"It's Time To Reassess Our Way Of Voting" Howard Marks Dashes Bipartisan "Wishful Thinking"

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Somewhat despondently, Oaktree Capital's Howard Marks begins his latest letter to investors by noting that "the outcome of the election won’t change these things as far as I’m concerned."

Angry Voters 

Of course, the big story of this election year has been the unprecedented, unconventional rise of Donald Trump.  Trump threw his hat into the ring with a complete lack of experience in elected office or other public service, and without an established campaign organization.  In fact, he had no established party’s ideology.  He adopted some Republican elements but rejected others.  And yet he has been able to attract a large group of voters, probably about 50 million strong.
He did this by assembling backing from an unusually diverse mix of elements.  These included dedicated Republicans who weren’t about to vote for a candidate of another party; the many Clinton haters who’ve had 24 years to gel since Bill’s first inauguration; people who were attracted to Trump’s celebrity, reputation for business success, outspokenness and colorful manner; and supporters of the right.  But this tells only part of the story.
The aspect I consider most important for the future relates to the Trump supporters – and some of the most active and vocal ones – who are motivated by an anger regarding “the system” that is neither purely emotional nor illegitimate.  
Many are older, white, non-college-educated men who might be described as “demographically dislocated.”  When these men were born, white males ran America; their communities weren’t mixed and becoming more so; and the cultural shifts occasioned by the civil and women’s rights movements, technological change and mass immigration were unimagined.   Certainly the shift to the America of today – with all these things quite different – might be jarring and unpleasant to the people I describe.

At the same time, many Americans – and often the same ones – are experiencing the effects of job loss and diminished economic prospects.  Fifty or even thirty years ago, men without college degrees could easily obtain good-paying jobs and the pride associated with being able to maintain their families at a good standard of living.  One earner per household was enough, and one job per earner.  Strong labor unions ensured adequate pay and benefits and protected workers from too-rapid changes in work rules and processes.
Now the number of unskilled jobs has been reduced by automation, foreign manufacturing and increased globalization of trade.  Unions are much less powerful in the private sector (name a powerful union leader of today who comes to mind).  Men of the sort described above – older, white and non-collegeeducated – are likely to have lost jobs, know someone who has, or seen the impact on their communities.

Importantly, until 2000, most Americans felt their children would live better than they did.  Now this is no longer true:

When asked if “life for our children’s generation will be better than it has been for us,” fully 76 percent said they do not have such confidence.  Only 21 percent did.  That was the worst ever recorded in the poll; in 2001, 49 percent were confident and 43 percent were not. . . . virtually all polling shows a steep decline in optimism since the late 1990s and early 2000s.  (The Washington Post, August 12, 2014)

Here’s a quote from Thomas Friedman in The International New York Times of June 30 that I used to sum up in “Political Reality” (August 2016).  As I wrote there, I think it does a great job of capturing the situation:

It’s the story of our time: The pace of change in technology, globalization and climate have started to outrun the ability of our political systems to build the social, educational, community, workplace and political innovations needed for some citizens to keep up.


We have globalized trade and manufacturing, and we have introduced robots and artificial intelligent systems, far faster than we have designed the social safety nets, trade surge protectors and educational advancement options that would allow people caught in this transition to have the time, space and tools to thrive.  It’s left a lot of people dizzy and dislocated.

What we have is a country – in fact, a world – that is changing rapidly and in ways that are unpleasant and disorienting for large segments of the population.  The present is different from the past, and the future looks worse than it used to.  Slower economic growth is producing less opportunity overall, and a number of forces are supplementing slow growth in diminishing the outlook.  Rising income inequality is directing an increasing share of the gains to top earners.  Older people lacking higher education are particularly ill-equipped to deal with the changes.
I think this is an apt description of conditions in the U.S., but it seems equally applicable to much of the developed world.  In an opinion piece on October 26, starting from the German point of view, Joachen Bittner of the International New York Times described a broad group he called Wutbürgers, or “angry citizens.”  I think they’re rising everywhere:

It is a relatively new expression, with a derogatory connotation.  A Wutbürger rages against a new train station and tilts against wind turbines.  Wutbürgers came out in protest after the Berlin government decided to bail out Greece and to accept roughly one million refugees and migrants into Germany.
Wutbürgers lie at both ends of the political spectrum; they flock to the right-wing Alternative für Deutschland and the socialist Linke (Left) Party.  The left wing has long had a place in German politics, and the Linke has deep roots in the former East Germany’s ruling party.  And we’ve had a fringe right wing since the postwar period began.  But the populist anger of the A.F.D. is something new: Anti-establishment, antiEuropean Union and anti-globalization. . . . 
The same thing is happening elsewhere in Europe: Many British Wutbürgers voted for Brexit.  French Wutbürgers will vote for Marine Le Pen’s National Front.  Perhaps the most powerful Wutbürger of them all is Donald J. Trump.

Which raises the question: How was anger hijacked?
In its pure form, anger is a wonderful force of change.  Just imagine a world without anger.  In Germany, without the anger of the labor movement, we would still have a class-based voting system that privileged the wealthy, and workers would still toil 16 hours a day without pension rights.  Britain and France would still be ruled by absolute monarchs.  The Iron Curtain would still divide Europe, the United States would still be a British colony and its slaves could only dream of casting a vote this Nov. 8.
Karl Marx was a Wutbürger.  So were Montesquieu [who articulated the concept of separation of powers within a government], William Wilberforce [the leader of the abolitionist movement in Britain], the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and the tens of thousands of Eastern German protesters who brought down the Berlin Wall in 1989. . . .
Now: Compare these spirits to the current parties claiming to stand for necessary change. . . .  Sadly, the leaders of today’s Wutbürger movements never grasped the difference between anger driven by righteousness and anger driven by hate.
Anger works like gasoline.  If you use it intelligently and in a controlled manner, you can move the world.  That’s called progress.  Or you just spill it about and ignite it, creating spectacular explosions.  That’s called arson.
Unfortunately, this lack of maturity and prudence today exists among not just the new populist class, but parts of the political establishment.  The governing class needs to understand that just because people are embittered and paranoid doesn’t mean they don’t have a case.  A growing number of voters are going into meltdown because they believe that politicians – and journalists – don’t see what they see. . . .
The grievances of white, often less-educated voters on both sides of the Atlantic are often dismissed as xenophobic, simplistic hillbillyism.  But doing so comes at a cost.  Europe’s traditional source of social change, its social democrats, appear to just not get it.  When Hillary Clinton calls half of Mr. Trump’s voters a “basket of deplorables,” she sounds as aloof as Marie Antoinette, telling French subjects who had no bread to “eat cake.” 
. . . Amid their mutual finger-pointing, neither populist nor established parties acknowledge that both are squandering people’s anger, either by turning this anger into counter-productive hatred or by denouncing and dismissing it.  Mrs. Clinton [making the presumption that she would win, as seemed clear on October 26] has the chance to change, by leading a political establishment that examines and processes anger instead of merely producing and dismissing it.  If she does, let’s hope Europe once again looks to America as a model for democracy.  (Emphasis added)

The point of all of this is that Trump is importantly supported by dislocated, disoriented voters who are angry about a number of unquestionably significant trends that are impacting them and their communities.  Regardless of the outcome of the election, they and their sentiments will remain a powerful force.

Marks goes on to note the importance of bipartisanship and heralds a call to action for Washington's drain-dwellers to do something before it's too late...

I’m frustrated when I see Americans of both parties failing to punish – or even encouraging – behavior on the part of their elected officials that is fractious, partisan, ideological and non-compromising.  Gridlock and inaction won’t solve our problems.  Cooperation, adaptability and Friedman’s “imagination” must be the watchwords for the years ahead. 


We need constructive action to solve the many problems we face, and there’s only one way for it to materialize: bipartisanship.

And worries over the flaws in our democracy...

There’s a good chance that this year’s election result will demonstrate the presence of elements capable of rendering our elections less than perfectly democratic.  The main culprit is the Electoral College.


Our system was designed in the eighteenth century to centralize the job of choosing a president in the hands of a few wise leaders and avoid the uncertainties associated with a widespread and uninformed populace with which it was hard to communicate.


But in the twenty-first century, with the impediments to a meaningful popular election much reduced, it’s time to reassess the benefits of the electoral college – it’s hard to say what they are – versus the costs in terms of potentially weird outcomes.  In the days just before the election, it seemed that for the second time in twelve years we could have a president who’d lost the popular vote.  That tells me it’s time to reassess our system of voting.  


The existence of the Electoral College can lead to other possible complications.


I’ll give you the answer: in the absence of an electoral majority, the president is chosen through a vote of the House of Representatives, with each state having one vote.  Thus, theoretically, the 26 least-populous states – containing just 17% of America’s people and, by definition, almost none of its big cities – could choose the president.  For me, regardless of the political makeup of the House, the loss of proportional election is of great concern.

Marks then touches on the role of money...

It wasn’t many years ago that contributions were limited to a couple of thousand dollars per candidate per race.  Now $100,000 isn’t an uncommon ask, and there are legitimate (but possibly cynical) ways to donate millions.  Given the amounts involved and the private sourcing, I find it hard to believe that elected officials are able to entirely ignore donors’ interests and preferences when they do their jobs.  I’m not talking about corruption, just a not-quite-level playing field.  This area is ripe for change.  But given that the Supreme Court ruled that political donations are “speech” and thus can’t be regulated, change would require a constitutional amendment or a different decision from the Supreme Court.

He is furthermore concerns at the outlook for the two parties...

One thing that’s uncertain as we move forward from here is what the future holds for the two main parties. 


Many voters crossed long-standing party lines during this campaign:

  • Working class Americans, traditionally Democrats, were attracted to Trump by his antiestablishment, non-politically-correct, “Make America Great Again” approach.
  • Big business, traditionally Republican, failed to support Trump, perhaps because of his anti-trade positions – even though he might well be a more pro-business president than Clinton.
  • College-educated white Republicans – and especially women among them – backed Clinton, presumably because of Trump’s controversial behavior and Clinton’s role as the first woman candidate.


Will these new party allegiances hold?  Or, if they arose largely because voters felt either attracted to or repelled by one of the 2016 candidates, will some or all of these developments reverse when the candidates are different?


The leaders of both parties were challenged this year by angry members.  Will those members stay with their parties, or will they be less rooted in the future and “up for grabs”?  The make-up – and the cohesiveness – of both parties is in flux, and thus the next election may be another that deviates from the usual path.


If Trump’s supporters desert the Republican party (or the political process) due to disenchantment with the behavior of its leaders, the party may have a hard time pulling together a meaningful following in future elections. 


“Trump has essentially run as an outsider who staged a hostile takeover of the Republican party.  If he loses, as is expected, he will still have won the votes of some 50 million voters or more, and they will represent a continuing, potent force, roiling with resentments,” said [David Gergen, an adviser to four presidents – three of them Republicans].  “Before Donald Trump brought his wrecking ball to the party, one might have thought it highly likely that Republicans could unite after yet another losing election.  But one of Trump’s many ugly legacies is that the chances of the party losing its coherence – or even breaking up – now seems better than 50:50.  (Financial Times, October 29/30 – clearly not a Democratic, or even an American, publication)


The Republicans’ plan after the defeat of Mitt Romney in 2012 centered around increasing its appeal to women and Hispanics and other minorities.  In this campaign, however, that effort probably went into reverse.


I think the Republican party faces real issues.  And my point here is that our country needs two strong parties, not an elected dictatorship.  With two strong parties there can be an active debate of ideas, and neither is able to operate unopposed in a Washington devoid of meaningful resistance.  The complete opposite of gridlock – free rein – isn’t desirable either.

But it is Marks' concluding thoughts that are most worrisome...

The political arena this year seems like a battlefield, divided much more than usual by antagonism, incivility, anger and downright hatred.  Elites, establishments, experts, incumbents, insiders, internationalists and political correctness all came under attack, with no one to defend them.  Slow economic growth – accentuated by continuing automation and international trade – is likely to continue to leave dissatisfaction within the working class.  And after having seen behavioral norms wiped away in the first x-rated campaign – and doubts raised about the impartiality of the FBI and even the fairness of our elections – large numbers of people may be left alienated.  When the election is over, these things are likely to remain the case.


But as I look forward, I see the need for constructive, bipartisan governmental action.  Is that wishful thinking?  Winning future elections could become a function of producing solutions, and that in turn could lead to cooperation and compromise between the two parties.  I’ll use a rarely seen word to describe my dream: comity.  Its definition makes it perfect for this use: “courtesy and considerate behavior toward others.”

The environment described above doesn’t feel like one that encourages comity or one in which the parties can function internally and work together.  Therefore we might have to hope that politicians will conclude not only that the future of the country requires bipartisanship, but that their own success does as well.
Unlikely?  Perhaps.  But after a post-election memo in 2012 that proved far too optimistic, I say, “why quit now?”

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Planetary Books's picture
Planetary Books (not verified) Nov 8, 2016 9:33 AM

The newest election day poll by the most accurate 2016 primary polling organization shows Donald Trump winning in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Florida and Georgia! http://bit.ly/2fyfBXx

knukles's picture

Meanwhile, this just in.
Occult worshipers sacrifice children for lost phones?


The operative here is "occult" 

Bipartisanship.  Sharing the fruits of the theft more or less equally, it seems.

Oh, I am so not looking forward to the aftermath, yelling, screaming, recriminations, impeachments, indictments, newspeak, MSM ...
Oh my.


MillionDollarBonus_'s picture

Most voters are angry about Trump’s bigotry, not the discredited ‘corruption’ allegations against Hillary. The accredited media has made sure that the stolen and forged Wikileaks documents were not able to influence too many Americans, in order to save our democracy and fight back against Putin. Millions of angry voters will turn out today to vote for Hillary, and end Trump and all candidates like him for eternity.

HopefulCynical's picture

Identifying Marx as a Whattaburger doesn't help the argument.

And absent the Electoral College, the ten largest cities choose every president from here on out.

It's good that ZH publishes stuff like this, because seeing different sides expressed is necessary for healthy cognitive function, but it's full of slick sophistry.

roddcarlson's picture

This article is so full of crap I don't know where to start. I'm not a dislocated white man. How can I be dislocated when I'm the one who invents and makes the goods? I'm a pissed off white man at seeing my country go third world. When I say third world I mean every possible low IQ third worlder living off welfare off the hard taxes I earn and pay. Then to see them bring in every uneducated low IQ future infidel killer and communist sympathizer. I'd like to think that we see South Africa on our future horizon, because we actually are intelligent and don't buy every boob tube argument.

But in short we won't accept South Africa as our future.

rejected's picture

You are one sickening POS but that said,,, I'm not so sure your wrong.

Byte Me's picture

The newest election day poll by the most accurate 2016 primary polling organization shows Donald Trump winning in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Florida and Georgia! http://bit.ly/2fyfBXx

HOW I wish - (and quietly beileve..)

What then, you envisage a humblr Hilary concession speech?

The MSM spouting "OH!!!! Our BAD"?

Have fun with the catharsis. Make sure the bitch gets the chair.

Handful of Dust's picture

 NAAPP (National Association for the Advancement of Pedo Peeples) just endorsed Hillary and Huma.

That's something, right?

Laddie's picture

I saw a photograph the other day of Bill and Chelsea Clinton at a rally of some sort and she was wearing an UPSIDE DOWN cross.
It is truly staggering what is the POWER in the USSA today.


Really disturbing investigation into all the evidence linking Clinton and her entourage to pedophilia and child trafficking:

The most bizarre Podesta email yet. Tony Podesta the brother of John Podesta is seen to be looking forward to an evening drinking blood, semen and breast milk in the home of Jewish ‘performance artist’ Marina Abramovic.
This brings to mind the many references to Jews drinking gentile blood in the middle ages

America’s Kosher Conservatives are Alarmed at the Sight of Real Conservatism

Kayman's picture

Another diversion from the real trend.  Corruption is growing like a cancer.  Jobs in China have been growing exponentially over the last 30 years while family-supporting American jobs were outsourced.

Technology, is a fact, but it is financed by cheap money. Cheap money comes from a big dirty thumb on the scale.

Intelligence_Insulter's picture

I'm not voting but I see that trump has broke the mold. 

Kayman's picture

Not voting means the criminals win.

rejected's picture

So,,, what is it when the criminals run the election system?

atthelake's picture

Not voting is the same as giving Killary a vote.

rejected's picture

Voted for 50 years, just got worse afterwards. Stopped voting election before the last one. I refuse to give my approval to the shitbox rigged system. And if you want to believe the elections aren't rigged that's your business. Every vote you give, gives them one vote to flip. Let me know in four years if anything improved. 

There's only one way to secure liberty and voting isn't it.

Doom Porn Star's picture

"There's only one way to secure liberty and voting isn't it. "


Truer words wrer never written.

BabaLooey's picture

I disagree.

Soetero did a hell of a lot of damage to the U.S. in the 8 years he has been in office.

The list is too long  - and if you cannot remember ALL the damage, you have BRAIN damage.

Trump can do a hell of a lot of GOOD to the U.S. - media, a feckless Congress be damned.

In fact, as spineless as Congress is, Trump will weed out those feckless bastards, and at the mid-term of his 1st. term, he people that elected him will elect those HE endorses, to effectively, DRAIN THE SWAMP.


Directdem's picture

If Hillary Clinton is elected president, there will be no further need of such discussion. Assuming her health doesn't fail her, by the end of her first term she will have so infiltrated the federal government with corruption, so warped the Supreme Court and the federal courts, and so undermined the rule of law -- to say nothing of the already-complicit media -- that no free or fair election will ever again be possible. Count on it. The whole system must fall and be replaced.


new game's picture

as the pedulum swings there is no stopping it til it reachs the end of the arc. its' reverse will bring change good or worse than the demise to the arcs end. it seems as though evil must prevail b/4 change for better or worse. i fear worse...

my vote wasn't counted, such a shame...

MopWater's picture

If Trump loses, it'll be take rope and guillotines before the pendulum turns back.

PoasterToaster's picture
PoasterToaster (not verified) Nov 8, 2016 9:41 AM

Maybe we don't need so much federal government in the first place. Seems to attract psychopaths that enslave the rest of us. Getting rid of that would solve the voting problem.

Stan522's picture

You eFFing have to be kidding....? Is this question retorical....?

The elite's have been allowed to do exactly what they want.... Soros owns the voting machines, illegals shipped in and vote, bus loads of people caravan around and vote where they want, dem/elite stuff ballots...

Why would they want to change any of this....? You're FUCKING TOO LATE!

Thebighouse's picture


I am not angry.  I am FRIGHTENED FOR OUR FUTURE.  And really, it may be too late.  But I am not a quitter.

The Black experiment is a failure.  Obama is a Sunni muslim.  He golfed us into 10 extra trillion of VISIBLE debt.

The amazingly crooked web of media, politicians (not only, but especially Hillary and Bill) who are

taking this country into bankruptcy and MAKING US APPLAUD IT for the benefit of a new world order must be stopped.  And punished.

Shame on them.


Thebighouse's picture

Sorry, duplicate post.

Bill of Rights's picture

Flaws in our Democracy? thats because it was NEVER INTENDED TO BE A DEMOCRACY in the first place.

rejected's picture

A republic if you can keep it. And we lost it.

I am a Man I am Forty's picture

"Many are older, white, non-college-educated men who might be described as “demographically dislocated.” "

Typical california and northeast elitist bullshit.  The system is fucking corrupt to the core.  That's why everyone is pissed.

I am a Man I am Forty's picture

"Elites, establishments, experts, incumbents, insiders, internationalists and political correctness all came under attack, with no one to defend them. "

Am I reading this wrong?  Is he being serious?

cable1's picture

So the fact is that none of the people at the top get this election. This article repeats the same old bullshit about the disenfranschised older white man and that isn't really the case. The people that support Trump are the working class, small business owner, middle class people. even management people that aren't in industries that benefited for easing or low interest rates. It's military people that see endless bush fire wars that don't solve anything and an administration that currently is trying to support both sides. It's law enforcement that are tired of the Justice Department labeling them every time some criminal gets shot if he is the wrong color. It's people sick of the obvious corruption and sick of the obvious cronyism between government and certain industries. It's millineals sick of the cultural marxism on campus and in society in general.  It's that 70 percent of the population that's share of the wealth of this country has been slowly transferred to others.

Certainly some of us wish for a better candidate, but Thomas Jefferson has been dead for a couple of centuries and Donald Trump is the choice we have left.

I have a college degree, was a commissioned officer in the military, so I don't fit that mould, but I still support Trump over any other offering out there.

NumberNone's picture

Let's see...the voters in this country have elected officials that agree to a specific methodology for letting in immigrants.  We have millions upon millions of illegal immigrants crossing the border every year.  Was there a vote to allow this to happen?  Was there a public debate on whether or not this sea of demographic change was something we were all okay to?  Can I see the agreed upon contract between us for this?  

Basically the TPTB allowed this to happen without public approval and now it's the voting public who are the ridiculous 'angry white guys'.  

11b40's picture

Yes Sir!  And, a snappy salute to you.

HRH of Aquitaine's picture
HRH of Aquitaine (not verified) Nov 8, 2016 9:55 AM

The rise of the Watburgers! Good. Count me in as a Watburger who voted for Trump. Fuck the globalists.

Darktarra's picture

Hmm, then as a black male American who is tired of the corrupt system, where do I fall in this world of dumb whites who are protesting?  

I voted Trump because I see that the Wizard of Oz, the man behind the curtain is just a frail old greedy self-centered man who wants nothing more but to control ever aspect of other peopls' lives.  

And I am far from being 'lowly educated': 

Black, early 50's.   El Camino jr College.  AA Music and Chemistry. 

Transferred UC Berkeley and double majored in Physics and Astronomy.  Graduated June 1992, walked across the stage twice ... the audience was a little stunned.   


Run my own computer consulting business doing Oracle DBA, UNIX/Linux/AIX, VMWare, programming, ect..  See my linkedin page here:  [url]https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-dunbar-95776a15[/url]


I fly R/C and full scale gliders out of Estralia Glider park down in Maricopa Arizona, 


I play rock and jazz guitar. 


I have flown amateur and professional payloads out of Black Rock Nevada (Tripoli Balls Launches) and with NASA programs.   


Did I mention I was black?!  


I am holder of many National records in the National Association of Rocketry.  I also fly with Tripoli, and RRS, but not active.    


Oh and I voted for Donald Trump two weeks ago: 




and then came to my senses and voted a PURE Republican ticket despite Paul Ryan:




Oh, did I mention I was black?!?   Ham radio operator: KE6WBO.  My AMA #is 33414 ... 


Now how is that for an education and I am not done with my life just yet!   


So what category do you place me in?  Sell out house coon?  Confused negro?   I have no felonies, own a Glock 19 and an AR-15 ... am I dangerous ... I guess to you racists and hilliary supporters someone like me is VERY DANGEROUS to your rule! 


Trump 2016!  And if he doesn't make it in,  my skills will go towards the liberation of America in the not so near future:


America is over $230 TRILLION in debt.  Every year, the budget gets reset and all the previous years budgets are all added together: scroll down to the section: National debt for selected years  [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_of_the_United_States[/url]  


For every dollar the United States makes, $0.75 towards servicing the total aggregate debt you suckers!   


Now I am negro, my excuse for being [STUPID] (sic) is my race ... as most of you here are of Western European heritage what is your excuse?  No really, what is your excuse for allowing your country to spiral down the toilet?  Can any of you explain to this lowly negro on the other side of your screen why you throw away your birthright, the greatest country in the history of mankind?  Please educate this poor lowly negro...


rejected's picture

Good post.... As for whitey,,, he's on the lamb right now, brow beaten to death. At this point I'm not sure he is able to defend himself. It will be up to people like yourself who realize liberty has no favorite color and tyranny loves division.

shovelhead's picture

We were busy and hired assholes to handle things for us, then those assholes changed the rules to get paid by other assholes so they could ignore us and do whatever the fuck they want. Everybody got rich on our earnings.

It ain't rocket science.

Any other questions?

Boxed Merlot's picture

Please educate this poor lowly negro...


Seems you've the tools to do all the educating of yourself your self.  As for allowing the country to spiral down the toilet, it's quite evident Madam Queen of the Swamp has positioned herself as the middle cog between the spinning cogs designed to turn while engaged with just one or two others.  Her presence in the otherwise constructive mechanism is what will produce the gridlock or seizure the author of this article is bemoaning and which his magic word of "comity" is supposed to cure.


I recall a letterhead of a state agency in California which had three gears, each engaged with the other as a visual depicting their usefulness to us, their constituents.  The problem was that from an engineering standpoint, and as real life experience makes abundantly clear, there's not a more effective means to assure nothing gets done than to have each locked into each other.


“Comity” is only possible if there is a recognizable difference between the parties prior to their desiring to cooperate with one another.  This given is not accounted for properly before the “solution” is offered.  Politely extending a trusting hand in fellowship has been interpreted as weakness and this cannot stand, so don’t expect the grace to continue.

Regardless of the outcome, whoever places oneself in the center of the gearing has been placed on a slippery slope.  As Jonathan Edwards taught in his proper view towards the topic of anger and its use in his wake up sermon of 1741:  “To me belongeth vengeance and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste…”  Deuteronomy 32:35





Vooter's picture

"Can any of you explain to this lowly negro on the other side of your screen why you throw away your birthright, the greatest country in the history of mankind? Please educate this poor lowly negro..."

Agreed with pretty much everything you said until you hit the "greatest country in the history of mankind" wall. The exceptionalism virus certainly runs deep, now, doesn't it? The fact of the matter is, there are literally billions of people around the globe living perfectly happy, fulfilling lives in their own "less than greatest" countries--all without the help of the United States and/or its citizens (of which I happen to be one, primarily because I happened to drop out of my mother's womb on U.S. soil). I'm sincerely impressed with your achievements, but frankly, LOTS of people around the globe achieve great things. Seriously, Americans really need to get over themselves and learn some humility--we're just another random group of people assembled on a random chunk of land on a random planet in space. If the U.S. goes down the drain, it won't be the first, and it won't be the last country or empire to do so. And the world will get over it and survive...

11b40's picture

Thank you for this post.  I think we all needed it, and it is fine way to cap off this election day.

What so many fail to grasp is, this is not about race, religion, or Nationality.  It isn't Mexicans or Indians or even Muslims, per se.

This is about America, and what this country has stood for.  High ideals that celebrate the the rule of law, and the equality thus transcribed, have been our National struggle for over 200 years.  Far from perfect as it may have been, ours is the story of mankind constantly striving for the moral high ground codified in in our founding documents.  It has not been easy for society, and at times even bloody, but it makes me proud to read your post and know of the achievements that can be attained, regardless of color or creed.  That is exactly as it should be.

I welcome people of goodwill and intent who come to America LEGALLY and WANT to become Americans.  People who embrace the culture and seek the personal freedoms offered, yet recognize that freedom and license are not the same thing.  People who bring skills and a willingness to contribute toward preserving and improving that culture by assimilating.

Corruption is the enemy.  If you enter the country illegally, or overstay a visa, you are corrupt.  If you are a politician, and promise voters one thing, then turn around and do the opposite for the benefit of a select few, you are corrupt.  Sadly, corruption has seeped into the culture and has become an accepted way of life for far too many.  

What is missing at the highest levels of so many segments of society is men of character.

atthelake's picture

If Kill, Bill, Chels and many other were convicted of TREASON, what would the punishment, likely, be?

Debtpool's picture

Maybe a run-in with those autonomous firearms that liberals think do all the "mass shooting"?

Mena Arkansas's picture

Howard Marks was born in 1946 and raised in Queens, New York. Although his family was ethnically Jewish, he was raised as a Christian Scientist.


Friedman is Jewish. He attended Hebrew school five days a week until his Bar Mitzvah, then St. Louis Park High School, where he wrote articles for his school's newspaper. He became enamored of Israel after a visit there in December 1968, and he spent all three of his high school summers living on Kibbutz HaHotrim, near Haifa. He has characterized his high school years as "one big celebration of Israel's victory in the Six-Day War."


What’s Behind Germany’s New Anti-Semitism - Jochen Bittner


Consuelo's picture





Perfecto, Billy Jeff.


Fucking K!ke sophistry is all this was from the very first paragraph.   Always putting themselves 'outside & above' the 'rabble' of the disgruntled Goyim.   

It ain't working anymore, dear Howie Marks...

wisehiney's picture

That is one transparent jackass.

Gotta love how they pretend to be fair and reasonable.

And he does not even know that he still comes off as a total scheming, lying scumbag.

Nunya Bidness Gogl's picture

To us, yes.

To the masses of ignorant goy, not so much.

See, when you get enough of these scumbags, repeating these lies often enough, many people believe them, even though they are lies.

It's called propaganda, and it's the most serious problem we face.

One thing gives me hope, the internet and therefore young people don't seem to be buying it any more.

Handful of Dust's picture

Another misinformation article striving to divert attention away from the blatant corruption in our government and the DNC, mainly involving crooked Hillary and the Clinton Foundation.

rejected's picture

"Many are older, white, non-college-educated men who might be described as “demographically dislocated.”  When these men were born, white males ran America; their communities weren’t mixed and becoming more so; and the cultural shifts occasioned by the civil and women’s rights movements, technological change and mass immigration were unimagined"

Jesus, when will this shit stop! White's, especially men, of today have been accused of everything done years and years ago to the sun rising every morning. Yes there was discrimination but that is mostly gone (fixing to return due to articles like this).... And the mass immigration? He forgot to mention the illegal part.

Non college educated? Take a look at our colleges today. Hell, whitey eliminated segregation years ago but the minorities are demanding it now. Where are the cries of racism?

At some point whitey, you are either going into the night silently or you are going to defend yourselves. I used to laugh at posters when they mentioned white genocide,,, no more. I now think they're spot on.