Having entertained America for the past three days, overnight Donald Trump's rhetoric crossed the Atlantic and as the FT puts it, "has sparked a wave of alarm across Europe" as well as calls for solidarity from the head of NATO after warning that the US might not come to the defense of an alliance ally under attack from Russia if that country had not fulfilled its obligations to America.
The Trump statement in question that has provoked dread across Europe's NATO member states, came from the following NYT interview, excerpted below, in which the presidential candidate was asked whether he would defend the Baltic states in the face of Russian aggression if he were president. “If they fulfil their obligations to us, the answer is yes,” Mr Trump said.
SANGER: I was just in the Baltic States. They are very concerned obviously about this new Russian activism, they are seeing submarines off their coasts, they are seeing airplanes they haven’t seen since the Cold War coming, bombers doing test runs. If Russia came over the border into Estonia or Latvia, Lithuania, places that Americans don’t think about all that often, would you come to their immediate military aid?
TRUMP: I don’t want to tell you what I’d do because I don’t want Putin to know what I’d do. I have a serious chance of becoming president and I’m not like Obama, that every time they send some troops into Iraq or anyplace else, he has a news conference to announce it.
SANGER: They are NATO members, and we are treaty-obligated ——
TRUMP: We have many NATO members that aren’t paying their bills.
SANGER: That’s true, but we are treaty-obligated under NATO, forget the bills part.
TRUMP: You can’t forget the bills. They have an obligation to make payments. Many NATO nations are not making payments, are not making what they’re supposed to make. That’s a big thing. You can’t say forget that.
SANGER: My point here is, Can the members of NATO, including the new members in the Baltics, count on the United States to come to their military aid if they were attacked by Russia? And count on us fulfilling our obligations ——
TRUMP: Have they fulfilled their obligations to us? If they fulfill their obligations to us, the answer is yes.
Trump's statement quickly drew condemnation by commentators for suggesting NATO is merely a "protection racket", provoked a just as concerned response from NATO secretary-general Jens Stoltenberg who said that while he did not wish to interfere with the US election campaign, "solidarity among allies is a key value for Nato." He added that “This is good for European security and good for US security. We defend one another. We have seen this in Afghanistan, where tens of thousands of European, Canadian and partner nation troops have stood shoulder-to-shoulder with US soldiers.”
“Two world wars have shown that peace in Europe is also important to the security of the United States,” Mr Stoltenberg added.
The Obama administration shot back just as quickly. “There should be no mistake or miscalculation made about this country’s commitment” to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, White House spokesman Josh Earnest said Thursday in response to Trump’s remarks in a New York Times interview. “The U.S. commitment to that pledge is ironclad.”
Retired U.S. Army General Wesley K. Clark, a former NATO supreme allied commander who sought the Democratic presidential nomination in 2004, criticized Trump for stopping short of fully guaranteeing the security of all alliance members. “When Mr. Trump says he’ll only consider action, he is joining a long list of failed statesmen and leaders from decades ago, whose hesitancy, wavering, and lack of resolve,” Clark said in a statement. “Mr. Trump may know something about buildings and real estate - but he has a lot to learn about how the world really works.”
Trump's stance on what a US-NATO relationship should look like is hardly new, as Trump has previously stated that he deems it unfair that the US shoulders a disproportionate amount of NATO's funding costs and has been urging to reduce US involvement in foreign affairs. Trump’s readiness to reject a decades-long commitment to defend allies deepens his criticism of NATO after he called it “obsolete” in April while campaigning for the nomination. The billionaire’s comments come less than two weeks after the NATO leaders agreed at their Warsaw summit to enhance deployment of forces in Poland, Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia as a deterrent following Russia’s 2014 annexation of Crimea from Ukraine.

Stoltenberg noted that European members of the alliance were increasing defence spending, contrary to Trump’s earlier criticism that other Nato countries were relying on the US. “For the first time in many years, defence spending among European allies and Canada rose last year. And this year we expect a further increase,” he said.
Others were just as defensive. In fact, in what will come as music to the ears of the US military-industrial complex, Dalia Grybauskaite, Lithuania’s president, told journalists that “Lithuania — as well as other Baltic states — is doing everything it can. We are modernizing our armed forces, we have reinstituted conscription and our defense spending will reach 2 per cent of GDP in 2018. I do not think interpretations of candidate Trump’s remarks are necessary. We know that the US will remain our most important partner.”
Other Baltic States chimed in: Toomas Hendrik Ilves, Estonia’s president, wrote on Twitter without reference to Mr Trump: “Estonia is [one] of five Nato allies in Europe to meet its 2 per cent defence expenditure commitment. Fought, with no caveats, in Nato’s sole Article 5 [operation in Afghanistan]”.
Trump’s remarks are “both dangerous and irresponsible,” Ojars Kalnins, who chairs the foreign affairs committee in Latvia’s parliament, said in an interview with Latvian radio Thursday. “This won’t be good for NATO unity or the security situation. In principle, he is saying the U.S. will not fulfill its promises or obligations.”
“If Trump doubts NATO solidarity in the case of Article 5, then his election is dangerous for Baltic security,” Artis Pabriks, a former Latvian foreign and defense minister who’s now a member of the European Parliament, said on Twitter.
While Trump had already sparked concern previously among many US allies, including the other members of Nato and countries such as Japan and South Korea, that he would adopt an isolationist stance that would dramatically affect a series of relationships that most experts argue have provided for security in Europe and Asia, his latest comments went further than his previous controversial remarks that he would consider reducing the US role in a military alliance that has formed the bedrock of the transatlantic security relationship for decades.
Speaking just days after Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan launched a crackdown on dissent following an attempted coup, Mr Trump also said in the interview that he would not interfere when countries did not uphold civil rights — a move that would signal a marked shift from the stance adopted by Republican and Democratic administrations.
Saying the US had to fix its own internal problems, including the fact that police officers have been killed in a recent spate of attacks, Mr Trump added: “I don’t think we have the right to lecture [other countries] . . . How are we going to lecture when people are shooting policemen in cold blood?”
At its core, the Nato tension is the result of fears that "Russia would invade the Baltics" and which supposedly justifies the recent dramatic expansion fof NATO forces in eastern Europe, culminating with the recent NATO summit which determined that Russia was the biggest threat to the region. Ironically, this happened just days after another scandal eruptd inside Nato after Germany's foreign minister suggested that the Russian response has been merely in retaliation to NATO provocations: "What we should avoid today is inflaming the situation by warmongering and stomping boots."
While it remains to be seen if Trump's foreign policy is just another "dramatic" episode, or if the Donald genuinely wishes to reincarnated a gentle version of the Monroe doctrine, we are confident that the US military industrial complex is following the story with great concern because if Trump were to be able to implement a "de-escalation" policy, the biggest losers would be US defense and military companies.
In an amusing twist, the Nato comments come on the heels of reports that the Trump campaign forced the Republican team developing the party platform for the convention to remove language supporting the provision of weapons to Ukraine to fight Russian forces. In a short speech on the sidelines of the convention, John Kasich, the Ohio governor who was one of the final two rivals to Mr Trump, said he was concerned at the reports.
Trump has been criticised in the past by Republican foreign policy experts for comments that suggested he admired Putin for being a strongman. In the interview, Trumps said that “Putin and I will get along very well,” and that he’d love a good relationship between the U.S. and Russia so that “instead of fighting each other we got along.” He also said he wouldn’t “lecture” NATO ally Turkey about purges of political adversaries or crackdowns on civil liberties after the attempted coup in that country, saying the U.S. had first to “fix our own mess.”
The FT stopped short of accusing Trump of being a Kremlin spy.





Media indignance and outrage in 3 .. 2 .. 1
FUCK NATO!!!
God I love this guy......
Does that mean we might be able to ... make stuff for our own use instead of the military?
Fucknell, that hasn't happened in 50 years...
Yep, that concept is so foreign to politicians that they're all gagging on it right now.....
Shouldn't Europe be able to pay its bills now that all the productive sand niggers have arrived? Soros tells us so!
Trump - The Big Red One
"If they fulfill their obligations to us, the answer is yes. Except Latvia. They can go cry in their sprats."
Foreign armies are employed in the final days of all civilizations.
Cut NATO funding to ZERO and put 2x that amount directly into the domestic US military.
Close down most of the foreign bases.
Begin intensive screening of all current and future US Military personnel. Get the enemies out of there NOW!
>> Retired U.S. Army General Wesley K. Clark, a former NATO supreme allied commander <<<
You mean the motherfucker who literally tried to start World War III under Clinton's watch by ordering troops to fire on the Russians??
Yeah fuck that monkeycocked shitbird.
"has sparked a wave of alarm across Europe"
In other words, European NATO members have NOT honored their part of the NATO agreement. F... em then.
Trump's right. America can't afford to carry Europe's water any longer.
The "wave of alarm" is that they may now have to pay for their own damned defenses. God, what a bunch of pussies.
The sole purpose of NATO is to deter the Russian "threat"... Considering there is no Russian threat to the EU, these numpties continue to use fear to justify their phoney-baloney jobs... Fuck NATO and fuck the EU, let them pay for their own defense, the US is BROKE!!!!
Its all just theatre for the proles. learly if the Baltic states were ever attacked from the East (or any other direction) they would be over-run long before NATO had organised any sort of credible opposition.
The Balts must know that (either that or are extremely delusional), so all the gnashing of teeth is as genuine as the IMFs forecasts pre Brexit vote.
No-one told Trump that the reason the US pays for NATO is because the US decides what NATO does. No-one told the member states that the reason they have to rely so much on NATO is so they will be forced to do what NATO says.
But PT is truly ignorant in these matters so feel free to tell PT how and why he is wrong.
Not sure where you are going here. If you are right on the first point, US not contributing as much means we won't expect to be making as many of the decisions that member states have to follow. That's good in my book, let's leave it more up to them. On the second point, pretty simple. Member states make their decisions and we can decide to support them or leave em on their own. Wouldn't it be great if his message is just "we are getting out of this business, and won't interfere in your decisions anymore."?
If you expect someone to hold up the their side of a contract while you neglect your side - you just might be a Euronigger. Or E-nigger.
More like the NATO paracites will lose all their pointless jobs.
Looks like he is going to shut down the free-shit-army, foreign & domestic!
GO TRUMP!
it *is* a protection racket MFer, that's why it should be abolished!
or this Wesley Clark; 7 countries in 5 years;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw
Yep. General Clark would do well to remember that there is no statute of limtations for the war crimes he committed. Maybe that's why he fears The Donald?
Trump resurrected the "S" word: "Stupid",
He now needs to resurrect the "T" word: Treason.
Weasly Clark.
So fkn smart he's schlepping chocolate cookies or sompthing.
If i was still in I wouldn't follow that fag into a open free bar full of drunk Victoria Secret models that thought I was the heir to a vast Texas oil fortune.
Weasly has had his head so far up Hillary's gash, for so long, his face looks like a burn victim. His ears and nose, desolved fron her putrid discharge. They are synthetics, snapped on stainless posts. And, he found the green and yellow slime, not only tasty but very nutritious.
And Trump wants them to pay up. And then they forget Turkey there own Nato breathern
Another coup orchestrated by the empire of evil and death.
Barack Hussein Obama should receive a 2nd Nobel Peace Prize. He well deserve them.
In
7 years in office he bombed and orchestrated coups on 8 different
sovereign nations that ended in the death of hundreds of thousands and
the misery and the largest migration since WWII.
Where is the war crime tribunal ???
And they want to complain about Trump. They got huge balls
Of course, some of these countries could pay in Smoking, Hot Women for our soldiers (not to mention Wife #4 for Trump).
Seriously though, Trump is guaranteed to shake these Fukers out of their decades long complacency.
This is basic contract law, not hard to understand. You live up to your end of the agreement and we live up to ours. You don't live up to your end we don't have to live up to ours. Very basic, very black and white. So nice to see the main stream try to distort it with "feelings".
Translation: spend more on defense. Or...
Exactly.
Imagine that -- some NATO members are spending ONLY 1% of their GDP on defense, when they shuld be hitting the annual target of 2%. The US Military Industrial Congressional Complex is not pleased with the performance of their subcribers...
NATO is like a fuckin mafia.
The part media is NOT STRESSING its attention on:
Anyone considering placing his opinion on Mr. Trump in this particular situation should consider this part. He is essentially saying: We shall see, I don't want to give unwarranted opinions, because I bear responsibility for what I say since adversary may take a hint and hold me responsible when or if I'm a president and put it back at me, or worse, take appropriate action beforehand. As opposed to a running joke narcissist Obama, who announces his intentions at every turn just to look good at a press conference, or, media's beloved Mrs Clinton who splashed all her doings to the entire world via not EVEN HAVING A FUCKING PASSWORD ON HOME EMAIL SERVER SHE WAS ROUTINELY SENDING CLASSIFIED SHIT ONTO.
Yeah, who's irresponsible. Get real folks.
...and what about the musloid army currently invading EUSSR? Why no mention of that aggression?
What do you think the Klinton Foundation was for?
What is making National Secrets available to hostile interests called?
It reminds one of Ethel & Julius Rosenberg, no?
And we know what they got...
BTW, for us Libertarian folks, TRUMP is re-enacting the Glass-Steagall when he takes office! BOOM! You hear that Hedgeless?
You do know there is a LIbertarian candidate; Gary Johnson
There are plenty, plenty of people who make a very cushy living off NATO, first and foremost the US military-industrial complex. Hence the "feelings" and the hand-wringing about the hapless allies "under Russian threat" (lol).
Finaly.... an obvious!
"Close bases and bring our troops home" crowd are missing that key part.
Trump: "I BREAK YOUR RICE BOWLS!"
Trump does appear to get A LOT of "sun" compared to the day-walking Wiccan witch; so what, who cares? If the election is about image, which it is, I'm going to choose the orange-faced lunatic who at least recognizes that the current Alinsky-Keynes Bolshevism course being steered is an absolute disaster. I don't believe there are enough damaged nihilists in the country to elect a piece of shit like Hillary—if voting actually makes a difference, that is. And if it doesn't, I'm relieved the Tetragrammaton Council chose Trump.
The Big Red One is TIED with Hillary in a Nationwide poll done by the LA Times!
The LA Mother-fucking-Times! ..and the best they could do FOR HILLARY is give her a tie with Trump? Holy fuck, Trump must be ahead by at least 10 points!
Donald, "You magnificent bastard..." keep hitting them where it hurts.
LN
All the neocon Nazis are having a f*cking heart attack because Trump might fire their worthless asses
These idiots think they can stop a Russian invasion with a few thousand troops?
Russia can have f*cking Poland and the fools in the Baltic States
but I don't think they even want them, it is just a way to squeeze $$$ out of Europe
to buy more US miliatry equipment
After all, what is more important, spending money on your social problems and infrastructure
or getting ready for nuclear Armageddon?
kick them in the nuts Trump!
I think if Jens Stoltenberg were not NATO commander, he would be selling hot dogs from a cart. Wesley Clark is a war criminal, plain and simple. NATO is an obsolete organization whose purpose is to do whatever the US wishes. Good luck with that Euro dumb-fucks.
Getting excited for the Slave Bowl in 2017? Come on man, you have to realize that the NFL is nothing but NWO propaganda. wake up
phantom.. +10 Pay no attention to what they say, only what they do.
Lets look at it from the 1984 perspective. If you are constantly at war or preparing for it overly. You suck out the resources that would otherwise raise the standard of living for all members of that Nation State. Can't have that because if you wish to control people you need them poor, always in fear (so they can't think logically) and un-educated. Trump 2016
I agree ... who needs NATO anymore? Just look at TURKEY. The real threat is to determine what happens with our nuclear ordinance and other advanced weapon systems.
TRUMP simply wanted them to pay there fair share. In case anyone hasn't noticed, AMERICA IS BROKE!!!!!
LET RUSSIA HAVE THE WHOLE BLOODY MESS. i AM SURE HOWEVER RUSSIA DOESN'T WANT IT OR NEED IT.
By the way RUSSIA is already in NATO and AMERICA via MARX teachings and ideology in the public school system, universities and seminaries.
AMERICA ... WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Look at the stupid fucking people of France; Russia can have them...
1. The French Prime Minister supports the import of an army of Muslims whom quickly begin butchering the French people.
>>The Peoples's response? They redouble their efforts to get teddy bears to the border.
2. The Prime Minister says "The French people will have to learn to live with terror"
>>The Peoples's response? The Prime Minister is savaged in the press, booed in person, and demanded to resign by the people.
Let the Bush family pony up the money for the problems they caused!
He's absolutely correct