK THROUGH THE WAYS THAT "THEIR" WORLD HAS BECOME DOMINATED BY GLOBALIZED ELECTRONIC MONKEY MONEY FRAUDS, BACKED BY THE THREAT OF FORCE FROM APES WITH ATOMIC BOMBS.

THE DEEPER LEVELS OF THE PROBLEMS THAT ARISE FROM THE COMBINATION OF POLITICAL PROCESSES CONTROLLED BY ENFORCING FRAUDS, PLUS ADVANCING TECHNOLOGIES ENABLING THAT ENFORCEMENT OF FRAUDS TO BECOME EXPONENTIALLY MORE FRAUDULENT, ARE WAY WORSE THAN THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ARE ABLE AND WILLING TO ADMIT OR ADDRESS ...

THE COMBINED MONEY/MURDER SYSTEMS HAVE DEVELOPED TO BECOME BASED UPON THE MAXIMUM POSSIBLE DECEITS AND FRAUDS. THERE IS ALMOST NOTHING BUT THE CENTRAL CORE OF TRIUMPHANT ORGANIZED CRIME, BANKSTER DOMINATED GOVERNMENTS, SURROUNDED BY LAYERS OF CONTROLLED OPPOSITION GROUPS.

ONE OF THE ESSENTIAL FEATURES OF THE EXISTING COMBINED MONEY/MURDER SYSTEMS ARE THAT THEIR CONTROLLED OPPOSITION GROUPS DELIBERATELY DO NOT ENGAGE IN ANY DEEPER ANALYSES REGARDING HOW AND WHY THAT IS THE CASE, AND MUST NECESSARILY BE THE CASE. THE ESTABLISHED SYSTEMS HAVE BEEN DOMINATED BY THE BEST AVAILABLE PROFESSIONAL HYPOCRITES, FOR GENERATION, AFTER GENERATION, SUCH THAT NOT ONLY ARE GOVERNMENTS NECESSARILY THE BIGGEST FORMS OF ORGANIZED CRIME, CONTROLLED BY THE BEST ORGANIZED GANGS OF CRIMINALS, BUT ALSO, THERE IS NO PUBLICLY SIGNIFICANT GENUINE OPPOSITION THAT PRESENTS ANY REALISTIC RESOLUTIONS OF THOSE REAL PROBLEMS, BECAUSE IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO STOP MONEY BEING MEASUREMENT BACKED BY MURDER.

GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ARE SO USED TO TAKING FOR GRANTED THE BULLSHIT THAT GOVERNMENTS ARE NOT THE BIGGEST FORMS OF ORGANIZED CRIME, THAT THEY ALSO TAKE FOR GRANTED PROPOSING AND PROMOTING BOGUS "SOLUTIONS" WHICH ARE BASED UPON DELIBERATELY IGNORING, AND/OR MISUNDERSTANDING, HOW AND WHY THOSE ARE THE ACTUAL SOCIAL FACTS.

Of course, I recognize that it is practically pointless for me to shout that out ... For the foreseeable future, it continues to be politically impossible for political processes to not continue being dominated by professional hypocrites, because of the degree to which almost everyone almost totally takes for granted thinking and communicating through the use of DUALITIES, false fundamental dichotomies, and the related impossible ideals. Indeed, while physical science has achieved prodigious progress by going through series of profound paradigm shifts, in order to be able to better understand things like electrical and atomic energy, and the resulting technologies, meanwhile, political science continues to be an oxymoron, because it deliberately refuses to go through sufficient series of intellectual scientific revolutions, and profound paradigm shifts in the perception of political problems.

There is nothing but the dynamic equilibria between different systems of more or less organized lies operating robberies. Over and over again, the biggest and best organized systems of lies and robberies, such as the symbolic robberies achieved by the public governments enforcing frauds by private banks, become excessively successful, and therefore, are able to create more and more unbalanced systems. The runaway successfulness of the biggest and best organized lies operating robberies is able to drive extreme disequilibria. Too many people become too brainwashed to believe in bullshit for them to be able to effectively resist that automatically continuing to get worse, faster ...

The USSR was made that way, the EU was made that way. Furthermore the USA was made that way too. Indeed, the deeper levels of the political problems that Neolithic Civilization has are all due to the history of successful warfare based upon being able to back up deceits with destruction, becoming financial successfulness based upon enforcing frauds. The EU, with the Euro currency, is merely another episode which is manifesting the ways in which successfully enforcing frauds drives exponentially increasing fraudulence.

Moreover, the relatively few that recognize those social facts mostly still continue to then propose and promote bogus "solutions" based upon somehow actualizing the same old-fashioned impossible ideals. The established systems are totally based upon their bullshit, while their degree of success in the past has made sure that there is no publicly significant opposition that is not controlled to stay within the same frame of reference of bullshit. 

Therefore, not only was the EU built on triumphant bullshit, there is no public significant opposition which is not similarly based upon bullshit, because of the degree to which the overwhelming vast majority of people have been very deeply brainwashed to believe in bullshit for generation after generation. I REPEAT AGAIN FOR EMPHASIS THAT MONEY IS MEASUREMENT BACKED BY MURDER. Therefore, to change the money systems must mean changing the murder systems. The European Union was already built on the basis of states with sovereign powers (which are the powers to rob and the power to kill, i.e., taxation and law enforcement), having those public powers more and more effectively privatized through the vicious spirals of political funding, resulting in the enforcement of frauds becoming exponentially more fraudulent.

The bigger the government, the bigger organized crime it necessarily is. The central controls are always the death controls. Hence, the murder systems back up the money systems, while the vast majority of people were brainwashed to believe in bullshit about that, for generation after generation. Hence, civilization was always dominated by the biggest  bullies' bullshit, which became the banksters' bullshit. It was within that context that it was possible to advance the European Union and its Euro currency. However, it is also within the context that there is NO publicly significant genuine opposition, but only various controlled opposition groups, due to the degree to which almost everyone almost totally takes for granted thinking and communicating through bullshit-based languages and all the related bullshit-based presumptions.

Generally speaking, the typical tragedies are that after enough people recognize that the established systems are based on bullshit, they tend to have only done that in superficial ways, and therefore, are susceptible to the next crop of professional hypocrites, who are then best able to persuade enough people to continue to believe in some slightly different brand of bullshit. The European Union may well be suffering from the ways in which excessively successful enforcement of frauds becomes exponentially more fraudulent, which are ways that become increasingly flabbergasting, and more unsustainable. (And so, Brexit referendum barely win.) HOWEVER, one can be quite confident that enough people are probably NOT going to go through enough intellectual scientific revolutions and profound paradigm shifts in the ways that they perceive those political problems. Thousands of years of Neolithic Civilization based upon being able to back up lies with violence has created a completely crazy and corrupt to the core kind of civilization. The USSR was one example of that, while the EU was another similar example. However, there are NO examples anywhere that actually exist which are not also basically the same.

AssN9's picture

I believe we will rebuild when Silver flows through the streets once again. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jjNgn4r6SOA

blindman's picture

yet, there is also a misspelling of the word "impediment".
someone should fix it.
did i get that right,
who can tell anymoar?

McCormick No. 9's picture

Doesn't the principal uphold the principles?

Or do the principles uphold the principal?

Win-win I guess!