Clintons Confirm Participation In Recount Plan, Despite No "Actionable Evidence Of Hacking"

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This morning Hillary Clinton's campaign general counsel, Marc Elias, confirmed what we all knew already, namely that Jill Stein is likely acting at the direction of the Clintons in her recount efforts in WI, MI and PA.  The discovery came after Elias posted a note to Hillary voters this morning on Medium confirming that they would participate in Stein's recount efforts even though the Clinton campaign itself had decided against a recount because they had "not uncovered any actionable evidence of hacking or outside attempts to alter the voting technology."  This approach seems to align perfectly with the strategy we laid out two days ago:

We joke, of course, as Jill Stein's effort to raise money for recounts in WI, PA and MI is obviously being done on behalf of the Hillary Clinton campaign.  It's a very clever approach (we would expect nothing less) as it allows Hillary to maintain the high road as the gracious loser while allowing someone else to play the bad guy...typical Clinton politics really.

That said, since Jill Stein decided to act "completely independently" to waste the money of a bunch of donors the Hillary general counsel figures they might as well participate despite the fact that "the number of votes separating Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton in the closest of these states—Michigan—well exceeds the largest margin ever overcome in a recount."

Because we had not uncovered any actionable evidence of hacking or outside attempts to alter the voting technology, we had not planned to exercise this option ourselves, but now that a recount has been initiated in Wisconsin, we intend to participate in order to ensure the process proceeds in a manner that is fair to all sides. If Jill Stein follows through as she has promised and pursues recounts in Pennsylvania and Michigan, we will take the same approach in those states as well. We do so fully aware that the number of votes separating Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton in the closest of these states—Michigan—well exceeds the largest margin ever overcome in a recount. But regardless of the potential to change the outcome in any of the states, we feel it is important, on principle, to ensure our campaign is legally represented in any court proceedings and represented on the ground in order to monitor the recount process itself.

Of course, Clinton's failure to find any evidence of vote tampering was not for a lack of trying.  Elias also highlighted the five steps they took, including having "lawyers and data scientists and analysts combing over the results to spot anomalies that would suggest a hacked result," to come up with some reason to launch their own election challenge.  Why is it so hard to believe that Hillary simply lost the election?

First, since the day after the election we have had lawyers and data scientists and analysts combing over the results to spot anomalies that would suggest a hacked result. These have included analysts both from within the campaign and outside, with backgrounds in politics, technology and academia.


Second, we have had numerous meetings and calls with various outside experts to hear their concerns and to discuss and review their data and findings. As a part of this, we have also shared out data and findings with them. Most of those discussions have remained private, while at least one has unfortunately been the subject of leaks.


Third, we have attempted to systematically catalogue and investigate every theory that has been presented to us within our ability to do so.


Fourth, we have examined the laws and practices as they pertain to recounts, contests and audits.


Fifth, and most importantly, we have monitored and staffed the post-election canvasses—where voting machine tapes are compared to poll-books, provisional ballots are resolved, and all of the math is double checked from election night. During that process, we have seen Secretary Clinton’s vote total grow, so that, today, her national popular vote lead now exceeds more than 2 million votes.

But we thought Hillary was outraged by Trump's comment that he wouldn't blindly accept the outcome of the election.  Well this is awkward.


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For those who missed it, here is what we posted yesterday about the recount effort in Wisconsin.

It's official, the Wisconsin Election Commission just confirmed that a recount petition has been filed by Jill Stein just ahead of the 5pm deadline. 


Per a press release posted to the Commission's website, the recount will start late next week after the appropriate personnel have been assembled and after Stein pays the recount fee.  While no expectations were given for a completion date, the Commission noted that the federal deadline for all recounts is December 13th.

“The Commission is preparing to move forward with a statewide recount of votes for President of the United States, as requested by these candidates,” Haas said.


“We have assembled an internal team to direct the recount, we have been in close consultation with our county clerk partners, and have arranged for legal representation by the Wisconsin Department of Justice,” Haas said. “We plan to hold a teleconference meeting for county clerks next week and anticipate the recount will begin late in the week after the Stein campaign has paid the recount fee, which we are still calculating.”


The last statewide recount was of the Supreme Court election in 2011.  At that time, the Associated Press surveyed county clerks and reported that costs to the counties exceeded $520,000, though several counties did not respond to the AP’s survey.  That election had 1.5 million votes, and Haas said the Commission expects the costs to be higher for an election with 2.975 million votes.  “The Commission is in the process of obtaining cost estimates from county clerks so that we can calculate the fee which the campaigns will need to pay before the recount can start,” Haas said.  The Commission will need to determine how the recount costs will be assessed to the campaigns.


The state is working under a federal deadline of December 13 to complete the recount. As a result, county boards of canvassers may need to work evenings and weekends to meet the deadlines. “The recount process is very detail-oriented, and this deadline will certainly challenge some counties to finish on time,” Haas said.  

As a reminder, the official count shows a narrow 22,177 vote lead for Trump, or just 0.7% of the total 2,975,313 votes cast in the state.

WI Recount


While we haven't yet heard Trump's thoughts on the recount, Jill seems to be very enthusiastic.


Finally, below is Stein's official petition filed with the Wisconsin Election Commission which includes all of her "evidence" of Russian election tampering from extremely credible and impartial sources like The New York Times, Chicago Tribune and NBC News.

Among other things, Stein's petition cites the hacking of Arizona and Colorado voter registration databases, hacking of the DNC and John Podesta's emails and high levels of absentee voters as the justifications for her recount request. 

In August 2016, it was widely reported that foreign operators breached voter registration databases in at least two states and stole hundreds of thousands of voter records.


Around that time, hacker infiltrated the e-mail systems of the Democratic National Committee and a campaign official for Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.  These e-mails were then published online. 


On October 7, 2016, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence on Election Security issued a joint statement regarding these breaches.  The statement reads, in pertinent part, as follows:  "The U.S. Intelligence Community (USCI) is confident" that there have been "recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations."  It also states that "[t]here thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process" and that "similar tactics and techniques [have been used] across Europe and influence public opinion there."  In the statement, DHS urges state election officials "to be vigilant and seek cybersecurity assistance" from that agency in preparation for the presidential election.


In Wisconsin, there is evidence of voting irregularities in the 2016 presidential election that indicate potential tampering with electronic voting systems.  Specifically, there was a significant increase in the number of absentee voters as compared to the last general election.  This significant increase could be attributed to a breach of the state's electronic voter database.


The well-documented and conclusive evidence of foreign interference in the presidential race before the election, along with the irregularities observed in Wisconsin, call into question the results and indicate the possibility that a widespread breach occurred.

Of course, while Stein reiterates numerous allegations of foreign hacking that were well circulated, yet never officially linked to a specific source, before the election, her petition doesn't offer a single shred of actual, tangible evidence that the election results in Wisconsin were in anyway tampered with. 

Even her so-called "computer science expert" offers up nothing more than baseless theories on "plausible" explanations of how the Wisconsin results may have been hacked.  Sure, because it's just so impossible to believe that a flawed candidate with multiple ongoing FBI criminal investigations may have simply lost the election.   


Perhaps Hillary could give us her opinion on whether or not questioning election results by throwing around wild accusations of vote tampering by rogue foreign states qualifies as a "direct threat to our democracy."  Certainly, she had very strong feelings about Trump refusing to blindly accept the election results during the last debate.


Full recount petition as filed by Jill Stein:

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Mass_hysteria's picture
Mass_hysteria (not verified) Nov 26, 2016 12:06 PM

Who would've thought


clintons behind it

Chris Dakota's picture
Chris Dakota (not verified) Mass_hysteria Nov 26, 2016 12:07 PM

Of course they are behind it, ya think Jill Stein thought she herself won? lol

TeamDepends's picture

Face it Hillary, you LOST IN A LANDSLIDE!

Holy hand grenade of Antioch's picture
Holy hand grenade of Antioch (not verified) TeamDepends Nov 26, 2016 12:16 PM

Get ready to cry a raging river of melted snowflakes, (& raid your well stocked likkHER cabinet again) you fucking Harpy!

Manthong's picture

Well, you’ve got to hand it to them…

They are keeping themselves central to the contemporary pathos.

bobbbny's picture

There is a Monica Moorehead on the ballot?


Clinton running against Moorehead.

Belrev's picture

 Russian stunt guy jumps and flips over in front of subway train

Fish Gone Bad's picture

they portrayed Clinton as a criminal hiding potentially fatal health problems.


Still up to the same shit as before.

Notveryamused's picture

Why is Hillary going through this pointless effort?
There is a reasonable probability, >70%, that it's not pointless. Whatever they have managed to engineer post election will at the very least attempt to undermine Trump in a significant way.

The Saint's picture

Is Podesta in route to Wisconsin with a semi truck full of missing ballots?  How convenient.  LOL


SafelyGraze's picture

only michigan and penn and wisc?

good grief.

there are 50 states, for crying out loud.

it is undemocratic to leave out the other 47.

every vote to be recounted.

unless you don't believe in democracy.

jcaz's picture

...The thought of Hillary running around in another blind rage, blaming everyone but herself, thus making everyone around her miserable, almost makes all of this worthwhile.......

Son of Loki's picture

As long as Hillary can maintain her ties to the Saudi and isis she'll be ok so she can continue participating in co-organizing the world:


EU has links with 'odious regimes' like Saudi Arabia – EC head Juncker


When asked whether the EU should still have dialogue with a “more and more authoritarian” Turkish president, the head of the European Commission responded by asking why nobody has been questioning him about EU relations with Saudi Arabia. He spoke of a necessity to have links with “odious regimes”.

“We have relations with all dictatorships because we need to organize, to co-organize the world,” Jean-Claude Juncker said in an interview with Euronews.

“We, the European Union, have links with regimes that are odious. And nobody asks us about it. Everybody’s worried about Turkey, but nobody’s talking about Saudi Arabia,” he said.

HopefulCynical's picture

Soros put Stein up to this, because of the "optics" had it come from Hillary. OF COURSE Cankles von Pantsuit is going to join in.

If they manage to stuff the ballot boxes and steal this thing, tens of millions of people are not going to take it lying down.

Anyone who at this point refuses to believe in a globalist cabal trying to collapse the world's governments into a Marxist One-world Order is either stupid or willfully ignorant.


letsit's picture

They're desperate to keep intact their Pyramid of Power.

techies-r-us's picture
techies-r-us (not verified) letsit Nov 26, 2016 7:21 PM

Let's watch it collapse.

philipat's picture

SPAM ALERT: Do not open the fake links. tazs has now joined letsit as co Spammer-in- Chief after Yippee Kiyay and lonnng were banned. This serial spammer previously known as: mofio, santafe, Aristotle of Greece, Gargoyle, bleu, oops, lance-a-lot, Loftie, toro, Yippee Kiyay, lonnng, letsit, Mano-A-Mano, techies-r-us, beauticelli, stizazz, Nekoti, SumTing Wong, King Tut, Adullam, espirit, rp2016, Holy hand grenade of Antioch, lock-stock and tazs (some still active for the purposes of talking to and congratulating himself) and others. He seems to have more accounts than all other ZH members combined. Beats me why The Tylers can’t just block his IP?

SwiffFiffteh's picture

You are tireless, sir. I salute you.

e_goldstein's picture

Holy hand grenade of Antioch isn't a part of it.

For the rest of them, keep it up.

webmatex's picture

Hi Phili.

Not discouraging you but all of his spam accounts are begining to look like a phone book, you may have to start backing up to USB.

I refuse to be baited by these posts and downvote but am happy you provide a standard disclaimer.

I don't like banning so your approach is a happy balance.

Spam = Garbage.

fresh garbage spirit

kool tymz.


nmewn's picture

Thanks for saving me a spot in line troll.

So anyways...I think in the interests of saving our "democracy" (lol) and of a general understanding of just who is behind the funding of this recount...Jill Stein should be heckled & harangued (if not a full blown money laundering criminal investigation) until she reveals the sources of where this money is coming/came from.

Because whether its Mexican drug cartels or the Saudis or Soros or Clinton or the DNC etc her voters (and we) have a right to know ;-)

The Deacon's picture

Maybe that's the point. Maybe it's not even about winning.

Is the goal a divided country and widespread violence?

Civil war 2.0?

That's what happened in every color revolution elsewhere.

Progress through regress, comrade.





scrappy's picture

Good analysis.

I love it when hypocrites out themselves.

Steins investments sure are not green, but they are $Green.

Me thinks Ms Green$tein is guilty of "Pollution" - ha ha ha, get it, greens polluting...the irony.

evildimensions's picture

Make sure to count all the illegal aliens who voted, and the dead people. I'd be curious what those numbers were. But of course that will never show up in the recount. All the will ook at are the raw metrics, not the demographics. The latter of which could TRULY reveal something about election fraud.

Walt's picture

After he drops off the latest truckfull of missing children to Washington. He's a busy man, you know

Squid-puppets a-go-go's picture

I shudder to think what's really in Podesta's semi truck

Chauncey Gardener's picture

LOL? This isn't funny, it's sickening, and I can't wait for Jan. 20th. Goddamn Clintons, Soros, Stein...the list goes on.


Chris Dakota's picture
Chris Dakota (not verified) New England Patriot Nov 26, 2016 8:02 PM
Michigan GOP Releases URGENT REQUEST for Volunteers and Donations for Election Recount

The Michigan Republican Party released a statement on Saturday condemning the Green Party’s Michigan recount efforts and asking for donations and volunteers to assist with the process.

This bitch is trying to steal Trumps thunder, why wait 3 weeks?

Also they teaching a lesson, no regular people can run or else they get riots, re-counts and who knows what else is to come.

Trump won Pennsylvania by 70,000 votes!

Stein has raised SIX MILLION DOLLARS!

Watch Bird 1's picture

Re Pennsylvania: just did a slog thru their statute. IF I read it right, in this circumstance there's not an option to seek recount simply via a single filing with the Secretary of State. Rather, challenge must be filed in each individual county, alleging some kind of fraud or error. Then a judge decides if there's basis for a recount, before it can start.

IF this is correct, the process to seek a recount in the entire state would involve separate filings, and judicial decisions, in all counties. Hope someone knowledgeable about the process can chime in and confirm or correct this info.

webmatex's picture

why wait 3 weeks?

My guess - they waited until the last moment to prevent Trump filing in retaliation - timing.

Systems running on pure conspiracy theory now.

Hope this blows over soon. Feeling a little itchy.


Mareka's picture

Hillary, Obama, Soros, Podesta, Wasserman-Schultz, McConnell, list as many as you can and it is probably no more than a few thousand people attempting to control a country of 310+ million.

... Maybe 3,000 radical progressive individuals against 60 million Trump voters.

That's 20,000 to 1.

I'm happy with those odds

Don't get bullied by the leftist minority.

bluez's picture

Well, there is now definitely opposition to the recount in states that Trump won. Apparently, we can donate:


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Donations no matter how small will help pay for airline and travel expenses.

It was announced that Clinton will use Jill Stein, Green Party candidate for President, as a straw man to start recount in MI, WI and PA, three states won by Trump by a close margin.

First and foremost, Trump should  file an immediate injunction and stay of recount in those states and go to the Supreme Court with the stay/injunction  of recount. Trump does not need to actually win in court, all he needs to do is run the clock. Trump has a very strong argument that Jill Stein does not have a legitimate reason for recount, as she got only 1% of the vote, did not carry any state and recount will be futile, does not serve a legitimate purpose and will only impede the transition of power.

Second, it is important to fight fire with fire. If Dems seek recount of swing states won by Trump, then Trump should demand a recount of close swing states won by Clinton. Among them: MN, CO, NV, NH, ME, VA.

Among those six states, Nevada and Colorado are the most suspicious.

jcaz's picture


What recounts are you looking at that have shown more than a 70% success rate of overturning an election?

Way to not let reality get in the way of your point......

jeff montanye's picture

thought that but a closer reading seemed to say it was of making a perhaps successful "attempt to undermine Trump in a significant way."  which is quite different and less consequential.

i hope hillary is focusing on local politics.  i hope she's in the country on january 21, 2017 so that when trump completes the sentence "the clintons are good people" with "but somewhere they went wrong; that's why i am lifting their passports and designating them persons of interest." it will mean something.


ducksinarow's picture

In order for that to come about, he will have to get his Attorney General to say it. That means the Attorney General will have to be sworn in or however they do it to make it official 5 minutes after he takes the oath of office. Otherwise it will just be another meaningless media event that will never happen. Clinton still has all her security clearances. Trump will not have all of his until after December 19th.  December 19th is now the most important date in the history of our country's future.

Lumberjack's picture

Only 2 downvoters too... They have their work cut out for them... 

spiral galaxy's picture

Agree! Now that it's post election and the vote tally is consolidated into one ....and most likely internet accessible and very manipulative file.... they can now implement post-election "victory"!!

Someone please put this bitch out of her misery ...along with the rest of the Democratic Party.

wildbad's picture

No quarter.  These psychopaths do not differentiate betwen kindnees, compassion and weakness.  Liberal mindsets only understand one direction and that is greed.  More.


Whta they all need is a seriously strong example of at least three Clinton family members dying in prison for their known crimes.


The democratic party needs to be dissolved for its criminal cartel crimes.


Sorry, Donald, "They are good people" simply does not fly.  They are the epitome of evil incarnate.


No quarter.  You must treat them as they have treated you.  Mercilessly.

evildimensions's picture

We know there's a reason but no one is smart enough here on ZH to know what that reason is. Maybe she's just incredibly stupid. Probably not true. Really nothing HRC espoused in her entire campaign made a whole hell of a lot of sense:

  1. Provoking Russia at every opportunity.
  2. Open borders. 
  3. Signing shitty trade deals. 
  4. Sanctuary cities.
  5. Cowtowing to BLM and transgender militants.
  6. Flooding the country with 100s of thousands of Muslim refugees (many from Islamic State regions).

Nothing about her platform made any sense. So at least she's consistent. I just wish this corrupt crime family would go away and leave us in peace. We've had enough of them. Go enjoy the millions from your foundation and let us never hear from you again. That works for me.

fukidontknow's picture

MDB's little 'Hillary's love team' over on the Accredited Times are having a Spirit Cook

and celebrating German Muslim diversification

those sick puppies in their safe space

Chris Dakota's picture
Chris Dakota (not verified) Notveryamused Nov 26, 2016 9:03 PM

Do you remember when I said 6 months ago this election will be similar to 2000?

I said "is that why Scalia had to go?"

I would post it but ZH has deleted old comments, I said we won't know for some time maybe Dec or Jan.

I was happy on election day that it turned out okay but the election was held on a void of course moon along with other factors.

So I was right.

But I said in March right here that Hillary will never be President, she will drag us through the mud but Trump will be the one to put his hand on that bible!!

Tall Tom's picture





Yes I do remember that you made that assertion, Chris.


Tyler said, in a direct response to Radical Marijuana on his Thanksgiving post, that they had a server failure, the posts were not lost, and that they will be restored.

Jim Sampson's picture

Jill Stein, dumb bitch extrordinare, has decided to kill the Green party in favor of Satan (Clintons). What a dumb bitch!

Ms No's picture

This isn't stupidity.  She is a Zionist Socialist banking agent and they are the most lethal people in the world.  In the past there were likely other groups that were the most powerful and dangerous.  In the future there may be another group as well.  For the last couple hundred years minimum, your Zionists banking oligarch socialist are completely lethal.  People should have known that Stein and Sanders were frauds just based on this simple and constantly repeating pattern.

I dont see Stein out in ND now that people are getting shot in the face and having their arms blown off, rather she is busy trying to put the banking led corruption back in power.  Bernie sunk Ron Pauls audit the fed bill.  What else would a Zionist Socialist ever do?  Besides killing tens of million at a time that is...

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Vatican_cameo's picture


So what happens if the results of the "Recount" show Trump with a larger margin of Victory?  Does Stein bend over and take one for the Foundation?

bigkahuna's picture

Trump - you better get some people over there ---  This is the Steal