'Not My Fault!' Merkel Claims Islamic Terrorism Existed In Germany Before Refugee Influx

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In a somewhat stunningly desperate effort to change the narrative (after being hit by numerous recent terror attacks claimed by ISIS), German Chancellor Angela Merkel proclaimed today that "islamist terror in Germany wasn't imported with refugees" adding that "terror existed in Germany before the refugee influx." Roughly translated, this Junckerian "don't blame me" lie is the latest effort to regain some public support in her nation (which has plummeted), continuing to position anti-immigrant sentiment as the biggest danger.

Some facts before we shift to Merkel's commentary (via Gatestone Institute):

  • Figures released in July by Destatis, the government's statistics agency, showed that more than 2.1 million people migrated to Germany in 2015.
  • More than 33,000 migrants who are supposed to be deported are still in Germany and are being cared for by German taxpayers. Many of the migrants destroyed their passports and are believed to have lied about their countries of origin to make it impossible for them to be deported. Others have gone into hiding so that immigration police cannot find them.
  • An investigative report by Bavarian Radio BR24 found that deradicalization programs in Germany are failing, because many Salafists do not want to become deradicalized.
  • "My impression is that we all underestimated a year ago what was in store for us with this big refugee and migration movement. Integration is a Herculean task that does not end with a three-week language course." — Jens Spahn, CSU politician.

But, as Reuters reports, Merkel pushed back against those who linked recent extremist-inspired terrorist attacks in Europe with refugees who have reached the continent.

Chancellor Angela Merkel said on Wednesday refugees had not brought terrorism to Germany, adding that Islam belonged in the country as long as it was practiced in a way that respected the constitution.


More than a million people fleeing war and poverty in the Middle East, Africa and elsewhere arrived in Germany last year. The mood towards them has soured after a spate of attacks on civilians last month, including three carried out by migrants.


Two of those attacks were claimed by the Islamic State militant group.


"The phenomenon of Islamist terrorism, of IS, is not a phenomenon that came to us with the refugees," Merkel said at an election campaign event for her Christian Democrats in the eastern state of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern ahead of a regional vote on Sept. 4.


Merkel said many people had traveled from Germany to Syria for training with Islamist militants. In June Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere said a total of more than 800 were believed to have gone to Syria and Iraq.


"This group has worried us for several years," she said at the event in Neustrelitz, a town 100 km (60 miles) north of Berlin.

The data says otherwise...


Merkel's popularity has suffered in the wake of the attacks and 52 percent of Germans think her migrant policy is bad, a poll published last week showed. And her popularity this week was not helped as The Express reports, asylum seekers in Germany are refusing to undertake work to counteract boredom - using Chancellor Angela Merkel’s generous hospitality as an excuse.

According to mayor Bernd Pohlers of the eastern town of Saxony Waldenburg, the asylum seekers refused to accept the work that was offered to them after they arrived in the country.


The local council spent £600 arranging for the men to have uniforms but were stunned when they were told they would not complete it because they were "guests of Angela Merkel".


While asylum seekers are not allowed to work under immigration rules within the EU, they are allowed to do voluntary work.


However officials in the district of Zwickau came up with a plan to help encourage those without employment to get back to work and to help them become more accepted within the local community.


In order to do this they created voluntary jobs which included a nominal payment of £18 for 20 hours work.


But all of the male residents of the local refugee accommodation who initially agreed to get involved in the charitable activities quit after discovering there was a minimum wage £7.30 (€8.50) in Germany.


The men had been picked up and offered transportation from their paid-for housing where they are also given food and then dropped home.


Mayor Pohlers said: "It was subsequently argued by these people that they are guests of Mrs. Merkel and guests do not have to work.


"Furthermore, they were of the opinion that there is a minimum wage (€8.50) in Germany, and that this had to be paid by the City Waldenburg."

The influx of migrants, many of whom are Muslim, has boosted support for the anti-immigrant Alternative for Germany (AfD).

As The Washington Post concludes, Merkel's responses suggest that she views anti-immigrant sentiment as potentially dangerous, too.

Germany has a long history of far-right attacks, and many far-right groups have adopted fervently anti-Muslim or anti-migrant views. The Islamic State itself has published scores of texts that attack refugees who abandon its self-proclaimed caliphate; the group seems to relish any opportunity to stoke anti-refugee sentiment in Europe.


Merkel's appearance at the campaign event may also have been a pushback against the rhetoric of the Alternative for Germany party that is expected to do well in upcoming regional elections in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern.

Although it is pretty clear from her vice-chancellor's words following protest at a 2015 Merkel visit just what they think of the "vermin that must be jailed" Germans who disagree with theur immigration policies...

Finally, by way of reference, here is what the month of July 2016 looked like in Germany from a multicultural perspective...(via Gatestone Institute):

July 1. A court in Bavaria ruled that a law that prohibits Muslim legal trainees from wearing headscarves is illegal. The district court in Augsburg ruled in favor of Aqilah Sandhu, a 25-year-old law student who filed a lawsuit against the state for barring her from wearing the headscarf at public appearances in court while performing legal training. The ruling said there was no legal basis for the restriction and "no formal law that obligates legal interns to a neutral worldview or a religious neutrality." Bavarian Justice Minister Winfried Bausback, arguing that legal officials as well as trainees in the court needed to present the appearance of impartiality, said he would appeal the ruling.

July 3. A 24-year-old woman, raped by three migrants in Mannheim in January, admitted to lying about the identity of her attackers. Selin Gören, a Turkish-German woman, initially said that her attackers were German nationals, when in fact they were Muslim migrants. In an interview with Der Spiegel, Gören, the spokeswoman of Germany's left-wing youth movement, Solid, said she lied because she was afraid of fueling racism against migrants.

July 4. The newspaper, Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, reported that the 30 biggest German companies listed on the DAX blue-chip stock market index have employed only 54 refugees, including 50 who were hired as couriers by the logistics provider, Deutsche Post. The report casts doubt on Chancellor Angela Merkel's promise to integrate the 1.1 million migrants who arrived in Germany in 2015 into the German labor market as quickly as possible. Company executives say the main problem is that migrants lack professional qualifications and German language skills.

July 4. A court in Frankfurt sentenced a 35-year-old German-Turkish Salafist to two-and-a half-years in prison for weapons possession, but absolved him of charges relating to terrorism. Halil D. was originally accused of plotting to attack a bicycle race in Frankfurt. At the time of his arrest, police found an arsenal of weapons, including a pipe bomb, in his basement. Halil D. claimed he built the bomb to spring open the contents of a cigarette vending machine. Police also found Islamic State propaganda videos, as well as copies of Dabiq, the Islamic State's online magazine, on his computer. At the time of his arrest, Halil D. said: "I believe in the Sharia. German laws do not apply to me." The court said there was insufficient proof that Halil D. was a terrorist.

Halil D. was accused of plotting to attack a bicycle race in Frankfurt. At the time of his arrest, German police found an arsenal of weapons, including a pipe bomb, in his basement, as well as Islamic State propaganda materials on his computer. The court said there was insufficient proof that Halil D. was a terrorist.

July 7. The Bundestag, the lower house of parliament, unanimously approved changes to the criminal code to expand the definition of rape and make it easier to deport migrants who commit sex crimes. Under the bill, also known as the "No Means No" ("Nein heißt Nein") law, any form of non-consensual sex will now be punishable as a crime. Previously, the only cases punishable under German law were those in which the victims could show that they physically resisted their attackers. As Germany's politically correct justice system, is notoriously lenient when it comes to prosecuting, sentencing and deporting foreign offenders, however, the reforms are unlikely to end Germany's migrant rape epidemic.

July 7. More than six months after mobs of Muslim men sexually assaulted more than 1,000 women in Cologne and other German cities on New Year's Eve, a German court issued the first two convictions: The District Court of Cologne gave a 20-year-old Iraqi, identified only as Hussain A., and a 26-year-old Algerian, Hassan T., a one-year suspended sentence and then released both men. Hussain, who was 20 at the time, was sentenced under juvenile law and was ordered to attend an integration course and do 80 hours of community service. The newspaper, Bild, published photographs of a jubilant Hassan smiling as he left the courtroom. An observer said the light sentence was a mockery of justice and would serve as an invitation for criminal migrants to do as they please with German women.

July 8. Teachers at the Kurt Tucholsky secondary school in Hamburg boycotted this year's graduation ceremony to protest a Muslim student who refused to shake hands with a female staff member. The school's director Andrea Lüdtke, sided with the student: "I accept his decision," she said. A German columnist, Heike Klovert, defended Lüdtke by arguing that teachers should not be tasked with integrating students:

"She took her Muslim student seriously. She did not try to bend him to adapt to a supposedly German way of doing things. She understands that respect is not dependent upon a handshake, and that not everyone who does not want to shake hands is a misogynist extremist."

July 10. A Federal Criminal Police Agency (BKA) inquiry into the sex attacks in Cologne, Hamburg, Stuttgart, Düsseldorf and other German cities on New Year's Eve found that more than 1,200 women were victims of attacks, which were perpetrated by more than 2,000 men, many of whom are believed to be from North Africa. BKA President Holger Münch admitted: "There is a relationship between the attacks and the strong wave of migration in 2015."

July 10. More than a hundred Shia Muslims took to the streets of Bonn to commemorate the death of Ali, the cousin and son-in-law of Mohammed. Ali was assassinated in 661. Evoking scenes from seventh century Iraq, 130 shirtless men, hypnotically beating their chests and chanting to beating drums, wound their way through downtown Bonn for more than five hours (pictures here). Local health officials reminded doctors they had a legal responsibility to treat anyone with self-inflicted injuries.

July 11. In a new survey, the Pew Research Center found that 61% of Germans believe the recent influx of refugees will "increase the likelihood of terrorism in our country." The survey also found that 61% of Germans believe Muslims in their country "want to be distinct from the larger society."

July 13. The Platanus-Schule, a private bilingual school in Berlin, apologized to a Muslim imam after a teacher at the school called him "misogynistic" and "ill-adapted to German life" because he refused to shake her hand. The imam's lawyer said the apology was insufficient; critics accused the school of "capitulating" and endangering the principle of gender equality in Germany. CDU politician Philipp Lengsfeld wrote on Twitter: "The essence of the handshake debate is not about religion or an individual's opinion, it is about the authority of the state and gender equality."

July 14. Figures released by Destatis, the government's statistics agency, showed that more than 2.1 million people migrated to Germany in 2015. More than 633,000 arrived from Asia, including 309,000 from Syria, 84,000 from Afghanistan and 65,000 from Iraq. More than 113,000 migrants arrived from Africa.

July 14. During a parliamentary investigation into the migrant sex attacks in Cologne on New Year's Eve, it was revealed that one of the women who was raped became pregnant. She failed to report the attack to police because she felt ashamed.

July 14. Ruprecht Polenz, a former secretary general of the ruling Christian Democratic Union (CDU), said that the German law which regulates name changes (Namensrecht) should be amended to make it easier for Muslim migrants in Germany who feel discriminated against to change their legal names to Christian-sounding ones. German law generally does not allow foreigners to change their names to German ones, and German courts rarely approve such petitions. By custom and practice, German names are only for Germans.

July 15. At least 24 women were sexually assaulted at a music festival in Bremen. The attacks were similar to the "taharrush gamea" [collective harassment] attacks in Cologne on New Year's Eve. Police have been able to identify only five perpetrators, all of whom are migrants from Afghanistan. Harald Lührs, the lead investigator for sex crimes in Bremen said: "We have never experienced such massive attacks in Bremen. That groups of men surround women in order to grope them, this has never happened here in this magnitude. This is a new problem that the police have to deal with."

July 16. A document leaked to the newsmagazine, Der Spiegel, revealed that more than 33,000 migrants who are supposed to be deported are still in Germany and are being cared for by German taxpayers. Many of the migrants destroyed their passports and are believed to have lied about their countries of origin to make it impossible for them to be deported. Others have gone into hiding so that immigration police cannot find them.

July 17. An investigative report by Bavarian Radio BR24 found that deradicalization programs in Germany are failing because many Salafists do not want to become deradicalized. The report also showed that many jihadists who have returned to Germany from Iraq and Syria are producing propaganda videos for the Islamic State.

July 18. An Afghan asylum seeker wielding an axe was shot dead by police after he injured five people on a train in Würzburg. The man shouted "Allahu Akbar" ["Allah is the Greatest"] during the attack. Green Party MP Renate Künast criticized the police for using lethal force. In a tweet, she wrote: "Why could the attacker not have been incapacitated without killing him???? Questions!" Künast's comments provoked a furious backlash, with many accusing her of showing more sympathy for the perpetrator than for the victims. The outpouring of anger against Künast indicates that Germans have had enough of their politically correct politicians.

July 18. Lutz Bachmann, the leader of the anti-migration Pegida movement, announced the formation of a political party, Popular Party for Freedom and Direct Democracy (Freiheitlich Direktdemokratische Volkspartei, FDDV). The move is in response to government threats to ban the Pegida movement.

July 19. Three teenage jihadists who bombed a Sikh temple in Essen on April 16 were formally charged with attempted murder, aggravated assault and "bringing about an explosion." The teenagers, who said they were upset about the way Muslims are being treated by Sikhs in Northern India, were not charged with terrorism offenses.

July 19. The managers of a German Red Cross refugee shelter in Potsdam were accused of covering up the sexual abuse of women at the facility.

July 20. The Federal Labor Office (Bundesagentur für Arbeit, BA) reported that the educational level of newly arrived migrants in Germany is far lower than expected: only a quarter have a high school diploma, while three quarters have no vocational training at all. Only 4% of new arrivals to Germany are highly qualified.

July 22. Ali Sonboly, an 18-year-old Iranian-German who harbored hatred for Arabs and Turks, killed ten people (including himself) and wounded 35 others at a McDonald's in Munich.

July 23. A mob of men shouting "Allahu Akbar" barged into a nudist beach in Xanten and "insulted and threatened" the beachgoers. Police kept the incident hidden, apparently to avoid negative media coverage of Muslims "in these sensitive times."

July 24. Mohammed Daleel, a 27-year-old migrant from Syria whose asylum application was rejected, injured 15 people when he blew himself up at a concert in Ansbach. The suicide bombing was the first in Germany attributed to the Islamic State. Daleel had fought with the Islamic State and al-Qaeda in Iraq before coming to Germany. In a cellphone video made before the attack, Daleel vowed that Germans "will not be able to sleep peacefully anymore." Although German authorities had tried to deport Daleel in early 2016, the effort was blocked by German Left Party MP Harald Weinberg, who demanded that Daleel get medical care for a knee injury. "After everything I knew at that time, I would decide the same today," Weinberg told the newspaper Bild.

July 24. A 21-year-old Syrian asylum-seeker murdered a 45-year-old Polish woman and her unborn baby in a machete attack in Reutlingen.

July 24. A 40-year-old migrant from Eritrea raped a 79-year-old woman in a cemetery in Ibbenbüren. The woman, who lives in a local nursing home, was visiting the grave of her late sister at 6AM when the attack occurred. The migrant, who has been living as a refugee in Germany since 2013, was arrested at the scene. He is unlikely to be deported, however, because Eritrea is considered a conflict zone.

July 25. A 45-year-old Palestinian brandishing a "Rambo knife" and shouting "Allahu Akbar" tried to behead a doctor in Bonn. The attacker's 19-year-old son had complained about the doctor's treatment for a fractured leg. While holding the doctor down on the floor, the man said: "Apologize to my son. Go down on your knees and kiss his hand." The attacker was arrested and then set free.

July 25. Sahra Wagenknecht, the leader of the Left Party (Die Linke), lashed out at Merkel's open-door migration policy:

"The events of the past few days show that the acceptance and integration of a large number of refugees and migrants presents significant problems. It is much more difficult than Merkel tried to persuade us last fall with her reckless 'We can do it' ['Wir schaffen das'].


The government must now do everything possible to ensure that people in our country can feel safe again."

July 25. Frank Henkel, a CDU Senator from Berlin, said:

"No one should delude themselves: We obviously have imported some brutal people who are capable of committing barbaric crimes in our country. We have to say this clearly and without taboos. This also means that we must deal aggressively with Islamism. If we do not, we risk that German politics will be perceived as being detached from reality."

July 25. Interior Minister Thomas de Maizière revealed that German authorities are currently investigating 59 refugees because of the "suspicion that they are involved in terrorist structures."

July 25. Following a series of Islam-related attacks in a week, the President of Bavaria, Horst Seehofer, said: "We must know who is in our country."

July 26. Seehofer, said: "Islamist terrorism has arrived in Germany."

July 27. Police raided a mosque in Hildesheim. They also searched eight apartments belonging to members of the mosque. Boris Pistorius, the interior minister of Lower Saxony, said: "The mosque in Hildesheim is a national hot-spot for the radical Salafist scene. After months of preparation, with these raids today, we have taken an important step towards banning the group."

July 27. Police in Ludwigsburg arrested a 15-year-old who they said was planning a mass-shooting similar to the July 22 attack in Munich. During a search of the teenager's home, police found more than 300 rounds of ammunition, as well as knives, chemicals and bullet-proof vests.

July 28. Speaking at an annual summer press conference in Berlin, Merkel insisted there would be no change to her open-door migration stance: "We decided to fulfill our humanitarian tasks. Refusing humanitarian support would be something I would not want to do and I would not recommend this to Germany.... Anxiety and fear cannot guide our political decisions." She also said: "Let me be clear, we are at war with Islamic State; we are not at war with Islam."

July 29. Thomas Jahn, the vice chairman of the Christian Social Union (CSU), lambasted Merkel's open-door migration policy: "We need to control our borders. That is the most important thing at the moment. And we need to send the dangerous people with Islamist ideology back to the countries outside Europe and the European Union."

July 30. CSU politician Jens Spahn said: "My impression is that we all underestimated a year ago what was in store for us with this big refugee and migration movement. Integration is a Herculean task that does not end with a three-week language course." He also called for a burqa ban: "A ban on the full body veil — that is the niqab and the burka — is overdue... I do not want to have to encounter any burqa in this country. In that sense, I am a burqaphobe."

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But yeah, apart from the surge in Islamist terror incidents, the spike in rapes, and the collapse in societal support, everything is awesome for Merkel's immigration policies...

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wisehiney's picture

Not even efficient nor precise.

Physically sturdy and not at all appealing.

Not at all one of hitlers heroines.

In the best sense.

See any spark in those dead eyes?

Like an overworked HO.

Same thing, no?


Haus-Targaryen's picture

Looking forward to Ukraine turning into a shitshow again, and Angie can tell us why the Muzzies are welcome in Germany without end, but the Ukies are not.  

I need this collapse to happen soon.  6 - 8 weeks would be ideal, but I'll take what I can get.  When the free shit dries up for the muzzies and the domestic populations, that is when the Muzzies show their colors and things get "fixed." 

Bokkenrijder's picture

Siegmar Gabriel (Germany's Vice Chancellor) was probably referring to the people that raided a meeting and called him a traitor: http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/sigmar-gabriel-zeigt-rechten-p...

p.s. the video appeared on an AFA ("Anti-FAccist") Youtube Channel called "AFA kampfausbildung" (AFA combat training) so I wouldn't be surprised if they staged this protest themselves in order to tarnish anyone critical of Germany's governmental handling of the refugee crisis.

What we're seeing here is militant and extreme left wing radicals dictating the agenda, and the German mainstream media and politicians are giving them free reign under the motto "the enemy of my enemy (i.e. anyone critical of the rapefugee crisis) is my friend."

I guess no revival of The New Cold War 2.0 is complete without the revival of a new Rote Armee Fraktion, RAF, but this time with the full blessing of the German government and establishment!

Haus-Targaryen's picture

AntiFa are perhaps the most vile group of people in Western politics.  More a para-military organization than a political movement, they are Marxists in the purest sense of the word, they are extremely violent and highly intelligent.  They are the German BLM/Weather Underground rolled together. The new Bolsheviks.   

These people, once the collapse comes will be uncontrollable.  

These people should never be given quarter or support.  I peel off their stupid stickers everywhere I see them.  

Fuck Antifa.  

Mike Masr's picture

In today's world if you love your country you are labelled a fascist, bigot and a racist. The globalists, the US Neocon's and NWO control the foreign policy and the MSM of the Western nations. This is why Trump is painted as a bigot and a racist by our USA MSM. George Soros is just the public face, the puppet for this evil fucking cabal that hides in the shadows. Our MSM is nothing but the official (propaganda) narrative of the Globalists, NWO and the neocons. This bullshit they feed us is manipulated facts, twisted stories, distortions and omitted news coverage. We need to vote these globalist, NWO, warmongering neocon fucking jerks out of office. We need a free press. Obama, Hillary, Merkel, and Hollande have got to go! We need Trump in the US and France needs Marine Le Pen!  

Boris Alatovkrap's picture

Like washup toothless whore wander through darken alley, stumble looking for just one more fix of meth or crack, before consumption by festering open sore that is smell of rotting egg.

Vatican_cameo's picture


They are still trying to push the "Sympathy" narrative here.  The MSM is all over a video of a 5 year-old that survived a bombing in Syria.  We are supposed to swallow the fact that this child represent the vast majority of the Muzzie Refugee influx.  Show all the kids you want, they aren't responsible for all the rapes and assaults throughout Europe (at least not without a small step-ladder).  Merkel much like the DNC, is looking for "Any Port in a Storm" and is willing to cling to anything for personal Salvation.  Little does she know her ass is about to get Blitzkrieged.

new game's picture

not a duck, quack, quack. lol.

Infocat's picture

Our occupation governments will destroy us if we don´t stop them: http://www.truthjustice.net/politics/an-occupied-country/

Mareka's picture

Time for Nuremburg Two.

Or maybe it should be titled Nuremburg Reloaded.

doctor10's picture

this hausfrau clearly has found herself in a pay grade that exceeds her comprehensions and abilities.

so because "its always been there" she doesn't have to do anything about it? it wasn't written down in her "job description" somewhere?

css1971's picture

Democracy is the theory that the people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.

Baron of Stormhaven's picture

+1000 for the H.L. Mencken quote

Haus-Targaryen's picture

Most of these "refugees" are nothing but walking, talking, self combusting stomachs with a dick.  I've been saying for over a year now, this only ends one way ... lots of dead people.  

I stick by my assumption. 

Sandmann's picture

Democracy is what you tell soldiers about who never had the chance to vote for the regime sending them to war.........check voting qualifications 1914 and compare with 1920  and then compare 1938 with 1947

debtor of last resort's picture

40+% still supports this. Add another 6 m third world savages until they ALL wake up.

Lore's picture

It's too late.  Europe is ruined.  Soros and his fellow pathocrats have undone three centuries of progress. 

Aleksi22's picture

I bet they thought it was done in the Dark Ages. What period subsequently followed?

cookies anyone's picture

they should take that fat fuck of vice-chancellor and make tons of wurst for the poor rapeugees - problem solved

Ghordius's picture

Facts? from the Gatestone Institute? sure /S

interesting graph, though. have a good, hard look at it. terrorism is nothing new, in Europe. the only somewhat new thing is this kind of hysterical approach in faux reports about it, be it from a more American or a more Russian perspective and narrative

nope, there is little evidence for desperation in the chancellor's narrative, and a lot of fudging in the Gatestone narrative to keep even a semblance of coherence. it does not need much of it, note, then those who lap this stuff up do not have to be convinced about anything, they already have their inprinted gospel-ish propaganda

shutterbug's picture

You are FULL of Bullshit.

Terrorism in Europe was non-existent before muslims started it here. And Merkel definitely has problems with her voters...

You are one of the very rare Merkel supporters??

Haus-Targaryen's picture


Your logical is flawed. 

Terrorism has been in Europe for millennia.  Correct.  Islamic terrorism in Europe is something fairly new, well at least since the 17th Century when the Poles slaughtered them at the gates of Vienna.  

What we don't need/want is a policy that brings in Islamic terrorism to supplement the terrorism we already have here.  

Terrorism in Europe isn't new.  Islamic terrorism in Europe is.  These are the facts.  You can accept them as such and form policy around reality, or continue to ignore them.  Looking forward to the MeckPom elections next month.  We need another couple head choppers and they'll be running the show up there. 

Read an internal circulation from them, because they cannot deport "refugees" they will "encourage" them to leave by terminating internet access at all refugee shelters.  They'll be more or less cut off.  Lots of good talking points to back that up (cost of internet at these places, used to import IS propaganda, etc., etc.,). 


Ghordius's picture

ok, I'll pick just this one, here and today:
"...they cannot deport..."
2014, Germany deported some 13'000
2015, the number was around 37'000

Haus-Targaryen's picture

Show me Germany deported 37,000 people from the Middle Eastern and North African "refugees".

That figure includes students overstaying visas, Ukranians seeking asylum, people overstaying workers permits, etc., etc.,

I want to know how many of these people got deported IN TOTAL in 2015.

Everything I've read is only in the thousands (less than 10k), and exact figures of how many were deported against their will are even more scarce, as the Bund groups forced deportations and "refugee status sucks send me home" people together as deportations. 

You can do better.  This is disappointing. 

Ghordius's picture

Haus, have a hard look at the newest word creation of Germany's federal police minister: "Gefährder"

now consider a possible future where in Germany, whoever is considered a "danger-bringing" person by his ministry is slapped with a tracking (and possibly bugging, later) device

this blog *used* to be the home of people that were very high on Liberty, remember?

Haus-Targaryen's picture

And people are trading in their peace and liberty daily for the sake of political correctness.  

Such new ministry will be used extensivly to go after AfD, NPD, Republikaner usw. usf., and any time one gets slapped on a Muzzie the whole Germany media establishment will explode in "racism, islamaphobia, blah blah blah." 

There is a war coming Ghordo.  It isn't going to be Berlin v Moscow this time.  It is going to be Western Society feeding on itself. Its going to be horrible.  Those people that want to change the way things are for the sake of change and not necessarily improvement (think "progressives, Leftists, Grüne, etc., etc.,") have no one to blame but themselves.  

I look foward to it.  

Ghordius's picture

Haus, I personally see Russia as part of Western Society, and the whole Cold War as part of this "feeding on itself", an appendix to WWI and WWII

for my perspective, the war is not coming... because the "the war" has never stopped, just shifted shape

Sandmann's picture

last sentence I agree with

Sandmann's picture

Germany is incompetent. It is a failed state and frankly is incapable. There is no love of Liberty in Berlin and they would happily rebuilt the GDR

Haus-Targaryen's picture

I would hold off on that -- there is a love of liberty there and things that are clean, orderly and beautiful.  

The problem is the media in Germany (and especially in Berlin) glorifies the ugly, disorganized dirty and poor.  For some reason the early 90s in Berlin has been romanticized as opposed to Berlin in the 1920s

Germany, perhaps more than any other country in the world needs a good dose of poverty to either 1) finish it off or 2) knock some sense back into the population. 

I think we'll get the opportunity to see what happens in fairly short order.  

Ghordius's picture

aren't you gloryfying poverty, too, with your "...needs a good dose of poverty..."?

poverty is disorganized and dirty and... period

imo you are possibly hinting at the phenomenon of the non-poor ignorant drifting on an ocean of information they can't drink properly from

Sandmann's picture

He means Germans are egotistical, lazy and contemptuous of the rest of Europe on whose misery they currently base their complacent "success". They cannot see they were able to ride on the back of an undervalued D-Mark/Euro rate and build export surpluses and then direct exports to China and when that turned down towards the USA......or that most of those exports are a 19th century technology, motor cars

Sandmann's picture

Germany will get poverty. It is only a short period of German history where Germany was not poor. Basically 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, 1990s - after that Germany was only on a par with Taiwan in per capita terms. The huge national debt used to pretend Germans have a good life is hardly being invested in infrastructure or schools or repairs



Germany is always a disaster when run from Berlin. In Merkel's life Germany was always run from Berlin

Sandmann's picture

Germany has a HUGE backlog of rejected asylum-seekers who are not deported. Even the EU Commission has castigated Germany.


 2015 gab es laut Bundesinnenministerium 20.888 Abschiebungen - etwa doppelt so viele wie im Jahr zuvor.  So your figure of 37,000 is incorrect.

Not all those coming in to germany apply for Asylum. 130,000 have gone AWOL. The Nafris simply do crime in Dortmund and Cologne and NRW in general

Ghordius's picture

correct. and if I read correctly the newest German laws being proposed, the very "AWOL" state will be used against them

you really like to pick on small details, don't you? the key thing was "double the amount of the year before", but you wrote that... in German

how about "every year, Germany deports double the amount then the year before"? it would be correct, using your figures

care to make a bet on the final number for 2016? or for 2017? that "incompetent, inefficient state" you see (below) is... slow and ponderous

as a reminder, the thread started with "cannot deport". to which I answer: will possibly become "the world champion of deportations"

but first, Sweden has to be beaten. what is your number of deportations from there? 80'000 was the target, if memory does not fail me

if this would be a serious article in a seriously truth-seeking blog, we'd be discussing under an article where all countries would be listed according to their contribution to world deportation numbers

and who knows, some blokes in W might then even be talking about a "deportation gap" to be filled

Sandmann's picture

Funny !

I do not believe BAMF or De Maziere at all. They had plenty of warning about what was happening - 2 years ago and even earlier. They took no measures beyond reducing police numbers and failing to upgrade equipment. The Special Police units were denied replacement helicopters after two crashed. They still have low-grade body armour. They have HK pistols because SIG-Sauer now manufactures in USA rather than Europe.

The whole priorities are wrong. They cannot deport because they eat their papers. The Nafris don't go home because noone wants them. 

Subliminal messenger's picture

The mass sexual harrassment is new though or are you going to make a comparison to Berlin 1945 to show me that organized rape is nothing new in Europe either?

Shemp 4 Victory's picture


Facts? from the Gatestone Institute? sure

I have to agree with Ghordius on this point. If the situation in Deutschland is so dire, there must be other sources to which one can turn for confirmation. The Gatestoned Institution has repeatedly revealed itself as nothing more than a cloaca of clinically deranged neocon propaganda.

Sandmann's picture

Ghordius, you are off the wall. What terrorism are you thinking of ? Brigatte Rosse ? That was Gladio using the demented fools as cover. Baader-Meinhoff ? That was a woman with a brain tumour and active GDR support. they were terminated in Stammheim.  

The difference is this is random and psychotic. They have imported low IQ types with mental illnesses who have NEVER worked or behaved other than as street thugs. It is a fight for territory. the Euro Terrorists other than Basques or IRA never fought for territory. This time it is one of those fights the people in the early 20th Century understood that countries with high birth rates would export their excess to countries with lower birth rates and higher level of income.

It is how the human condition becomes equalised into Law of One Price



Ghordius's picture

Sandmann, if you are questioning the graph Tyler provided, then do write so

there is a kind of regression to the simplistic meme of "it was all Gladio" here that comes always back. is it because it is so dear to Moscow's point of view?

again. the graph. I did not provide it, ZH did. is it false? if not, is it "all Gladio", coupled with "a few demented that were terminated"?

Sandmann's picture

I ignored Tyler's graph....it is meaningless. We know that Bologna was Gladio and P2 and we know Aldo Moro was Gladio. We know some of the Turkish bombings were CIA. We also know the IRA was thoroughly infiltrated by FRU and MI5 and that quite possibly McGuinness was a British agent. We know from the NSU affair that the LVS in Thuringen had its own V-man inside as in the case of most right-wing groupings in Germany.

The fact is language is one of the greatest impediments to Germans keeping tabs on Lebanese gangs, Kurdish gangs and Turkish gangs even before Merkel opened the gates. The Belgians are useless and so surprisingly are the French, they must have Arabic speakers. 

They have imported Nihilism

Ghordius's picture

yes, they might have imported Nihilism

meanwhile, some countries are still busy producing more of it, for both domestic and foreign consumption

meanwhile, great swathes of ZH readers are consumers of that stuff

shutterbug's picture

Merkel brought terrorism to Germany. But she lies about it now.

Cliton is as corrupt as they come. But she lies about it now.

Obama is a fake and made fake promises. But he lies about it now...


See the picture developing? It's time that those people are judged for their wrong doings....

beijing expat's picture

Merkel is there as a NWO agent. Remember how the MSM was 100% behind her campaign, and to this day only speak of her in fawning terms. Remember the NSA bugging her phone and she only complained because remaining silent would have raised suspicions. Remember how she fulfilled Washingtons orders on Ukraine and Russia even though her intelligence services were telling her it was all complete bullshit?

At every critical juncture, Merkel has failed Germany and its people. At every critical juncture Merkel has delivered for the banks, and for the empire.

Jtrillian's picture

"The buck stops here!" - Harry S. Truman

When the policies that the leaders make lead to negative impacts, then those leaders should absolutely be held accountable.  The problem with the greatest mass migration since WWII is that there is not an efficient screening process to identify would-be terrorists or other criminals.  It is a Trojan horse scenario in the making otherwise.  Not sure when immigration ever got confused with providing unfettered access for  any/all immigrants.  This is not how immigration is supposed to work.  But then again, common sense and reason appears to have abaondoned the corrupt ruling class some time ago. 


CaliforniaRecipe's picture

Uhm, when those immigrants are forced to leave a pile of rubble that was once their home.

Western intervention in the middle east has only served to unstabalize the region.

Say what you want about the jihadi's. They never meddled in anyone's affairs but their own. Jihadi's have never caused mass exodus of people.

Ladies and gentlemen, it is Western civilization's bombs that are creating the refugees.

How about the bombing stops.

CaliforniaRecipe's picture

Uhm, when those immigrants are forced to leave a pile of rubble that was once their home.

Western intervention in the middle east has only served to unstabalize the region.

Say what you want about the jihadi's. They never meddled in anyone's affairs but their own. Jihadi's have never caused mass exodus of people.

Ladies and gentlemen, it is Western civilization's bombs that are creating the refugees.

How about the bombing stops.

Sandmann's picture

Crap. The Jihadis are Chechen, Uighur, Libyan - so what are they doing in Syria ?

The ones coming into Germany are Afghan, Pakistani, Tunisian, Moroccan, Nigerian, Algerian and many are from prisons. Others pay to get in cluthching their Smartphones but losing their ID papers because that is what the flyer from Soros tells them to do

East Indian's picture

Putin can signal Erdogan to open the floodgates and release one million more "refugees" into Europe; all the Europaen countries will direct the flow to Germany. Merkel will lose her job.


But it is all in Putin's hand.

Merkel has erred about Putin's determiniation to fight the US 'pivot'.