Rudy Giuliani Addresses Hillary Pardon - "President Obama Should Leave It To The System"

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Rudy Giuliani, the man that many believe Trump will tap for Attorney General, walked a very fine line this morning in responding to a question about whether or not the Obama administration should pardon Hillary Clinton for her numerous alleged crimes.  While noting the obvious intricacies around potentially prosecuted a former political foe, Giuliani noted that "there are deep and disturbing issues there" and that "President Obama should leave it to the system that we all believe in to determine, is she innocent or is she guilty.”  Per The Hill:

“I don’t like to see America become a country in which we prosecute people, you know, about politics.  On the other hand, there are deep and disturbing issues there in which if you don’t investigate them -- ”


“That’s why I don’t think President Obama should pardon her,” Giuliani added. "I think President Obama should leave it to the system that we all believe in to determine, is she innocent or is she guilty?”


Giuliani added that declining to probe the Clinton Foundation’s questionable finances could set a poor precedent for similar investigations.


“It’s hard to investigate other people,” said Giuliani.


“What do you say to a foundation where you have a fraud of $50,000 when you haven’t looked at a foundation of where there is an alleged fraud in the millions or hundreds of millions of dollars? Now, it may be true that it’s not true. But it hasn’t been investigated.”

Here is Giuliani's full interview on Fox News this morning (fast forward to the 4:20 mark for the Clinton Foundation question):


The questioning of Giuliani this morning came after the White House Press Secretary offered the following cryptic answer yesterday to a question about whether or not Obama would pardon Hillary.  Of course, by refusing to offer a denial, many have since speculated that a pardon is at least under consideration.


While we're certainly not legal experts, it is unclear how the Obama administration can pardon Hillary when no actual crime has been charged at this point in time.

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wildbad's picture

Obama should do nothing!

No indictment no pardon. The worst he could fo is indict them now.

freewolf7's picture

Nuke her from orbit.

It's the only way to be sure.

roxyNL's picture


Giuliani should first be judged for 911


Beam Me Up Scotty's picture

Pardon her for what?  Democrats say she committed no crimes, she hasn't been charged with anything.  Yet.  What are we going to do start issuing pardons for future actions?  Or future charges??  The mere suggestion of it by the Obama administration is tacit admission of guilt!!  Banana Republic 101!!

847328_3527's picture

I hope they ignore those 18 federal crimes Comey listed. I don't think they are relevant. Plus, it doesn't matter she failed to wake up during the Benghazi slaughter. Those Special Ops teams waiting to go in and save the ambassadore were probably busy playing poker, right?

stacking12321's picture

giuliani is a complete piece of shit and a traitor who covered up evidence of the crime that was 9/11, and who also stabbed first responders in the back, among other things.

corbett report did an 11 minute segment on this:

9/11 Suspects: Rudy Giuliani

asteroids's picture

With respect Rudy is kinda wrong. Witch hunts are incredibly destructive and distracting. Better to pardon her like Nixon. With the understanding that her and slick Willy NEVER return to Washington. Just don't fucking send the to Canada, there's already a long line of kooks looking to get in.

smithcreek's picture

Yes, but the Clinton Foundation should be investigated and destroyed even if they can't actually nail Hillary.

MillionDollarBonus_'s picture

Hillary didn’t do anything wrong – she was exonerated TWICE by the FBI! Leave her alone!!!

Fish Gone Bad's picture

Obama does not like Hillary or Bill.  That said, he does take marching orders from Podesta.

TeamDepends's picture

Of course she is a lucie!!! She is a card-carrying Alinskyite. Rules Ror Radicals is dedicated to "Lucifer".

jcaz's picture

It will depend on how large Obama's check from the Clinton Foundation is....

TeamDepends's picture

Can't wait to see Josh Earnest working at Starbucks. "That was a triple latte, Josh. Now make it right!"

nightwish's picture

implying employees never try to protect their boss

Beam Me Up Scotty's picture

"Better to pardon her like Nixon. With the understanding that her and slick Willy NEVER return to Washington."

And take away EVERY asset they have.  EVERY SINGLE ILL GOTTEN ASSET.  Make them work like everyone else to put a roof over their head and food on the table---and to buy their own HIGH COST HEALTCARE!!  Make them POOR.  Then I will agree with your statement.  A grand compromise.

shovelhead's picture

Fuck that.

Break the law, go to jail.

Railroading an innocent person is a witch hunt. Serving justice is what courts are supposed to do. Asset forfeiture of ill-gotten gains is part of that process. Use the funds to build the Clinton Memorial Sewerage Treatment Plant.

BullyBearish's picture


The U.S. and Russia team up against the Oligarchs...take their wealth, distribute it to the people from whom it was stolen and put the Oligarchs in prison

Gead's picture

First off MDB, whoever the hell you are, I congratulate the geneticist who was able to combine goat dung with cockroach semen to produce you. What a scientific achievement!! And as for Hillary, she obviously is about as innocent as the dindu's that make up the party and forces you seem to represent and even today are assaulting innocent persons going about their everyday lives. The simple matter is that she is a criminal. As in, she broke laws we all must recognize and adhere to lest we state we have no legal system whatsoever. And all criminals - regardless of any factor (age, gender, race, ethnicity, religion, bias, sexuality choices, educational level, wealth or poverty) - need to be judged the same. It is why the statue of Justice is blindfolded. And that is what 'rule of law' is all about. To cause any exeption to become allowable is to negate the entire process. And it is long past time this nation woke up to the reality of facts. Not conjectures, opinion, assumptions, wishes, dreams, hopes.... just facts. Clinton's actions were of many natures - treasonous, larcenous, obstructive to justice...... to name just 3. And anyone who lets her slide, gives her a pass, needs to examined as to their own connection to her and their motives to advocate protecting her; thereby, requiring an equal administration of the same system of justice in this country.

DjangoCat's picture

You know, MDB, you are a dangerous woman.  Would you have the US at war with Russia?  Send more young men and women to their deaths, spend more money the government does not have?  You really are a piece of work.

Chuck Walla's picture

Juries exonerate, spineless FBI directors take orders.

fleur de lis's picture

MDB, you are so hell bent on going to war with the Ruskies.

So why don't you sign up and ask to be deployed with the first wave. 

You can absorb all the Ruskie bullets.

You and the parasitic spawn of our warmongering DC slave drivers. 

NewHugh's picture

Well the weasel crawled out of his hole to post another troll.  Don't click this asshole's link.  Just by reading his comments it's obvious he's a moron....

asteroids's picture

Fair enough. I'd buy a ticket to see that.

Joe Davola's picture

I waivered on this, but the investigation has to proceed.  You can't go into anything with the Clintons With the understanding, because they have proven time and time again, they will lie and stonewall and conspire to find a way around every law.  There can be no understanding with people who will argue the meaning of is.

Not My Real Name's picture

"Witch hunt" is a very poor choice of words and implies searching for something that doesn't exist. There is plenty of evidence out there that supports an indictment of Hillary for violations of US laws and crimes against the American people.

Allen_H's picture

Very true, the wording is important, this Luciferian demon(fact, not fiction) should hang in a public courtyard after a very brief trial, with no paid meals.

11b40's picture

Maybe you have not figured it out yet, but this election was all about destruction.

smithcreek's picture

The pardon will be for nothing specific, like "for any crimes commited while serving as Sect. of State", and they'll claim it was to protect her from the lunatic Donal Trump and lynch mob of deplorables, even though she did nothing wrong.

Stackers's picture

You have to be convicted before you can be pardoned.....

LoneStarHog's picture

No!...Read Article II, Section 2.

shovelhead's picture

Correct. If you can indict a ham sandwich you can also pardon one.

LoneStarHog's picture

President Nixon was neither charged nor indicted. He was threatened with Impeachment and convinced to step down for the good of the country.

President Ford issued a Presidential Pardon that ended any possible charges against Nixon.

wildbad's picture

wrong pardon presumes indictment at least if not conviction

LoneStarHog's picture

I repeat:

President Nixon was neither charged nor indicted. He was threatened with Impeachment and convinced to step down for the good of the country.

President Ford issued a Presidential Pardon that ended any possible charges against Nixon.

Dr. Spin's picture

No, Oblama should DO something. He should go hit the links and STFU.

It ain't over folks, not by a long shot...


Kirk2NCC1701's picture

Correct!  She has NOT BEEN CHARGED with anything.  She was merely INVESTIGATED, and they concluded that there is nothing worth prosecuting.

FYI, ppl... the President's authority to "Pardon" comes from the Constitution.  Read Articke II, Section 2, Para.1(

"The President ... shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment."

You heard Comey:  No Offense was committed.  Thus no 'Pardon' can be given.  Note also that there is a LIMIT to what he can do, as the Impeachment part shows.  He cannot pardon on "Speculation" or the "Possible", as he and the DNC legal weasels may argue.  

The Impeachment constraints makes it clear that Pardons are not to be use and abused as a political tool, but to show Mercy, where Innocence or Mercy is otherwise not possible in a Just Society.  When that is corrupted, you no longer have a Just Society, based on the Rule of Law.

shovelhead's picture

Nixon got pardoned without charges being filed so court precedent apparently extends that power to 'possible' Offenses as well. Nixon stepped down before Articles of Impeachment were levied against him and the Senate chose to drop the issue on his resignation.

The confusion arises thus:

"A pardon can be issued from the time an offense is committed, and can even be issued after the full sentence has been served. It cannot, however, be granted before an offense has been committed, which would give the President the power to waive the laws."

The offense committed does not have to be adjudicated to completion, but merely occur before the Pardon. A pardon cannot be issued before a crime occurred, thereby allowing a future crime committed after a pardon to go unpunished, in essence, waiving the law.

Obama can pardon Clinton today, but that wouldn't allow her to steal the tungsten in the FED RES tomorrow and get away with it.

Interestingly enough, a Presidential pardon only extends to Federal Law (Crimes against the United States) but doesn't shield someone from violations of State Law if those charges are lodged after the Pardon is granted.

Get busy Preet.

spastic_colon's picture

EXACTLY!! the best thing to do is allow the tranistion and swearing in on 1-20-17 and let the new admin convene; then indict........i dont know much about pardons but dont you have to be convicted of something first?

Hugh G Rection's picture

Been awhile since I have visited ZH...  Always happy to see informed comments.  Yes, Giuliani was a key 9/11 perp that covered for the Israeli Mossad caught with truck bombs.

I have many "truther" friends that are hopeful Trump will expose the truth.  I remain dubious.  If he loads up his cabinet with neocons like this traitor then that pipe dream is over.

Here's a fun exercise folks.  Google this quote from an FBI document pertaining to the 9/11 attacks and let me know who said it... "Give us twenty years and we will take over your media and destroy your country." 

X_in_Sweden's picture
X_in_Sweden (not verified) roxyNL Nov 10, 2016 10:52 AM

"Giuliani should first be judged for 911".

Unfortunately, the rot goes deep.

Very Deep.

Guliani is tainted goods; a co-conspirator in 9/11, and, his from childhood Mafia Connection.

He should never be AG.

If he is appointed, then you can be 100% certain Trump has/was co-opted.

Trust Me on this one folks.

I'm well versed in the NYC corruption racket.


Erek's picture

When the swamp gets drained you find a lot of nasty things in the muck.

Neochrome's picture

Dude, casting for "People of Earth" show is that way. ------>

robertsgt40's picture

There's nothing  obama can pardon Hitlery for. She hasn't been charged, much less convicted. A pardon can't be stored for future use. Melt the witch . 

Exalt's picture

That reference is killing me >.<

jbvtme's picture

has she been convicted of a crime?

USisCorrupt's picture

So true, save the indictment for after Obummer leaves.

LadiesLoveCoolJames's picture

Trump won't do shit! It's all a club and you know it. Obama could've held a giant war crimes trial with 60 members of President Cheney's crew, but he did not.