Julian Assange's Most Incendiary Interview: "Hillary Clinton Is The Central Cog Of The Establishment"

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In what may be his most provocative and incendiary interview ever given, Wikileaks founder and whistleblower Julian Assange - who realizes that if Hillary Clinton wins the presidency his prospects turn even more bleak - spoke to Australian journalist and documentary maker John Pilger, and summaraized what he has gleaned from the tens of thousands of Clinton emails released by WikiLeaks this year in the following interview courtesy of RT and Dartmouth films.

John Pilger, another Australian émigré, conducted the 25-minute interview at the Ecuadorian Embassy, where Assange has been trapped since 2012 for fear of extradition to the US. Last month, Assange had his internet access cut off for alleged “interference” in the American presidential election through the work of his website. 

Full interview transcript below:

‘Clinton made FBI look weak, now there is anger’ 

John Pilger: What’s the significance of the FBI's intervention in these last days of the U.S. election campaign, in the case against Hillary Clinton? 

Julian Assange: If you look at the history of the FBI, it has become effectively America's political police. The FBI demonstrated this by taking down the former head of the CIA [General David Petraeus] over classified information given to his mistress. Almost no-one is untouchable.  The FBI is always trying to demonstrate that no-one can resist us.  But Hillary Clinton very conspicuously resisted the FBI's investigation, so there’s anger within the FBI because it made the FBI look weak.  We've published about 33,000 of Clinton's emails when she was Secretary of State.  They come from a batch of just over 60,000 emails, [of which] Clinton has kept about half – 30,000 -- to herself, and we've published about half.

Then there are the Podesta emails we've been publishing.  [John] Podesta is Hillary Clinton’s primary campaign manager, so there’s a thread that runs through all these emails; there are quite a lot of pay-for-play, as they call it, giving access in exchange for money to states, individuals and corporations. [These emails are] combined with the cover up of the Hillary Clinton emails when she was Secretary of State, [which] has led to an environment where the pressure on the FBI increases. 

* * *

‘Russian government not the source of Clinton leaks’

JP: The Clinton campaign has said that Russia is behind all of this, that Russia has manipulated the campaign and is the source for WikiLeaks and its emails. 

JA: The Clinton camp has been able to project that kind of neo-McCarthy hysteria: that Russia is responsible for everything.  Hilary Clinton stated multiple times, falsely, that seventeen U.S. intelligence agencies had assessed that Russia was the source of our publications. That is false; we can say that the Russian government is not the source.

WikiLeaks has been publishing for ten years, and in those ten years, we have published ten million documents, several thousand individual publications, several thousand different sources, and we have never got it wrong. 

* * *

‘Saudi Arabia & Qatar funding ISIS and Clinton’

JP: The emails that give evidence of access for money and how Hillary Clinton herself benefited from this and how she is benefitting politically, are quite extraordinary. I’m thinking of  when the Qatari representative was given five minutes with Bill Clinton for a million dollar cheque.

JA: And twelve million dollars from Morocco …

JP: Twelve million from Morocco yeah.

JA: For Hillary Clinton to attend [a party].

JP: In terms of the foreign policy of the United States, that’s where the emails are most revealing, where they show the direct connection between Hillary Clinton and the foundation of jihadism, of ISIL, in the Middle East.  Can you talk about how the emails demonstrate the connection between those who are meant to be fighting the jihadists of ISIL, are actually those who have helped create it.

JA: There’s an early 2014 email from Hillary Clinton, not so long after she left the State Department, to her campaign manager John Podesta that states ISIL is funded by the governments of Saudi Arabia and Qatar.  Now this is the most significant email in the whole collection, and perhaps because Saudi and Qatari money is spread all over the Clinton Foundation.  Even the U.S. government agrees that some Saudi figures have been supporting ISIL, or ISIS. But the dodge has always been that, well it’s just some rogue Princes, using their cut of the oil money to do whatever they like, but actually the government disapproves.

But that email says that no, it is the governments of Saudi and  Qatar that have been funding ISIS.

JP: The Saudis, the Qataris, the Moroccans, the Bahrainis, particularly the Saudis and the Qataris, are giving all this money to the Clinton Foundation while Hilary Clinton is Secretary of State and the State Department is approving massive arms sales, particularly to Saudi Arabia.

JA: Under Hillary Clinton, the world’s largest ever arms deal was made with Saudi Arabia, [worth] more than $80 billion.  In fact, during her tenure as Secretary of State, total arms exports from the United States in terms of the dollar value, doubled.

JP: Of course the consequence of that is that the notorious terrorist group called ISIl or ISIS is created largely with money from the very people who are giving money to the Clinton Foundation.

JA: Yes.

JP:That's extraordinary. 

* * *

‘Clinton has been eaten alive by her ambition’

JA: I actually feel quite sorry for Hillary Clinton as a person because I see someone who is eaten alive by their ambitions,  tormented literally to the point where they become sick; they faint as a result of [the reaction] to their ambitions. She represents a whole network of people and a network of relationships with particular states.  The question is how does Hilary Clinton fit in this broader network?  She's a centralising cog. You’ve got a lot of different gears in operation from the big banks like Goldman Sachs and major elements of Wall Street, and Intelligence and people in the State Department and the Saudis.

She’s the centraliser that inter-connects all these different cogs.  She’s the smooth central representation of all that, and ‘all that’ is more or less what is in power now in the United States. It’s what we call the establishment or the DC consensus. One of the more significant Podesta emails that we released was about how the Obama cabinet was formed and how half the Obama cabinet was basically nominated by a representative from Citi Bank. This is quite amazing. 

JP: Didn’t Citibank supply a list …. ?

JA: Yes. 

JP: … which turned out to be most of the Obama cabinet.

JA: Yes.

JP: So Wall Street decides the cabinet of the President of the United States?

JA: If you were following the Obama campaign back then, closely, you could see it had become very close to banking interests. So I think you can’t properly understand Hillary Clinton's foreign policy without understanding Saudi Arabia.  The connections with Saudi Arabia are so intimate.

* * *

‘Libya is Hillary Clinton’s war’

JP: Why was she so demonstrably enthusiastic about the destruction of Libya? Can you talk a little about just what the emails have told us – told you – about what happened there? Because Libya is such a source for so much of the mayhem now in Syria: the ISIL, jihadism, and so on. And it was almost Hillary Clinton's invasion. What do the emails tell us about that?

JA: Libya, more than anyone else’s war, was Hillary Clinton’s war. Barak Obama initially opposed it. Who was the person championing it?  Hillary Clinton.  That’s documented throughout her emails. She had put her favoured agent, Sidney Blumenthal, on to that; there’s more than 1700 emails out of the thirty three thousand Hillary Clinton emails that we've published, just about Libya. It’s not that Libya has cheap oil. She perceived the removal of Gaddafi and the overthrow of the Libyan state -- something that she would use in her run-up to the general election for President.

So in late 2011 there is an internal document called the Libya Tick Tock that was produced for Hillary Clinton, and it’s the chronological description of how she was the central figure in the destruction of the Libyan state, which resulted in around 40,000 deaths within Libya; jihadists moved in, ISIS moved in, leading to the European refugee and migrant crisis.

Not only did you have people fleeing Libya, people fleeing Syria, the destabilisation of other African countries as a result of arms flows, but the Libyan state itself err was no longer able to control the movement of people through it. Libya faces along to the Mediterranean and had been effectively the cork in the bottle of Africa. So all problems, economic problems and civil war in Africa -- previously people fleeing those problems didn’t end up in Europe because Libya policed the Mediterranean. That was said explicitly at the time, back in early 2011 by Gaddafi:  ‘What do these Europeans think they’re doing, trying to bomb and destroy the Libyan State? There’s going to be floods of migrants out of Africa and jihadists into Europe, and this is exactly what happened.

* * *

‘Trump won’t be permitted to win’

JP: You get complaints from people saying, ‘What is WikiLeaks doing?  Are they trying to put Trump in the Whitehouse?’

JA: My answer is that Trump would not be permitted to win. Why do I say that?  Because he's had every establishment off side; Trump doesn’t have one establishment, maybe with the exception of the Evangelicals, if you can call them an establishment, but banks, intelligence [agencies], arms companies... big foreign money … are all united behind Hillary Clinton, and the media as well, media owners and even journalists themselves.

JP: There is the accusation that WikiLeaks is in league with the Russians. Some people say, ‘Well, why doesn’t WikiLeaks investigate and publish emails on Russia?’

JA: We have published about 800,000 documents of various kinds that relate to Russia. Most of those are critical; and a great many books have come out of our publications about Russia, most of which are critical. Our [Russia]documents have gone on to be used in quite a number of court cases: refugee cases of people fleeing some kind of claimed political persecution in Russia, which they use our documents to back up.

JP: Do you yourself take a view of the U.S. election?  Do you have a preference for Clinton or Trump?

JA: [Let’s talk about] Donald Trump. What does he represent in the American mind and in the European mind?  He represents American white trash, [which Hillary Clinton called] ‘deplorable and irredeemable’.  It means from an establishment or educated cosmopolitan, urbane perspective, these people are like the red necks, and you can never deal with them.  Because he so clearly -- through his words and actions and the type of people that turn up at his rallies -- represents people who are not the middle, not the upper middle educated class, there is a fear of seeming to be associated in any way with them, a social fear that lowers the class status of anyone who can be accused of somehow assisting Trump in any way, including any criticism of Hillary Clinton. If you look at how the middle class gains its economic and social power, that makes absolute sense.

* * *

‘US attempting to squeeze WikiLeaks through my refugee status’

JP: I’d like to talk about Ecuador, the small country that has given you refuge and [political asylum] in this embassy in London.  Now Ecuador has cut off the internet from here where we're doing this interview, in the Embassy, for the clearly obvious reason that they are concerned about appearing to intervene in the U.S. election campaign.  Can you talk about why they would take that action and your own views on Ecuador’s support for you?

JA: Let’s let go back four years.  I made an asylum application to Ecuador in this embassy, because of the U.S. extradition case, and the result was that after a month, I was successful in my asylum application. The embassy since then has been surrounded by police: quite an expensive police operation which the British government admits to spending more than £12.6 million. They admitted that over a year ago.  Now there’s undercover police and there are robot surveillance cameras of various kinds -- so that there has been quite a serious conflict right here in the heart of London between Ecuador, a country of sixteen million people, and the United Kingdom, and the Americans who have been helping on the side.  So that was a brave and principled thing for Ecuador to do. Now we have the U.S. election [campaign], the Ecuadorian election is in February next year, and you have the White House feeling the political heat as a result of the true information that we have been publishing.

WikiLeaks does not publish from the jurisdiction of Ecuador, from this embassy or in the territory of Ecuador; we publish from France, we publish from, from Germany, we publish from The Netherlands and from a number of other countries, so that the attempted squeeze on WikiLeaks is through my refugee status; and this is, this is really intolerable. [It means] that [they] are trying to get at a publishing organisation; [they] try and prevent it from publishing true information that is of intense interest to the American people and others about an election.

JP: Tell us what would happen if you walked out of this embassy.

JA: I would be immediately arrested by the British police and I would then be extradited either immediately to the United States or to Sweden. In Sweden I am not charged, I have already been previously cleared [by the Senior Stockholm Prosecutor Eva Finne]. We were not certain exactly what would happen there, but then we know that the Swedish government has refused to say that they will not extradite me to the United States we know they have extradited 100 per cent of people whom the U.S. has requested since at least 2000.  So over the last fifteen years, every single person the U.S. has tried to extradite from Sweden has been extradited, and they refuse to provide a guarantee [that won’t happen].

JP: People often ask me how you cope with the isolation in here. 

JA: Look, one of the best attributes of human beings is that they’re adaptable; one of the worst attributes of human beings is they are adaptable.  They adapt and start to tolerate abuses, they adapt to being involved themselves in abuses, they adapt to adversity and they continue on. So in my situation, frankly, I’m a bit institutionalised -- this [the embassy] is the world .. it’s visually the world [for me].

JP: It’s the world without sunlight, for one thing, isn’t it?

JA: It’s the world without sunlight, but I haven’t seen sunlight in so long, I don’t remember it.

JP: Yes.

JA: So , yes, you adapt.  The one real irritant is that my young children -- they also adapt. They adapt to being without their father. That’s a hard, hard adaption which they didn’t ask for.

JP: Do you worry about them?

JA: Yes, I worry about them; I worry about their mother.

* * *

‘I am innocent and in arbitrary detention’

JP: Some people would say, ‘Well, why don’t you end it and simply walk out the door and allow yourself to be extradited to Sweden?’

JA: The U.N. [the United Nations Working Group on Arbitrary Detention] has looked into this whole situation. They spent eighteen months in formal, adversarial litigation. [So it’s] me and the U.N. verses Sweden and the U.K.  Who’s right?  The U.N. made a conclusion that I am being arbitrarily detained illegally, deprived of my freedom and that what has occurred has not occurred within the laws that the United Kingdom and Sweden, and that [those countries] must obey. It is an illegal abuse.  It is the United Nations formally asking, ‘What’s going on here?  What is your legal explanation for this? [Assange] says that you should recognise his asylum.’ [And here is]

Sweden formally writing back to the United Nations to say, ‘No, we're not going to [recognise the UN ruling], so leaving open their ability to extradite.

I just find it absolutely amazing that the narrative about this situation is not put out publically in the press, because it doesn’t suit the Western establishment narrative -- that yes, the West has political prisoners, it’s a reality, it’s not just me, there’s a bunch of other people as well.  The West has political prisoners. Of course, no state accepts [that it should call] the people it is imprisoning or detaining for political reasons, political prisoners. They don’t call them political prisoners in China, they don’t call them political prisoners in Azerbaijan and they don’t call them political prisoners in the United States, U.K. or Sweden; it is absolutely intolerable to have that kind of self-perception.

JA: Here we have a case, the Swedish case, where I have never been charged with a crime, where I have already been cleared [by the Stockholm prosecutor] and found to be innocent, where the woman herself said that the police made it up, where the United Nations formally said the whole thing is illegal, where the State of Ecuador also investigated and found that I should be given asylum.  Those are the facts, but what is the rhetoric? 

JP: Yes, it’s different.

JA: The rhetoric is pretending, constantly pretending that I have been charged with a crime, and never mentioning that I have been already previously cleared, never mentioning that the woman herself says that the police made it up.

[The rhetoric] is trying to avoid [the truth that ] the U.N. formally found that the whole thing is illegal, never even mentioning that Ecuador made a formal assessment through its formal processes and found that yes, I am subject to persecution by the United States.

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TahoeBilly2012's picture

Drop the bombs Julian, now!

Clock Crasher's picture

drop bombs>?

Mutha fuckas completely out of pistol ammo let alone anything that goes bang!

A little something like this perhaps.


Clock Crasher's picture

The bombs have been dropped.  Child torture/rape/murder and 80billion in arms sales to ISIS by SA proxy was heavy carpet bombing. 

It had no effect.

sleigher's picture

No...   It is having an effect.  We just can't see it yet.  

Clock Crasher's picture

It's like carpet bombing the Ho-Chi-Min trail. 

One minute your sure you wiped a division of the face of the earth the next minute your screaming Broken Arrow into the hand-mike.

Escrava Isaura's picture

Watch your (Vietnam) language. Kennedy is a hero here.


neidermeyer's picture

Kennedy a hero ,, don't make me gag...


Fell asleep on watch and had his pt boat ran over by a Jap cruiser? Sounds just as worthless as McCain ..

Drug addict..

Cheated on his wife hundreds of times ..

Claimed to be Catholic and paid for several mistresses abortions...

Abandoned the Cubans by refusing air cover..

Damn near started a nuclear war with Russia..

To avoid that war he gave up our assets in Turkey.

Decided to take the Russians on in VN... Thanks a bunch!


The only good things he did was to lower tax rates and attempt to take some power away from the Fed...


Bay of Pigs's picture

You fucking retards arent worthy of posting here

yippee kiyay's picture
yippee kiyay (not verified) Bay of Pigs Nov 5, 2016 10:06 PM

Hillary= a cog = next potus. http://bit.ly/1p1jKnr

techies-r-us's picture
techies-r-us (not verified) stizazz Nov 5, 2016 10:07 PM

Can't wait to see what happens next.

stizazz's picture

Definitely not chaos like they're predicting.

techies-r-us's picture
techies-r-us (not verified) stizazz Nov 5, 2016 10:08 PM

Never know.

Vageling's picture

FFS, stop talking to yourself.

TeamDepends's picture

No one will listen otherwise.

Manthong's picture

Kennedy revised 2016…

“Ask not what government employees and appointees can do for you, ask how much you can work to assure a comfortable life for government employees and appointees.”

philipat's picture

SPAM ALERT: Serial spammer DO NOT click on his fake links which are completely unconnected to his comment.Current active accounts: Yippee Kiyay, lonnng, letsit, Mano-A-Mano, techies-r-us, beauticelli and stizazz plus some others under review. He doesn’t actively Spam with every account and uses some just to “talk to and congratulate himself”.
Previous names include but not limited to: mofio, santafe, Aristotle of Greece, Gargoyle, bleu, oops, lance-a-lot, Loftie, toro.
Shit Tylers, this asshole has more accounts than the rest of us combined!. Can’t you IP block him? And his conversations with himself are now taking up half of each thread.

SixIsNinE's picture

crafty ol' devil spammer ain't he!    good work Phil - i saw about to post "Where's Philipat" after the above "Where's Snowden" comment, but then saw you faithfully hounding away ...


11b40's picture

Of course. Good old Phil is desperate that no one clicks on those links from Yipee. He is probably Well paid b the JDL or Mossad. He trolls Yopwe, and seems to have a group that shows up to quickly insert a bunch of down votes.

Draybin Deffercon III's picture
Draybin Deffercon III (not verified) philipat Nov 6, 2016 12:50 AM

I think this is the same guy who used to spam teh "Angry Sinner Blog" everywhere which was kind of lame. Thanks to hedgers who have stuck with me, I am doing well in my recovery. I attend 2 BA (Bitcoin Anonymous) sessions every day and I am on 100mg of Cryptavin(TM) which helps with the severe come-down associated with pumping Bitcoin hard all over teh web for 5 years straight.

Oh, oh yeah...


oncemore's picture

I sent them several mails to abuse@zerohedge.com & they couldn't care less.

44magnum's picture

That's because only you assholes care. Don't click on the link pass over the comment. Instead everyone else has to scroll through your fucking useless comments creating more spam. Try fucking ignoring him. Trying using all that typing to comment on the article instead.

11b40's picture

They are an organized cabal of Zionists, trying to discredit what is exposed in the links posted, and hijack the thread. About as obvious as can be.

sinbad2's picture

"Abandoned the Cubans by refusing air cover."


Bay of Pigs's picture

I did my final paper in college on the subject and was born on that very day in April of 1961.

These guys are fucking idiots in the extreme. Full Retards.

Draybin Deffercon III's picture
Draybin Deffercon III (not verified) neidermeyer Nov 6, 2016 12:36 AM

Assange is brilliant and his assesment of the Trump phenomenon is spot on. And his comment about how people seek social distinction as it were, through isolation and stratification (ie, distancing yourself from perceived white trash) rather than "stronger together" as Hillary so dishonestly projects is so true.

Such a great point in history to be amongst 3%'ers, oath keepers and the deplorables. "And the last shall be first".

lil dirtball's picture

Ass-ange is a role player same as Trump and The Clintons.

What you are witnessing, dear fools, is limited hangout of a biblical size and scope. You all fear the NWO - but it's been here all along. They aren't telling you about any of this corruption and insider shenanigans other than to make it known that these are the new rules. Satan is now in front of the courthouse steps. You are under 24/7 electronic (and otherwise) surveillance. Has our buddy The Trump mentioned the demolition of the bottomless HD in Utah? I thought not.

You are all the victims of a well managed stage show. The New Age is here - all the dates have come to pass, Y2K, 12/12, 12/21, Blood Moons - you're now in it. The 'news' is merely telling you such. This isn't about change (we already did that) - this is how it is. Chaos will rule the near future.



Chris Dakota's picture
Chris Dakota (not verified) neidermeyer Nov 6, 2016 5:48 AM

"When you pull the curtian back it is Hillary Clinton pulling all the levers."

-Trey Gowdy


VinceFostersGhost's picture



Pizza and Beanie Baby party today kids.......hold the hotdogs!

JRobby's picture

One can "attempt" to take power away from the Fed.

Vermin: "My Mother attempted to take power away from the Fed once,..........once"

UmbilicalMosqueSweeper's picture

Bullshit on the "refusing air cover" remark. But at least he didn't waste a good Cuban cigar by sticking it up some jew pig sayanim's twat!

MANvsMACHINE's picture

I still think that 100 Assange lookalikes all running from the embassy and scattering throughout the streets of London would provide him a decent chance of getting out of there undetected.

On a more serious note, the man defines the word hero.

Clock Crasher's picture

JA will go down in the history books centuries from now.

John_Coltrane's picture

When I want to praise someone I call him a patriot.
Our founders were patriots who through the constitution and bill of rights tried to assure a more perfect union.
Patrick Henry was the greatest patriot of all the founders.
Julian Assuange is a patriot as is Snowden.
Ron Paul is a great patriot
And Donald Trump is a patriot who loves this country-not hates it like Obama and the wicked witch.

Indeed I hope future generation we will honor and remember our contemporary patriots as we do our founders who wanted to avoid the mistakes of the European war states like Great Britain. Jefferson, a great patriot tried to avoid this error but the traitor Hamilton overcame his objections to a central bank and a large standing army. And our freedom has suffered ever since.

Let's take that Patrick Henry's statement to "give me liberty or give me death" to heart if this election is stolen by the most vile disgusting evil scum ever to seek political office.

But I don't think that will happen. It will be a Trump landslide and then finally a Trumptivus for the deplorable rest of us!

Escrava Isaura's picture

Assange made a bet on helping Trump getting elected and he’s about to lose, so he’s all in.

Trump adviser reveals how Assange ally warned him about leaked Clinton emails



Joe Davola's picture

Well if someone threatens to kill you with state resources, what would you do?

Elco the Constitutionalist's picture
Elco the Constitutionalist (not verified) Joe Davola Nov 5, 2016 11:43 PM

Attempted not threatened.With all that surveillance an assassin was allowed to enter the embassy. And it was barely a blip in the media that the US and UK got caught red handed attempting a political assassination.

Publius Maximus's picture

"And it was barely a blip in the media"

Hmmm, I wonder why that is...

Is-Be's picture

The Daily Wire is edited by Ben Shapiro, a Jewish Lawyer, very sharp and as straight as a Die.

Continuing my thesis that no one gets near the throne without offering their head.

Both presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump and former President Bill Clinton have ties to convicted pedophile and Democratic donor, billionaire Jeffery Epstein and "Sex Slave Island." 


gonetogalt's picture

Let's see here, billionaires are a pretty select group, so one NY billionaire invites another to visit his private island in the Carib. Dude takes one trip, maybe gets the sanitized version, just a nice holiday at a great mansion but isn't particularly inclined to return.


Another guy, a politician, takes 26 trips and his wife takes 11...


How are these images different???

Rhetorical's picture

Then you havent been on teh internet at all in the last month or two.


Pedowood new - Pastebin.com

dsty's picture

thanks for the links, good stuff

dsty's picture

we have no photo's or video as promised.

not over yet

Clock Crasher's picture

Remember remember the 5th of November.

In fictional film only. 

Nice try tho.  no sarcasam.  I even respect them bluffing.  They are trying everything everyday (unless its all psyop).  This is one bad ass dragon. 

Smaug has nothing on this 21century evil. 

MANvsMACHINE's picture

We have about 90 minutes left (EDT) but I'd be okay with the sixth of November.

Clock Crasher's picture

Me too.  seventh and eight as well. 

ninth.. not so much.

Escrava Isaura's picture

That’s right. Massmedia tailor only to the elites because the general population is too poor and disenfranchised to matter.