Europe: Let's Self-Destruct!

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Submitted by Judith Bergman via The Gatestone Institute,

  • A reasonable question that many Europeans might ask would be whether it is not perhaps time to review priorities?
  • Perhaps the time has come to look at whether it remains worth it, in terms of the potential loss of human life, to remain party to the 1961 Convention, which would prohibit a country from stripping a returning ISIS fighter of his citizenship in order to prevent him from entering the country?
  • The terrorist as poor, traumatized victim who needs help seems to be a recurring theme among European politicians. But what about the rights of the poor, traumatized citizens who elected these politicians?

Roughly 30,000 foreign and European Islamic State fighters from around 100 different countries, who have gone to Syria, Iraq and Libya, could spread across the continent once the terror group is crushed in its Iraqi stronghold, warned Karin von Hippel, director-general of the UK military think tank, Royal United Services Institute, speaking to the Express on October 26:

"I think once they lose territory in Iraq and Syria and probably Libya... they will likely go back to a more insurgent style operation versus a terrorist group that wants to try and hold onto territory... There has been about 30,000 foreign fighters that have gone in from about 100 countries to join. Not all of them have joined ISIS, some have joined al-Qaeda, Kurds, and other groups, but the vast majority have gone to join ISIS. These people will disperse. Some of them have already been captured or killed but many will disperse and they'll go to European countries...They may not go back to where they came from and that is definitely keeping security forces up at night in many, many countries".

Perhaps these scenarios are really keeping security forces up at night in many countries. Judging by the continued influx of predominantly young, male migrants of fighting age into Europe, however, one might be excused for thinking that European politicians themselves are not losing any sleep over potential new terrorist attacks.

According to a report by Radio Sweden, for example:

"Around 140 Swedes have so far returned after having joined the violent groups in Syria and Iraq. Now several municipalities are preparing to work with those who want to defect. This could include offering practical support to defectors."

The municipality of Lund has dealt with this issue, and Malmö, Borlänge and Örebro have similar views. As Radio Sweden reports:

"Lund's conclusion is that defectors from violent extremist groups should be handled like defectors from other environments, such as organized crime. After an investigation of the person's needs, the municipality can help with housing, employment or livelihood."

According to Sweden's "national coordinator against violent extremism," Christoffer Carlsson:

"...You need to be able to reintegrate into the job market, you may need a driver's license, debt settlement and shelter. When people leave, they want to leave for something else, but they do not have the resources for it, so it is difficult for them to realize their plan. If they do not receive support, the risk is great that they will be unable to leave the extremist environment, but instead fall back into it."

Anna Sjöstrand, Lund's municipal coordinator against violent extremism, says that people who have served their penalty should all have support. Last year, the Municipality of Örebro received criticism for offering an internship to a young man who returned after having been in Syria.

"There may be such criticism, but for me it is difficult to think along those lines. They get the same help as others who seek help from us. We cannot say that because you made a wrong choice, you have no right to come back and live in our society," says Anna Sjöstrand.

According to Sweden Radio, several of the municipalities stress that people who commit crimes should be sentenced and serve their penalties before they can receive support. According to Amir Rostami, who works with the national coordinator against violent extremism:

"If you are suspected of a crime, the investigation of the crime always comes first. But as long as there is no suspicion of a crime, then it is in our own interest to help those that come out of this extremist environment. The consequences for society are quite large if you do not."

So, in Sjöstrand's words, travelling to Syria and Iraq to join ISIS, a bestial Islamic terrorist organization with its sexual enslavement of women and children, rapes, brutal murders of Christians, Yazidis, and other Muslims is just "a wrong choice." You know, similar to embezzling money or getting into a drunken brawl at a bar, just ordinary garden-variety crime, which should not intervene with your "right to come back and live in our society". In other words, it seems to support the standard European idea that the terrorist is the victim, not the innocent people he is out to maim, rape, and kill.

According to the Swedish view, burning Christians and Yazidis alive, gang-raping and murdering women and children, and other such "wrong choices" should not get into the way of one's "rights." It also seems to ignore the rights of members of the peaceful society who are vulnerable to being attacked. It would be logical to posit that traveling for the express purpose of joining a terrorist organization such as ISIS, which has as its explicit goal the destruction of Western nations such as Sweden, should actually lead to the forfeiture of the "right to come back and live in our society" -- especially as those former ISIS fighters evidently do not consider Swedish society "their society."

Another word that comes to mind is treason. But not for Sweden, such logical moral and political choices. Better to have another go at politically correct policies, doomed to failure, at the expense of the security (and taxpayer money) of law-abiding Swedish citizens, whose rights to live without fear of violent assault, rape and terrorism clearly ceased to matter to Swedish authorities a long time ago.

This hapless attitude towards ISIS increasingly resembles criminal negligence on the part of Swedish authorities. It was recently reported that Swedish police received a complaint of incitement to racial hatred, after an unnamed Syrian-born 23-year-old used a picture of the ISIS flag as a profile picture on social media. Prosecutor Gisela Sjövall decided not to pursue legal action against the man. The reason, according to Sjövall?

"IS expresses every kind of disrespect; it is against everyone except those who belong to IS itself. There is the dilemma, it [offends] too big a group... You could say that merely waving a flag of IS in the current situation cannot be considered hate speech. It is not an expression of disrespect towards any [particular] ethnic group. It has been said there could possibly be some form of incitement, that IS urges others to commit criminal acts such as murder, but that is not the case."

Since ISIS hates absolutely everybody, according to Swedish law they can apparently engage in as much hate speech as their hearts desire. The terrorists, who are vying for a world-dominating caliphate, must be laughing their heads off.

Sjövall added that because the Nazi swastika is intrinsically linked to inciting anti-Semitism, this contravenes Swedish laws, and that maybe the ISIS flag would be considered as contravening Swedish law in 10 years.

At the rate that Swedish society is self-destructing, there may not even be much of Sweden to speak of 10 years from now.

On June 7, 2016, it was reported that British citizen Grace "Khadija" Dare had brought her 4-year-old son, Isa Dare, to live in Sweden, in order to benefit from free health care. In February, the boy was featured in an ISIS video, blowing up four prisoners in a car (pictured above). The boy's father, a jihadist with Swedish citizenship, was killed fighting for ISIS.

In neighboring Denmark, in March 2015, a Danish MP for the Social Democrats, Trine Bramsen, said about returning ISIS fighters:

"Some constitute a danger or can become dangerous. Others need help. We have actually seen that many of those who come home have experienced such horrors that they need psychological help".

The terrorist as poor, traumatized victim who needs help seems to be a recurring theme among European politicians. But what about the rights of the poor, traumatized citizens who elected these politicians?

Denmark happens to be the European country with the most ISIS fighters returning from Syria, according to a report released in April by the International Centre for Counter-Terrorism in The Hague. The report shows that 50% of the people who left Denmark to fight with ISIS in Syria have returned to Denmark. The UK is second, with 48%, and then come Germany (33%), Sweden (29%), France (27%), and Austria (26%).

In Denmark, four Syrian ISIS fighters were arrested in April when they returned from Syria.

The head of the Strategic Institute of the Defense Academy in Denmark, Anja Dalgaard-Nielsen, told a Danish newspaper in April that there are not enough resources to monitor all returning ISIS fighters and thereby ensure their arrest, adding:

"But then again, not all [ISIS fighters] are identical. Some will come home and be a threat to society, whereas others will return disillusioned. If we treat everyone in the same manner, we risk pushing some of those who are in doubt even further in. If someone returns and it cannot be proven that he has committed crimes and if he, besides that, is disillusioned, then he should get help to get out."

How do you determine with certainty that someone is "disillusioned," when he could in fact be a ticking bomb waiting to commit terror?

In Denmark, the authorities decided on a prohibition to travel to Syria to join ISIS. That, however, does not solve the problem of what to do with the returning ISIS fighters. It also does not do much to prevent those potential ISIS fighters who have been frustrated in their efforts to join ISIS, from unleashing their terror on European soil instead -- as ISIS has in fact commanded them to do.

Several countries, including the United Kingdom and Australia, have considered revoking the citizenship of returning ISIS fighters, thereby preventing them from returning. This is certainly feasible in those cases where the person in question has dual citizenship. Political obstacles aside, however, one of the main legal obstacles to countries taking this path is the 1961 UN Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness, which prohibits governments from revoking a person's nationality if it leaves them stateless.

A reasonable question that many Europeans might ask would be whether it is not perhaps time to review priorities? Perhaps the time has come to look at whether it remains worth it, in terms of the potential loss of human life, to remain party to the 1961 Convention, which would prohibit a country from stripping a returning ISIS fighter of his citizenship in order to prevent him from entering the country?

Presumably, the European people care more about staying alive than the intricacies of international law. When will European leaders mobilize the political will to act?

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pathosattrition's picture

Stop pushing Gatestone's Bolton-backed, neocon propaganda 

molecool's picture

You must have had a difficult childhood. Sweden may be a nice place for you!

nope-1004's picture

Hey mole, where ya been?  It's been like 5 yrs at least since I've seen you comment.  Where'd you go?

molecool's picture

At least it's a dry heat.

molecool's picture

Damn it - I took one of those sleep helpers and when I woke up Trump was president. What happened?

Oldwood's picture

As long as YOU live with the consequences of YOUR choices and NOT everyone else.

Nobodys Home's picture

To be fair, Gatestone and Bolton both do suck...just sayin

Laddie's picture

I would agree that Gatestone is neo-con, however, despite their INTENTIONS they are reporting news of import for White people.
Now in REALITY who but the NEO-CONS who are now neo-liberals are BEHIND the invasion of Europe and for that matter USA, Australia, New Zealand and the demise of Rhodesia and South Africa.

Anetta Kahane, Stasi Agent speaking in 2010
Barbara Lerner Spectre
German-Jewish politician Gregor Gysi July, 2015 praising the coming extinction of Germans!
Germany: Jewish politician Gregor Gysi, Calling for Total Open Borders

Israeli NGO Helping Migrant Boats Reach Europe’s Shores, Instructs Them Where to Go

The Jewish Origins of the Open Borders Movement by Andrew Joyce, PhD

The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution and Russia's Early Soviet Regime

The Last Days of the Romanovs (review)
Mary Ball Martinez was an accredited member of the Vatican press corps from 1973 to 1988, reporting for National Review, The American Spectator and The Wanderer.

"To destroy a people you must first sever their roots." - Alexander Solzhenitsyn

"We cannot state that all Jews were Bolsheviks. But: Without Jews there would never have been Bolshevism. For a Jew nothing is more insulting than the truth. The blood maddened Jewish terrorists had murdered sixty-six million in Russia from 1918 to 1957."
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn (1918-2008), Nobel-Prize-winning novelist, historian

rejected's picture

""To destroy a people you must first sever their roots." - Alexander Solzhenitsyn"

Exactly what is happening in every Western Nation. In the u.s they have destroyed the Constitution by going after the founders with the slavery issue.  The u.s is now completely cut off from its roots and is flailing like a fish out of water.

nutte's picture

Thanks for the last two links! Very informative.

Snípéir_Ag_Obair's picture

I hate 'em too (though not this author) but:

1) it's Tylers' show, you're free to not publish their content on your website all you like;

2) something to be said for not having an echo chamber, and how many places allow both Zioganda and the ability to call it such?;

3) the answer for speech you don't like is more speech - not censorship.

Sweden *is* dying; and it is also true that Gatestone is more interested in ginning up anti-Arab and anti-Muslim feeling than preserving Swedish culture. the better to make the natives of Palestine untermenschen.

molecool's picture

Just when you think that Sweden couldn't become any more cucked, those bastards dig deep and prove you wrong yet again.

Ghordius's picture

Sweden might be a bit... special, but this is not the purpose of those articles

the purpose is a crusade against Islam. because... there is one country out there that wants support

I appreciate the second part, but could do without the first, and find it self-defeating, ill-adviced, rash and unwise

samsara's picture

"You critized our treatment of Gaza or the wall, we'll see to it that you will hate them as much as we do. AND we'll have you do it to youselves"

Is that what you meant?

Amun's picture

"Israel/Palestine is the model of the world the Americans want to achieve.

It has peasants and their flocks dying of thirst, and on the hilltop there are villas and swimming pools for the chosen folk, It has a huge army and it has many labourers without any rights.

In order to turn all the world into Palestine they began now Word War 3 against the Third World."


samsara's picture

I agree with the other guy, great to see you posting MoleCool

samsara's picture

"... that because you made a wrong choice, you have no right to come back and live in our society,"...

Just because you filmed yourself eating the heart raw after you just cut it from his chest...

It was just a couple bad choices .... Could happen to anyone...

wisehiney's picture

To you sick, weak, guilt ridden euro suckers that feel justice is being served by your rape, torture, mutilation and massacre as you sacrifice yourself to redeem my supposed evildoing, know that I, the unjust, deplorable, colonizing white man, am really enjoying the show. Keep up the good work.  

Neochrome's picture

Pass the popcorn.

Yen Cross's picture

 I read the article. It looks like the boogie man is recruiting sovereigns.

  Not sure what the outcome is, at some time , loss of production will cause economic collapse<

 The $usd is so strong this year???  Why are prices so high with Asian =currency prices so low?

  This doesn't end well, and I own real gold and silver. { bartertown}

thunderchief's picture

It looks like this site is getting alot of new membership from the Crybaby MSM  "We love Hillary no matter what" crowd.

Welcome aboard and thanks for ditching MSM!

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----_- (not verified) Nov 25, 2016 8:35 PM

with top idiot people like haus-tirgayen, ghordius and the swedecuck we can not have a europe. occasionally they are worse than kikes. cant we just drown them already and move on?


(they are actually drowning in muslim nigger semen and thats a good thing)


dunce's picture

Lunatic BS rules, "you can not say because you made a wrong choice, you can not come back ", of course you can and must. People can not slaughter people in  other countries and have sanctuary in your country. You can not harbor murderers.

bogbeagle's picture



"People can not slaughter people in  other countries and have sanctuary in your country. You can not harbor murderers."   ... unless, of course, they wear uniforms.

DaveA's picture

The vast majority of "Europeans" going off to fight for ISIS are not Europeans at all, but Arabs transplanted into Europe. The fact that they were born in Europe means nothing -- if that makes them European, my cats are cows because they were born in a barn!

Sauerkraut-Opinion's picture

Unfortunately that's Europe - pampering terrorists and naive Mzungu-politicans exposing the entire nation to bezness...

Fireman's picture

Vote up!

Vote down!

-1 new philipat xythras Nov 25, 2016 8:02 PM

"Europe would not even have a Muslim "problem" were it not for US/Israeli/NATO policy in the ME. It's a bit rich that Gatestone (=Bolton = Israeli Zionist interests) should now condemn Europe for wanting to accommodate a problem that NONE of the peoples of Europe want to accommodate?"



Shame Europeons can't get over their philo semitic programming and the sickening Stockholm Syndrome foisted on them by almost a century of the USSAN occupation and all the tacky chosen racer porno sludge fed through the Hollyweird sewer pipe into Europeon living rooms. The poor peasants are doomed as their ruling class stokes global wars for the anglozionazi empire of carnage, makes a killing on their arms trade and as an added bonus fulfills the Coudenhove-Kalergi nightmare of the EUSSR'S cultural bastardization even as the ruling aristocratic class gets to fill their slum housing with the detritus of the interminable Middle East judaic wars. Europeons are an endangered species and most of them don't even see it.

Count Richard von Coudenhove Kalergi’s Plan outlined by Gerd Honsik

“Kalergi proclaims the abolition of the right of self-determination, ... the elimination of nations by means of ethnic separatist movements or mass allogeneic (genetically dissimilar) immigration to create a multiethnic flock without quality, easily controllable by the ruling class. Kalergi characterized the multiethnic flock as cruel and unfaithful but maintained the elite must deliberately create them in order to achieve their own superiority: ‘Then the elite will first eliminate democracy – the rule of the people. Next, the elite will eliminate the people via miscegenation, thereby replacing the ruling white race with an easily controllable mestizo race. By abolishing the principle of equality of all before the law, avoiding and punishing any criticism of minorities, and protecting minorities with special laws, the masses will be suppressed."

Yes it is a conspiracy and there are no doubts as to who is pushing this zionazi agenda.

Afghan pedophile rapist "Christian" convert gets to stay in Sweden.

Thanks Barb

adeptish's picture

I still cannot fathom the Swedes.

chosen's picture

They prefer to have their culture destroyed, call it cultural suicide.  I lived there a couple of months.  I don't blame them.

General Titus's picture
Heads up USA / Europe. How Liberalism Destroys A First World Country in Two Decades!

onmail1's picture

euroPeons : co-pirates

ur karma awaits