Several days ago, half jokingly, Edward Snowden gave the best advice on how to determine whether Russia was indeed, as the media has already decided, behind the hack of first the Democratic National Committee, then the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and, as of last night, the Hillary presidential campaign itself. This is what Snowden said in a July 25 tweet: "Evidence that could publicly attribute responsibility for the DNC hack certainly exists at #NSA, but DNI traditionally objects to sharing. The aversion to sharing #NSA evidence is fear of revealing "sources and methods" of intel collection, but #XKEYSCORE is now publicly known."
Evidence that could publicly attribute responsibility for the DNC hack certainly exists at #NSA, but DNI traditionally objects to sharing.
— Edward Snowden (@Snowden) July 25, 2016
It appears that the NSA has taken up Snowden on his advce, because as ABC reports, U.S. government hackers at the National Security Agency are now targeting Russian government-linked hacking teams "to see once and for all if they're responsible for the massive breach at the Democratic National Committee." ABC cited three former senior intelligence officials. It's a job that the current head of the NSA's elite hacking unit said they've been called on to do many times before, ABC notes.
Robert Joyce, chief of the NSA's shadowy Tailored Access Operations, declined to comment on the DNC hack specifically, but said in general that the NSA has technical capabilities and legal authorities that allow the agency to "hack back" suspected hacking groups, infiltrating their systems to gather intelligence about their operations in the wake of a cyber attack.
"In terms of the foreign intelligence mission, one of the things we have to do is try to understand who did a breach, who is responsible for a breach," Joyce told ABC News in a rare interview this week. "So we will use the NSA's authorities to pursue foreign intelligence to try to get back into that collection, to understand who did it and get the attribution. That's hard work, but that's one of the responsibilities we have." Meanwhile, the NSA has deferred questions about its potential involvement in the DNC hack investigation to the FBI, which is the leading agency in that probe. Representatives for the bureau have not returned ABC News' request for comment. Lisa Monaco, President Obama's homeland security and counterterrorism advisor whose responsibilities include cyber policy, declined to comment.
As we reported last week, a former senior U.S. official said it was a "fair bet" the NSA was using its hackers' technical prowess to infiltrate two Russian hacking teams that the cybersecurity firm Crowdstrike alleged broke into the DNC's system and were linked to two separate Russian intelligence agencies, as first reported by The Washington Post. In some past unrelated cases, the former official said, NSA hackers have been able to watch from the inside as malicious actors conduct their operations in real time.
So are the US and Russian now in a state of cyberwar?
Rajesh De, former general counsel at the NSA, said that if the NSA is targeting the Russian groups, it could be doing it under its normal foreign intelligence authorities, as the Russian government is "clearly... a valid intelligence target." Or the NSA could be working under the FBI's investigative authority and hacking the suspects' systems as part of technical support for investigators, said De, now head of the cyber security practice at the law firm Mayer Brown.
While U.S. officials have told news outlets anonymously they concur with Crowdstrike and other private cybersecurity firms who have pointed to Russian culpability, the U.S. government has declined to publicly blame the Russians. The Russian government has said the hacking allegations are "absurd". Director of National Intelligence James Clapper told the audience at the Aspen Security Forum Thursday that the U.S. intelligence community was "not quite ready to make a call on attribution," though he said there were "just a few usual suspects out there." The next day CIA Director John Brennan said that attribution is "to be determined" and a lot of people were "jumping to conclusions."
Professional hackers often use proxies, Brennan said, so investigators have to make two or three "hops" before tracing cyber attacks back to a state's intelligence agency, which makes the attribution process more difficult.
The NSA's Joyce said that in general it's very difficult to properly frame someone for a complex attack, since too many details have to be exactly right, requiring a tremendous amount of expertise and precision. But Joyce said that before the U.S. government pins blame on anyone for a cyber attack publicly, the evidence has to pass an "extremely high bar." So when they do come forward, he said, perhaps based on the results of attribution techniques that have not been publicly described, "You should bank on it."
For some, however, there is no doubt that Putin is "desperate" to crush the democrats and to install his "puppet" Trump as the next US president, or something... People like Michael Buratowski, the senior vice president of cybersecurity services at Fidelis Cybersecurity, who said the evidence pointing to the Russians was so convincing, "it would have had to have been a very elaborate scheme" for it really to have been anyone else.
Kenneth Geers, a former cyber analyst at the Pentagon who recently published a book about Russian cyber operations, told ABC News earlier this week that he didn't necessarily doubt it was the Russians, but said that even in the best cases when doing cyber investigations, "You can have a preponderance of evidence -- and in nation-state cases, that’s likely what you’ll have -- but that’s all you’ll have."
That, he said, opens the possibility, however remote, that a very clever hacker or hacking team could be framing the Russians.
Someone as clever as the NSA perhaps, the same NSA which is using the unconfirmed "Russian" hack to counterhack the Russians now, in what someone may be tempted to call is a false flag escalation, meant to lead to just one thing: a convenional response from the Kremlin.
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Meanwhile, earlier today, Russia's intelligence service said on Saturday that the computer networks of 20 organizations, including state agencies and defense companies, have already been infected with spyware in what it described as a targeted and coordinated attack. The Federal Security Service, the FSB, said the malware and the way the networks were infected were similar to those used in previous cases of cyber espionage found in Russia and other countries. The agency did not say who it suspected of being behind the attacks.
Now that the NSA is actively "hacking" Russia, however, we doubt that what is rapidly emerging as the first official cyberwar between the world's two hacking superpowers will remain under wraps for long. We can only hope that said war remains in the cyber domain.





Sorry, but this looks like a diversionary tactic by the usual suspects.
If they can't get HRC in to continue the cover-ups, what will they consider as options?
Forcing the collapse and shutting down the government, having resignations by those who know too much?
OT:
DO NOT LOOK AT THE LINK IF YOU HAVE A WEAK STOMACH. It's the workings of a deranged mind. Who the hell would do something like this? Seriously, do NOT look. You were warned. It's sick. I've been vomiting for the last 20 minutes.
https://www.rt.com/viral/354027-clinton-mural-instagram-censorship/
When you see the red ants strirred up against the black ants, look to the yellow ants.
Learn Chinese: Gou [dog]
See the attacks in realtime.
http://map.norsecorp.com/
At this instant I am not seeing much activity in the Russi@n Feder@tion. Ok I did see a couple attacks headed towards M0sc0w.
However, the U.S is getting hit as usual.
Popcorn anyone?
Where's John goodman when you need him? We need to stomp some nerds!
Nerds, nerds, nerds, nerds....
Oh heck, everybody knows it was some kid in Hungary working in his underwear from his parent’s basement on an IBM Model 80 that compromised the non-security of the Democrats.
Either the Americans have already hacked something Russian and are seeking to retro-actively justify it, or this is pure BS propaganda with no link whatsoever to what is really happening. It makes utterly no sense to say "we are hacking you now", if that's what you're really doing.
Obviously nothing the NSA will say can be trusted anymore than any other spy agency.
What actually is the difference between what the NSA is doing and what the Russians are alleged to have done. After all the revelations of how the NSA spies on everybody, forces providers and manufactureres to build in back doors, listens in on the leaders of allied nations, how can anybody be indignant about any party who is hacking for intelligence purposes?
Wasn't some NATO or US genius general going around a couple months ago saying that cyber attacks from Russia, China, or North Korea were attacks that could be met with a nuclear retaliation?
I hope Russia does not retaliate and drop a cloud of antrax over my city.
I hope not. At least let it be DC if anywhere.
I seriously doubt that NSA is capable of hacking anything Russian except maybe a Siberian outhouse. Our best programmers are all foreigners (most of them Russian) and Snowden is gone... We live in the years of stupid ! Aquarius was supposed to be the Age of Enlightenment, but somebody must have screwed up a few letters because it became instead the age of entitlement and televised moron-ism !
A couple of weeks ago CIA proved to be completely incompetent in organizing a coup in a country (Turkey) were no coup failed before. As a result, the USAF base at Incirlik is currently cut from the rest of the world (practically under silent siege), and it is just a question of time until Erdogan will ask the Americans to vacate it. NSA is equally inept...
Just days after NATO declared “cyberspace” a formal military zone, NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg warned that major cyber attacks might now be classified as a “case for the alliance” which NATO as a whole would respond to militarily, with conventional warfare.
Though Stoltenberg insisted doing so would depend heavily on the severity of the attacks, he said to establishment of cyberspace as a military zone meant NATO would react to attacks there the same as attacks in air, sea, land, or space.
In theory, this would mean that NATO member nations could invoke Article 4 of the alliance, obliging meetings to discuss mutual military defense if a member nation is “attacked,” simply on the grounds of them being hacked.
Of particular concern in the case of cyberattacks is how rarely it is readily apparent who the culprit it. The US tends to blame China or Russia in the media for cyberattacks against American targets, but rarely offers any evidence to defend those assertions.
If this is to be the alliance-wide standard, every NATO member nation, all of whom are hit with cyberattacks by governments and private citizens countless times a day, could manufacture a pretext for a new alliance-wide war against the target of their choice.
Though Stoltenberg tried to limit this to the most severe attacks, it isn’t clear in practice what that actually means. The US, for instance, seems to have cyber attacks presented as the “worst ever” multiple times every year.
Though wars against China and Russia are largely impractical for the alliance, because those nations have substantial nuclear deterrents, this could seemingly be the easy way for the US or some other member nation to shoehorn the alliance into a war in Libya or elsewhere, simply by trying to pin the next cyberattack on some faction there. Since evidence isn’t offered most of the time anyhow, there is likely to be little argument after presenting any conceivable culprit.
http://news.antiwar.com/2016/06/15/nato-chief-alliance-may-respond-to-cy...
It is now the US's DoD policy, from last year....
US May Use Cyberattacks As Offensive Weapon, DoD Sayshttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-25/us-may-use-cyberattacks-offensi...
IBM Sys34
I beleive Norse can only see/trace "attacks" where they have instrumentation software at both ends.
It's fun movie, but not all that verdicial about what's really going on. Doesn't show relays and a bunch of other things - do you see multiple hop atacks in that display?
Do you know of any better live attack maps?
Do you know this?
Israel's ThetaRay turns to maths to detect cyber threatsCompetitors in this fast-growing security field include Splunk Inc and venture-backed Norse Corp and Palantir Technologies in Silicon Valley and Bay Dynamics, based in San Francisco, and Seculert, another Israeli-based venture.
http://www.reuters.com/article/thetaray-cybersecurity-idUSL6N0SF16R20141...
Love the popup when you click on USA on this threatmap....
https://threatmap.checkpoint.com/ThreatPortal/livemap.html
Biggest country atacking the USA at the moment.... THe USA lol
Norsecorp places honeypots around the globe. You are looking at automated attacks on the honeypots, not coordinated cyber attacks. The map shows the need for cyber defence, but unless the NSA takes down the honeypot, you won't see it on the map. Also, the country where the attack originate is really just the last hop from the honeypot. Those furious lines from China just might be from a botnet owned by a 14 year old from Iceland trying to take out a Playstation server near St. Louis.
"Learn Chinese: Gou [dog]"
So 'mou-gou-gai-pan' (sp) literally translates as more dog in you pan? I hope it is poodle or pekingese. I love dogs but hate those yapping little freaks of man's creation. Now that we have confirmed what everyone knew about Chinese takeout can we get some confiramation of what goes into a McDs burger asides from cellulose? I vote horse.
The yellow ants will eventually bump into the brown ants (muzzies/red dot Indians).
It's Wargames all over again, like the movie see pictures in the article.
Predictive programming?
Ta Chien was a good 'chinese' restaraunt, near Cleveland Circle in the eighties.
Gave 'Woking your dog' a whole new meaning.
Hot Wars to follow. All for Hillary, the bitch.
Thats what I was thinking too, lets get into a war with a first rate power over "russian hackers" who only proved what the rest of us already knew.
Another thing, isn't the DNC a PRIVATE institution? Don't they like to constantly remind people of that, typically when doing things that people don't like? So in retaliation for them hacking a PRIVATE institution, we attack their government? Brilliant
We are too incompetent to go to war, and I mean to a serious one. This is all just venting...
imagine geetting prosecuted for this type of crime against the oligarchy.
On simple minded bastard patsy against the government that can only say with absolute confidence that he did it but not being able to produce one ounce of evidence because it is all super secret. Welcome to a FISA court where there is no proof to refute, just fucked up beyond reason and the ACLU spends all it's time and money making sure a chick with a dick can pee in the mens room of a Target
The EFF is who you want to call.
Welcome to the IRS court as well.
Virtually all federal government organizations are involved in parallel reconstruction, where they use the panopticon eye of the NSA to learn everything about everyone, pass the information on in voilation of constitutional rights, but then hide the source of their intrusion from judges, the jury, and the entire US population.
This is all bullshit propaganda. Both Russia and America are under cyber attack thousends of times a day. Have been for years.
Anyone here think the NSA will find the Russians innocent of hacking? LOL.
I'm petty confident they will tell us the truth.
I'm pretty confident you are a useful idiot.
I'm pretty confident he was being sarcastic. At this point, the US gubbermint is the least trustworthy in the world along with the EU. I would trust the Chinese, Russians, Iranians, Cubans, and Venezuelans over what comes out of DC and Brussels.
I would add Bolivia and Ecuador to that more trustworthy list.
"ahhh, the old hacking the hackers that hacked the hackers that hacked the hacker that hacked the hag ploy"
If it aint broke, don't fix it
False flag? Gimme a break!
If NSA needed a pretext to hack the Russkies, the last thing they needed is to hack a sitting President party's network and expose its dirty laundry. It would be much safer to hack something like the stock market, cause Dow to drop 3000 and blame the disappeared 401Ks on Putin. That would really make people mad! Or MAD.
The pretext of the NSA is to discredit DJ Trump and make sure Hillary wins.
A couple of days ago he asked the Russian to hack out DNC stuff and, lo and behold, they did.
But don't expect to see evidence that the Russians did anything.
The Supreme Court of the Universe and Judge and Jury of this World ruled that seeing the NSA's evidence is irrelevant.
The word of the Ancient Gargoyles Clapper and Brennan is suficient
Let there be open cyberwarfare, my money is on the Russians, most of the top hackers have come from Russia.
topcoder statistics
top ranked algo competitors:
http://www.topcoder.com/tc?module=AlgoRank
23 RF/Belarus
11 China
2 US
israel...........did it
One thing is for sure...
No excuses for the NSA now not to reveal the banker and political criminals ecause this is evidence they have the capability but the NSA like the FBI refuse to use it in the interests of the American constitution.
Awesome really, should do it covertly.
Wondering how many of those thousands of computer nodes are running windoze - pirated windoze, or (gasp) real registered Windows OS ??? On Chinese-manufactured NOVO systems with hardware back doors.
Oh, never mind; malware thrives on any and all of them, no matter what the version.
Go Linux, firewalls, and USA Hack3rs - USA USA U$A
That's why you use dedicated firewalls. Not rely on backdoor software firewalls. Though what's the point? They passed laws which allow them to hack you, install backdoors and upload criminal stuff whenever they please! Yeah welcome to 2016! Gubbimint is watching you. Windows 10 made it easy. Why you think it's free?
And really? USA chanting... You guys don't look good from where I'm standing. Peeps steal your stuff!
What I find puzzling about all this drama is why the RNC's emails weren't also hacked.
If the aim is to get Trump elected, then why not expose all the dirty tricks used on the republican side to derail his candidacy? There has to be at least as much dirt on their side as on the democrat's and yet nothing? So, what's up with that?
Who says they weren't? Cui bono.
I should have said exposed. You're right, they probably have been hacked.
All moot now I suppose.
I think the poster above has the answer. There was no hack. Pissed off dbi agents released the emails.
I don't think there was a hack either. Clinton doesn't have much to lose regarding any crap that was stolen involving the DNC and the campaign. The real material of importance was when she was secretary of state and how it involved the clinton foundation.
All this other stuff is a distraction and an attempt to lay blame on outside parties such as trump and russia.
Anyway, we have some big shit coming dow the pipeline in the next two months. This is a time to be blind sided so this is the time to be prepped - before hand.
Wait... Wasn't hacking shit like... an act of war? Or some shit the US said? So... It's only okay when the US does it? Anyone else doing it should get NATO gearing up because it's an act of war? Funky shit. Does not compute.