If The Fact Neocons Are Now Supporting Hillary Clinton Confuses You, Read This

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Submitted by JP Sottile via TheAntiMedia.org,

What’s a Neocon to do?

Bill Kristol is downright despondent after his failed search for an alternative to Donald Trump. Max Boot is indignant about his “stupid” party’s willingness to ride a bragging bull into a delicate China policy shop. And the leading light of the first family of military interventionism — Robert Kagan — is actually lining up Neoconservatives behind the Democratic nominee for president of the United States.

At the same time, the Democrats have become the party of bare-knuckled, full-throated American Exceptionalism. That transformation was announced with a vein-popping zeal by retired general and wannabe motivation screamer John Allen at the Democratic convention in the City of Brotherly Love. During his “speech,” a few plaintive protests of “no more war” were actually drowned-out by Democrats chanting “USA-USA-USA!”

This is the same Democratic Party often criticized by Kagan & Co. as the purveyors of timidity, flaccidity, and moral perfidy.  It’s not that Democrats haven’t dropped bombs, dealt arms, and overturned regimes. They have. And they’ve even got the Peace Prize-winning Obama-dropper to prove it.  But unlike enthusiastically belligerent Republicans, the Dems are supposed to be the party that does it, but doesn’t really like to do it.

But now, they’ve got Hillary Clinton. And she’s weaponized the State Department. She really likes regime change. And her nominating convention not only embraced the military, but it sanctified the very Gold Star families that Neocon-style interventionism creates. It certainly created the pain of the Khan family who lost their son in the illegal war in Iraq. But the Dems didn’t mention that sad fact as they grabbed the flag away from the Republicans.

Now that’s truly Neo-confusing.

It kinda feels like reality has slipped off its axis and we’ve landed on a Bizarro World version of America. Democrats are acting like Republicans. Pat Buchanan is championing the GOP’s “Peace Candidate.” And the Neocons are fleeing from a party they’ve used like a geopolitical cudgel for the better part of three decades.

At first glance, it all makes sense. Trump captured the GOP nomination in no small part by trashing two of the Neocons’ favorite things ever — the Bush family and the Iraq War. He also suggested early on that he’d approach the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza as (gasp!) an honest broker. Trump said he really wanted to “make that deal.” Without irony, one-time Neocon wonderboy Marco Rubio remarked that it isn’t a “real estate deal” when, in fact, that’s exactly what it is.

But the ever-pliable Trump quickly got religion on Israel. He did an about-face, marched into AIPAC’s annual confab, and staked out a claim on the reflexively pro-Israel side of the issue. But it wasn’t enough to assuage the angst of the GOP’s forever-circling hawks.

Frankly, nothing seems enough to sway the Neocons in Donald’s direction. But it’s not for lack of trying on Trump’s part. Really, he’s checked off many of the boxes that make Neocons smile.

Trump wants a “yuuge” military … the biggest and baddest ever! So big, that no one in a million years will ever challenge it. That sure sounds a lot like Reagan’s “peace through strength.” Neocons do love Reagan. And, as if on cue, the Kristol/Kagan-led “Foreign Policy Initiative” just posted a clarion call to spend more bucks to buy bigger bangs for an already gargantuan military. Doesn’t that fit with Donald’s plan to spend defense dollars like a drunken sailor?

Maybe Neocons don’t want the military to be so big that no one will ever try anything. Maybe they want a few challenges here and there, just for a little creative destruction to keep the world on its toes. But Trump’s right there with them. He wants to “bomb the shit” out of ISIS. And he even said America has “no choice but to bomb Libya” and “take out” the Islamic State.

C’mon, Neocons … what’s not to like?

And how about Trump’s Islamophobia? It sure seems simpatico with the last two decades of Neoconservative drum-beating. Trump repeatedly uses the magic words — “Radical Islamic Terrorism.” Can’t you just hear the longing sighs coming out of the American Enterprise Institute? He also wants to ban Muslims. Or “just” ban people coming from countries where Muslims have committed terrorism. Who knows? Either way, the message is “Muslims bad.” It even gave Neocon bushwacker Frank Gaffney a serious man-crush on The Donald.

To be fair, other less “fringy” Neocons like Kristol have repudiated the Muslim ban idea. But, as filmmaker Robbie Martin showed in his just-completed series on the Neocons and their “very heavy agenda,” even the most intellectually renowned among them has engaged in the dangerous stereotyping of all Muslims as terrorists.

In fact, Martin featured a frightening clip of two Kagans (Robert’s dad Donald and his brother Fred) making the case that the US military should clean out the Occupied Territories in the aftermath of 9/11 because radical Muslims and “the Arabs” are all basically the same. Oh, by the way, they only respect brute force.  So why not take advantage of the “New Pearl Harbor” and show them all who’s boss?

It’s kinda like the “dancing Muslims” Trump — and only Trump — saw celebrating the 9/11 attacks in New Jersey. Even if he didn’t see them, or just conflated them with an isolated incident in East Jerusalem, what’s the difference? It’s all the same to him. Just like aggrieved and aggressive Muslims were all the same to the Kagans on 9/11. Doesn’t that make Trump’s persistent suspicion of Muslims a perfect match for the Neoconservative wrecking crew?

And then there’s the Iran nuclear deal, which Trump has relentlessly criticized as being so bad that it’s downright suspicious. He said he wants to “renegotiate” immediately after taking office. And he wrongly claims the deal is a fast-track to a nuclear-armed Iran (an error that puts him squarely in the Neocon camp). As a rule of thumb, he’s livid about all things related to Iran. So, what’s the problem? Why can’t the Neocons wrap their arms around Donald Trump?

In a word — it’s Russia.

It’s framed as a troublesome “bromance” between Vladimir Putin and Trump. Critics don’t like Trump’s comfort with a “dictator” who, as Kagan’s wife Victoria Nuland recently told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, engages in “aggression.” She’s currently the assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian Affairs. She basically managed the 2014 coup in Ukraine. And she’s outraged by Russian aggression in Ukraine. But she’s nonplussed by her husband’s role in pushing for the most blatant and wanton act of aggression thus far this century — the unwarranted destruction of Iraq.

Go figure.

On the other hand, Putin has the unmitigated gall to move military forces around inside the borders of his own country. He’s blamed for hacking the Democratic Party — despite a lack of actual evidence and the NSA’s own hacking hijinks. And he’s accused of “meddling” in U.S. elections — a pretty rich accusation given America’s long history of surreptitious electioneering around the world.

There is no doubt that “Bad Vlad” likes Donald. And Donald likes Vlad. But the real problem isn’t their bromance. This is about the Neoconservative desire to make sure the United States is the lone guarantor of the geopolitical order. This is about Pax Americana. This is about resurrecting the faded dream of a new American century.

And what stands in the way of the type of the Neocon dream of global “full-spectrum dominance?” Russia’s nuclear arsenal.

Russia is the only nation with an arsenal big enough to withstand the subtle nuclear blackmail of America’s trillion-dollar nuclear “upgrade.” That’s why Russia is concerned about the missile defense systems arrayed on their border. Those systems can knock down retaliatory strikes, thus making a first strike with new nuclear cruise missiles at least theoretically possible.

The United States is also using NATO expansion to increasingly encircle a nation that once was America’s geopolitical equal. That’s why Trump’s criticism of America’s outsized support for NATO must’ve been the tipping point from disdain to panic among Neocon and Neoliberal interventionists alike.

The oddity is that there does seem to be more than a passing affinity between Trump and Putin. Trump’s statements on Ukraine would be easily dismissed if his campaign manager Paul Manafort hadn’t worked as a political consultant to the pre-Nuland leadership of Ukraine. And Trump’s statements on Crimea might be written off if he’d release his taxes and end speculation of financial ties to Putin’s regime.

But the visceral reaction against his repeated calls for cooperation — “By the way, wouldn’t it be great if we got along with Russia?”— exposes the extent to which the entire foreign policy and political establishments are squarely on the same page. They are angling for Cold War 2.0, and Trump is the only major figure willing to challenge that orthodoxy.

Unlike Hillary Clinton, of course, which brings the whole thing back to the miasma of confusion hanging over this strange election. Hillary is on the Neocon team — if not in name, certainly in deed. She will “stand up” to Bad Vlad. She’s targeted by Russian hackers because Putin prefers his “unwitting agent” Donald Trump. And Donald is, according to an emerging narrative, a latter-day Neville Chamberlain just inviting the Ruskies to take over the Baltic States, Ukraine, and God knows what else.

The greatest irony of all is that Trump catapulted over the Neocons’ preferred presidential options by slamming their pet project — the War on Iraq. Trump’s criticism of that war and the chaos it unleashed resonated with the very voters the Neocons took for granted as pliable, fear-responsive bumpkins. That left them out in the cold just as they were angling to trump the disorderly, hard-to-prosecute mess they call “The Global War on Terror.”

What they really want, and have always wanted, is to revive the greatest war of all — the Cold War. That’s the grand chessboard they yearn to play on once again.  The War on Terror was really just a stop-gap, like methadone for imperialists. But now they’ve scored because it looks like the supposed party of imperial intransigence is, under the guidance of Hillary Clinton, poised to take the reins from a Trump-addled GOP.

And if a recent article in Der Spiegel is right, Kagan’s wife Victoria has emerged as a candidate for the prized position of secretary of state should Hillary win. If that comes to pass, the Neocons may not have succeeded in their initial plan for a new American century, but they will have hastily completed their last-minute project for a new Democratic Party. And that means this election isn’t that Neo-confusing after all.

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Golden Phoenix's picture

Put simply the goal of this election has been 'No one named Bush or Clinton in the White House ever again'.

The GOP held up their end of the bargain. Trump went further and relegated the Bush Dynasty to the trash bin of history.

Democrats tried to do the same on their side but Hillary and the DNC colluded to prevent it.

Some of the Bush era GOP are said to be supporting Hillary for one simple reason - she's the new George Bush, adopting all his policies.

Rather than vote for a Bush or a Clinton some Democrats are voting Green. Others are voting Trump.

SwiffFiffteh's picture

I looked at the Green Party website and read their platform. They are living in a completely fictional world of impending athropogenic eco-disasters that can only be controlled through drastic draconian policies which must be implemented immediately.

Translation: They are totalitarians hiding behind fake bushes.

PleasedToMeatYou's picture

"And how about Trump’s Islamophobia?"

JP Sottile of TheAntiMedia.org, really needs to grow up. 

Son of Captain Nemo's picture

Reposted from  Trump Was Right? Obama Admits US Must Partner With Russia To Beat ISIS...

There will never be peace with Russia because too much has been invested in mayhem and chaos to pull everything apart in Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen and Ukraine in order to control it's resources in those Countries.

The U.S. will never have a "detente" with Russia as in the good ol' days of Nixon and Kissinger because there is nothing left of a service economy that no longer manufactures things both people and government(s) around the world want that is creative, productive and lucrative outside of the military hardware it no longer can sell to anybody but it's NATO partner(s), Israel, Saudi Arabia, UAE... which essentially is selling "to itself" or in reality giving it away!

Without a successful and productive manufacturing base that hasn't been offshored... Along with available natural resources that can facilitate that manufacturing infrastructure CONUS that it no longer possesses or from a cheaper alternative source that will only take USD by force like Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya Yemen and Ukraine... Russia will forever be it's adversary as long as the United States of America exists "in it's current form"!!!

This is why Trump's only option is the "nuclear one" on 9/11/2016 in Manhattan.

And why he must deliver a very impassioned speech that tells the truth to the American people "why" the 15th Anniversary is so critical to it's future and that if the U.S. is ever to be productive again it must abandon completely it's "hegemony" everywhere else around the globe it has a military presence which means the abolishment of the petrodollar and the banks that control "it"!!!!

The Ram's picture

The Clintons have always been neocons.  In fact, Hillary may be more neocon than 'W'.  People who think many democrats are not neocons are not paying attention.  

robnume's picture

The neocons, or neolibcons, as I call 'em, are simply angry that their "game" is up. They know that there is no real two party system, but they've benefited from the fact that most sheeple believe that there is a difference between the two. Now they have to support the person who does represent their interests, Hillary Clinton, because she is one of them. I'm sure they'd rather continue the horror fiction that there are two distinct political parties in order to somewhat shield their financial and political shenanigans from public discourse but the Donald has thrown a monkey wrench into their election plan this year. What else can they do? They must vote for their real and only choice; the one who represents their interests and their interests alone - Hillary Clinton.

Pumpkin's picture

Satanists tend to stick together.  Not confusing at all.

Kohiba's picture

I think I'm more confused than before I read the article.

Librarian's picture

Kohiba, you are best off just enjoying what's left of the weekend and listening to some old Zappa Albums.

HRC made her deal with the neocons when Obama ran her out of DC by turning the secretary of state position into the equivalent of an ambassador posting.  The Clinton Foundation and Soros lost billions of dollars in Ukraine and in the Middle East.  Lots of gamblers find themselves in that situation right before they hit rock bottom.  They are convinced that they can win it all back on the next roll of the dice.  They don't understand their addictions.  They understand mathematics even less.







In other news, there are lots of old bootleg concert recordings from the 70s showing up now online.

Caption contest on the 4th photo?

WTFUD's picture

When you're gone John i'll take care of the bag drops to your Nusrah boys!

Mustafa Kemal's picture

Neocon, NeoLib, Neofascist, all the same. 

But then there is Neo from our Matrix.

kuwa mzuri's picture

"Neocons":  new generation of conmen wishing to export our weapons, not democracy, and wage bombing campaigns for putative humanitarian reasons, while creating terrorists and hiring mercs to steal the oil, drugs, art treasures, and bullion of countries we conquer and untold billions from the US Treasury;  those who would encourage a diaspora of Muslims to the West as our war "refugees" and pay them to form Sharia-based enclaves in the US while playing the part of victims whom Constitutional neo conmen must protect from nativists and America-Firsters, until such time a false flag pinned on Muslims gives rise to a major overseas war and perhaps civil conflict; globalist neo conmen who seek a Middle East conflagration and showdown with Russia to fulfill Pike's WWIII and one-world government in the aftermath;  America-endangering and Israel and KSA-friendly new cons.

Consuelo's picture



 Not to pile on with the Jew bait stuff, but...

 It does bear mentioning (because you won't here boo about it elsewhere), that there is a visceral hatred of Putin and Putin's Russia from the Jew lobby here in the U.S., as well as a large percetage of Ukrainian Jews.   For what it's worth, I have hunch some of this is tied to Putin's friendly relationship with the Russian Orthodox church, and both parties aversion to homosexual influences within general societal life in Russia.   I don't think that aspect of Russia's domestic policy can be discounted vis-a-vis foreign policy attitudes shown them from the West, the U.S. in particular.

messystateofaffairs's picture

Those who commune with spirits tell me that Satan is a homo or at least bisexual (to the degree that sex is of use to him). Explains to me why the deeply deceived "chosen" tribe (chosen to represent the Antichrist, if most of them only knew it) have such an affinity for same sex proselytism.

Daniel 11:37-38King James Version (KJV)

37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.


Caleb Abell's picture

I don't know about Satan, but I do notice the Jesus never married, never had a girlfriend, and liked to hang out with 12 other single males.  I find this jesus fellow to be suspicious in his aversion to females.

cart00ner's picture

Every time some nutter quotes from the bible I think of


bid the soldiers shoot's picture


No no no Consuelo, your tendency to bring things homophobic and homophilic into the conversation is going to get you in trouble one day.


You know as well as I that while the American Jews may not like Le Putin, It is the Israeli Jews that make the policy.  Right now our dear Israeli brothers and sisters love Putin and Russia and American Jews shut it when told to do so by real Jews that emigrated to Israel.


Netanyahu has been making deals with Putin left and right about avoiding any problems that may occur over the Golan and maybe other stuff we don't know about. 


Last, but far from least, is the recent appointment of Avigdor Lieberman as Israeli Defense Minister.  Certainly Russia and Putin have no bigger cheerleader than the ex-Russian Avigdor Lieberman.

The relationships going on in the Middle East today are a like you, Consuelo:



Let's save that homo stuff for another thread. ;o)

Kirk2NCC1701's picture

Neocons are Bankster agents.  Historically, Banksters have ALWAYS preferred making loans to Aristocratic dictators over Plebeian dictators.

The former will do anything to accommodate Banksters and their long-term rent-seeking lifestyle.  Whereas the latter are prone to favoring the People sooner or later -- because that's where their roots are.  Aristocrats aren't 'burdened' by such morality.

BTW, we all know that 'Neocon' is code for ZioCons.  With ZioLibs being the opposite side of the same globalist Zio-coin.


messystateofaffairs's picture

Let me see if I can summarize this article. The Donald™ naturally possesses a lot views that should give ziocons wet dreams. But The Donald™ also has a bromance going on with Vlad the Bad. That bromance is a deal breaker for thoses zios who really appear to be deeply distressed about Vlad not turning over Russia's considerable assets to them. Makes sense and sounds like a popcorn eating clusterfuck movie to me. Vote The Donald™ and get out the popcorn, I'm pretty sure this movie will not in any way be boring.

the.ghost.of.22wmr's picture
the.ghost.of.22wmr (not verified) Aug 7, 2016 7:36 PM

Scum of a feather flock together.


Nothing confusing about that.

Skiprrrdog's picture

Fucking NeoCunts...

loveyajimbo's picture

I doubt if the Hillapig makes it to the election without a major seizure or stroke... she is extremely ill, mentally and physically.

She may soon be in paradise with the 72 virgins, none of whom will have a sense of smell or mind rancid suet.

blue51's picture

In 5 years or less, hopefully, Soros, Rockefeller, Papa Bush, Brezinski, Queen Elizibeth, Buffet, Hill & Bill, and Kissinger , ..will be dead or drooling .


and allah willing, maybe dickhead cheney's ticker will give up before then.

bugs_'s picture

The neocons are happy to welcome the dems into their big tent.

Jdhank's picture

D-rats have always been about hyper-controlling & manipulating everything (our thoughts, the internet, all resources, schools, media,etc) as well as taxing everything(more-so if it was a political enemy).

Manipulating the *defense industrial complex* is an extension of that all-encompassing, d-rat hyper-control and greatly broadens their power base.
The MITWH clearly got off on using that power, same for Bonny & Clyde Clinton.

Benito_Camela's picture

Right. But the likes of Cheney and Bush could count on your vote in a heartbeat, back in the day, right? 

Sam.Spade's picture

In  word, 'no'. It's not 'Russia'.  Or anything else so mundane.

It's the failure of hierarchies to scale.  When our governments were small and dispersed, with clearly-delineated lines of sovereignty drawn between them in both the vertical and horizontal directions, they were small enough to deal effectively with the problems within their own domains.  But now, with those demarcations removed for all practical purposes by central bank monetary power, all authority is concentrated in Washington, if not in global institutions.  And we see those large political systems failing all over the world because hierarchies do not scale.

We the electorate sense it.  Wanting to regain control of our own lives, we vote for the only candidate that promises to decentralize.  He could otherwise be the devil incarnate, but the need to regain control of our lives is so overwhelming that any defect will be tolerated as long as motion in the right direction is promised.  And that direction is smaller, less intrusive government.

What you see is not some 'Russia' effect, but a re-aligning of our political systems from 'left-right' to 'centralized-decentralized', from Fascism vs Stalinism to totalitarian vs anarchy.

Better get used to it, you nattering nabobs of the media, because it's not going to back off in your lifetimes.

HopefulCynic's picture

Come on!! It is well known that FILTHY, DISGUSTING, INMORAL, Ashkenazi Khazar "Jews" play both sides of the spectrum, this is not news. On one side you have "Conservative" khazars creating extremist and polarising views that give credence to the need for liberalism, so that demoralisation and destruction of identity and culture can occur without opposition, and their substitute be embraced. This way they have control and their immorality becomes the norm, thus their deviant way of life becomes fully accepted. 

This is what they have done for centuries everywhere they have gone. 

Every time people wake up to this FACT, Jews go to ghettos, and after a while, they start to infiltrate governments and institutions through corruption, their bans are lifted and they join society again and destroy it once more. 

I hope this is the last time, and that this time, they are not put on ghettos, but be destroyed. Do I advocate for Genocide? In this instance ABSOLUTELY, they have not learned and they will not learn, meanwhile they get away with their own genocides all over the globe. They are utterly evil and I do not know or care if they believe in SATAN, SHAITAN, the DEVIl or whatever, but their actions and vices are pure EVIL, and they are taught this since they have the ability to communicate, in their schools, institutions, temples, all because their Bavi Talmud.

It is time for humanity to get rid of this killer virus, no more chances, no more opportunities for them to corrupt and hijack what ever they want and kill whom ever they want and impose their vices. KILL ALL ASHKENAZI KHAZARs NOW!!!!!!

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What's up ZH?--  trying to be just like the Justice Dept and SEC, encouraging lawbreakers by not punishing them.

HopefulCynic's picture

They would have to ban more than half of ZH's jut to be a little JUST and you can count yourself in that ban. 

I see that you are against the Bankers, but convenietly forget that over 90% of them are khazars. I also see that you usually ONLY post this kind of stuff when teh word JEW is mentioned, which is revealing to say the least. and like these guys you push both sides of the spectrum. It is also evident, by your attack on free speech that you do not like it, when it concerns tyour kind, well that is what FREE SPEECH is all about. 


cart00ner's picture

Just posted this on another story, seems apprpriate here too....


Borat - Running of the Jew.


cart00ner's picture

You sir are what I/we (red arrow me if not) are against,

every crying, butthurt, minority trying to silence people's freedom of expression.

You presumably welcome your masters to keep you safe, i for one have no master!

Call me whatever you like and i'll deal with it myself, don't need mommy to do it for me.

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mountain99889 (not verified) cart00ner Aug 8, 2016 4:16 AM

Don't be concerned. That guy has a safe place in his mother's basement and he has memorized the telephone number of the Jewish anti-defamation league it's written on his forehead like a tattood Jew in a german concentration camp

besnook's picture

now, now, settle down. watch your manners. you can only say stuff like that about muslims and black people. jews are off limits. that will cause you to lose your job and maybe even get thrown in jail. truth has nothing to do with it even if nuking israel would settle most of the world's terrorism problems.

blue51's picture

You best consider using " put to sleep " instead of kill , when using the internet. lol

HopefulCynic's picture

Hahahaha, It is anger mostly but I do contemplate the option. Your post just made me think that accordding to PC nation and defenders of the Holocaust, Hitler and cronies were the first Political Correct people, since they used the Final Solution and in no document does it say anything about kill, genocide, etc... They do use the word destroy but it is clear it is in another context.


Anyway PC is just double speak. 

Neochrome's picture

Well, now we know that the whole cold war rationale as a fight against communism was a bullshit. From the very start it was a war for global domination, and USSA didn't stop it's march eastward. If you don't have McDonald's in a middle of Siberia, American companies digging and fracking, Russians carrying American credit cards, and Neocons nodding their approval, the war is not over. 

0Theorem's picture

Do not F with Mother Russia.

While we wasted years and million$ on the F35 JSF, which China simply hacked subcontractor plans to and built their own copy of (J31, even J20), our Navy still chases carriers at 6.2B a pop, Trillion$ lost in useless Middle East Wars, and our injured and ailing vets languish in the VA system of horrors...Russia has been modernizing her military with gazprom rubles.


The RS-28 Sarmat ICBM. Don't look this one up unless you like nightmares.

100MT "Status-6" nuclear torpedo - ditto. 

RSM-56 Bulava submarine launched ICBM- in flight evade capabilities with low flight trajectory, can be launched while sub is moving...!

I haven't even touched on Russian Naval Aviation, or Air Force - especially whispered revolutionary ECM technology.

It's anachronistic, and frankly dangerous to continue the 20th century policy of "Cotainment" of Russia by ringing her frontiers with Nato troop brigades and antiballistic systems. Their military is lean, and mean, and smashing ISIL and the Nusra Front CIA supported rebels in Syria.


We truly need a reset with them diplomatically. Not a war, not EVER.



SwiffFiffteh's picture

I like the Russian people. I despise their government. I feel the same about the U.S.

The strength of their weaponry has nothing to do with whether a war should be fought. Nazi Germany had us outgunned and out-scienced in every capacity at the time the US entered the war.

Grandad Grumps's picture

I am hoping that before this is over the REAL power srructure of the world is exposed.

xrxs's picture

The neocons have spilled much blood (not their own, of course) pursuing their various 'projects' around the world, the same projects that Trump is going to walk back. Watching their reaction to this is one aspect of a Turmp presidency to which I'm looking forward.

groundedkiwi's picture

Perhaps all these billionaires, and millionaires are dumping trump because they cannot buy influence from him. Trump does not have a 4 sale sign on him.

RLE's picture

Let’s get it right…William Kristol was the PNAC…”Project for A New American Century”…he was the guy that published the white paper in 2,000 calling for a new Pearl Harbor and giving us 911…he is a traitor and a no good SOB and if he is with Killary, then you know that Killary is no different than he is…Fuck em both...

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mountain99889 (not verified) RLE Aug 8, 2016 4:05 AM

Our media, which is for the purpose of keeping Americans informed, never once told us who these neocons are. It's because our media is the neocons

atthelake's picture

www.drudgereport.com has excellent articles about Killary needing assistance walking, climbing stairs & falling with a great picture of her people helping her up the stairs. The woman looks like she's an invalid.

Benito_Camela's picture

Can you fucking stay on topic? 

atthelake's picture

Go back to your Safe Space.

mountain99889's picture
mountain99889 (not verified) atthelake Aug 8, 2016 4:01 AM

it means she has a bad ticker. Heart goes bad and water fills the lungs. Gack Gack Gack

Skiprrrdog's picture

I fucking hate Illinois NeoCunts ...

honestann's picture

What the article discusses is just a symptom.

More generally the neocons and almost the entire fictitious federal government of the fictitious USSA are open predators.  What I mean is, they've pretty much openly thrown off any vestiges of pretense they are anything but pure predators.  No ethics whatsoever.  No honesty whatsoever.

To be clear, producers (what most people used to call "civilized human beings") have ethics.

To be equally clear, predators have absolutely no ethics.  But they do have a modus-operandi, which is essentially "get away with whatever you want, and think you can get away with".

When a producer needs or wants some good/goodie, they create/produce that good/goodie.  Or more often, they create/produce some other good/goodie to exchange for the good/goodie they need or want.

When a predator needs or wants some good/goodie, they do not create/produce/trade, but instead take whatever destructive actions most easily and safely get them the good/goodie.


Until fairly recently human predators at least pretend to be "civilized".  In fact, they typically pretend to be the defenders of civilization against predators, whether the predators are "street thugs" or "thugs in charge of foreign nations".

Of course, this characterization has never been true.  NEVER.

The neocons of today are predators, and openly so.

The liberals of today are predators, and often openly so.

The democrats of today are predators, and often openly so.

The republicans of today are predators, but often pretend otherwise.

The conservatives of today are predators, but often pretend otherwise.

In other words, every well-known "official" position today is pro-predator.

And so, concerning their own beliefs and positions, neocons tend to be the most honest and conservatives tend to be the most dishonest.  SICK.

Note how neocons simply PRESUME WITHOUT QUESTION OR DISCUSSION their approach of "benefit oursevles at the expense of all others".  That is precisely the modus-operandi of predators stated above, simply converted into other words that mean the same.  Why is Russia bad?  Because THEY ARE NOT US.  Because THEY DO NOT LIE DOWN AND LET US DOMINATE AND DESTROY THEM.  And who are the allies of neocons?  ANYONE WHO WILL LIE DOWN, COMPLY TO NEOCON ORDERS, AND LET NEOCONS DOMINATE AND DESTROY THEM.  For example, members of NATO, most especially the EU who gets ZERO benefit from being dominated by the USSA/neocons who are in the process of actively destroying them.  The EU gains nothing by bombing endless innocents (and USSA-created terrorists) in the mid-east.  The EU gains nothing by imposing sanctions on the likes of Russia, Iran, etc.  The EU are prey to the neocon/USSA predators.

Why would anyone willingly be prey, willingly be dominated, willingly be destroyed?

The answer is simple.  They don't understand the real nature of the world.  They have not made the correct fundamental identifications of what is happening and what are the fundamental modes of behavior for living organisms, including humans (predator, parasite, producer).  And because they don't know how to think, they are driven along by the generalized push of abject confusion around them (all the other clueless human prey).  Of course their fictitious "leaders" know better (to varying degrees of clarity), but they are bought-and-very-well-paid-for by the top-level predators-that-be (neocons, USSA, oligarchs).

Just look at what passes for political conversation these days.  Listen to 1000 discussions of Russia or Putin, and count on zero to one hand how many discussions include basic facts about the behavior of Putin/Russia versus neocons/USSA during the past decade or two.  And count on zero to one finger how many of those discussions include any consideration of what IS appropriate behavior!

Even in ZH, which is an extreme outlier on the axis of being willing to entertain such discussions, serious discussions are usually absent or superficial.

And so, what's the point?  The answer is... probably none.  When so few humans are interested or willing to identify and discuss fundamentals, overall progress is impossible.  Fact is, the primary reason the status-quo hates Trump is... because once in a while he mentions topics that might lead to useful discussions.  Honest discussions of important topics cannot be tolerated, and so, Trump must be ridiculed and avoided at all costs.

The only two mainstream political positions are:
  - honest predators
  - dishonest predators

Which only goes to show, humans are a failed species.

Hopefully a few of us will be able to escape and move on to greater endeavors.