The Oddly "Inconsistent" Event That Has Turkey Wondering If The Entire Coup Was Staged

Tyler Durden's picture

The question marks around the failed Turkish "coup" continue to pile up.

Several days ago we reported that in one of the most glaring inconsistencies surrounding the failed military attempt to overthrow the Turkish president, at the height of the attempt to overthrow Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan, the rebel pilots of two F-16 fighter jets had Erdogan's plane in their sights. And yet he was able to fly on.

"At least two F-16s harassed Erdogan's plane while it was in the air and en route to Istanbul. They locked their radars on his plane and on two other F-16s protecting him," a former military officer with knowledge of the events told Reuters. "Why they didn't fire is a mystery," he said.

Now a new mystery that just "does not add up", has emerged.

According to the government's official narrative, rushed together in the days after the coup, there was an attack on Saturday morning by helicopter-borne commandos against a resort hotel in Marmaris. President Recep Tayyip Erdogan was meant to be staying there. But the attack took place nearly an hour after every news channel in Turkey beamed images of Mr Erdogan addressing the nation from the airport in Istanbul, some 750km away.


As even the FT skeptically reports, "that episode is one of many inconsistencies and strange occurrences in a coup whose amateurish — almost kamikaze — nature preordained its failure and is now providing rich fodder for conspiracy theories. That Turkey is so polarised — roughly split between those who love and hate Mr Erdogan — has only added to the froth."

As a result of the gaping holes in the story, even the central issue of who was behind the coup is now contested reality. According to a snap poll a third of Turks believe Erdogan himself, who says his own life was threatened, was behind the coup. (The poll, by London-based Streetbees, queried about 2,800 Turks, two-thirds via mobile apps, and a third in person.)

However, that helicopter raid, along with reports that Mr Erdogan’s plane was pursued by two fighter jets that never opened fire, some argue, is evidence that his life was never in any real danger.

To be sure, voices have quickly emerged slamming any such allegations as "preposterous" conspiracy theories. "Turks, like a lot of people around the world are given to conspiracy theories — simplistic explanations for complex events for things they don’t fully understand,” said Ross Wilson, a former US ambassador to Ankara now at the Atlantic Council. “Did Erdogan secretly engineer this, which is preposterous, or did the United States engineer this, which is equally preposterous?"

However for the locals, who have extensive experience with "conspiracy theories" that end up becoming conspiracy fact, especially when it comes to the government, things are not quite so clear cut. Those seeking holes in the government’s version of events about the coup are particularly focused on an offhand comment made by Mr Erdogan on Saturday, where he called the coup “a gift from god to fully cleanse the army.”

And, as we have repeatedly reported, the zeal with which his government has since seized upon their opponents, firing or detaining as many as 20,000 people within two days, has raised questions as to whether the failed coup has simply provided him with the opportunity to pursue longstanding aims.

Of course, Turkish officials furiously reject that notion. They say that the lists of those arrested were a long time in the making, the result of investigations that mapped their networks, but failed to detect the coup itself.

In an highly amusing quip, Ibrahim Kalin, the president’s spokesman said that “it’s funny that people still talk about this. Those who accuse us [in Turkey] of conspiracy theories are now presenting this nonsensical stuff as political analysis and commentary. If this was not a coup, what is a coup?” Well, a coup - for starters - is one where there is no military raid on a presidential vacation spot hours after he has left it. 

But his punchline was most damning: “It’s comparable to the claim that 9/11 was orchestrated by the US." So once it is confirmed, one way or another, that Erdogan directly or indirectly blessed the coup, will that mean that 9/11 was orchestrated by the US... with Saudi Arabia's kind help?

Meanwhile, skepticism continues to grow: Both online, and in personal interviews, Turks who believe Mr Erdogan staged the coup himself say that its failure is proof enough — the military in this country knows how to topple a government, having done so several times before.

“Why people believe this conspiracy is that it has more to do with the blueprint to the coup,” said Sinan Ulgen, a former Turkish diplomat and chairman of Istanbul’s Centre for Economics and Foreign Policy Studies, “People in this country remember past coups. They already have a frame of reference of what a coup should look like, and this didn’t fit.”

What does fit, however, is Erdogan's response to the coup, real or faked: the authoritarian president is on his way to cementing all power in the country while eliminating all political, miltary, educational and press opposition.

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Squid Viscous's picture

duh...ya think?

fyi Erdogan from a long line of Crypto Jews

"Donme"

 

samjam7's picture

Why is the western MSM pushing this 'Erdogan faked his coup' narrative? Well to distract from any US involvement and its abject failure, or do you think they want us to know this is why it failed? They had plenty of reasons to topple Erdogan and replace him with Davutoglu i.e or someone more docile. So who is this military official that Reuters is quoting, who is familiar with the matter regarding the F-16 jets that apparently locked Erdogan in?

Let's face it the only agency reporting this is Reuters and we know who's behind that story. Also that night the information was spread that Erdogan had applied for Asylum in Germany, which was rejected by Germany, who published this info that went viral for a moment? Why is the western media now mute about this, considering it is quite something that Germany rejected Erdogan in the moment of need?

Also regarding the attack on the Hotel in the Marmaris there are conflicting reports it happened either right after Erdogan left or later. 

Manthong's picture

What a crock..

Next thing you know some conspiracy nut cases will be claiming 911 was staged by the government, too.

..or that anthropomorphic global warming will evaporate the oceans and incinerate the planet within the next few years and that we are all doomed like baby seals being clubbed by hosers using hockey sticks.

santafe's picture

EVERYONE IS ignoring THE biggest CLUE:

The NICE attack took place at the same time as the attempted Coup in Turkey. COINCIDENCE doesn't exist in politics.

Warning to Erdogan: http://bit.ly/1SpGAhB

Stainless Steel Rat's picture

They were at least a day apart, stick to spamming.  The biggest clue was that everyone in the square had identical flags handy.

HowdyDoody's picture

An interesting video from December 2015 with Sibel Edmonds on the Corbett Report.

"Sibel Edmonds joins James Corbett once again to discuss the recent events in Turkey. From oil smuggling to ISIS funding to the Russian shoot down, both the MSM and the alt media have "suddenly seen the light" on corruption in Turkey...but why now? And what does this bode for the ongoing CIA/Gulen destabilisation campaign in the country."

"It is basically time for him to go, but the biggest problem is his popularity"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4QHsRuEE88

Erdogan is being set up for the fall. The recent coup is part of that.

 

 

Herd Redirection Committee's picture

Erdogan has been a pawn of the West and Israel.  But he has attempted to retain some of his independence.  Now that he is fairly secure in his position, he wants to 'flex his muscle'.  Do things that will keep him popular, and keep him in power.  Like most people would do, once safe in an ivory tower.

So you can see how in some ways he is 'a good guy' for wanting to do the right things, like befriend Russia, and in other ways he is a tool of the Elite (ISIS oil smuggling and God knows what other support he has provided them).

But it is good to see people come around to the fact that Erdogan is either Donmeh (CryptoJew) or has been serving their interests.  Just like... The House of Saud!

Something I have been repeating here on ZH for some time!

peddling-fiction's picture

Erdogan might be cleaning out the beehive of its secretive members in Turkey.

Judges, University Deans and higher Military Officers are typical members of secretive beehives.

peddling-fiction's picture

Interesting initial thoughts:

http://thesaker.is/failed-coup-in-turkey-a-few-initial-thoughts/

Take a look at the comments as well.

Here is another article of Erdogan talking about good relations with Iran and Russia (yesterday).

http://tass.ru/en/world/889162

Raymond K Hessel's picture

Look down and skim the comments quickly below...

 

It's the text version of 60 guys jerking off in a circle to the same nude pic!

jonjon831983's picture

Not looking at you're mysterious link, but you should also add the 9/11 28 page release to the timeframe.

 

Nice

9/11 pages

Turkey

Grumbleduke's picture

and at the same time there was a meeting in Moscow with Kerry, Biden and the harbinger of death, Victoria Kagan Nudelman.

That's a strange coincidence...

beemasters's picture

It's either the coup was staged by Erdogan or it had been leaked to him that it was going to happen. Understanding the MSM is peddling the former, it means the latter is more likely the true scenario. :)

Someone has posted this Corberttreport interview before that's worth listening to:

Behind the CIA's Failed Coup in Turkey: Was It Only a Dry Run?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxpuotIMlY0

It's suggested that this coup was intended only to test the reaction of the Turkish population. The next one will be the real one???

Raymond K Hessel's picture

Jesus fucking Christ!! 

 

What the high holy fuck is up with that ugly chick's face up against the camera like that?!

Squid Viscous's picture

he was eating gyros on a beach then hopped his private jet back to Constantinople, what kind of a coup is that, you dipshit.

he should have been disappeared before it even started

and what up with the downvotes above, anyone care to debate?

joogle it, ziotards

samjam7's picture

You butthurt you get downvotes? 

Well that is what you call being 'tipped off' about it and being prepared. I guess that idea is too much to process. 

Squid Viscous's picture

english please, next time, thanks in advance

so he was "tipped off" by who?

please advance your theory...it's going somewhere i assume?

 

samjam7's picture

You may just look elsewhere for it in this thread, but I doubt you actually care enough to look for it. 

Squid Viscous's picture

ok, definitely a failed US coup attempt, got it, will file it away with all those others...?

sorry for questioning your sources and judgement!

lol

peddling-fiction's picture

Some interesting initial thoughts on the failed coup:

http://thesaker.is/failed-coup-in-turkey-a-few-initial-thoughts/

Take a look at the comments as well.

DetectiveStern's picture

I think the biggest tip off was when he arranged it.

SoDamnMad's picture

Having had a nice vacation in Marmaris two years ago, the beaches are fair at best, it is a long and windy road (blasted out of the rock in parts) back to the airport (about 1 1/2 hr trip). A couple of guys on the winding road up out of town and then all along the back side of the mountain could easily have taken him out.  He didn't just hop on his plane, my friend.

wildbad's picture

i am giving ever more credence to the gulin / CIA test coup possibility.  gladio B gulin is totally in line with his CIA chieftans and is an even more sinister figure than the peach erdogan.

 

erdogan has been USING NATO and his status in it to further his own ends and is considered to be too far off the reservation to be a good NWO stooge.

 

he will be denounced, then villified then ostracized then named an evildoer THEN coup d etat ed.  this was a "flyover" to guage the turks fealty and readiness to fight.

 

They are a ballsy people.  Anyone who sees them attacking tanks with bare hands and no weapons should look twice.  That there was clear disinformation in the very first part of the coup in all of the social networks points to a CIA psyop IMO.

 

Can't wait to see what Wikileaks has to say on the subject

samjam7's picture

Agreed wildband, I don't kno why ZH is pushing the 'Erdogan did it himself' narrative so badly, considering it is what western MSM is also doing.

Anyways, now that the coup failed and Erdogan dares to meet with Putin next month CIA and ZATO will move into overdrive to both villify Erdogan as a ruthless Islamic totalitarian autocrat, which apparently he just morphed into overnight, before he was just a 'stern democrat' to protecting his people from the terrorist PKK. 

Then all sorts of bombings and color revolutions by liberals will follow...Erdogan had better prepare for it. Oh yeah and watch the economic front also, the Lira is already being punished by those that control the markets.

Last but not least, why would Wikileaks publish these mails right now, if not for an ulterior motive?

magnetosphere's picture

i think it's because the bulgarian author of zh doesn't like turks.

dont know much about wikileaks, but from their current behavior, it seems they are cia run.

HowdyDoody's picture

An explanation from December 2015 - Erdogan is being setup for the chop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4QHsRuEE88

The US intends to replace Erdogan with someone (Gulen?) who will be totally subservient to US wishes.

Herd Redirection Committee's picture

This has been going on since medieval times.  You have someone in your pocket, sure, but you need ways to keep them there.  One is the carrot, one is the stick.

But what is the stick?  Well, the threat that you can have the guy killed/replaced without any negative repercussions.

In medieval times, they would keep 'pretenders to the throne' in the court.  So Rome would keep a Byzantine pretender (the Byzantines kept Ottoman pretenders, as well), in their court.  Or the English would keep a French heir to the throne in their court. 

gatorengineer's picture

So you think this was in affect Bay of Piigs 2.0?  The CIA tried to get the ball rolling but failed?

magnetosphere's picture

this is a lot more important than the bay of pigs.  turkey russia and iran will end the syrian war within months.  europe will collapse without the gas pipeline, along with the petro $

Herd Redirection Committee's picture

Could be the CIA lobbed up a softball coup, even told Erdogan they were planning it, told him 'this is what we are planning, so you can thwart it', but what Erdogan didn't forsee is that HE would take the blame for the coup!

rejected's picture

I'm not entirely sure that attacking a tank bare handed with no weapons is.... ballsy.

Librarian's picture

I am still ambivalent about the credibility of Wikileaks.

Was it really necessary for WL to upload thousands of infected MS-Word macros?

There are a lot of technological idiots who are now connecting to the Wikileaks site and a fair portion of them will undoubtedly click on these infected macro files.

If any useful information is to be found it would be found in WhatsApp chatlogs of the coup participants.

It appears that this is what most of the coup participants were using.

I know anecdotally that most Russians prefer WhatsApp to avoid sms charges.  Perhaps it's a European Thing, like ICQ, which is almost unknown here in the US.

I would think that SOMEONE has a full archive of the WhatsApp chatlogs in question.  Probably the NSA. Probably also Russia and China.  Erodogan is likely still piecing everything together. 

Another piece of strong circumstantial evidence that this was Western-backed is that one of the mouthpiece Journo Stooges accidentally bolted the starting gate and posted a comment stating that Erdogan was asking for asylum from Germany.  The source of this disinfo was immediately traced back to MSNBC news producer Kyle Griffin.  You gotta love how quickly the public can recognize and call BS now.  Back in my day this required special prosecutors, senate subcommittees and REAL journalists.

Here's a YT video showing how Griffin was able to so quickly and so broadly ignite this disinfo story based only on his now-shot journalistic credibility.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=999sJ6JRcFI&feature=youtu.be

Of course and predictably, Kyle Griffin deep sixed his phony Erdogan-seeks-asylum tweet once things turned sour.  Griffin is now is blocking EVERYONE who asks him why he even instigated a comment of such dubious veracity that even a first-year journalism student would have hesitated to poke at it with a shit-covered stick.

Here's the twitter feed of our MSNBC Journo-Stooge

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1

 

small towel's picture

Also, Why did MSNBC originate false stories of Erdogan fleeing and seeking asylum in Germany?

So the Turkish people wouldn't take to the streets.

PSY-OP gone wrong, smoking gun.

Gulen's network is vast. So is the purge.

ZH is being rather one-sided on this I feel.

HowdyDoody's picture

When ZH pushes uncorroborated statements ultimately originating from anonymous US insiders, questions must be asked.

Omen IV's picture

March 29, 2016 - Stars & Stripes

Families are expected to begin leaving Turkey on Wednesday, stopping first at Ramstein Air Base in Germany, before continuing on to the States or other duty locations, U.S. European Command told Stars and Stripes.

“We understand this is disruptive to our military families, but we must keep them safe and ensure the combat effectiveness of our forces to support our strong ally Turkey in the fight against terrorism,” EUCOM chief Gen. Philip Breedlove said Tuesday in a statement.

The mandatory departure order, announced by the State Department, affects nearly all Defense Department dependents assigned to Incirlik, as well as those at smaller bases in Izmir and Mugla. The families of U.S. diplomats in the same areas also are ordered to depart.

On Monday Israel issued a new travel advisory for Turkey, warning Israeli citizens to leave the country as soon as possible and avoid any traveling there.

About 670 dependents are expected to be evacuated, along with 287 pets. About 770 dependents, most from Incirlik, are currently in Turkey, EUCOM spokeswoman Julie Weckerlein said.

peddling-fiction's picture

+1 Omen

The base is still without electricity, and that affects primarily the dependents, if there are any left.

Maybe it also affects the base and they probably do not have the same level of power available that they are used to. How long will the diesel last?

Your news however confirms that the Turkey/US relationship was probably souring in March 2016.

http://turkey.usembassy.gov/sm-071616.html

http://www.stripes.com/news/europe/hundreds-of-military-dependents-order...

If the Russian Su-24 shootdown was not authorized by Erdogan, and probably sought after the U.S., it could help explain lots of things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Russian_Sukhoi_Su-24_shootdown

sun tzu's picture

By the next day, the Turks were able to identify 2750 judges and prosecutors involved in the coup. 

Chris Dakota's picture

msnbc journalist Kyle Griffin started the Germany story.

I told you before Twitter is a CIA front company.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLKUurnUoKg
NoDebt's picture

This whole "coup" should have been covered exclusively by Brian Williams for all the believability of it.

pods's picture

It was Brian Wiliams and Banana Girl at the state dept that forged the fake coup plan to begin with.

pods

tarsubil's picture

I think it was Erdogan but the fact that it was so poorly conducted lends some support to the idea it was the retarded cocksuckers at the CIA.

sun tzu's picture

Maybe the CIA was involved in the fake coup. That explains the faked outrage at the US

Kirk2NCC1701's picture

This is nothing new, and is part if human nature. It's part of the Evolution of all living things.

Whenever a sect it religion is faced with extinction, it morphs into something else. It re-invents itself, just as successful people or companies do: they adapt, overcome, survive and even thrive afterwards.

SMG's picture

There's no question he was behind it.   If you ever want to know what's going on simply ask: "Who Benefits?", and Erdogan has benefitted greatly.

froze25's picture

I am not so sure about that, after all some people are lucky, some people are great at making lemonade from lemons. I do think it was staged by himself in this instance though.

sun tzu's picture

When was the last time there was a military coup and they didn't arrest or kill the president or dictator?

Radical Marijuana's picture

I agree, SMG.

Similarly, when it comes to asking the superficial question raised in the article above:

"will that mean that 9/11 was orchestrated by the US... with Saudi Arabia's kind help?"

My research into 9/11 has indicated to me that those events were an inside job, false flag attack, staged by Zionists, in order to blame on Muslims, which were designed by the globalized ruling classes to start their War on Terror, as vicious spirals, operating as self-fulfilling prophesies, while the various kinds of blowback would enable more and more genocidal wars, as well as to prepare to impose democidal martial law.

When one takes enough time to attempt to examine the details regarding who were the insiders that were most necessary in order to enable the events on 9/11/2001 to happen, as well as who was most instrumental in the subsequent cover-up (which included the summary destruction of the forensic evidence at the crime scenes, as well as the deliberate obstruction of proper investigations and legal inquiries), as well as who promoted the ridiculously absurd official story regarding what was supposed to have happened, one will also discover that avowed Zionists held key positions, as well as that dual American-Israeli citizens were often in those positions.

Recall that the term "deep state" was originally developed to describe politics in Turkey. Furthermore, the description of Byzantine politics also included Turkey.

"Throughout its existence, the Byzantine Empire had a reputation both for  decadence and for intricate intrigues and powerplays. Even today, the term “byzantine politics” is used to mean overly complicated and involved power structures, where a large number of shifting alliances must be respected, and the penalty for failure can be severe."

There is nothing new about civilization being controlled through applications of the principles and methods of organized crime. The only things that are new are due to the exponential progress in physical science enabling technologies to be developed in order to be able to back up lies with violence on astronomically amplified scales. Warfare was always organized crime, which has become magnified by many orders of magnitude ...

The globalized ruling classes are those who were selected through history to become the best organized gangs of criminals, which therefore were able to become the most powerful people. False flag events were quite common during the history of warfare. Indeed, the oldest book about war starts by saying that "success in war is based on deceits," and ends by saying that "spies are the most important soldiers."

Anyone who considers any significant political events should start by presuming that there were conspiracies, as well as possibly conspiracies within those conspiracies, which operate through almost infinite tunnels of deceits and treacheries. Indeed, civilization has become based upon the maximum possible dishonesties which are humanly possible to maintain.

In that context, I do NOT LIKE superficial labels, like "Jews." The actual political situations are almost always way more hyper-complicated than any such over-simplistic labels. Certainly, not all "Zionists" are "Jews," while not all "Jews" are "Zionists." Indeed, even the so-called "Jewishness" of the so-called "Zionists" is wrapped up in layer after layer of the history of triumphant deceptions, including self-deceptions.

But nevertheless, since all human societies actually operate according to the principles and methods of organized crime, the only thing one has to do is to look at how big is any church, country, or corporation, etc., in order to judge the degree to which it was successful through operating systems of organized lies and robberies. Quite simply, the biggest churches, countries, or corporations, etc., are so because they were controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals.

That is the context inside of which one should reconsider the passage in the article above:

But his punchline was most damning: “It’s comparable to the claim that 9/11 was orchestrated by the US." So once it is confirmed, one way or another, that Erdogan directly or indirectly blessed the coup, will that mean that 9/11 was orchestrated by the US... with Saudi Arabia's kind help?

There is only ONE energy, and therefore, only ONE political system. Civilization necessarily operates according to the principles and methods of organized crime, and those who become the most wealthy and powerful people were able to do that by adapting to operate inside of those actually existing kinds of systems.

In that context, it tends to be quite misleading to refer to the "government of the USA," or to "Washington," when that is actually an expression of deep state shadow governments.

America Is Being Divided And Conquered Into Oblivion | Zero Hedge

 

SMG's picture

Yes 9/11 was a false flag op too as this likely was. However the ones behind it are Luciferian Globalists who want to bring in a global police state government ala 1984/Brave New World. 

It's not the Jews behind these things because the Globalists plan is to destroy all the other religions.   Judiasm included.  Don't believe me?  Look up girl in coffin from the Luciferian Denver Airport murals.  She is holding a cross and a star of David.