Global Warm-Ongering: What Happens If Trump Takes US Out Of Paris Agreement?

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Submitted by Michael Shedlock via MishTalk.com,

For all the shock, horror, and aghast of global warm-ongers, comes a startling revelation: It’s Irrelevant if US Pulls Out of Paris Accord.

Donald Trump has sent his clearest message yet about his plans for reshaping US policy on global warming by choosing a chief environmental regulator who has questioned the science of climate change.

 

But leading experts say the nomination of Scott Pruitt, Oklahoma’s attorney-general as head of the Environmental Protection Agency and the policy he pursues, may have less effect than many imagine on global greenhouse gas emissions.

 

Analysis by PwC, the financial services firm, shows G20 countries need to reduce their carbon intensity — the amount of carbon dioxide they emit for every dollar of GDP they produce — by an annual average of 3 per cent to meet their Paris agreement targets.

 

Even if the US abandoned the deal it would have a limited direct impact on the overall G20 effort. If all other countries stayed on track to meet their carbon targets, but the US returned to business as usual, the average annual cut for the G20 as a whole would only fall slightly, from 3 per cent to 2.8 per cent.

 

That is chiefly because of market developments such as the US shale gas boom that has squeezed out coal, the dirtiest fossil fuel, a situation some think unlikely to change no matter what Mr Trump does.

 

“The impact on the global emissions projection is pretty small even if the US shelves its Paris target,” said Jonathan Grant, a director of climate and sustainability at PwC.

 

He emphasised the contribution of market and technological shifts to tackling emissions growth adding “it’s doubtful that can be thrown into reverse by one country”.

Warm-Ongering

Ridiculousness From Trump

As ridiculous as those positions are, this one by Trump is far more ridiculous.

My Four-Pronged Position

1. The earth has gone through many periods of warming and cooling that have lasted 10s of millions of years or longer. The reasons are complex, far beyond greenhouse gas emissions. Background radiation from space, the sun’s position in the galaxy, and solar cycles that no one has any record of, all play a part. There are likely complex reasons we are not even aware of today.

CO2, in isolation, all other things equal (which they aren’t and never will be), will tend to warm the atmosphere. However, it’s questionable, at best, to presume greenhouses gasses account for the bulk of what’s happening.

Scientists have changed their model numerous times, and the data to match, to prove global warming. Models that said were were in a period of no warming for 15 years now suddenly state this is the warmest period ever recorded.

The amazing thing about all of this is how irrelevant it is. Breaking this down into 100-year periods when changes take place over tens of millions of years, for numerous, complex reasons is ridiculous.

2. Nonetheless, let’s presume the scientists are correct, and I am wrong. The idea that government will do anything sensible about it is silly.

If Florida goes underwater, there is not a single change we could have made today, or 20 years ago, to save it. If global warming is happening, as described by the warm-ongers, it will still be happening 50 years from now, just at reduced rates of increases.

Al Gore floated an amazing plan to save the world at a World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland: Spend $90 Trillion Redesigning All The Cities So They Don’t Need Cars.

You cannot make this kind of stuff up, but it is typical bureaucratic madness in action. Lest you think this was only former US vice president Al Gore, the former president of Mexico Felipe Calderon, also backed this preposterous idea.

“We recommend those cities should have more density and more mass transportation. Together with a program for reforming land use, and bringing deforestation to zero, the total cost of this plan would most likely be $90 trillion in future investment”, Calderon said.

The amusing part of Al Gore’s inane proposal is the sheer amount of fossil fuels it would take to implement. It never occurred to him.

3. Let’s stop pollution, for pollution’s sake, not for misguided global warming reasons. China is poisoning the air and water to maintain growth, and killing killing or injuring millions of its citizens in the process.

I am strongly in favor of cutting emissions, especially in places like China which accounts for nearly twice as much greenhouse gas pollution as the US. Chinese cities have smog alerts nearly every day of the year.

Start worrying about people dying now, not 400 years from now, on a fool’s mission belief that man can control climate changes that happen over tens of millions of years.

4. Technology will do far more than bureaucrats ever will in the battle against emissions.

Companies like Uber, Google, Apple, GM, Ford, etc are all working on technologies that will dramatically reduce the need for cars. The cars themselves will be electric. Autonomous trucks will drive the speed limit, in small caravans, not only reducing accidents, but reducing fuel consumption as well.

Uber should be embraced, but it’s banned or restricted in much of the World. The EU nannycrats want to reduce emissions but fight Uber and put huge tariffs on solar panels from China, limiting their use.

China Emissions

china-emissions

That chart is from 2011. I strongly expect China’s percentage rose in the last five years.

If we were to actually spend $90 trillion as Al Gore and former president of Mexico Felipe Calderon want to do, I am 100% certain it would actually increase emissions in the process.

People expecting government bureaucrats or economists like Krugman to do anything but make matters worse have a Bizarro World thought process.

Here’s a question that just occurred to me: How much greenhouse emissions would be released via Paul Krugman’s inane proposal to stimulate the global economy by pretending there was a space alien threat.

For further discussion, please consider Paul Krugman, Who Proposed Fight with Fake Outer Space Aliens to Stimulate the Economy, Now Worried About Quality of Trump’s Spending.

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nuubee's picture

Absolutely nothing happens if we abandon these completely communist, yet without teeth, climate deals.

Holy hand grenade of Antioch's picture
Holy hand grenade of Antioch (not verified) HedgeAccordingly Dec 9, 2016 7:59 PM

Nuke the gay whales

Miffed Microbiologist's picture

Nuke the gay baby gray whales for Jesus.

Got flipped off at Whole Foods for having that bumper sticker. But it may have been the " Coexist " sticker with various guns composing the letters. I guess I will never know.

Miffed;-)

LowerSlowerDelaware_LSD's picture
LowerSlowerDelaware_LSD (not verified) Miffed Microbiologist Dec 9, 2016 8:31 PM

If we pull out we all get a little bit of our freedom back and we don't lose even more of our competitiveness with manufacturing. Horrifying to progressives. Fantastic to normal people.

The Saint's picture

There is a mini-ice age expected to begin in the next two decades - according to sane scientists.  Or, this could be the beginning of a real, full blown ice age.

“The influence of mankind on climate is trivially true and numerically insignificant.”
~ Richard Lindzen, MIT Atmospheric Physicist

 

Bumpo's picture

Who cares if others pay through the nose for a Carbon Tax. They can all say they won, and we can say, "Whatever, dude. Have fun with that."

Lore's picture

The Club of Rome wasn't thinking of "others"...."in seeking an enemy to unite us."  The agenda is to "unite" (control) YOU and ME. 

I'm waiting for a ZH contributor to write an expose on the Carbon Credit con.  WHERE is all that "revenue neutral" money flowing?

zhandax's picture

I may listen to this horseshit once they clean up that garbage dump in the middle of the pacific their funders created. Until then, I fart in your general direction.

Amicus Curiae's picture

check out  wattsupwiththat.com today for just that Question asked by Incoming Pres team

 

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/12/10/the-doe-vs-ugly-reality/

xythras's picture
xythras (not verified) Amicus Curiae Dec 10, 2016 11:39 AM

All that "revenue neutral" money flowing up there in the form of chemtrails.

Cut the funding, we'll have clear blue skies AGAIN.

Lumberjack's picture

Where can I find one of those.? :-)

Consuelo's picture

 

 

No, no, no silly...

 

You forgot 'Unborn' in there...

 

Sheesh...

Rey dTutto's picture

Anyone who has attempted hydroponics is aware of the chokepoints for plant growth. Water, light, nutrients, and CO2.

DEMIZEN's picture

Even if there was some sort of deviation from recent temperature averages, it certrainly wont hurt yields in northern hemisphere. I hear sugar levels in wine grapes are just fine if not better.

 

wobblie's picture

Nothing will happen because the Paris agreement like most Liberal/Conservative climate agreements are fraud.

https://therulingclassobserver.com/2016/12/04/15019/

walküre's picture

It's never been about the "science" or "facts" behind this. This has always been about money and new ways to tax (exploit) the global population.

The elite is invested in this like the trade "Dollars for oil" and they will not just forget about it, nullify agreements and disband their organisations because of Trump or anyone else.

Trump will find some bullshit excuse to play along, try and save face with his voters and at the same time dodge bullets.

Wall Street is the bank that trades carbon credits. 'Nuff said.

 

adanata's picture

Globalist Goals: Global governance by BIS using U.N. as 'front' and depopulation.

Invent "global problem"; propagandize Sheeple to believe "global warming" is caused by human activity.

When the earth is actually cooling, embarrassment ensues; change name of hoax to 'global climate change'. This works because the seeds have been planted in the dirt brains of the Sheeple. They don't even notice the new moniker and are now horrified by the dreaded 'carbon footprint'. [sidebar: globalists make billions on "green" crap]

Climate change morphs into the 'greatest threat to planet earth' propaganda. It therefore becomes necessary to create International Laws... that supercede and therefore negate national sovereignty. Agenda 21 and beyond. 

Pretty soon some guy is ordered by the U.N. to install a "smart meter" on your house. You are ordered by 'law' to grow and eat GMO because it's "good for the planet", to be 'vaccinated', "medical treatment" is mandated, you will be tracked in a 'driverless car', your X-Box is watching you, for every transaction you make you will be charged fees or taxed, every conversation; every text will be monitored as the poisoned 'food', water, drugs, "medical care" and bio-engineered 'plagues' kill off millions and millions of Sheeple. 

I don't think the snowflakes will survive.

 

Miffed Microbiologist's picture

the true objective of "climate change" is to confiscate wealth from those who produce in society. Most of the money and power will go to the political class. The rest will be sent to the Third World so it can go into the bank accounts of brutal dictators who will saber rattle and murder, engendering fear in the sheeple of this county thus keeping the MIC wheels rolling. Therefore, the whole concept is based in fraud because the entire objective is theft.

But it's "immoral" to oppose this theft and corruption and soon we will be oppressed for doing so.

Miffed

NurseRatched's picture

All of this Fake News hysteria is aimed at anybody who questions Climate Change. If you try to point out that the "science" behind atmospheric CO2 as a reliable historical indicator of temperature is very sketchy at best, then the wrath of the leftists will crush you. And Fake News allegations will lead the charge.

ShrNfr's picture

But it is fun to watch them sputter and make fools of themselves justifying their bullshit science. It is really a religion and a descendent from the ZPG crowd of the 1960s. It will be cooler by 2020 and downright chilly by 2030 if I am right. If nothing else the Atlantic MultiDecadal Oscillation is in the downtrend.

 

Always remember that Al Gorge was a divinity school dropout.

EuroPox's picture

In the last 10,000 years, 97% of the time has been warmer than today!   It is time for this ridiculous bollocks to end!  Climate change is #FakeNews

This is Greenland ice core, last 10,000 years  http://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/therebel/pages/7798/attachments/ori...

John_Coltrane's picture

Yes, both the Greenland and Antartic ice core data show a long term decrease in T since we came out the last ice age into the current nearly 12,000 holocene interglacial. Further, the last three maxima in T, the Cretan, Roman, and Medieval warm periods were all at least 2-3 degrees higher than the average of the last century when this fairytale of human caused global warming first emerged (following the global cooling idea of the 70s). But the older periods, the Cretan and Roman were higher than the Medieval. So we're making lower highs-a downtrend into the next glacial. And of course, we know from historical documents that grapes were being cultivated in Scotland and that Roman roads through the alps are still under hundreds of meters of glacial ice today. The warmist hysteria comes from a myopic view of climate change and ignores the ice core data. Its always getting warmer or colder and humans have no influence on it.

grekko's picture

Excellent point, Mr. Coltrane.  And BTW, I love your music.

EuroPox's picture

One can only assume that the residents of coastal areas during the: Cretan, Roman and Medieval warm periods, did not notice that they were several feet underwater, or they did not take the time to record the fact. 

piliage's picture

Would you say he is taking 'giant steps' to fight the global warming con? Ar ar ar ar

cougar_w's picture

Something wicked this way comes.

cougar_w's picture

People gonna die. Nobody gonna know.

grekko's picture

"On a long enough timeline the survival rate drops to zero" anyway.  So kick back, have a few beers, and relax.

Troy Ounce's picture

 

 

Non smokers also die!

cbxer55's picture

All the more reason to light up a BIG FAT stogie, and enjoy it with some quality hooch!  ;-)

Weekends coming, and I intend to do just that both days. Got a really nice cigar bar five miles from my pad.

King Tut's picture
King Tut (not verified) cougar_w Dec 9, 2016 7:48 PM

Yes- another suicide-inducing Climate Change speech from Al Gore

MEAN BUSINESS's picture

'climate change' speech from President Putin: (remember the rest of his 70 UNGA speech September 2015???)

Ladies and gentlemen, one more issue that shall affect the future of the entire humankind is climate change. It is in our interest to ensure that the coming UN Climate Change Conference that will take place in Paris in December this year should deliver some feasible results. As part of our national contribution, we plan to limit greenhouse gas emissions to 70–75 percent of the 1990 levels by the year 2030.

However, I suggest that we take a broader look at the issue. Admittedly, we may be able to defuse it for a while by introducing emission quotas and using other tactical measures, but we certainly will not solve it for good that way. What we need is an essentially different approach, one that would involve introducing new, groundbreaking, nature-like technologies that would not damage the environment, but rather work in harmony with it, enabling us to restore the balance between the biosphere and technology upset by human activities.

It is indeed a challenge of global proportions. And I am confident that humanity does have the necessary intellectual capacity to respond to it. We need to join our efforts, primarily engaging countries that possess strong research and development capabilities, and have made significant advances in fundamental research. We propose convening a special forum under the auspices of the UN to comprehensively address issues related to the depletion of natural resources, habitat destruction, and climate change. Russia is willing to co-sponsor such a forum.

 

 

http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/50385

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in Bizarro Mirror World, President(-elect) Trump co sponsors... HA!

farmerbraun's picture

Good fudge speech ; kept everyone happy, without once mentioning CO2 or AGW. Brilliant!

MEAN BUSINESS's picture

"human activities". 

fudge huh? like the jets that flew sorties in Syria two days after this address? pull the other one.

MEAN BUSINESS's picture

"pussyz." - Minister Lavrov LULZ

hxc's picture

Pity it won't induce his suicide.

Ed Jobb's picture

Everyone skates around the real problem - Population.

Vatican_cameo's picture

 

"Everyone skates around the real problem - Population."

Everyone skates around the real problem - It's All About MONEY.

 

MEAN BUSINESS's picture

why? answer: PC. (read: no progress in political science)

Dapper Dan's picture

Bertrand Russell, philosopher (lived 1872 – 1970)
“The one real remedy is birth control — that is getting the people of the world to limit themselves to those numbers which they can keep upon their own soil.”

Professor Albert Bartlett, physicist (lived 1923 – 2013)
“Can you think of any problem on any scale, from microscopic to global, whose long-term solution is in any demonstrable way aided, assisted or advanced by having larger populations at the local level, the state level, the national level, or globally?”

Bubbette's picture

President Trump needs to submit the Paris Accord to the Senate for ratification, which it will never receive. It can then die the death it deserves and it is what Obama should have done.

KnuckleDragger-X's picture

The most powerful greenhouse gas by any measure is...water vapor. So all we need is for the UN to outlaw evaporation, and it'll all be perfect...

grekko's picture

Yes, I've heard that.  But some respected climatologists have also stated that increased evaporation also produces more cloud cover, which lowers the temperature by reflecting the infrared spectrum back into space.  An interesting Catch-22, no?

1980XLS's picture

Kinda like a self-regulating mechanism methinks

hxc's picture

Oh, you mean like the fucking markets? Wish more understood the natural balance of the universe, but instead we have illiterate faggots voting for socialist war criminals and whatnot