The Real Battle Is For Your Mind - About That NBC/WSJ Clinton +11 Point Poll

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The Real Battle, is The Battle For Your Mind.

Researchers and political analysts frequent CTH because we bring you hard, factual, and fully cited research enabling you to make up your own mind about the headlines.

What you are about to read (and see) below is a fully cited example of something we have discussed frequently, but withheld until today, so the oppositional forces cannot change strategies in their attempts to manipulate your mind.

It is now time to lay all media polling naked for you to grasp. Everything below is fully cited so you can fact-check it for yourself. However, we present this with a disclaimer: the entities exposed will industriously work to change their approach from this day forth.

You have probably seen the latest example of the media claiming a released presidential poll from NBC and The Wall Street Journal as an example of Hillary Clinton expanding to an 11 point lead in the weekend following the “controversial” leaked tape of Donald Trump.

The claim is complete and utter nonsense. Here’s the proof.

We begin with a google search showing hundreds of media citations referencing the NBC/WSJ Poll:



And here’s the NBC link to the poll, and the NBC Link to the pdf of the poll, and the NBC Poll itself in a scribd pdf:


Transparently the poll is manipulated with: a) a small sample (500); and b) the following ideological make-up:


  • Republican and Republican leaners 36%
  • Democrat and Democrat leaners 43%
  • Independents 12%

By itself that ideological snapshot is silly. Nationally the party registration is roughly 27% (R), 32% (D), and 40% (I) – SEE HERE – However, the polling sample is the least of the issues for this deconstruction.

Arguing about the construct or methodology of the poll is typically what most people do when they are refuting a media poll. That aspect alone is not the big story.

Look at the polling organization:



Do you see: Hart Research Associates/Public Opinion Strategies?

Hart Research Associates is headed up by Peter D Hart (founder), and Geoff Garin (President) – SEE HERE

Now look at what role Geoff Garin, Heart Research Associate President, is currently occupying (link here):



OK, so Mr. Geoff Garin, the President of Hart Research and Associates”, is currently working as “a strategic adviser for Priorities USA in support of Hillary Clinton’s election“.  Gee, I wonder why the media never tells us that part?

See the issue?

Wait, we’re not even close to finished.  It gets better.

Let’s take a look at the recent financial connection between, Geoff Garin, Hart Research Associates and Hillary Clinton’s Priorities USA Super-PAC.

For that information we turn to FEC filings -HERE-.  What do they indicate?



On Page #118 of the September 2016 (most recent) filing we find a payment for $178,500 (screen grab above)

On Page #92 of the same September 2016 (most recent) filing, we find another payment for $42,000 (screen grab below)



  • $220,500.00 in the month of September alone paid by Hillary Clinton’s Priorities USA Super-PAC to Hart Research Associates.
  • The President of Hart Research Associates, Geoff Garin, is working for Hillary Clinton’s campaign.
  • NBC (S Burke) and The WSJ (Murdoch) contact Geoff Garin (Hart Research Associates) for the post-debate poll data they will use on the day following the debate.
  • Hart Research Associates provides a small national poll sample (500) result, with skewed party internals, showing Hillary Clinton +11 points.

Do you see now how “media polling” works, and why we advise to ignore it?


The real battle is for your mind...

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roxyNL's picture



Who controls your mind (please have a look to the pic)



roxyNL's picture


How 1% of the US is controlling 95% of the media


America sold it soul to the DEVIL



pods's picture

They realized that they could do so much more than just use polling to gain a snapshot into how 'Merka was looking in terms of voting. Why just limit yourself to judging the electorate when you would be better served by actually using it to sway the electorate?

Whole system is rotten to the core.  No saving it.


MillionDollarBonus_'s picture

This poll is legitimate so enough with the conspiracy theories. And I don't want to hear about how the election was 'rigged' when Hillary wins, because all the respected polls clearly show that she is in the lead.

Why Undocumented Immigrants Should be Allowed to Vote

tmosley's picture

These people are so incredibly confused. It's like getting into a car, punching out the glass in the console, and moving the speedometer to try to get the car to move. It doesn't work that way.

No wonder our economy is in shambles. They have been doing exactly the same thing there!

GadExp's picture

The REAL battle is for our children's livers.

RAT005's picture

I wonder what Bitch Ryan thinks about this?  Do you support this Bitch Ryan?

Chris Dakota's picture
Chris Dakota (not verified) RAT005 Oct 11, 2016 11:23 AM

The over poll women and democrats.

Its all bullshit.

Pairadimes's picture

This would have made Goebbels blush.

NoDebt's picture

It's like the entire political/power system is trying to reject the heart transplant this country is attempting to give it by supporting Trump.  Sure, the MSM lackeys are doing their thing for Clinton- that's not news.  But when Fox News gets in on the anti-tTrump bashing along side dozens of Rep. politicians and the Rep. Speaker of the House, you have what I can only describe as "organ rejection".

Also known as a "one party system".  Yeah, it's a big party all right.  Not a damned one of us is in it.  I think this country had an unannounced Coup D'etat several years back.  It just wasn't reported on.



Manthong's picture




Great graphic…

Thank you…

I might be a crusty old fossil (actually no, I am a desirable stud in my mind, and with a reasonable and operative package )…

I physically identify with Pence, who Stephan Molineux described as “an exquisitely aged Ken doll”.

But I am pleased to announce that since I have not had cable for 5 years, do not watch television and have not purchased a periodical or news-pulp of any kind… I am doing my part to dis-enfranchise the bastards,.

You should, too.


On a similar note…

It seems that the youngsters are totally programmed to be indiscriminate consumers.

I have a nephew who likely has a 300K mortgage on a third acre in a Tony neighborhood.

He will be underwater in a year or so.

Another nephew is worse off.. his 300K mortgage was for a lipstick on a pig house on a slab on less than a quarter acre,  near the Tony neighborhood.

Both of them have toddlers and both of their wives work as sales persons.

If the wives lose their jobs (or they do) they are toast.

Go figure ..  the “Planet Ranger” kids do not do “leftovers”, have to drive new cars and spend as much time in restaurants as they do the kitchen.

We need to focus on buying used stuff, using the (granite counter-top) kitchens and re-purposing things.

My gut tells me that it will happen and things will shake out.


BaBaBouy's picture

Klintons Disowned Son ?????????????

Check out the Uncanny Resemblence ~~~

Manthong's picture

 And oh, just a question and comment for folks who want to know…

How many of you out there can diagnose a bad cap on a display, sweat a good copper fitting, make a clean dovetail or mortise joint or run a smooth bead on thick steal or mild steal?

That is what the next generation needs to know.  

Oh.. oh.. and how many kids know how to do drop and windage at over 600 yards?

Loftie's picture
Loftie (not verified) Manthong Oct 11, 2016 9:33 PM

How to interpret the news.

TruthHunter's picture

Might as well mention Chelsea Hubbell, Webste's bastard daughter.

Where else did that strange face come from?

eclectic syncretist's picture

Anyone up for some light reading and casual sifting could easily go to this link

And see a vast multitude of interesting things. For instance, on page one we see that in 2013 the Clinton Foundation declared that it took in 143M in donations (line 8) , and expended 8.9M in grants (line 13) to help save the world by addressing things like, amongst others, childhood obesity, promoting creative economic growth, and helping communities address the effects of climate change (see page 52). Meanwhile it paid over three times as much in salaries (30M; line 15, page 1).

But it really gets interesting when you dig down even just a little bit. For instance, Part IX, the statement of Functional Expenses (page 10), shows that while the Foundation spent less than 9M to save the world from childhood obesity ect, an additional 22M (line 7) went to "other salaries and wages" for a whopping grand total of 52M in salaries for the Clinton's against less than 9M in grants apparently made only to maintain tax-free status.

In fact, the foundation spent more on conferences and meetings (9.2M; line 19; page 10) that it did on grants to help people. It spent 8.4M on travel, which surely must be helping to keep carbon emissions down to protect us all from global warming right????? And what about the 4M for "Occupancy"? Where the fuck are they staying? The Taj Mahal?  And there's even another 7M listed as "other", meaning it also got spent on sweet clothes, cars, rides, parkinson's treatments, ect.

Why hasn't NBC, ABC, CBS, the Washington Post, CNN, talked about any of this?  These statements are an admission that the Foundation is a colossal fraud. Isn’t that interesting news that the American people would like and deserve to know about?

Manthong's picture

..good work.

thank you...

but yes, the entire Clinton establishment is just a cash generation scam for the connected.

jeff montanye's picture

that coup d'etat happened in november 1963 when jfk was assassinated by allen dulles and the cia, the likud/mossad, the oil industry, the mafia and other interested parties.

then vietnam went so bad we got some peace until the cia funded al qaeda in afghanistan to oppose the soviets and protect their poppy fields.  

after the ussr broke up, israel could see the jaws of peace closing in on its ill gotten gains from the six day war (that jfk wouldn't endorse but lbj did) so it took a couple of shots at the wtc, succeeding on the second try.

fox doesn't support republicans, it supports republicans who are likud/mossad zionists.

ditto nbc and democrats.

Manthong's picture

oh boy... you got it.

I got to fly in airplanes in the Med during the '73 war there that which was orchestrated.

beemasters's picture

If anyone has ever read Yahoo or NYT articles and readers' comments, and compare those to ZH's, it does get confusing who really is in the lead.
Here's an example:

IMHO, it really is of little use for ZH'ers to write pro-Trump comments here cos the majority here are already Trump supporters. The battle is really out there. Boots on the ground [of the MSM].

awakeRewe's picture

beemasters - Those comments are disturbing. I hope their overconfidence does them in.

Got The Wrong No's picture

I spend a lot of time at Yahoo Finance defending Trump. The site is just like all the other Lib controled sites. It bashes Trump if he sneezes and defends Hillary at all cost. It never runs an article against Hillary. The site is over run with paid Hillary Propaganda Trolls. They are Complete Morons. They have no defence except more lies, diversions and outright Bullying. The Paid Pukes Troll in groups to show strength and delusional superiroty.  Most of the Troll use the. "your stupid, Trump's stupit" nonsense. I believe they know they are losing the game. They are as desperate as Hillary. There are many Trump people on that site to hold down the fort. 

I go to Huff Post and AOL for laughs. These sites are the most Left Wing that I have seen and Trump people regularly out number Dems by 3 or 4 to 1. The Dems on those sites are the dregs of society.

All of these sites actually changed formats to help the Demwits posters but they have not had any luck. On Yahoo you were able to click on a poster's name and read his post History. There were posters with over 100,000 post who were clearly Paid Trolls. That was eliminated. I have had many posts disappear on Yahoo. 

From my view, Trump seems to have the upper hand. Hope I'm right. 


Manthong's picture

It’s tough duty doing God’s work and pissing in the wind at the same time.

Manthong's picture

Last night as I was speaking to God, he told me…

Trump will overwhelm the polls and will make Reagan’s 48 state landslide against Mondale look like Pewee Hermon up against The Terminator Schwarzenegger.

And He also told me the Cubs will win the World Series.

We are in new times.   

Bastiat's picture

The only solution is to vote for someone who hates you and hope for the best.

FreezeThese's picture
FreezeThese (not verified) NoDebt Oct 11, 2016 1:49 PM

lol once Trump loses will ZH will move back to market/economic news? Are you going to defend him when his taxes leak? When his wealth proves sub 100M? You're hell bent over a fraud to the point where the only readers that appreciate your work are required to view 3 hours of Fox News daily. Is that the goal or will there be a moving on of sorts?

Got The Wrong No's picture

You can always spot the Paid Trolls.

Socratic Dog's picture

Sure the USSA had a coup.  That's obvious.  The only doubt is to the true date.  1913 (the Fed), 1963 (Kennedy murder), 2001 (9/11).  Or all of the above, most likely.

More erudite pundits will add dates from the 19th century.

PrayingMantis's picture



... no need to battle the mind to understand how the Clinton Crime Family operates ... just read (almost) all about it here >>> ...

... " ... website consists of a history of the Clintons and their misdeeds in Arkansas and the White House, a list of books about the Clintons, a section on Hillary Clinton, which is rapidly growing and becoming increasingly relevant to all of us, and a section on the press and their view of Hillary as "she who can do no wrong."



WileyCoyote's picture

It's a Big Club and you and I ain't in it. (George Carlin)

There's a reason that education sucks, and it’s the same reason it will never ever ever be fixed. It’s never going to get any better, don’t look for it. Be happy with what you’ve got. Because the owners of this country don’t want that. I’m talking about the real owners now, the big, wealthy, business interests that control all things and make the big decisions. 

Forget the politicians, they’re irrelevant. 

Politicians are put there to give you that idea that you have freedom of choice. You don’t. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land, they own and control the corporations, and they’ve long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the State Houses, and the City Halls. They’ve got the judges in their back pockets. And they own all the big media companies so they control just about all the news and information you get to hear. 

They’ve got you by the balls. 

They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying to get what they want. Well, we know what they want; they want more for themselves and less for everybody else. But I’ll tell you what they don’t want—they don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. That’s against their interest. You know something, they don’t want people that are smart enough to sit around their kitchen table and figure out how badly they’re getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago. 

They don’t want that, you know what they want? 

They want obedient workers, obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it. 

And now they’re coming for your social security money. 

They want your fucking retirement money; they want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street. And you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you sooner or later because they own this fucking place. It’s a big club and you ain’t in it! You and I are not in the Big Club. By the way, it’s the same big club they use to beat you in the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head with their media telling you what to believe, what to believe, what to think and what to buy. 

The table is tilted folks, the game is rigged. 

Nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard working people, white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on. Good honest hard working people continue, these are people of modest means, continue to elect these rich cocksuckers who don’t give a fuck about them. They don’t give a fuck about you. They don’t give a fuck about…give a fuck about you! They don’t care about you at all, at all, at all. 

And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. 

That’s what the owners count on, the fact that Americans are and will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white, and blue dick that’s being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth,it’s called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.

you can watch Carlin deliver this himself at this link . . . 

MalteseFalcon's picture

The media declared war on Trump months ago.

Nothing new here.

If Trump wins, the media is finished and they know it.

If their attacks are endless, why should anyone believe their polls?

Because numbers?

Trump has always been ahead.

Landslide Trump.

NihilistZerO___'s picture

200,000 voters in Massachusetts changed registration from Democrat to Republican.  In MASSACHUSETTS!

Hillary can't fill a High School Gym, while Trump packs arenas.  People are standing for hours just to watch him on a jumbotron!

They want you to see what they want you to believe.  Trust your eyes...

Yukon Cornholius's picture

'Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see' has been a good mantra for me.

MalteseFalcon's picture

All the internet numbers e.g. tweets, re-tweets, site traffic all point to a Trump landslide.

Hillary is just like the neocon/Bushites.

All money and media but totally astroturf.

Clearly Trump is now at war with "America's" political class.

I'm not so sure the "ownership" class completely hates Trump.

Trump does not control these email leaks, and somebody powerful does.

No, not Putin.

Trump has powerful supporters who have yet to emerge.

PTR's picture

1) the writer is a cutie.

2) that hillary image in the article is like, 3 steps from becoming a WilliamBanzai7 masterpiece.  -

JRobby's picture

Cut the cable and they all go broke.


chunga's picture

If this Geoff Garin character isn't a tribe member I'll eat my shoe.

John Bigboote's picture

Fake polls give them cover to steal the election with their control of the current power structure. These fake polls are actually a big deal. Trump with an 11-point lead makes things more dificult for them in the aftermath once their software does its thing on election night.

Chris Dakota's picture
Chris Dakota (not verified) JRobby Oct 11, 2016 1:28 PM
HIDDEN CAM: NYC Democratic Election Commissioner, "They Bus People Around to Vote"

This video is going to disappear, the guy too.


55 men's picture

Keep your eye on james o keefe,,,,he is claiming he has some bombshells he will be leaking in the next few days

Kidbuck's picture

Women vote with their pussy. The founding fathers were right
To exclude them. They were relying on millions of years of human experience.

FireBrander's picture

What are they thinking?



The effect of that:

1. Softens the Hillary vote.

2. Fires up the Trump vote.


Unless they think Hillary up by 11 is going to cause Republicans to give up and not vote?

That is fucking stupid to believe; Republican voters are fired up to STOP HILLARY...that is why Trump is correct that he could shoot someone and still win.


Hillary (falsely) up by 11 creates MORE apathy among already apathetic Hillary voters.


It's a huge mistake to falsely put her "way out front".

FireBrander's picture

Of all entities, the LA Times appears to want to put the truth out there and currently they say Trump up by 2 points...I believe that.

NihilistZerO___'s picture

The LA Times gives a shit about truth, it's just way to late for them to change their methodolgy.  Their poll smaple is static.  Though I'm sure they'll heap praise upon themselves for calling it right.

PTR's picture

The first one off the sinking boat usually doesn't go down with it.  Maybe.

Nylsaar's picture

You are assuming they actually count the votes.

sleigher's picture

shhhhh... don't tell them.  Let them and their hubris destroy them.  


"Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance"   -Sun Tzu