"Not A White Problem"

Tyler Durden's picture

Submitted by Jim Quinn via The Burning Platform blog,

The statistics in the chart below are representative of every Democrat controlled urban shithole city in America. Obama and his anti-gun activist minions are peddling a false narrative about guns because they understand most Americans are dumber than a sack of hammers and easily manipulated by propaganda. Obama uses every high profile shooting to blame guns, in order to deflect people from seeing the truth. And the truth is guns are not a problem in white America.

It’s only a problem in the urban ghettos with the toughest gun laws run by Democrat mayors and city councils. Chicago is a perfect example of Obama ignoring the real problem. Fifty years of welfare programs and treating black people like victims has created a dysfunctional system leading to hopelessness, crime, and perpetual poverty. Chicago is 32% white, but they commit only 3.5% of the murders. Over 96% of the murders are committed by non-whites. Essentially, it is young black men murdering other black men. White people are not in the equation and are not part of the problem. It’s a black problem framed as a gun problem by Obama and his lying apparatchiks.

 

There are approximately 8,000 gun related homicides annually in the U.S. The vast majority occur in the urban ghettos and are committed by blacks and hispanics against other blacks and hispanics. They use illegally acquired guns, so more gun laws will do nothing. Their lawless culture, requiring no personal responsibility by those who father children, creates the dysfunction and crime. The urban ghetto kill zones all have the same thing in common – run by liberal Democrats for decades, with poverty created by their welfare policies, dreadful public schools, and a black population who don’t work and take no personal responsibility for their lives or their children.

Here are the murders by city for a sampling of these shitholes:

  • Los Angeles – 587
  • Chicago – 508
  • NYC – 333
  • Detroit – 316
  • Phila – 248
  • Baltimore – 233
  • New Orleans – 150
  • Indianapolis – 129
  • Memphis – 124
  • St. Louis – 120
  • Newark -112
  • Milwaukee – 104
  • Washington DC – 103

There are dozens of other shitholes like Camden, Kansas City, Atlanta, Oakland, Pittsburgh, and Miami with extremely high murder rates, and in every case more than 90% are committed by non-whites. Why don’t you hear Obama giving speeches about black communities policing themselves and taking responsibility for the crime, drugs and murder in their neighborhoods? He has no problem with proclamations about white people clinging to their guns in middle America where there are virtually no murders.

The entire gun narrative peddled by liberals is false. The crime rate has been falling for 25 years. There were 24,703 murders in 1991 when the population was 253 million. Murders in 2014 totaled 14,249 with a population of 317 million. The willfully ignorant American public completely buys the falsehoods presented by Obama and believes murders and crime are skyrocketing.

Today, the national crime rate is about half of what it was at its height in 1991. Violent crime has fallen by 51 percent since 1991, and property crime by 43 percent. In 2013 the violent crime rate was the lowest since 1970. And this holds true for unreported crimes as well. According to the National Crime Victimization Survey, since 1993 the rate of violent crime has declined from 79.8 to 23.2 victimizations per 1,000 people.

So, with homicides at a 25 year low and completely confined to the urban ghettos where young black men kill other young black men, we need new gun laws to restrict what white people can own? It makes you wonder. Why has the government militarized local police forces across the country in white communities when crime and murder is virtually non-existent in those communities? Why is Obama and his liberal nazi hordes trying to ban any gun capable of providing defense against a tyrannical government? Why has this become a war on whites when it is solely a black problem? It’s almost as if the government is treating working class whites with guns as the enemy. I wonder.

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localsavage's picture

We were done when we became unable to tell the public the truth without being called racist.

hedgeless_horseman's picture

"The principle of self-defense, even involving weapons and bloodshed, has never been condemned, even by Gandhi."

 

-Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Used as the opening quote to Chapter 24 of James Wesley Rawles book, Land of Promise.

 

I have coverd that Blacks are 13% of US population 37.6% of prisoners and 71% of shooters in Chicago

I have covered defending your life with a pistol.  

I have covered defending your property with a shotgun. 

Now, I cover defending your liberty with a rifle.

wisehiney's picture

J.W. Rawles is recommended reading for sure.

Timmay's picture

We have poor, disenfranchised and ANGRY people with some of the best military training to be killers. Even with semi-automatic rifles these ex-military are lethal against trained law enforcement.

 

 People, that is a REAL problem.

gatorengineer's picture

Bullshit.  Something smells very very wrong.  Ar15s aren't that deadly, in the hands of the untrained as Dallas Orlando and now Baton Rouge.  Ifor they were the US wouldn't have replaced the platform something else is afoot.  I suspect multiple shooters helping out.

skinwalker's picture

When did the militree change from the m16/m4 platform?

gatorengineer's picture

In 2009, the US went 7.62x51 with the FN SCAR-H.... There are still alot of 5.56 around, but they realize that it just didnt have the stopping power required.  it was never designed or intended to kill.  In fact how its blowring right through cop body armour is quite a mystery.

Overfed's picture

The body armor that police wear daily is designed to only stop pistol rounds. .223 will easily blow right through it.

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HRH of Aquitaine (not verified) Overfed Jul 17, 2016 11:30 PM

That is what the MSM is telling people like you. Is it true? No.

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Stainless Steel Rat (not verified) HRH of Aquitaine Jul 18, 2016 12:24 AM

If these assassinations of cops continue, cops will likely conspire to kill other cops.  They will likely get away with it too.  It may just be as seemingly innocent as assignment of duties.  One must look at these things in terms of so-called "game theory", or the long term effects of self-interest based cooperation.

Keyser's picture

It's official, BLM has been determined to be a mass-mental illness by the American Psychiatry Organization...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5TnUYHspYw

 

knightowl77's picture

any rifle round will blow through kevlar type ballistic vests

to stop rifle ammo, you need steel plates - thick steel or the very costly ceramic plates

LikeyMikey's picture

That is 100% not true.  There are too many factors such as load, distance the round was fired from and the type of round.  I have seen 7.62 rounds not go through Kevlar first hand but no way of knowing the distance it was shot from for sure.  Too many factors and too many people on this thread that do not know what they are talking about...

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HRH of Aquitaine (not verified) gatorengineer Jul 17, 2016 11:29 PM

It is a mystery for me as well. I don't think it was ammo from an AR that blew through that cops armour. I think those cops were hit with rounds from a 30.06 or a 30.08. It doesn't make any sense that AR ammo could penetrate body armour. The stuff is made to enter the body and travel, to tear up the body, and as you said, AR ammo wasn't intended to kill.

Government needs you to pay taxes's picture

There is some newer technology in the round itself that could contribute to greater body armor penetration.  Lehigh Defense is one small company that has developed a number of rounds, one of which is an 'Xtreme Penetrator'.  I do not believe this company markets this round for the 5.56, however.

Umh's picture

You really should quit guessing. A higher velocity smaller diameter round penetrates better.

Dorado's picture

Say what?  I happened to be deployed to Iraq in 2009 for a year and never once saw a SCAR.  Granted I wasn't hanging with CAG dudes but I did spend some time with SEALS and non-mil paramilitary in addition to regular 11B types.  LE wear Kevlar vests with a trauma plate that covers very little.  That's not body armor.  Do military have side plates?  No.  Do they have DAP protection?  No.  Ok, howabout ballistic helmets?  Nope.  So let's please stick to facts and not this uneducated speculation spun as fact.

 

However, also the 5.56 tends to tumble when it passes through someone so yeah...I wouldn't want to be shot by one.  To state that this rifle wasn't intended to kill people is...well...it is idiotic.

Vatican_cameo's picture

The .223 was intended more as a "Wound" weapon.  The battlefield strategy changed for Vietnam.  If you shot someone with a .30-06 and splatter them all over the field, you take one person out of the battle.  If you hit someone with a .223, it usually wounds them.  Then it takes two people to evacuate him.  This essentially takes 3 people out the battle instead of just one.  Strange concept but that's the way it was explained to me.  Also .223 is lighter and since the rounds are smaller, you can carry more ammunition.

Cold War Kid's picture

You got it backwards. The "wounding" tactic was developed by the vietnamese. AK's punch nice uniform holes through things. If a major organ or blood vessel isn't hit, you will propably make it. The 5.56 tumbles and rolls everywhere, increasing the likelyhood of doing damage to a major organ or blood vessel.

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HRH of Aquitaine (not verified) Vatican_cameo Jul 18, 2016 8:21 PM

That is what I said. That M16 ammo was meant to wound and that was the strategy in Vietnam.

You get upvoted and I get down voted for saying the exact same thing.

Okay fuckwads.

A82EBA's picture

plus 1000 thanks for shutting down this stupidity

11b40's picture

Amen.  Kills very effectively.  Blow out or bleed out, effect is the same.

goldsaver's picture

Ahhmmm.... No, the US still uses the M-4 (and some M-16s) as their primary weapon. SCARS are limited to some SF groups. You really shouldn't base your information on what your paint ball buddies tell you.

Dirtnapper's picture

Officer/Deputy/Trooper Joe Bagofdonuts is wearing Threat Level IIIA which is great against pistol and shotguns.  Does almost nothing with modern long arms.   Had a Lt test out one of our old IIIA vest (out of date, yes they do expire) and shot it with a 30.06.  It went through the tramau plate, through out front of the armor and then back out through the back section of the armor.

What is needed, and the dept will scream about all the money it's going to cost and the officers will hate it because it's uncomfortable, hot, and unflexable, is to trade out the TL IIIA vest for either TL III or TL IV vests.   And the Progressives will scream, it's time for the primary weapon switch from pistol to long arm.  Society has greatly changed since Adam 12 days, it's time to accept it and adjust to the new reality of just how freak'n dangerious it is out there for law enforcement and give them the tools to survive.

 

Government needs you to pay taxes's picture

Another round of up-gunning and up-armoring thugpigs is unlikely to de-escalate the conflict.  There will always be a bigger gun or more penetrating round that will blow thru the latest body armor.  Instead, every municipality should take a hard look at reducing the number of 'law enforcers'.   The more you entrench tyranny, the greater the resistance will grow.

NoPension's picture

Where I live ( Md's Eastern Shore) , there is little to no violent crime. There are drugs....whoopdegotdamndo..... and some burglary. Most dumbasses know they are more likely to get shot by a homeowner....than have to deal with a cop, if they fuck with property.

You could " police" this whole peninsula with 25 cops.

But goddamn...they are everywhere!! Sheriff Deputies, State Police, local cops, Toll Facilities Cops ( whose jurisdiction now seems to go everywhere), Truck Enforcement, Fuel Tax Enforcement, DNR...and I'm probably forgetting a few.

Every morning, drive to work....at least 3 or 4 cars pulled over, lights flashing. The district court does a bang up business with speeding tickets and driving violations. With all the bars, drunks don't even seem to be a problem. More often than not, it's a 17 yo girl, texting while going 75 in a late model Honda.

I have ZERO concern about being robbed, burglared, my wife raped or assaulted, or and number of other crimes.

But every morning....I have to remind myself....to not do anything that will get the attention of these cocksuckers prowling the highways and byways. Ck my lights, seatbelts, cellphone....speed...be on guard! It's like a feeding frenzy for these sharks. And the fact people drive through going to the beach, makes it worse. They are excited to get away, want to get to their vacation, and these fucking cops make sure to ruin that.

It got cop family and know cops. They are ASSHOLES, each one, who consider themselves superior and above the law. This latest crap is blowback, and they earned it. If I know of a crime, and don't report it...or cover it up...am I a criminal?? Cops do it every day.

NumNutt's picture

I think I live near the same area you do, because I see the same thing, and agree a lot with what you are saying. The only point I would add is, the cop on the street is only out there enforcing the laws that are put in place by TPTB. The bigger problem I see is blow back of TPTB using the laws and cops as a means of generating revenue. The cops have now become armed tax collectors, and this affects the people on the lower end of the economic spectrum the most.

Transformer's picture

I suppose garbage collectors should wear the vests too?  Their profession is more dangerous than policing.  Most dangerous profession?  Farmer.

Tactical Joke's picture

Bill shit. The M4 is still the primary weapon in use. The SCAR or any variant is in very limited use. The 5.56x45mm round fragments at the cannelure when traveling at more than 2700fps and is devastating news.

For an engineer, you suck at facts.

Regarding body armor, soft armor won't stop much, and certainly not M193 or M855. Hell, sufficiently fast 5.56 can cut through AR500 steel used in some armors. To stop high velocity round and AP rounds, you want ceramic plates. Most cops don't wear rifle plates.

The armalite pattern rifle is dead simple for people to shoot accurately. I can take an untrained shooter and have them ringing man size steel plates at 100m in less than an hour with iron sites. Less than five mins with a reflex site. Military training outside of a select few units is crap, and ambushing a few cops doesn't require "operator" skills.

Obama will continue to use his sons' behavior in an attempt to disarm the US.

j0nx's picture

Engineer my ass. If he were an engineer he wouldn't have asked how rifle rounds were penetrating police 'body armor'. Police do not wear body armor. They wear Kevlar vests and Kevlar vests are rated to stop pistol calibers up to 44 magnum. I also do not see police being able to do their daily jobs with 16 pounds of level III or IV plates strapped to their torso which will stop rifle rounds. If it's gotten so bad that they need to do that then we are looking at martial law.

Bernardo Gui's picture

The SCAR is 5.56.  And the Army and Marines (except for a few SF) use the M-4.  Law enforcement soft body armor will not stop a 5.56.  Tactical body armor used by SWAT teams employ a steel blast plate, but the vest is prohibitavely heavy and uncomfortable to be worn by a patrolman.  Military body armor is primarily intended to defend against shrapnel.  The M855 penetrator round (5,56 green tip) is a light armor piercing round that will dispose of soft body armor and go right through a car door.  However, the M855 does not become unstable in flight due to the steel rod (penetrator) in the core.  The weight in the core stabilizes the round in flight.  The penetrator was a NATO prerequisite because the standard 55 grain (M193) 5.56 round does tumble and spall, causing grievous wounds, which European nations considered a violation of the Geneva Convention prohibiting ammunition that cause excessive suffering (ever wonder why the military doesn't use hollow point rounds, even in pistol ammo?).  Anyone who has ever served in the infantry knows full well how much weight ammo adds to your field load, and 7.62 is much heavier than 5.56 (although it all feels heavy on a long patrol). 

True Blue's picture

and 7.62 is much heavier than 5.56

That is why the military switched from the 7.62X39 NATO round. Studies by the Army (post Vietnam) showed that troops fired in excess of 2000 rounds for every enemy casualty. So, the military switched to lighter ammunition to allow a greater loadout under the theory that more bullets flying = greater chance of random hits.

LikeyMikey's picture

Ummmm  I just retired last year and ummm that is just not true!

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HRH of Aquitaine (not verified) gatorengineer Jul 17, 2016 11:01 PM

I agree. An AR15 is pretty weak and is made small on purpose. What purpose? That ammo is meant to enter a body at one point and travel and exit at another. It isn't being hit that makes the AR deadly it is the design of the bullet to enter the body and travel and that causes internal damage that is difficult to fix on a battlefield. Good for incapacitating enemies.

I saw a short clip today on the news that showed two guys running. It was video from a cell phone. That video clip wasn't discussed or analyzed but it does support the idea that there was more than one person.

I think that those other people had an old standby, a 30.06 or 30.08. That would easily go through the vest issued to the police.

I find it hard to believe that one person killed three cops and injured three others with no advantage other than surprise. This was flat land with no elevation. There had to be other people involved. Funny how the MSM has dropped the idea that there are other people out there, loose.

Vatican_cameo's picture

A .223 (5.56) will zip right through soft body armor.  Don't confuse soft body armor with Military Vests that have SAPI plates.  The thicker SAPI plates will stop .223 and also 7.62 (if not a direct shot).  Soft body armor is fine for pistol rounds, but rifles are an entirely different animal.  The .223 is a 55 grain bullet traveling at 3300 FPS and can punch a hole much easier than a 9mm traveling at just over 1200 FPS.  The old "Standby" is .30-06 (7.62x63) or .308 (7.62x51).  These calibers are considered "Battle Rifle" calibers and pretty much destroy anything they hit (as far as personnel are concerned).  The .223 is considered an "Assault Caliber".

MrPalladium's picture

Actually the FMJ 7.62 NATO (308 Winchester) will penetrate the side armor (1.75 inch aluminum alloy) of an APC if fired from the old M-14 at close range.

A FMJ 5.56 will penetrate most types of body armor easily except the new military type vests. The M-16 rifle (5.56) was originally developed to be able to stop human wave assaults be Asian armies, hence the lighter rounds, full auto fire and magazines holding more rounds.

Way back in the day I qualified in basic training with the M-14 firing the 7.62 NATO. But in AIT and OCS at Benning School for Boys it was with M-16s.

Now that surface vessels and massed armies of tens of thousands of men are obsolete, soldiers on patrol are often expected to act as snipers reachiing out 500 and 600 yards. At those ranges I would want the 7.62 NATO.

Bernardo Gui's picture

Or the .338 Lapua or .50 BMG, if you are a sniper carrying a Barrett.   Big medicine!

Dancing Disraeli's picture

Disenfranchised?  They lost their right to vote?

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HRH of Aquitaine (not verified) Timmay Jul 17, 2016 11:15 PM

Just because someone went through basic training and qualified on an AR doesn't make them anything but minimally qualified. Believe me there is a reason that DIs give empty weapons to recruits. The only time most military people actually have live ammo is when they qualify on a live-fire range which used to be required twice a year. In the US the only people on any military base that actually have ammo in their guns on a daily basis are the MPs. Which is why those people at Ft. Hood were easy to take out. Sitting ducks. Heck I would be surprised if the gate guards actually had live fucking ammo these days. Maybe if it is a nuke site but for a regular base? Nope.

I grew up shooting and reloading and was never as afraid for my life as when I had to be on a military firing range for the live-fire excercise with a bunch of stupid city kids that didn't know jack shit. They were fucking clueless.

I remember the MSM saying the same thing about the first terrorist attack in Paris. "Oh they must be well trained." Bull-fucking shit. Those thugs just got lucky and were ruthless. Most people are clueless. Shooting takes time and practice and money. Stupid wanna-be terrorists and thugs don't have the patience, inclination, or money to actually become skilled marksmen, which is good news.

There was a great video I saw recently that showed these ISIS fighters scrambling in a fire fight, yelling at each other, trying to find ammo. Complete dipshits that were helpless, untrained, slovenly. Watching them try and find the ammo was a riot. Can't remember where I saw that video. Probably on IWs or Vice. Or here.

Dorado's picture

Qualified as opposed to who?  Law enforcement?  Bullshit.  The military is full of people that have basic proficiency (slightly above that of the average Joe on the street) however it is so full of people who take very seriously knocking down targets.  I'd take an 11B in a rifle battle over a LEO.  So you are claiming that the reason the Muslim who killed many soldiers are Ft Hood was able to do so was because of the crap training of the military?  Or could it have to do with the fact that one party was armed (Muslim) and the others were not?

sun tzu's picture

Amazing these clueless fucks on ZH are pathtetic. First, a NATO 5.56 cannot kill people, a cop's bulletproof vest is supposed to stop rifle rounds, and now the average street cop is supposed to be a sharpshooter? There was a story a couple of years ago where NYPD cops fired about 100 rounds and missed the suspect fron 10 yds. They did manage to hit two bystanders. Outside of SWAT, the average cop can't hit a barn. These idiots have been watching too many Dirty Harry movies.

Tactical Joke's picture

And yet they speak as though they are authorities on the subject.

OverTheHedge's picture

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/armytrng/a/sniperschool.htm

According to figures released by the Department of Defense, the average number of rounds expended in Vietnam to kill one enemy solder with the M-16 was 50,000. The average number of rounds expended by U.S. military snipers to kill one enemy soldier was 1.3 rounds. That's a cost-difference of $23,000 per kill for the average soldier, vs. $0.17 per kill for the military sniper.According to the U.S. Army, the average soldier will hit a man-sized target 10 percent of the time at 300 meters using the M16A2 rifle.Graduates of the U.S. Army sniper school are expected to achieve 90 percent first-round hits at 600 meters, using the M24 Sniper Weapon System (SWS).

I reckon the first shot is free, possibly the second,but after that?

How well trained were these specialist snipers?

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HRH of Aquitaine (not verified) Dorado Jul 18, 2016 8:16 PM

11B makes up what percentage of the military? Less than 10%. Which means that 90% of the military receives initial training and then only has to qualify once or twice a year. Qualifying is a minimum standard and not that difficult.

COSMOS's picture

You must have been watching Abu Hazar roll on the ground after his attack and firefight went wrong hahaha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM3ElTvF52I
Everyday he's hustling...

MrPalladium's picture

The really scary thing was the live fire 45 pistol range at Benning School For Boys. Range 7 yards and the OCs are landing rounds in the dirt in front of the target and missing the human size silouete target entirely. Only about half could hit the target regularly and only 20% could group around center of mass. But who knows. Perhaps that was sufficient for halting "unexplained movement to the rear" /sarc.

sun tzu's picture

Are you a fucking moron? That kid at Va Tech was anle to kill dozens unless you think the CIA was behind that too

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HRH of Aquitaine (not verified) sun tzu Jul 18, 2016 8:29 PM

In a combat or battlefield situation, yes.

Shooting civilians in a classroom is not a combat or battlefield situation. Idiot.

MalteseFalcon's picture

"It’s a black problem framed as a gun problem by Obama and his lying apparatchiks."

This is only one of Obama's many lies.

At this point only Obama and his apparatchiks live in his idiot matrix.

We are all awake.

OK, Jeb Bush and the RINO establishment is still in the matrix.

And this is why Obama has not been removed.