Is "Fake News" The New 'Conspiracy Theory'?

Tyler Durden's picture

Via The Daily Bell,

Barack Obama on fake news: ‘We have problems’ if we can’t tell the difference The US president denounced the spate of misinformation across social media platforms, including Facebook, suggesting American politics can be affected. -Guardian

Is fake news the new “conspiracy theory.” We’ve read that it may be, and it seems likely to us.

That’s because “conspiracy theory” has seemingly lost credibility as a way of dismissing anti-mainstream critiques, and it can be argued that “fake news” is being substituted.

We recently wrote about the decline and fall of “conspiracy theory” as an effective denigration of Deep State critiques. You can see the article here.

This make sense to us because the CIA was apparently responsible for disseminating the initial “conspiracy theory” meme, and “fake news” could certainly have been developed to take its place.

Secondly, as reportedly some 50 percent of Americans now believe in so-called “conspiracies,” it’s very obvious a elite replacement was needed.

Some caveats: Regarding this second point, it’s very likely that many more than 50 percent of Americans believe in conspiracy theories. And the substitution of “fake news” is a very unappealing alternative.


President Barack Obama has spoken out about fake news on Facebook and other media platforms, suggesting that it helped undermine the US political process.


“If we are not serious about facts and what’s true and what’s not, if we can’t discriminate between serious arguments and propaganda, then we have problems,” he said during a press conference in Germany.


Since the surprise election of Donald Trump as president-elect, Facebook has battled accusations that it has failed to stem the flow of misinformation on its network and that its business model leads to users becoming divided into polarized political echo chambers.

Our mission is to cover elite memes – propaganda that scares people into giving more control to the government – and having Obama comment on “fake news” is part of a standard meme reinforcement.

The “fake news” meme is all over search-engine news and prominent people like Obama are speaking out about the meme and basically endorsing it.

But it all strikes us as rather desperate.

Conspiracy Theory is far less prone to analysis than “fake news.” It has persisted so long and been so successful because it is difficult to quantify a “conspiracy” and thus the dismissal cannot be either confirmed or denied.

“Fake news” however, lends itself to fact-checking. One may not wish for a variety of reasons to delve into “conspiracy theory,” but if someone is told he or she is espousing fake news, the resultant irritation may move that person to further research.

When we coined the term Internet Reformation, our idea was that the information available via the ‘Net would generate a gradual process of enlightenment – and an accretion of truth. In fact, this process is occurring, in fits and starts.

If “conspiracy theory” really has lost impact – and apparently it has – as a way of debunking criticism of the Deep State, this is certainly a setback for modern propaganda.

Additionally, “when it comes to “fake news,” the mainstream media is going to have to speak with one voice in order to disparage factual information.

But fewer and fewer people believe the mainstream media. Thus, if the media places its communicative muscle behind tarring certain cogent criticisms as “false,” it will likely only speed up the decline of mainstream credibility.

Conclusion: Of course, those in power could ban the Internet outright, but it’s probably too late for that – and wouldn’t work effectively in any case.

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Cabreado's picture

You reflect the chaos, at best.

letsit's picture
letsit (not verified) Cabreado Nov 22, 2016 10:40 PM

What if the FAKE news is that Trump actually won the election when in fact he and his money buddies bought it outright.

J S Bach's picture

"Conspiracy Theories" only seem to be legitimate when the left proposes them.  Funny how that works.

beauticelli's picture
beauticelli (not verified) J S Bach Nov 22, 2016 10:49 PM

When it comes to money and power conspiracies are real and abound.

Rey dTutto's picture

Th following made me lol.

“If we are not serious about facts and what’s true and what’s not, if we can’t discriminate between serious arguments and propaganda, then we have problems,” 

My guess is that too many conspiracies have been confirmed for the good old standby "tinfoil" label/libel to stick. Now it's Propaganda and "Fake News", and the "Trustworthy" source police try to censor the 'net. 

I know folks who watch American Pravda, and confirmation bias or no, they don't want to Know. If it affects or can affect them personally, they panic. 

aurum4040's picture

The elite government and establishment have lost control and they are never regaining it. The Trump victory was the final push that turned the wheel over, it will never stop, the establishment fought insanely hard to prevent Trump from winning, to prevent us from determing the truth and they couldn't do it. The harder they fought, the more voters Trump secured. As time goes on and if they continue to fight the wheel as they have, the wheel will only move faster. The new world has arrived. 

Mustafa Kemal's picture

Its nice to dream, but the tentacles of the elite are entering as we speak. How much he can fend them off, we will see

Nobodys Home's picture


navy62802's picture

The internet will never be banned. As much as powerful people hate it, there is no better tool with which to control people and implement mass surveillance.

Instead, the "social media" and other Silicon Valley giants are implementing Stalinist censorship policies. The funny part is that the more stuff they ban, the more attention it will garner. It is very similar to the effect observed when the media dog-piled Donald Trump in this election.

nailgunner44's picture

The "Streisand effect" some may call it.

jmack's picture

Brian Williams says that fake news is destroying this country...

Nobodys Home's picture

Didn't he say he got a dvt and died?

Fizzy Head's picture

Ahhhh.. That's what the pot calling the kettle black means.

cbxer55's picture

Do you really care what brain williams says? His name doesn'te even deserve to be capitalized.

jmack's picture

You have much to learn in properly caricaturing your opposition, young padawan.

Chris Dakota's picture
Chris Dakota (not verified) jmack Nov 23, 2016 6:17 AM

Brian Willams' 32 Lies

Lyin’ Brian Williams has finally admitted, “I said things that weren’t true … I let down my NBC colleagues.”

The embattled anchor made the apology Thursday as NBC announced he is being replaced as the anchor of “Nightly News” by Lester Holt following an exhaustive internal probe into his tall tales.

Williams, who will now serve as a breaking news anchor for MSNBC, said in a statement issued by NBC, “I’m sorry. I said things that weren’t true. I let down my NBC colleagues and our viewers, and I’m determined to earn back their trust.


BabaLooey's picture

Fact is fiction......

Fiction is fact.............

The fact is, fiction can pass for fact, then shown fictiously............ 

Fiction can be made to "look" like fact....

But fact can also be made to "look" like fiction...

This is the internet........all of us have computers.

Photoshop. Editing. Forgery Made Simple.

Damn near anyone can produce something that damns something...or...glorifies anyone......

Emails can be "manufactured" to "look" can be altered to insert anything/anyone into damn near anything....

It's getting to the point where I don't trust anything I see or read on the net......



Sub MOA's picture

HAHA  as true as that is "anything can be faked"  let us not forget that any medium can and has been "faked and forged"  since the written word not mention the so-called artists renditions  and photo editing via dark room trickery with the advent of (then) modern photography...


My point is this the fucking shit has been being "faked"  ever since assholes figured out they could ... it is not the fucking internets doing has just made it faster to get the fakes and forgeries spread around ...   it is the same old BS he said she said  nonsense  "truth"  is become a religion and as all religions it is corrupt and left to 1000 different interpretations .... it's all gray ... as a poster before me said "I read news that suits my world view" 


well there you haveit !!!     what ever bounces around in your head AKA your own little precieved universe is what you will gravitate towards one likes opposition but everyone loves to oppose same goes for imposing ... 


now that I've imposed my view upon you I'm done !


Happy Hunting   No one is impartial, no one is un-biased   it's 1 side or the other pick one defend it and stop trying to "rationalize " every thing


"If it isn't worth dying for then it isn't worth keeping or fighting for"  

BlindMonkey's picture

"Remember the Maine!"



Yup.  False flag bullshit has been around for some time.

Lore's picture

No. There is bullshit and sophistry and confirmation bias and yellow journalism, AND THEN there is MORALITY and BALANCED REPORTING and pursuit of the goddamned TRUTH.

Flat Earth News: An Award-Winning Reporter Exposes Falsehood, Distortion and Propaganda in the Global Media (Nick Davies, 2009)

Mustafa Kemal's picture

"Barack Obama on fake news: ‘We have problems’ if we can’t tell the difference The US president denounced the spate of misinformation across social media platforms, including Facebook, suggesting American politics can be affected."

After the media, polling, FBI, DOJ parade of lies, we have to be worried about somebody not saying this correctly on facebook.  Magnificent.

daveO's picture

Said Barack Hussein Obama, who was also named Barry Soetoro, and who was listed as an 'African-American' on his (fake) birth certificate back before the term had even been invented. He ought'a know.

ebworthen's picture

The hive mind buzzes, but apparently 1/2 of the Nation isn't listening, or believing.

Twee Surgeon's picture

It depends which Hive you are in, at the end of the day, as apparently there are two hives. One is full of wasps and the other full of fly's.

The one full of fly's was once full of Bees and Honey but the thoughtfull Bee's voted to let the flies in, by way of their natural compassion.

Now there is no more Honey and no more Bees.

The Wasps hive is buzzing.

alexcojones's picture

Sometimes I think I'm fake.

Then I see faker folks doing just fine in the so-called "real world"

Ms No's picture

Refusing to be phony is very costly in our culture.  I sometimes wonder if I would be on top of the world if I could just get myself to play the game.  I am actually pretty sure I would be.  You know, always say the right things and behave as the stereotypical beautiful perfect social ideal.  You would always take the position that is popular at the time and just maneuver and be a kiss-ass.  I sometimes think about experimenting on what would happen if I did that but then I am like, nah.  Fuck them.

shovelhead's picture

So much simpler in the old days.

All you needed was a cutlass.

Clara Tardis's picture

The "fake news" storyline arrived the same time 100's of researches, journalists, bloggers, youtubers, citizen journalists started uncovering the twisted links of DC pedophilia, sex trafficking, blackmail, torture, satanism and elected officials, that goes all the way to the oval office.

Remember the weekend before the election? "Oh, be on the look-out for a whopper to appear, you know a fake story"?!

Wiki-podesta emails...


Frito's picture

I see that Redit has quite recently killed off the pizzagate sub.

Moved over to (which is struggling valiantly under the sudden load):


Hopefully not too much information or momentum was lost due the this shift though. This investigation has a good chance of showing just how incompetent/complicit the authorities in many places throughout the world are. Possibly the biggest story of the year (bigger than the election of Trump). If only 10% of the stuff discussed there is right, it is still the most sickening shit you could possibly imagine. We'll see.

Mena Arkansas's picture

The main hub of #pizzagate research got shoah-ed on Reddit this afternoon.

Research activities have relocated to

Although the jury is still out - except at #fakenews central the NYT -

There is a long record to indicate a satanic global elite engages in pedophilia, ritual child abuse and possibly murder.

See the Franklin Scandal, Jimmy Savile, Dutroux Affair, etc

These are powerful people that appear to be protected by a powerful force.

Victor999's picture

"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms."  We will never overcome these forces on our own.  And they will only grow - indeed, they must grow to the final consummation.

messystateofaffairs's picture

I read the "news" that fits my worldview. I try to filter out BS but I'm sure a good bit gets thru to me anyway. Same for libtrards I'm sure except bullshit concentrate is a dietary staple for them in my opinion.

My worldview sez I need to be left alone to conduct trade with freely choosing individuals who want to trade with me, I want to keep all the profits I earn from that trade, and I only want to pay for what me and my dependants consume. 

As long as they keep their paws out of my pockets libtards can do whatever they want, they'll get no complaints from me. Pack each others fudge, go bungee jumping without the bungee, cut your pee pee off, worship Lucifer, have a big love in, and as long as I don't pay for it and don't have some faggot Jew old bag judge bitch telling me I have to bake your wedding cake, we're good. I will never be friends with the free shit army SJW types, they turn my stomach, but if they leave my lifestyle and pocket alone, I will be polite and civil and not be their enemy. Let them pay their own way, that will block them from being useful idiots for the Sorass types whose real target is people like me.

Dancing Disraeli's picture

Unfortunately, most people who are attracted to power wielding do not share your philosophy, and will fuck with you as much as they possibly can, because that's what power is all about.  Also explains their penchant for child raping.

Victor999's picture

Precisely - this is all about POWER, not freedom.  These people must not be given power.

Ms No's picture

It pretty much is the new conspiracy theory and you might as well take it as a compliment.  That is how the Matrix agents try to weaken the credibility of anybody who has figured anything out.  They wouldn't bother if they weren't threatened.  It's a good thing to be the enemy of evil, although sometimes it has consequences.  If you haven't been ridiculed by the system and their borg then they are quite pleased with your level of idiocy and cowardice. 

The Matrix was a documentary and so was Orwell.

Sub MOA's picture

as far as "conspiracy theories" go if you want to say the matrix is a documentary well then maybe rent a copy of Hostel 1 or 2  that scumfuck tarantinno either has a really twisted fucking mind or he knows something....  there is a place in the talmud that states the "jew must not lie to the goyim as to thier intent to rule over them or neither thier rule nor the coming of their god (lucifer) will not happen"  it doesn't say how they have to tell on themselves but hollyweird is a perfect way for them to expose their plans thru sci-fi and just plain old fiction ... it a "conspiracy theory"  or is it bold blatant facts laid bare before the sheeps eyes?

what is that saying "truth is stranger than fiction"   LMAO    "imagination is based in reality, for with no factual input there can be no distorted output"

Happy Hunting


PS another insight into the jew is 8mm with nicholas cage ...  

cbxer55's picture

Tarantino may be a scumfuck, and I'll not disagree. But he's made, what, 8 movies. Nine if you count Kill Bill 1 and 2 seperately. And I like them all. Can't say that for all them weird hollyweird elitist producers though.

Hmmm. Guess it would be 11 if you include those two Hostel flicks. And yes, they are sure odd.

TRN's picture

It's been fake a long time and we are just getting a glimpse!

onmail1's picture

<-- Behold the zooish Mammon 666 

The biblical Golden Statue with feet of clay


Its Head == Coldman$achs

Eyes == NSA

Mouth == Mainstream media & Hollywood

Arms == CIA , FBI 3 letter agencies

feet of clay == National Debt


The zooish lobby has infected america

their main tact :

Establish banks & give loans to ppl

& fleece money using interest etc

& also to impound their property

With money too much become TBTF

they have bullied US govt into submission

They threaten US presidents and use him like a puppet


Germany was in the same situation(pre WW2 era) as is america now

But I urge Trump to purge

but not to use violence against them

be humane , identify the enemy

How to identify the enemy?

Ans : Anyone who threatens US president



dogismycopilot's picture

I was in a helicopter over the desert and it was hit by an RPG...oops, I lied.

Green screens in Saudi

Weapons of Mass Destruction

Fake news indeed.

beijing expat's picture

Nobody believes obama because he speaks in PR blurbs and vague propaganda terms. The people are just trying to fill in the blanks.

MrBoompi's picture

Yes fake news certainly is the new conspiracy theory.  It comes from the same psyops factory in the CIA\MSM offices.  

Twee Surgeon's picture

Following the Brexit referendum, those wishing to remain as part of the E.U were called Remainers. As in, "The Remainers are having a riot and creating a scene, please sign the Petition at the link below or we will all die." The Remainers are not big fan's of that Democracy thing.

The allegedly 'Right' purveyors of news in the British Press coined the phrase Remoaners. Using the word Moan (same as Complain, Whine etc.)

Moaners = Whiners. As an actual strategy, they are not going to let up, the funeral wail of Socialism will continue as policy.

The Trumplainers have arrived, no copy right implied.

Trumplainers, Remoaners, the same kind of creature, I expect. Globalist Politics getting a global response now and the flexibility of the mutual English language is

shown triumphant again. Bill Shakespeare would be eating this up with a ladle.


conraddobler's picture

Modern propaganda has not been set back at all in fact it's nearing perfection.

The complete inability to tell what is real is the holy grail of controlling people. The more you confuse them the more they tend to give up and just go back to their daily life without hope.

The new frontiers of this mix truth in to create a dizzying array of false paths with a subset of truth as bait.

It's brilliant!

No one can get a firm hold on anything and anytime you want you can send millions down dark alley ways they will get lost in or worse yet have them actively work to subvert their own interests.

No, no setback here, only a march to total domination.

TradingTroll's picture

Domination of nothing at all then. Fake news doesn't propel a nation forward. Looks like the elite want to govern absolutely nothing. Because if robots were consumers, in the human sense, no company would report negative sales again.