As Turkey "Considers Military Cooperation" With Russia, US Said To Move Nukes Out Of Turkey

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Over the past month, ever since the "failed" Turkish coup, there has been a dramatic, and surprising, deterioration in the of Turkey with various European states, most notably Austria and Germany, as well as with the US, and NATO in general. This was confirmed once again earlier today when Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu lashed out at NATO, in an interview with Russian Sputnik, saying the alliance is not fully cooperating with Ankara. More importantly, he hinted that Turkey would consider military cooperation with Russia.

In the interview, Cavusoglu said that Ankara has become alarmed at the lack of willingness shown by NATO to cooperate with Turkey, which is a member of the alliance. "It seems to us that NATO members behave in an evasive fashion on issues such as the exchange of technology and joint investments. Turkey intends to develop its own defense industry and strengthen its defense system,” he said.

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu

And, as a result of Turkey's rising animosity toward NATO, it appears to have handed yet another olive branch to the Kremlin: “In this sense, if Russia were to treat this with interest, we are ready to consider the possibility of cooperation in this sector," Cavusoglu said when asked about the possibility of working with Russia in the defense sphere.

It was Cavusoglu’s strongest rebuke of NATO to date. In an interview with the Anadolu news agency on August 10, he said that Turkey and Russia would look to establish a joint military, intelligence, and diplomatic mechanism, while adding that relations with NATO were not as satisfactory as he would have wished. He also proposed to bypass the dollar in bilateral trade between Turkey and Russia.

“Turkey wanted to cooperate with NATO members up to this point,” he said. “But the results we got did not satisfy us. Therefore, it is natural to look for other options. But we don’t see this as a move against NATO,” he told Anadolu.

Cavusoglu accused the West of treating Turkey and Russia like “second class countries” simply because they did not see eye-to-eye. "They consider Russia and Turkey to be second class countries, and they are outraged that these second class countries dare to criticize them… Therefore, faced with the straightforwardness and resilience of Erdogan and [President Vladimir] Putin, they feel very worried and anxious," Cavusoglu said.

Cavusoglu’s criticism was not restricted to NATO, as he launched a broadside towards the West, saying it was largely responsible for the crisis in Ukraine. “Look at what has happened in Ukraine,” he told Sputnik. “They were always threatening the country and forcing it to make a choice between them and Russia. They were saying, ‘you will either be with us or with Russia.’ This course of action is futile. What is happening in Ukraine is a reflection of the main problems in the region.”

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To be sure, Russia has promptly taken advantage of these Turkish overtures, and in addition to the recent meeting between Putin and Erdogan where the two leaders vowed to boost economic and diplomatic ties, a member of Russia’s upper house of parliament has suggested that Turkey could provide its Incirlik air base for Russian Air Forces jets in their campaign across the border in Syria, Turkish daily Hurriyet reported.

“Turkey could provide the Incirlik base to the Russian Aerospace Forces for its use in counterterrorism operations [in Syria]. This could become a logical continuation of Turkish President [Recep Tayyip] Erdogan’s step toward Russia,” Senator Viktor Ozerov, member of the Russian Federation Council Defense and Security Committee, was quoted as saying by RIA Novosti on Aug. 16.

According to Russian news agencies, Ozerov did not rule out that Ankara could offer the use of its air base after Erdogan’s reconciliatory visit to St. Petersburg last week, where he affirmed support for Russia’s anti-terrorist mission in Syria. “It is not guaranteed that Russia needs Incirlik, but such a decision could be regarded as Turkey’s real readiness to cooperate with Russia in the fight against terrorism in Syria, and not just pay lip service,” Ozerov was also quoted as saying.

Ozerov also clarified that the decision could be taken based on similar agreements made with Syria on the use of the Hmeymim facility and the latest use of the Hamadan airfield in western Iran to carry out airstrikes in Syria, the Russian news website Sputnik reported on Aug. 16.

Turkey opened its Incirlik base to the U.S.-led anti-ISIL coalition in July 2015 after a bilateral agreement was signed among both parties.

Notably, Incirlik airbase is where the US has stationed over 50 B61 nuclear bombs, as reported before. Which may explain why according to EurActiv, which cites two independent sources the US has "started transferring nuclear weapons stationed in Turkey to Romania, against the background of worsening relations between Washington and Ankara."

According to one of the sources, the transfer has been very challenging in technical and political terms. “It’s not easy to move 20+ nukes,” said the source, on conditions of anonymity.

Another source told EurActiv.com that the US-Turkey relations had deteriorated so much following the coup that Washington no longer trusted Ankara to host the weapons. The American weapons are being moved to the Deveselu air base in Romania, the source said. Deveselu, near the city of Caracal, is the new home of the US missile shield, which has infuriated Russia.

EurActiv has asked the US State Department, and the Turkish and the Romanian foreign ministries, to comment. American and Turkish officials both promised to answer. After several hours, the State Department said the issue should be referred to the Department of Defense. EurActiv will publish the DoD reaction as soon as it is received.

 

The Romanian foreign ministry strongly denied the information that the country has become home of US nukes. “In response to your request, Romanian MFA firmly dismisses the information you referred to,”  a spokesperson wrote.

 

According to practice dating from the Cold War, leaked information regarding the presence of US nuclear weapons on European soil has never been officially confirmed. It is, however, public knowledge that Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany and Italy host US nuclear weapons.

Recall that earlier this week, a US-based Think Tank, The Stimson Center, warned that US nuclear bombs In Turkey are at risk of "Seizure By Terrorists Or Other Hostile Forces."

As such, while unconfirmed, EuroActiv's report does make strategic sense for the US and Romania, which is emerging as the new Eastern European focal point in the Cold War 2.0, even as NATO, and the US, quietly vacate Turkey. However, if even tangentially confirmed, it will merely accelerate NATO member Turkey's recent, and abrupt, shift away from the US sphere of influence and into that of Russia, a move which would have the biggest geopolitical consequences for the global balance of power since the end of the Cold War.

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darkrealm's picture

Is it me or does he look like inspector jacques clouseau?  

WTFRLY's picture

JOO WORLD ORDER LOADING ... ... ... 95%

Looney's picture

 

and just to confirm the transfer of the nukes, Romania’s Foreign Minister "firmly dismissed" the rumor.

Those nukes should’ve been moved out of Turkey a long time ago.

Keeping them down there is as stupid as flashing a wad of cash in Chicago’s ghettos.  ;-)

Looney

NoDebt's picture

Agreed, Looney.  Those nukes should have been moved out a long time ago.  It was OBVIOUS this was sliding away from the US for some time now.  Wanna bet we leave a few behind?

Chalk up another Putin win.  He really was right about what it's like to play Chess with Obama.  The Thinman isn't even in Putin's league.  

knukles's picture

 

 

Nothin' like losin' the entire ME  ....   just like they originally planned

NoDebt's picture

I will guarantee you Obama never thought this was going to happen.  But that assumes he even thought about it, which is highly doubtful.

 

bamawatson's picture

homobama's turkey policy has been to wing it

The Saint's picture
The Saint (not verified) bamawatson Aug 18, 2016 2:09 PM

Just destroy them in place.  Much easier. :-)

Perimetr's picture

The neocons have come out in favor of nuclear abolition

they want to eliminate nukes by detonating them in Russia.

gargoylian's picture
gargoylian (not verified) Perimetr Aug 18, 2016 2:44 PM

Turkey HAS WOKEN UP to the fact that the US is wagged by IsraHell.

Warning to Erdogan: http://bit.ly/1SpGAhB

gonetogalt's picture

'Turkey's recent, and abrupt, shift away from the US sphere of influence and into that of Russia, a move which would have the biggest geopolitical consequences for the global balance of power since the end of the Cold War.'

Make that 'has' since it's a done deal. And it's gonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnne.............

Chris Dakota's picture
Chris Dakota (not verified) Perimetr Aug 18, 2016 3:29 PM

I told you USJEW did the coup.

Looney's picture

 

The Choom-boy must be shooting-up Stupidol® or Retardon®.   ;-)

Looney

Hulk's picture

At least we now have a good idea as to why there are no advanced civilizations out in the Universe.

Stupid and nukes dont mix !!!

Fish Gone Bad's picture

They usually only mix once.

y3maxx's picture

..This is all smoke and mirrors folks...

Obama gonna get a third term due to Nuclear threat and hillary illnes.

Status quo

No brainer

explosivo's picture

You give him too much credit. He's just a puppet. 

Citxmech's picture

Exactly.  The presidential handlers make sure that no president will screw things up by doing dangerous things such as "thinking" or "acting" off the approved Globalist/Bankster/MIC script.

tyrone's picture

not interested in nukes in Turkey; hasn't any time for that.   right now he's only focused on Titleist , Ping and FootJoy.

newdoobie's picture

Where is Paveway? He knows his shit when it comes to Turkey

Elvis87's picture

You cant figure out the thin mans motives here. He is either the dumbest MF that has ever sat in the White House or that he is doing all of this on purpose. HE trys to overthrow Ergoden within a month of Turkeys move to make up with Russia,Syria and Israel. Not even waiting it out to see what comes of Turkeys intentions with those countries. Obuma immediatly tries to dispatch Ergoden. And it was so apprent that Obumma did it. Im glad the coup failed. Obuma would have immediately had the Turks new govt attack Syria and WWW3 would have been on.  As for the nukes, moving them closer to RF is just more provocation and Romania is now a target for RF to nuke on day one of any Nato attack. Romanian people have to be shitting there pants. 

bIlluminati's picture

It was Hillary, not Obama. Erdogen was Obama's "most trusted leader", like Hitler and Stalin. Hillary backed Gulen. So maybe Obama helped with the "coup", although why would Erdogen trust Obama with anything more important than caddying.

BetaGap's picture

Leave the nukes in turkey. It is a beautiful place for them.

MisterMousePotato's picture

Actually, he didn't actually deny it per the language quoted in the article. Just said, "Fuck off, I'm not going to respond."

I don't understand shit like this. If I were Romanian, and I had a choice, I'd rather be on good terms with Russia than the United States.

Maybe it makes sense for Canada, Mexico, et al., but if you're right next door to a big, ascendant country? And far away from one that is exhibiting signs of collapse, both internally and externally?

I don't get it. It'd be like us (Americans) tying ourselves to Saudi Arabia to the exclusion of Canada. Where'd you rather go skiing?

Winston Churchill's picture

You don't know your asc from your desc.

The whole Asian crescent is just about to become,or is, part of the SCO, from Turkey,Iran,Pakistan to India, and

you think Pax Americana is ascendant.Have you ever looked at an Atlas ?

ALL the squares in the Great Game lost,with a beleagered outpost left in Afghanistan as the only remainderl.

Not for long

tenpanhandle's picture

Me thinks you don't know your asc from a hole in the ground.  I read that Mr. Mouse Potato is implying Russia to be the ascendant and US of Aholes to be the descendant.

Winston Churchill's picture

I read it the oppsite way.I don't read it it your way even reading it thrice.

TuPhat's picture

You don't have good reading comprehension.  Did you go to public school?

gonetogalt's picture

In England 'public school' means 'expensive, hard to get into private school', and yea, he went.

That said, he still got it wrong,

1st time W.C.s fucked up on here.

{edit} WC's technically correct.

conscious being's picture

Winney, you do this often - shoot first and carefully read the post later. But no worries.  I'm not complaining. You are a valued forum member. You should get a gold star or something.

So we're all agreed, Romania .gov making dangerous, provokative moves directed at their large, ascendant neighbor, Russia.

Unlike all their neighbors, Romanians are not Slavs. Maybe that has something to do with their stance?

popeye's picture

MisterMousePotato got it right, you interpreted the post wrong way round.

 

Can't imagine the Romanians in the street will be too excited about that nice new big crosshair painted on their foreheads by the US and their own sycophantic politicians. Just been promoted even further up the hit list, and for what? What benefit could they remotely hope to accrue from this? Nada, which makes the move even more ludicrously stupid (for Romanians - still dilutes the US exposure to Russian nukes).

Bastille Day's picture

The US has to have a protocol in place to get those nukes out of there quickly in an emergency.  Or some other contingency plan to nuke the place from the sea if we lost control before we got them out.  Or perhaps remote detonation.  Could we be so dumb not to?  Doubt it, we have contingency plans for everything.

Another thought, could Turkey be so dumb to not consider this?  They would be signing their own nuke orders if they tried to take control of them.  Oh yes, with Turkey, that's possible.

This is probably a classic example of not letting a crisis go to waste.  It gives the US a reason to move the nukes closer to Russia in Romania.  I'd be more concerned with the Gypsies stealing them.

froze25's picture

Thermite would render them useless if placed in the right spots.

tricorn teacup's picture

Rendering a nuke so it won't go critical shouldn't be difficult, especially if it's an implosion type device (which all Plutonium devices are).  Preventing the nuclear material from falling into hostile hands, a longer term threat, is much harder.

bIlluminati's picture

Handling seriously radioactive materials, unless you are well equiped to do so, tends to be genetically self-correcting.

bIlluminati's picture

For the umpteenth time, the Roma are not Romanian. Nor are the Gypsies Egyptian. The Roma/Gypsies are clearly Aryan, as in from India (dot not a feather). From Punjab province, as domasdalits (low caste/untouchables).

Antifaschistische's picture

the smart thing to do when it comes to radioactive weaponry, is to have a press conference and announce to the world what your intentions are....good job!!

Romania's thinking...WTF you moronic Americans!!   ...and the sad news, is that if Hitlery survives long enough to hit the White House stumbling....she and her short bus full of clowns may just upstage Obama on the Parade of Embarassments.

onthesquare's picture

The nukes have probably been moved to Isrehell a long time ago.  Those boys have probably broken the access codes to most of the security levels.

3,2,1

Jim in MN's picture

But what the heck is Romania good for, other than stamp collecting?  

Are we afraid the Germans might steal them if we stash them there?

Italians......yeah, OK, I get that. 

svayambhu108's picture

Take those pieces of obsolete radioactive junk with you we don't mind a bit.

Freddie's picture

Move those nukes to Chicago ghettos.  BLM.

MFL8240's picture

Congress needs to get rid of Obama now.  This man is working against this country!

sessinpo's picture

And you think congress is working for this country ?

Kirk2NCC1701's picture

No, it's a "Network or organized criminals", posing as 'JOOS' (as you call them).

This is merely a Flag Of Convenience. This is natural and inevitable, when the Zionists of the 1800s outgrew any single nation-state, and decided that the only way to avoid prosecution for Fraud, Theft and Treason, was to create their own State.

It has little to do with OT adherence to the Laws of Moses. They are criminals who have hijacked a religion and culture. And they are in the process of doing the same to all countries, via a pyramidal/hierarchical and leveraged control.

Unlike you or some others here (trolls and idiots), most of us here are clear on who the Good guys and Bad guys are. Which is why we call them by their proper names: Globalists, Banksters and Zionists.

Squid Viscous's picture

Sykes - Picot 1916

perhaps the most disastrous agreement ever hatched and the Zios had a big role

The Management's picture

Ugh cmon man, leave the jews alone. If you think that 0.2% of the world population is so powerful perhaps you should emulate them.

 

Moving swiftly along to reality: dead cold war spooks must be rolling in the graves. Turkey was a linchpin of an ally. A cornerstone in every sense of the word.(& im not overly fond of Turks/Islam)

 

None of this would have happened if ... UKRAINE -.-

 

Im genuinely very happy Ukraine is liberated and all that but the constant demonisation of Russia is only pushing it toward China, and forcing Kremlin to do things like Syria.

 

If Clinton gets the White House you better believe its gona be current trajectory full-speed ahead.(like she fucking cares what happens to a Libyan/Syrian infant)

new game's picture

saw that insane mindfucking and brainwashing of idiots on merican news. fucking sad how the media playing on peoples emotions when the baby killers are the enemies within. media has blood on their hands too. fucked up shit in the nation of liars- ie; the ptb; treasonous liars, every fucking one with a hidden agenda...

DrData02's picture

He looks like Hitler.  Pretty much acts like him too.