Submitted by Soeren Kern via The Gatestone Institute,
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The true number of child marriages in Germany is believed to be much higher than the official statistics suggest because many are being concealed.
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In May, an appeals court in Bamberg recognized the marriage of a 15-year-old Syrian girl to her 21-year-old cousin. The ruling effectively legalized Sharia child marriages in Germany.
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"Religious or cultural justifications obscure the simple fact that older, perverse men are abusing young girls." — Rainer Wendt, head of the German police union.
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"This is not a question of tolerance and openness, but a question of the protection of children and minors. We therefore need a clear rule: Assessing the marriageable age of a person ... will in the future always be determined by German law." — Bavarian Justice Minister Winfried Bausback.
German authorities are debating the contours of a new law that would crack down on child marriages after it emerged that some 1,500 underage brides are now living in the country.
The married minors are among the more than one million migrants from Africa, Asia and the Middle East who entered Germany in 2015.
The German Interior Ministry, responding to a Freedom of Information Act request, recently revealed that 1,475 married children are known to be living in Germany as of July 31, 2016 — including 361 children who are under the age of 14.
Most of the married children are from Syria (664), Afghanistan (157) and Iraq (100). Nearly 80% (1,152) are girls. The true number of child marriages in Germany is believed to be much higher than the official statistics suggest because many are being concealed.
German law currently allows minors aged 16 or over to get married if their partner is of legal age and the parents or guardians consent. Germany does not recognize marriages contracted abroad if a partner is under 14, but German family courts have discretion to determine the validity of marriages concluded abroad by minors who are 14 or older.
 Zeinab, a married 14-year-old girl refugee from Syria, lives in a tent-camp in Lebanon. Germany hosts many thousands of migrants and refugees from Syria, among whom are at least 664 married children. Under current law, German family courts have discretion to determine the validity of marriages concluded abroad by minors who are 14 or older. (Image source: World Vision UK video screenshot) |
In May, an appeals court in Bamberg recognized the marriage of a 15-year-old Syrian girl to her 21-year-old cousin. The court ruled that the marriage was valid because it was contracted in Syria, where such marriages are allowed according to Islamic Sharia law, which does not set any age limit to marriage. The ruling effectively legalized Sharia child marriages in Germany.
The case came about after the couple arrived at a refugee shelter in Aschaffenburg in August 2015. The Youth Welfare Office (Jugendamt) refused to recognize their marriage and separated the girl from her husband. The couple filed a lawsuit and a family court ruled in favor of the Youth Welfare Office, which claimed to be the girl's legal guardian.
The court in Bamberg overturned that ruling. It determined that, according to Sharia law, the marriage is valid because it has already been consummated, and therefore the Youth Welfare Office has no legal authority to separate the couple.
The ruling — which has been described as a "crash course in Syrian Islamic marriage law" — ignited a firestorm of criticism. Some accused the court in Bamberg of applying Sharia law over German law to legalize a practice that is banned in Germany.
"Religious or cultural justifications obscure the simple fact that older, perverse men are abusing young girls," said Rainer Wendt, head of the German police union.
Monika Michell of Terre des Femmes, a women's rights group that campaigns against child marriage, said: "A husband cannot be the legal guardian of a child bride because he is involved in a sexual relationship with her — a very obvious conflict of interest."
The Justice Minister of Hesse, Eva Kühne-Hörmann, asked: "If underage persons — quite rightly — are not allowed to buy a beer, why should the lawmakers allow children to make such profound decisions related to marriage?"
Others said the ruling would open the floodgates of cultural conflict in Germany, as Muslims would view it as a precedent to push for the legalization of other Islamic practices, including polygamy, in the country.
Child marriage is a Germany-wide problem: 559 married children are living in Bavaria; 188 in North-Rhine Westphalia; more than 100 in Lower Saxony; and at least 100 in Berlin.
In Baden-Württemberg, the number of known child marriages jumped seven-fold in the past two years, from 26 in 2013 to 181 at the end of 2015. Of those, 162 are girls, and 18 are younger than 15 years of age.
The exact number of child marriages in Germany is unknown, partly because German authorities appear to have lost track of the identities or whereabouts of potentially hundreds of thousands of migrants. Of the 1.1 million migrants who entered Germany in 2015, only 477,000 have applied for asylum. The German government blames the discrepancy on an accounting problem, but others say that many migrants have gone underground to avoid being deported because they are not legitimate refugees fleeing war zones but economic migrants seeking a better life in Germany.
The Justice Minister of Baden-Württemberg, Guido Wolf, said foreign marriages should only be recognized if one partner is at least 16 years old and the other is 18, in line with existing German marriage law. Wolf described marriages contracted at 14 or 15 years of age as forced marriages. "I find it hard to believe that someone who is younger than 16 would decide autonomously and self-determinedly for marriage," he said. Wolf has called for raising the legal age for all marriages in Germany to 18.
Members of Chancellor Angela Merkel's Christian Democrats and their Bavarian allies in the Christian Social Union have called for outlawing child marriage. A strategy paper states:
"An 11-, 13- or 15-year-old girl belongs not in marriage but in school. In the future, the principle must be the annulment of child marriages contracted abroad. The primacy of the child's welfare and the equal treatment of men and women are pillars of our society and of our understanding of values. Child marriage is therefore absolutely incompatible."
A proposed law, which will be submitted to the German parliament in November, would require all Youth Welfare Offices (Jugendämter) in Germany to report child marriages as soon as they become aware of them, and to bring all such cases before family courts so that they can be annulled. Judges would be allowed discretion to make exceptions only in cases where the wife is already close to the age of majority.
Bavarian Justice Minister Winfried Bausback said:
"This is not a question of tolerance and openness, but a question of the protection of children and minors. We therefore need a clear rule: To assess the marriageable age of a person — that is, the question of the age at which marriage can be contracted — will in the future always be determined by German law."
Stephan Harbarth of the Christian Democratic Union called for child marriage to be abolished in Germany by the end of 2016. "According to our cultural perspective, child marriage is unacceptable," he said. "The suffering of those affected requires quick action. Our proposals are on the table. We can immediately legislate. For us, family clans do not decide about a marriage. Rather, each individual does. We will not tolerate illegal Islamic parallel justice — not even in marriage."
THIS is progress you can believe in!
-“it’s about damn time.”
Aqualung
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdydtDuj3VU
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/jethrotull/aqualung.html
It is so cool to have a decent perspective of societal issues in the context of a contrast of history and music.
Can you imagine the cognitive dissonance in the PC crowd, having to paint people who oppose child marriage as racist?
Who the F are THEY to tell me or my child who we can love?
Ooo.. well, I just rolled it up into the last taboo outside of pets and extraterrestrials.
It is rapidly getting to the point where the most rational thing to do is convert.Or to more precise become a MINO(Muslim In Name Only)
Seriously, think of all the benefits. You don't have to join the Saudi Shit Heads, choose another sect or start your own.
Just like that Turkish Blonde Muslim Girl Sex Cult.
AND if anyone dare complain just accuse them of Islamophobia Hate Crime. BOO HOO!
Charles Darwin and his wife were first cousins.
Opinions and practise vary widely across the world. In some cultures and communities, cousin marriage is considered ideal and actively encouraged; in others, it is subject to social stigma. Cousin marriage is common in the Middle East, for instance, where it accounts for over half of all marriages in some countries. In some countries outside that region, it is uncommon but still legal. In others, it is seen as incestuous and is legally prohibited: it is banned in China and Taiwan, the majority of U.S. states, North Korea, and South Korea.
Supporters of cousin marriage where it is banned may view the prohibition as discrimination, while opponents may appeal to moral or other arguments. Worldwide, more than 10% of marriages are between first or second cousins.[6]
In the past, cousin marriage was practised within indigenous cultures in Australia, North America, South America, and Polynesia. Various religions have ranged from prohibiting sixth cousins or closer from marrying, to freely allowing first-cousin marriage. Cousin marriage is an important topic in anthropology and alliance theory.
Children of first-cousin marriages may have an increased risk of genetic disorders, but this can only be estimated empirically, and those estimates are likely to be specific to particular populations in specific environments. Some scientists contend that the risk is relatively small at 5%, compared with a 3% risk for children whose parents are not genetically related.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage
Conclusion: As you can see, cousin marriages are not a big deal. In a perfect world it would not exist. Actually, in a perfect world, most wouldn’t, and shouldn’t get marry.
Anyway, humanity has much bigger problems, such as growing population and diminishing energy. .
Shut the F up, you incestuous pedophile!!!
You're disgusting.
Humanity's biggest problem is animals like you who are unable to keep their primal urges in check and realize that decent human beings are moral and choose the more difficult road of decency rather than the ways of the perverted simpletons you condone.
Stay away from your sisters and, more importantly, stay away from children.
You let your emotions and biases get the best of you.
Second, as I said in my conclusion, that, in a perfect world, cousin marriages would not exist.
Third, your biases and believes blinds you from the bigger picture about humanity, that’s theirs “our” genes.
Fourth, do some research, or at least a quick search about whatever topic you might want to comment before posting it, because the problem, many times, is not ignorance of a subject, but wrong preconceived ideas and biases that need to be overcome.
"Third, your biases and believes blinds you from the bigger picture about humanity, that’s theirs “our” genes." What does this mean?
Go read a book before opening your filthy mouth.
MARY, the mother of Jesus, was 15 when she was pregnant with Jesus and got married to Joseph who was around 45-50.
http://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/2014/09/25/the-biblical-marriage...
Logged in to vote you up. I was going to post this!
Not only this, but you only have to go back a few hundred years in Germany and the rest of Europe, and, well, in frontier North America to find that marriages to 14/15-year-olds were common. Back then, you might have a 20-year-old marrying a 14-year-old as a way of the family marrying off the daughter having no resources. Or, you might have had two 16-year-olds marrying because they were adults at that age. But hey, jump on the bandwagon and throw anyone in the stocks who questions this artifical barrier of "18 years old," wherever that number came from. Everything obviously must be about sex when it comes to marriage, not a family unit, and certainly not the customs and circumstances surrounding the situation.
Teens have sex whether prudish bystanders like it or not. God forbid (or rather government forbid) that they should be allowed to marry. Do you suppose that my grandmother who was fifteen and pregnant would have been better off if politicians and intrusive do-gooders had denied her the right to marry my grandfather?
Afghanitang ?
Is that sexist, bigot and racist in one word ?!
It is also worth remembering that cultures that accept & promote "cousin-lovin & marriage" also have average IQs at least a full standard deviation below normal human range. Possibly a benefit, if your goal is a superstitious and easily controlled population.
Our Ancestors realized early on that you needed to find other distant tribes to trade with (& cruise for chicks) or else there were problems.
Islamic world and sub-saharan Africa pretty much sits at 75 IQ -- and that's the lucky ones.
Cousin loving is, literally, stupid.
Jews for thousands of years lived in small communities and interbred quite closely. Hasn't seemed to hurt their "IQ" or "success".
Indeed for millenia people throughout Europe lived in small communities - farming communities and small towns - and married close relatives quite frequently, as has been pointed out elsewhere in this thread.
But let's not let facts get in the way of hillbilly stereotypes.
It's brilliant, but "in country" your word would be misconstrued as referring to young boys dressed up as entertainers
Obviously, she would be better off. Society would be better off.
Yeah, there was plenty of opportunity for unwed teenage mothers during the Great Depression.
Your paw-paw was a pedo! Awesome.
This doesn't surprise me one bit.
Your granny should have untwisted a coat hanger and spared us all the downstream consequences.
A pedophile is attracted to pre-adolescent individuals. As my grandmother was pregnant when she married she was not pre-adolescent. Not that I expect a person with your obvious deficiencies to understand the English language or human physiology not to mention the immorality of abortion for convenience's sake.
What a dumb fuck, do you really think these young girls want to marry those old goat fuckers?
As it turns out, arranged marriages tend to be happier than self-selected ones, counter-intuitive as it seems.
This isn't my speculation or theory - unsurprisingly, quite a lot of research has been done on this very issue. You can search for "arranged marriage happiness" yourself on your favorite search engine, I'll just quote from one article: "arranged marriages are far more likely to lead to lasting affection than marriages of passion, experts claim."
Interesting, I tend to think of ZH as being a place with open-minded people, I guess a story like this just attracts Islamophobes like files to shit. "Check your ignorance."
Yeah, because twenty one is ancient. And stop being so jealous of the goat.
In May, an appeals court in Bamberg recognized the marriage of a 15-year-old Syrian girl to her 21-year-old cousin
Well played - never let reality get in the way of a good rant.
Your bigoted, unaccepting foul-mouthed nonsense is no more extreme than Moslems marrying their cousins.
BTW, it actually makes for more.genetic mutations, some of which will be bad, but some good. You may do d the next evolutionary leap comes from the middle-east...
Fucking degenerate pedo
As you came from from monkeys?
among humans, the strongest cultural taboo against "cousin marriages" is in some counties in England
incidentally, those were the counties that had most early migrants to the later Commonwealth and to the colonies in America
Ancient Greeks and Romans had a completely different approach, way more attuned to actual genetics, then they made a difference between which cousins are safe and which aren't. The children of your Matertera (the sister of your mother) were taboo, the children of your Amitina (the sister of your brother) were not, and so on with 16 different terms for something that in English is all bunched up as "cousin"
genetics. it's an expertise. but you don't have to ask a high-brow professor from an ivory tower, any truly passionate dog, cat, horse, pig or cattle breeder can give you an extremely interesting glimpse on this field of human endeavor
the sister of your brother were not taboo, so ok? that would be your own sister's kids?
Your blood aunt's children.
"No big deal"
Inbreeding and mess in those cultures do not correlate.
Not a big deal eh? Lol, marrying first cousins was recognised long ago to cause inbred retards, both in animals and humans. And no doubt is prevalent in your immediate family.
The same happens to non genetically related parents.
According to Professor Robin Fox of Rutgers University, 80% of all marriages in history may have been between second cousins or closer.[8] The founding population of Homo sapiens was small, 700 to 10,000 individuals; therefore, a certain amount of inbreeding is inevitable.[9] Proportions of first-cousin marriage in Western countries have declined since the 19th century.[10][11] In the Middle East, cousin marriage is still strongly favored.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage#History
Humanity should have insisted on letting itself die out rather than to act in such a repuslive, Muslim like fashion.
Marrying cousins isn't a muslim like fashion but common the world over except where leftist free love, LGBT hippie wankers have perverted social norms. I'm Coptic Orthodox and marrying first and second degree cousins is quite normal in our church. It is also common the world over (think of the expression Kissing Cousins). Also nothing wrong with under 18s marrying as long as it is a truly consenting (not forced or coerced) agreement between the young couple. Just 50 years ago in Western nations it was common for teen girls to get married (here in Australia the average age of a girl getting married in 1971 was 19). The whole story is a beat up, Germany has no right to say a marriage conducted in another country (be it Syria, Brazil or any other country) is legal or not unless there are compelling grounds.
The irony here is that the age of consent in Germany is 14. Thus a 14-year-old is free to have sex with and get impregnated by a 21-year-old man, but if she then wants to marry him, she's banned from doing so.
Jewish views on incest:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_views_on_incest
They are most certainly degenerates, too. Goes without saying. Just like you in your shithole failed state and the muzzies in their wastelands.
Just like Euro boy brought up....look at Royal 'blue blood' lines. Degenerate garbage dregs and hemophiliac retards.
Sick fucks all.
What about Jewish views on sexual relations with girls three years and a day old?
Just post it or a link to it.
Why does it say in the Jewish Talmud "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."-Aboda Sarah 37a? Gentile means anyone who isn't Jewish, for those who aren't familiar with that word. That quote, and many others which deserve to be read before forming an opinion about the Jewish race. I would like to know why they believe that a little girl can be raped if she is only 3 years old? Update: For those who deny it I'll add this quote Libbre David 37: "If a Jew be called upon to explain any part of the rabbinic books, he ought to give only a false explanation. Who ever will violate this order shall be put to death." Update 2: This also is in the Talmud, so surely it wasn't a coincidence Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age." Keep in mind it only applies to Gentiles. Also keep in mind that the "jooish religion" was created about the same time as the "muzzie religion" by "men" of the same area of the world...Try thinking for yourself just once
THat's right, we should discuss reality based on what we think, not on facts.
Moreover, we should judge history by what we think shoudl have happened, not by what actually happened.
Moreover, we should live in the Matrix and take the blue pill. After all a fantasy life is so much better than the real thing. Ask Cipher.
Two things.
First cousin marriages were prevalent in most of the world until the last 200 years or so. Some societies are smart enough to stop taking needless chances when shown a problem.
This is a bit of an oxymoron "estimated empirically".
Seems most commonly is 2nd cousin marriage, so your cousin's cousin.
I think a lot of it also was method of travel. It's kinda hard to go to the next town over to cruise for chicks on horseback when you've got the farm to take care of too.
For what it is worth. First cousins have a common pair of grandparents, second cousins have a common pair of great grandparents, third cousins have a common pair of great great grandparents.....................
"may have an increased risk of genetic disorders" Like a form of brain damage that allows Muslims to behead, drown, burn alive innocents.
einstein and his second wife were first cousins.
i always thought it strange that someone of his intelligence would do that
The difference between the western world and the islamic world is that in the western world consanguineous marriages are rare, while in the islamic world they are systematic, as can be seen in this map. This, of course, is the consequence of religiously sanctioned polygamy. The shortage of marriageable women induces families to hoard their girls and promise them to cousins. The societal impact is tribalism, violence against women, and genetic disorders. I have read that in England that while the 5% of the population that are Pakistani represent 25% of the genetic disorders diagnosed at birth.
So, in fact, cousin marriages are a big deal.
"AND if anyone dare complain just accuse them of Islamophobia Hate Crime."
That's quite the red herring. There is nothing wrong with debating a policy / law, but what Islamophobes do is (1) take the bad act of any one or a few Muslims and blame all Muslims for it (pretty much the raw definition of "racism"), and (2) attribute policy / legal distinctions to inherent characteristics of Muslims rather than different cultural development, even where the cultural development has nothing to do with Islam (and of course the speaker's culture, much as he typically hates it, is the "best ever", a view of cultural supremacism that is shared by ignoramuses world over).
Not all that long ago in the US it was not all thet uncommon to find 13-year olds married, and starting families. Now they are still starting families, and wed to the State.
They don't seem to experience cognitive dissonance. They only see what they want to see. They are blind.
The feminists screeching against all things male are surprised when widows and orphans are no longer looked out for. Those that are happy to steal from others (albeit on the sly) are outraged when they are stolen from. The anti-gun crowd sees no contradiction when they hire gunslingers for themselves. Bill Ayers blows up policemen and then expects them to come help him out.
I don't know what to call it. Are they are missing a gene? Are they incredibly fearful and unable to think? Some are obviously people that just don't care and are seeking control. All are dangerous.
Beings that refuse reality will perish. At some point in time thinking people will be forced to abandon the rest.