The "Fact" That 17 Intelligence Agencies Confirmed Russia is Behind the Email Hacks Isn’t Actually…A "Fact"

Tyler Durden's picture

Submitted by Mark Jeftovic via Rebooting Capitalism

Briefly, because I’m trying to get some work done instead expending energy on this horrific, disgusting election cycle…

In last night’s debate Clinton stated that “17 intelligence agencies have confirmed that Russia is behind the email hacks” which were then turned over to Wikileaks.

Nevermind that the mainstream media and the elites are very selective about when to condemn hacked document dumps. As I wrote yesterday before the debate:

It is interesting to note the difference in the treatment of email dumps based on whether it criticizes or supports the Establishment.


In the Panama Papers, hacked emails revealed mass tax avoidance schemes executed primarily by non-insulated political outsiders. Obama deemed it “important stuff” and called for international tax reform in the wake of the revelations contained therein.


But when the Podesta emails reveal ongoing, systemic, baked-in wrong-doing on the part of anointed political favourites, the bogeyman of “Russian state-sponsored hackers” is trotted out, hell-bent on throwing the election and Obama (as per the aforementioned quote) starts talking about “folks needing some kinda Ministry of Truthiness”.

As I also covered yesterday, Glenn Greenwald exhaustively back-traced where the ‘Russia-hacked-the-election’ meme came from and that it was pure spin. The original author who set the entire farce in motion later admitted it was all a mistake, and in his own ‘Mea Culpa’ revealed that according to the subtext of extensive emails from a Newsweek reporter pressuring him to allow the lie to live, it was US intelligence agencies pushing to spread this narrative.

The “17 agencies that actually confirmed” it was the Russians? Well it turns out that was one guy, namely DCI James Clapper: the head of US intelligence. The same man who committed perjury before congress after his NSA surveillance program was leaked.  He  issued a statement that included the phrase:

We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia’s senior-most officials could have authorized these activities.

The very next sentence is also of interest:

Some states have also recently seen scanning and probing of their election-related systems, which in most cases originated from servers operated by a Russian company. However, we are not now in a position to attribute this activity to the Russian Government.

The word “confirmed” does not appear anywhere in this statement.

So when HRC stated the “17 intelligence agencies have confirmed” I was anticipating what that would turn up in the “fact checking” apparatus, which allegedly exists to objectively test the assertions of both candidates in real time.

The “fact checking” around this statement would be comical if not infuriatingly Orwellian: ABC called it “a true fact

Russia Hacking


The New York Times fact check on this debate, at first glance would lead one to believe all the lies and misdirection to be coming from one side of the the podiums, Trump’s. But they did not even touch Clinton’s “17 intelligence agencies have confirmed” statement, instead they took an accusation by Clinton, levelled at Trump, dressed it up as a “fact” (by it’s inclusion in the NYT’s edition of the “Debate Fact Checks”), and ceremoniously blessed it as “True”:

Russia Hacking


Again, the media narrative around all this is now completely oblivious to the actual content of those leaks. Including that the Democrats staged anti-Trump rallies which has since been corroborated by the fact that Dems employed paid agents provocateurs at Trump rallies to incite violence.

The media gave a previous administration a free pass when they started a war in Iraq based on a lie (one that was also presumably “confirmed” by intelligence agencies). Now they are full-on complicit in this one as the US gears up for a cyberwar with Russia over another lie.

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cheka's picture

stupid dims.  nobody in the US fears russia anymore.  urban africans and muzzie terrists outrank them by a mile

hannah's picture

what agencies? lets see the 17 agency reports.....

More Ammo's picture

Actually the "criminals with a badge" are on the top of my list...

Creative_Destruct's picture

Typical MSM and Obama Admin "Facts"

Witness: "PolitiFACT", "", etc, etc.

auricle's picture

Clapper is nothing more than a propagandist. He lied in front of congress and the american people about spying on them. Snowden revelations showed this clearly. I don't believe a word this guy says. Hillary using it shows how much of a piece of trash she is. Grab propaganda from a known liar, i mean career professional, and disceminate it to the american people as though it were fact. Isn't this the perfect example of why there is a referendum out for the corruption in government. Trump needs to pounce on this. This was the same tactic used to get us into the Iraq war and she put it on clear display for all. This should backfire uuuuuuge on her. 

philipat's picture

Side question: Do we really need SEVENTEEN intelligence Agencies? Aren't they tripping all over eachother?

glenlloyd's picture

It's the same old same old crap as before.

What's another media source lying to protect a candidate? We already know there isn't any real fact checking, these are just more lies.

The best we can hope for is that people who know better are just going to be so damn mad that this is going on that nothing on November 8th is going to keep them at home.

toro's picture
toro (not verified) glenlloyd Oct 20, 2016 9:56 PM

The truth about the conflict with Russia NO ONE dares to reveal.

philipat's picture

Hey toro, previously mofio then santafe then Aristotle of Greece then Gargoyle then bleu then oops then lance-a-lot then most recently Loftie.

You are a serial spammer and a serial pain in the ass. Might I politely suggest that you go fuck yourself? And get a life.

PS. You might have noticed that my attempt to expose you for what you are is always the same. That’s because your Spam is always the same (Using fake links to your BS site which has no connection to your comments; which are deliberately dramatic to mislead people into responding or clicking on the fake link) so it seems only fair that my exposure of your crap should also always be the same. An eye for an eye.

maskone909's picture

The fact that we have 17 fucking intelligence agencies is pretty disturbing, oh and that they have Prevented zero terrorist attacks.

Cynicles's picture

They foster and curate terror.

asteroids's picture

Anyone who knows how the internet works will tell you that unless you have taps running at major routers across the planet capturing real-time traffic, you'll never know who broke into your machine.

nyse's picture

The level of mind control is really astounding when your eyes are finally open to it..

Beam Me Up Scotty's picture

Yes.  This is VERY 1984 Orwellian shit!!!  So who is fact checking the "fact checker"??  Who is fact checking Uncle Sam?? The media just takes this shit and parrots it as if it is all 100% true----Like the government NEVER tells lies.  What the fuck are these people smoking???

DjangoCat's picture

Truely scary, Scotty.

Its like a huge illusion being accepted by the sheeple.  How do we wake them up?


JohnG's picture

It's useless and a waste of time and energy to try.  It is so blatant now that anyone who refuses to see is willfully ignorant.

SoilMyselfRotten's picture

One thing came to mind when Hillary cited the 17 intelligence agencies. All of the war hawks citing the intelligence agencies about WMD in Iraq leading up to the Iraq war. It gave me an eerie deja vu. 

JohnG's picture

Just more statist lies.  They will not be happy without war.

It is deranged.

The Alarmist's picture

That would be 17 intelligence agencies which we know about ... what about the other, secret agencies, like MIB?

shovelhead's picture

My dogs respond to the cheese drawer in the fridge opening. They actually like that crummy Kraft sliced cheese I wrap their pills in.

Try cheese.

francis scott falseflag's picture


Would that pill wrapped in cheese be a quaalude?


Woof  Woof

Mr. Universe's picture

That's confirmation bias. You want to believe that you accept any proof because "they would never do that". So when confronted they bring out the "authoritative" source, you know like the New York Times. In their mind YOU are the mind controlled conspiracy theorist nutjob who needs reprogramming.

Frito's picture

In the very near future, in a small dimly lit room:


The Truth is what The Party says is the Truth.

If we say 2 + 2 equal 5, then that is The Truth.

Now, tell me, Winston... how many fingers am I holding up?

GUS100CORRINA's picture

Mind Control ... I agree 100%. Great comment.

Paul Kersey's picture

U.S. intelligence agencies have been used to justify false information that led to the killing of millions of people in more than a few false-flag wars:

"The failure to find weapons stocks or active production lines, undermining claims by the October 2002 NIE and both President Bush and Secretary of State Colin Powell (Document 16, Document 27), has been one particular cause for criticism. Controversy has also centered around specific judgments - in the United States with regard to assessments of Iraq's motives for seeking high-strength aluminum tubes, and in the United Kingdom with respect to the government's claim that Iraq sought to acquire uranium from Africa. Post-war evaluation of captured material, particularly two mobile facilities that the CIA and DIA judged to be biological weapons laboratories, has also been the subject of dispute."

"The Gulf of Tonkin Resolution or the Southeast Asia Resolution, Pub.L. 88–408, 78 Stat. 384, enacted August 10, 1964, was a joint resolutionthat the United States Congress passed on August 7, 1964, in response to the Gulf of Tonkin incident.

It is of historical significance because it gave U.S. President Lyndon B. Johnson authorization, without a formal declaration of war by Congress, for the use of conventional military force in Southeast Asia. Specifically, the resolution authorized the President to do whatever necessary in order to assist "any member or protocol state of the Southeast Asia Collective Defense Treaty". This included involving armed forces.

It was opposed in the Senate only by Senators Wayne Morse (D-OR) and Ernest Gruening (D-AK). Senator Gruening objected to "sending our American boys into combat in a war in which we have no business, which is not our war, into which we have been misguidedly drawn, which is steadily being escalated". (Tonkin Gulf debate 1964) The Johnson administration subsequently relied upon the resolution to begin its rapid escalation of U.S. military involvement in South Vietnam and open warfare between North Vietnam and the United States."

medium giraffe's picture

mac spoof/internet cafe/war driving/air crack/proxy/vpn/tor/botnet = fuck you very much

you can learn this shit in a few months

the world has changed, survival of the most informed, cyber wars inbound

Shields Up! <<<<<<< quack quack go! GRC legit AF.

# /etc/init.d/iptables start

NiggaPleeze's picture

Anyone who knows how the internet works will tell you that unless you have taps running at major routers across the planet capturing real-time traffic, you'll never know who broke into your machine.

It would take more than that since any minimally competent attack would use a number of links before reaching the target (similar to TV shows where they try to trace a call and it goes from one country to another and they can't ever seem to trace to the original connection ...).  If done competently, each of these links would be encrypted and use random length messages. They might even make use of the dark web (Tor, etc.).  An example: Machine A in Langley connects to (hacked "bot") Machine B in Colombia connects to (hacked "bot") Machine C in China connects to (hacked "bot") Machine D in Turkey connects to (hacked "bot") Machine E in Russia connects to (mail server) Machine F in DNC headquarters.  Even if you stored all of the communications over time (because you do not know about the hack in real-time, and hence have to go back through records to find the trail) in all those countries, which is basically impossible given the amount of data sent globally, you still would have to decrypt it all.  And in the end you wouldn't know if Machine A was being controlled thorugh a telephone modem or other remote, non-internet means, or who the person was behind Machine A (particularly, say, if Machine A is actually a laptop or smartphone wirelessly connected to a Starbucks WiFi hotspot from a van in the parking lot).

But the Joint Statement put out by neo-con perjurer Clapper doesn't even claim to have evidence of a direct link of Russia to the hack.  They claim it's "confident" Russia is behind the hacks because "they are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts".  Motivations?  Who knows what their motivation would be, but one thing is clear, the Clintons and Democrats have no shortage of enemies (and let's remember, a lot of "celebrity" and other GMail accounts have been hacked in the past; indeed there was a massive Yahoo hack some time ago stealing millions of passwords).  Methods?  What methods?  Hacking a GMail account?  Are we to believe that Russian intelligence would hack Google using a proprietary hack technique?  That's absurd, Russian spies are not so stupid - that would be like leaving a business card and video proof at the scene of a murder.  Most likely someone guessed Podesta's password or obtained it using key-logging software on one of his computers - this technology is widely available on the "dark web".

medium giraffe's picture

You don't move without a 512 lockdown.  Tunnels within tunnels within tunnels, packets in packets in packets.  Gets to a point where the show stops, public vpn without record keeping paid in bitcoinzzzz.....  trail goes cold if you know the ropes.  Tor? maybe, but bad guys set a node up, they ain't stupid.  Best off on your own.  Or botnet the fucker, distribution.  Little hilly trying to fend off Norton updates and clicky boxes with squinting or hammer? PEBKAC!  Pleeeeeeeease, these stupid fuckers don't stand a chance, they don't know what they don't know.  TLAs/techs reading this know wtf I mean.  Good job I'm a lazy fuck and dun want no trubbles.  Everything I know learned from a search query.  How the fuck do you deal with that? 

Oldwood's picture

Our enemy is who our enemy needs to be.

Al Bondiga's picture

Exactly correct. Just like the CIA and DEA are run the global drug trade.

Belrev's picture

"intelligence" agency is an oxymoron.

MJ4Vets's picture

17 intelligence agencies all given their opinion by 1 shadow government.

HowdyDoody's picture

Was the 'evidence' recycled through private 'think tanks' to give it that extra edge of 'factiness'?


Dimwit's picture

At least the 'Ruskies' open up a bit of their Intelligence.

Live coverage of the Apello humanitarian corridor is here at this link.---


Chupacabra-322's picture

@ Maskone,

Exactly! And, can anyone even name 10 much less all 17. I would suffice it to say, we have too many Intelligence Agencies. Agencies that do not like to share any Intelligence between them. Rendering them useless

All Highly Compartmentalized plus the Intelligence "Contractors" the "Intelligence" Agencies rely on. Contractors with high level clearence.

The level of PsyOps & Global Espionage is unlike anything I have ever witnessed. Who's to know the number of Double Operatives that may be amoung them.

Many of these Alphabet Agencies need to be dismantled, disbanded & dis honored starting with the Pure Evil Criminal Psychopaths at the CIA.

At the Highest Compartmentalized Levels, they're all Criminal & they're "all in on it."

Cynicles's picture

Far more likely it was from the Dem party or a US gov intel group(s)

onthesquare's picture

Queen of the false flagettes.  Stranger than truth...then is probably is a false flagette.  These are little self inflicted attacks on one self with the intent of mustaring simpathy.  In the dictionary simpathy is between shit and siphalus.  Both are are things where simpathy is a feeling.  It must be felt but cannot be made to feel.  

Whether it is the left wing or the right wing, it is still the same bird. LOL

onthesquare's picture

Queen of the false flagettes.  Stranger than truth...then is probably is a false flagette.  These are little self inflicted attacks on one self with the intent of mustaring simpathy.  In the dictionary simpathy is between shit and siphalus.  Both are are things where simpathy is a feeling.  It must be felt but cannot be made to feel.  

Whether it is the left wing or the right wing, it is still the same bird. LOL

Kirk2NCC1701's picture

Don't complicate things or get wrapped around the axle.

It's "the same as it ever was": You are under the thumb of the ZOG. They control the Horizontal, they control the Vertical. Here's how, in 3 easy steps:

(1) The Electoral College is a PRIVATE POLITICAL CARTEL.


(3) All branches of the Federal Government are EMPLOYED by them.

Including the Law Enforcement Agencies (LEAs), Intelligence Agencies, the Judiciary and Courts, the Military, the FCC (that issues Broadcasting licenses to the Media), etc.

Do you honestly think that the Zionists do not control or supervise EVERY key position? 

There ya go. Unless Trump or someone like him drains the Swamp that is DC and NY, nothing will change. It will only get worse. Therefore, Hope or Prayer are not actionable solutions or plans. They are merely a legal tonic, a salve to dull the pain of reality.  As opposed to some of the illegal forms that too many indulge in and get destroyed by.

rosiescenario's picture

All elected Federal office holders and their minions (that includes our press) are a far greater threat, as they have already well proven.

AViewFromDublin's picture

stupid dims.  nobody in the US fears russia anymore.  urban africans and muzzie terrists outrank them by a mile


 Israel did 911..I 'd fear them a lot more.

pathosattrition's picture

Line them all up and shoot them.

Wahooo's picture

Force McCain to shoot them.

Skiprrrdog's picture

Then have Bill Clinton's wife eat them...

mkkby's picture

Spice it up with a few grams of polonium.

Dugald's picture


Nah, a line of sharp stakes.......Vladicate them...!

jmack's picture

The thing that popped into my head is, ' why the hell do we have any terror attacks if we have 17 intelligence agencies?"  could we have the same amount of terror attacks with one or two intelligence agencies?