A Sunni Muslim Asks: Is "Radical Islam" The Problem Or Is "Islam" The Problem?

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Submitted by Michael Shedlock via MishTalk.com,

In 2015, President Obama told CNN that 99.9 Percent of Muslims Reject Radical Islam. He made the comments in response to a question about the White House avoiding using the phrase “Islamic terrorists.”

Hillary Clinton says “Let’s be clear: Islam is not our adversary. Muslims are peaceful and tolerant people and have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism.”

Are they correct?

Obama Rejects Religious War

“It’s absolutely true that I reject the notion that somehow that [Isis] creates a religious war”.

Let’s Be Clear

Breitbart provides this Hillary Islam Flashback.

Clinton claimed that using the phrase “radical Islamic terrorism” to describe the previous radical Islamic terrorist attack in France — the Paris massacre, which occurred just a few days before she spoke — “gives these criminals, these murderers, more standing than they deserve, and it actually plays into their hands by alienating partners we need by our side.”

 

“In the end it didn’t matter what kind of terrorist we called [Osama] bin Laden. It mattered that we killed bin Laden,” Clinton sniffed.

 

By June, Clinton had grown uncomfortable enough with public perceptions of her terrorist-fighting credentials to assure a CNN audience that she was super-duper comfortable with saying the words “radical Islam.”

 

“From my perspective, it matters what we do more than what we say. And it mattered we got bin Laden, not what name we called him. I have clearly said we – whether you call it radical jihadism or radical Islamism, I’m happy to say either. I think they mean the same thing,” she said, making a game effort to keep her we got bin Laden without calling him a jihadi talking point alive.

 

However, when she made her desperate call to Bill O’Reilly after the Nice atrocity unfolded, she was suddenly uncomfortable with the “radical Islam” formulation again, going with “these radical jihadist groups” instead. Perhaps Mrs. Clinton could tell us about some moderate jihadist groups, for the purposes of comparison.

A Sunni Muslim Chimes In

Here’s a video that I would like you to play. The video is by a Sunni Muslim. It’s called By The Numbers – The Untold Story of Muslim Opinions & Demographics.

By the Numbers is an honest and open discussion about Muslim opinions and demographics. Narrated by Raheel Raza, president of Muslims Facing Tomorrow, this short film is about the acceptance that radical Islam is a bigger problem than most politically correct governments and individuals are ready to admit. Is ISIS, the Islamic State, trying to penetrate the U.S. with the refugee influx? Are Muslims radicalized on U.S. soil? Are organizations such as CAIR, who purport to represent American Muslims accepting and liberal or radicalized with links to terror organizations.

 

Question of the Month

 

Fundamentally, it may be fair to ask “Is religion in general the problem?”

 

 

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Billy Shears's picture

I once read that organized religion is the last vestige of institutional ignorance (that is of course if you don't include governments.)

tmosley's picture

99.9% reject it. This means 0.1% embrace it. With 3.3 million Muslims in the US, that means we have ~3300 muslim terrorists in the US.

This is not an acceptable number, in case you were wondering.

Pinto Currency's picture

Chairman of the Equality and Human Rights Commission under Tony Blair says Muslims won't integrate:
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/27/2872743/

DHS whistleblower: Muslims waging 'settlement jihad' on U.S.
http://www.wnd.com/2016/09/dhs-whistleblower-muslims-waging-settlement-jihad-on-u-s/

Study: 28% of French Muslims Lean Toward Extremist Views

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/fay-al-benhassain/french-study-makes-waves-finding-28-percent-muslims-lean-towards

SafelyGraze's picture

yeah yeah yeah

there's an entire chapter on that one

https://books.google.com/books?id=8kgjU4wbM5oC&pg=PA123

hugs,
chris hitchens

 

Son of Loki's picture

But...but...but, Lowrenta says it the climate change deniers who be criminal.

0b1knob's picture

The only good muslim is a dead muslim.

Dental Floss Tycoon's picture

 

"Obama told CNN that 99.9 Percent of Muslims Reject Radical Islam"

 

That 0.1 percent made a pretty big crowd dancing in the streets of Muslim countries  on 911.

 


The Saint's picture

Islam and radical Islam are one and the same.

"Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith."

~ Winston Churchill

0b1knob's picture

“So long as there is this book there will be no peace in the world”

Prime Minister Gladstone, holding up a Koran during a speech.

oops's picture
oops (not verified) 0b1knob Sep 25, 2016 9:31 PM

A serious American asks: Is "Radical Judaism" the Problem or Is "Judaism" the Problem? https://goo.gl/bFYusM

MEFOBILLS's picture

Even Prime Minister Gladstone, like most westerners, think that the Koran represents the boundaries of Islam.  There is also the Sira (biography of Muhammed's life).  Remember, since Muhammed was perfect, then his biography is important, as followers want to emulate his life - (including child rape?).

Additionally, there is the Haddith's, which are the "traditions of Islam, including Muhammed."  

Link to Bill Warner on the Trilogy of Islam:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjBDDC4wVxk

 

Think about it:  Revealed religions require somebody in history to reveal the nature of God, and that person then cannot be questioned, especially if they have long since passed away.  What do we know about humans?  Are there liars?  Yes.  Are there power mad ass-holes?  Yes.  Are there psychopaths?  Yes.

So, any revealed religion requires one to "believe" without question.

Deism is an example of a religion that is not revealed.  America's founding fathers were deists, and they looked to nature, or natures god to reveal himself in his works.  The planets and their motions convinced deists the nature of god through science and evidence - not by some human intermediary who "revealed" the gameplan.

Stas's picture

According to author John Eidsmoe in 'Christianity and the Constitution' page 41 and following, there were 55 delegates to the Constitutional Convention. There were only 3 Diests. The remaider were 28 Episcopalians, 8 Presbyterians, 7 Congregationalists, 2 Lutherans, 2 Dutch Reformed, 2 Methodists and 2 Roman Catholics. 

drstrangelove73's picture

"Any 18 year old who isn't a liberal hasn't a heart.Any 30 year old who isn't a conservative hasn't a brain..."
"Never give in.Never,never,never,in matters great or small,large or petty,never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense..."

At a dinner party:Large woman seated next to Sir Winston: "You are drunk!"
Sir Winston:"Yes,I Am.But tomorrow I shall be sober,but you will still be ugly..."

Newsboy's picture

The Abrahamic religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam, all have extremely violent histories. They have in common, that Abraham was about to kill his only son with a knife because "God" said so, and that made Abraham a very, very good man.

Theosebes Goodfellow's picture

What have I been saying all this time?

"It's Islam, stupid."

prophet of doom.net

Read it all.

There is no "radical Islam".

All of Islam is radical.

Tarzan's picture

The vast majority of chopped off heads fall at the feet of a muslim,

swords don't behead people, Muslims do!

Those who want to claim that the Muslim faith is peaceful, that the extremists aren't true followers of Islam, often hypocritically paint all Christians with the sins of the Crusaders, or the blood thirsty Catholics of the dark ages.  They were not following Christ, though they brandished His name.

Christ walked the earth speaking truth to power,  His sword was his tongue, and peace with your neighbor was his message.  His most violent act was to drive the Bankers and merchants from the Temple with a whip made of a tree branch.  No matter who they are who lift a sword in Christ's name, they are not following the teachings or actions of Jesus Christ.  He was a man of Peace, not war!

Contrast that with the life of Muhammad, who began and ended his rise with the edge of a sword, concurring lands with the blood of all who resisted him!  Those who today lift a sword in the name of Islam are following the teachings and actions of Muhammad, who was a man of War and conquest, not peace!

 

    By Richard A. Gabriel
    5/17/2007

    ......The idea of Muhammad as a military man will be new to many. Yet he was a truly great general. In the space of a single decade he fought eight major battles, led eighteen raids, and planned another thirty-eight military operations where others were in command but operating under his orders and strategic direction. Wounded twice, he also twice experienced having his positions overrun by superior forces before he managed to turn the tables on his enemies and rally his men to victory. More than a great field general and tactician, he was also a military theorist, organizational reformer, strategic thinker, operational-level combat commander, political-military leader, heroic soldier, and revolutionary. The inventor of insurgency warfare and history’s first successful practitioner, Muhammad had no military training before he commanded an army in the field.

    

    Muhammad’s intelligence service eventually rivaled that of Byzantium and Persia, especially when it came to political information. He reportedly spent hours devising tactical and political stratagems, and once remarked that “all war is cunning,” reminding modern analysts of Sun Tzu’s dictum, “all war is deception.” In his thinking and application of force Muhammad was a combination of Karl von Clause­witz and Niccolo Machiavelli, for he always employed force in the service of political goals. An astute grand strategist, he used non­mili­tary methods (alliance building, politi­cal assassination, bribery, religious appeals, mercy, and calculated butchery) to strengthen his long-term position, sometimes even at the expense of short-term military considerations.

    

    Muhammad’s belief in Islam and his own role as the “Messenger of God” revolutionized Arabian warfare and resulted in the creation of the ancient world’s first army motivated by a coherent system of ideological belief. The ideology of holy war (jihad) and martyrdom (shahada) for the faith was transmitted to the West during the wars between Muslims and Christians in Spain and France, where it changed traditional Christian pacifistic thinking on war, brought into being a coterie of Christian warrior saints, and provided the Catho­lic Church with its ideological justification for the Crusades. Ideology—whether religious or secular—has remained a primary component of military ventures ever since.

white horse's picture

Keep repeating the lies, maybe they will stick.

Stas's picture

Newsboy, Have you read all of Genesis chapter 22?

TheAntiGov's picture

Look up the Quran chapter 9, verses 4-111. Let me know if you think it's a religion of peace like politicians keep preaching to us.

moonshadow's picture

In case you were wondering... In a poll of american muslims, 51% favor sharia law over the constitution or democracy. The koran and it's mandates urging serious muslims to war against and subjugate all 'non-believers', and to institute sharia law, is where most terrorist ideations begin. If 51% are serious enough to want sharia law with all it's mandates of evil, then the embracing goes WAY further than .1%

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/10/51-of-u-s-muslims-want-sharia-60-of-y...

bonin006's picture

99.9% do not reject it. In the video at the bottom of the article (made by a Muslum who seems to actually be non-violent), it says in a survey by PEW research, an average of 27% of the Muslims believe apostates (someone who leaves the Muslim faith) should be executed. That opinion seems radical enough for me to view at least 27% of Muslims as having totally unacceptable violent beliefs. By the way, 27% is 270 time more than 0.1%, which tmosley pointed out is already too high.

Kirk2NCC1701's picture

With > 1 BILLION Muslims in the world, that's still

> 1 MILLION  Radical Muslims.

If this cock-sucking, treasonous scumbag won't mitigate for a global army of 1 Million Jihadists, then he needs to be removed from office IMMEDIATELY.  By any and all means.

What say you, RINOs?  What say you, "Oath Keepers"?  What say you, DOD?

[crickets]

roddy6667's picture

The word "scoundrel" is not used much anymore. The modern equivalent is "dirtbag".

Doom Porn Star's picture

Maybe if that scumbag Abraham hadn't fucked the teen who was employed to wash his wife's dirty laundry all this shit might have been avoided...

Personally: I blame him.

 

( Note well: no consideration of whether it was the wife or the teen housemaid who was knocked up first and thus by BOTH ( religious ) Hebrew and Sumerian ( secular ) laws stood to inherit Abraham's wealth... ) 

 

white horse's picture

I thought, elsevere you claim that this is invented story.

duo's picture

Moderate muslims live in fear of being considered apostates by true strict muslims.  They are surrounded by radicals in their communities but have a symbiosys where they won't rat out any radical plots in exchange for their lives.

The Bolsheviks had a quota system where every village had to rat out a kulak every few weeks to keep their village from being burned.  What if your visa depended on ratting out a terror cell every few months?  Hmmmmm.

Mr. Universe's picture

So in other words, there are quite a few "cultural" Muslims who submit to Islam in order to avoid a dirt nap.

TBT or not TBT's picture

Girls growing up in muslim ghettos in France are under threat from males in their own families to submit or at the very least be thrown out of their families, or worse than that, more or less explcitly.  That's half the islam infected population acting under the gun, and  THIS submission of women and girls.is the core driver of Islam, its most sacred.practice even where the.rest.has.been moderated nearly out of existence...

Jambo Mambo Bill's picture

France pass long ago the point of no return... a Country is not just a name, a Flag or a piece of land, it is the PEOPLE and its gene pool... please don't misread my words for racism... if a Country's population and its core values are changed in such a way that it doesn't resemble its beginnings, then you can say that the Country no longer exists, rather becomes a totally new beast.

Oliver Klozoff's picture

We have that here now.

Stop Snitchin’ or nosnitch in Detroit, wants a movement.

www rats-nosnitch com *

 

The Sec. 8 invitees to our neighborhood quickly learned that concept isn't in practice in our lily white haven.

Police calls were numerous at the get go and increased exponentially culminating in their eviction partially for having failed to make a single rent payment. The most unstartling fact I unearthed in informal conversation with my neighbors was that most complaints were filed by the others of our black contingent. Newcomers all, they invested in our neighborhood by purchasing their homes during the depressed prices attributable to the recent housing crash.

Apparently once they felt someone had their back, they want law and order as the rest of us.

We need to limit voter participation to veterans and landowners.  In a nation, only this group will consistently act in its best interests. Become the Republic we are and complete the Grand Experiment.

After all,  "If you can't stand in front of it & touch it & defend it with your weapon, then you don't own it !".

 

 

 

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Kirk2NCC1701's picture

Moderate and Secular Muslims are remaining quiet, because they were just as quiet when it still mattered and they could have made a difference.

"When good people remain quiet, evil prospers."

Why were they quiet in the first place?  For the EXACT same reason that all libertarians stay quiet: they just want to be left alone, to live their lives. It's the mentality of peasants, of sheep.

It's the mentality of the cowardly, the wilfully dumb, the comfortably numb and the jaded.

Kickaha's picture

Actually most of the carnage and destruction that has visited the world throughout history has been fomented by good men trying to impose their worldview on their neighbors.  When the neighbors view themelves as the good guys and fight back with all they have is when the shit really hits the fan. 

This is so self-evident a truth that those who view themselves as having a monopoly on righteousnes (usually because their God is on their side) try very hard to use an accusation of cowardice to induce peaceful men to fight on behalf of their cause.  

The permanent establishment of a sancrosanct right to be left alone, to live your life as you choose and you decide, as long as you do no harm to others, should be the end goal of every man and woman to the degree the press of ordinary life leaves them any room to champion a cause.

Letting any religion become intertwined with the operation of any arm of govenment is the antithesis of that goal, because all religions, even if they do not aggressive proselytize, still aggressively try to insulate their children from exposure to all other belief systems, and they will use their influence within the system of government to accomplish that limited goal.

The question becomes what do you do with people who believe that the separation of religion from state is evil, if you do not want the shit to hit the fan?  Do you kill them?  Put them all in concentration camps so that arbeit macht frei?  Re-education camps?  Psychotropic drugs?  Exile them?  Not let them into your country in the first place?

The last idea seems to me the easiest way to avoid shit flying through the air all over the place, but even that has inherent problems.

.gov to muslim immigrant:  "Do you want to replace exiting laws with Sharia law?"

Fervently religious immigrant: (very much wanting to be let in, and thinking Allah would applaud the lie):  "No".

So, ban all of the muslim faith:

.gov to immigrant from muslim lands: " Do you worship Allah as your God?"

Fervently religious immigrant: (very much wanting to be let in, and thinking Allah would applaud the lie):  "No".

So, you end up with no rational choice other than to ban immigrants from all nations where the Muslim faith predominates, or, as Trump has proposed, intensive vetting of each Arabic immigrant.

That amounts to discrimination on the basis of race and religion, but the fix for that is quiet easy:  just make sure your laws only apply to people living here, and not to people trying to immigrate into the country.  Seems eminently fair to me.  If you don't like our laws becuase they violate your religious beliefs, you cannot depend on those laws to legally force your way into the country.

That would still leave the problem of what to do with all the Sharia-lovers already here in the USA.  Maybe their kids will just drift away into secularism with the passing of a generation or two and exposure to the worldly pleasures of our degenerate society.  That is the usual pattern of things.

 

 

Billy Shears's picture

Difficult and impossible perdicament with a very unsavory and unsatisfying "solution" at best. I guess the only think worth observing is that, human pain and suffering notwithstanding, these "strategies" don't appear to be sustainable, well at least not in the case of Bolshevism...

Paul Kersey's picture

In the U.S. the massive Muslim conversions in prisons just might become a future problem.  A major problem comes from war profiteering defense contractors, who have used hundreds of billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars to arm Salafist groups, that started with the Mujahideen, during Operation Cyclone, and continues  today, as America's profiteering war mongers are at it again, arming Jabhat Al-Nusra (aka Al Qaeda).

Mr. Universe's picture

Let's face it, in prison, Islam is a lot more appealing to the average criminal than Christianity.

Kirk2NCC1701's picture

Yes, if you're in prison -- especially a Black in prison -- it's not very appealing to subscribe to a hippie-pacifist ideology of the Sermon on the Mount:

An ideology that tells you to return abuse with kindness, to bless those who dis(respect) and curse you, to be poor, and to turn the other cheek. In the case of prisoners, it would be the other butt cheek. What kind of a 'deity' is that? A deity for peasants, slaves and knaves, that what kind it is

By contrast, take the kind of deity that Muslims are offering:

1. Not White Man's God. Whose followers enslaved them, who marginalized them in unemployed ghettos, and have them drown in guns and narcotic drugs.

2. A strong god, who wants his followers to be strong

3. A god who wants them to kick ass, not be kicked in the ass.

So, yeah, as a WM, I can totally see why blacks in prison are opting for Mohammad, rather than Jesus. It makes TOTAL sense.

Hell, if I were back, I'd give Jesus the Finger, and convert to kick-ass followers of YHWH or Allah. It's a no brainer!

Mr. Universe's picture

Indeed you have understood my post and have expounded brilliantly on why Islam is preferred by criminals in prison. Now take it a step further, could not this explain the Elites current love of Islam? Their goals are the same, submission. Death to those who oppose.

lolmao500's picture

Future problem? LOL. It already is.

Billy Shears's picture

Truly, I share your concerns. The corruption and criminality of empire knows no bounds.

junction's picture

The problem is demon worshippers like Obama and his insane Neocon accomplices.  Most of these murdering Moslems are the result of generations of inbreeding.  These jihadists would not be swarming over Europe like rats leaving a sinking ship if not for NWO criminals like Merkel, the Goldman Sachs boys and the CIA's treasonous administrators.

Billy Shears's picture

You will get no argument from me, I agree!

TheABaum's picture

Religion is at its core, a statement about the existence and nature of a deity or deities and the implications for human behavior and destiny.

The religion of atheism states  affirmatively, and without reservation that the existence and nature of any deity or deity is null. It is of course impossible to prove a nullity (for those who see no evidence of a deity or deities, the answer is agnostism), therefore it is the most irrational and ignorant religion is atheism. 

Institutionalized atheism is the the concentration camp, the gulag and the mass grave. The great merchants of mechanized death have always been states that had the state religion of atheism. 

 

Ms No's picture

There is a link between Atheism and concentration camps even though people don't like to hear that.  I listened to a fascinating interview with an ex-KGB agent Yuri Bezmenov (back when the scourge still ran Russia) and he said that the Bolshevik scene absolutely targets religion for the fact that a strong religious nation is very difficult to conquer.  All religions will have a fanatic element.  People will absolutely die for God but they will not die for math.  It's true if you think about it.

Research the humanist movement behind "amazing" James Randi and his "debunking" and harassment of anything from prayer groups to psi research.  It all leads back to the Morgan family and their Bolshevik interests.  Christianity is definitely under attack because it's part of the glue that holds us together.  It's not under attack from Muslims it's under attack from banking Bolsheviks.  The Muslims are a tool which everybody prefers to fixate on.

Amazing Randy targets people for fraud, ruins lives and careers and then commits fraud with his immigrant partner. http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2011-09-15/news/fl-jose-alvarez-artist-identity-theft-20110914_1_id-theft-identity-frauds

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Kurtz

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corliss_Lamont

Ms No's picture

I skimmed through a few pages of that and it's interesting.  I don't know what is going on for sure.  I believe in evolution as a mechanism but I don't believe that is where we originate from.  I have seen enough unexplainable things to know that there are other realms and we likely have a spiritual nature beyond the physical.  Other than that I really don't know what is going on.  I am still trying to figure it out.  Hopefully it doesn't involve reincarnation because I don't want anything to do with this place down the road.  I think I would have to read the whole thing to understand what they are getting at there.  I'll have to catch up on that later.

Billy Shears's picture

I'm certain your curiosity will be rewarded. Thanks for having a look but I encourage you, if and when you have some time, to give it the time and consideration, in my humble opinion, it deserves; it was a game changer for me.

white horse's picture

Sorry to budge in, but evolution was never proved to exist. When I design something the first time, I do it the best I can think. Next time I design something similar I will use ideas from first design, but I will also expand on it. Is this evolution? I don't know, maybe.