Donald Trump Seals Electoral College Victory, Officially Becomes 45th US President

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It's finally over: Donald Trump has secured 304 Electoral Votes following the Texas vote (with 2 faithless electors), officially securing the presidency of the United States.  Of course, the now official President-Elect Trump took to twitter to confirm the victory:

Texas' 36 electoral votes for Trump pushed him over the edge at around 4:30 Central Time, even though two rogue electors' defections deprived Trump of one of those votes. That gave Trump 304 total electoral votes.

A quick recap of the day's events from the WSJ:

Members of the Electoral College meeting in state capitals across the country on Monday confirmed President-elect Donald Trump’s victory in the 2016 election, ending a last-ditch campaign to deny him the presidency. Mr. Trump amassed at least 270 electoral votes on Monday afternoon—enough to officially become the president-elect over his Democratic rival, Hillary Clinton, according to a tally of votes by the Associated Press.

 

Typically just a formality, this year’s Electoral College vote attracted an outsize amount of attention after a group of mostly Democratic electors made a late push to block Mr. Trump’s path to the White House. They argued the Electoral College had a constitutional duty to act independently of the will of the voters in extraordinary circumstances. Protesters gathered in several state capitols across the country to encourage electors to reject Mr. Trump.

 

Four Democratic electors in Washington state broke ranks—with three casting ballots for former Secretary of State Colin Powell, and one for Native American activist Faith Spotted Eagle. In the vice presidential vote, the Washington vote was even more unusual, with electors casting votes for a trio of female U.S. senators: Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, Maria Cantwell of Washington and Susan Collins of Maine. Another elector cast a ballot for Winona LaDuke, an environmental activist.

 

Several other attempts by electors to cast ballots failed. The Associated Press reported that attempts by Democratic electors in Colorado and Maine to vote for Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders failed. In Maine, the elector was ordered to vote again, while in Colorado an elector was replaced.

The final count:

  • 304 Trump
  • 228 Clinton
  • 3 Powell
  • 1 Kasich/ Paul
  • 1 FAITH SPOTTED EAGLE

The statement released by the GOP on Trump's victory:

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Earlier:

For those following today's Electoral College vote, here is the latest vote tally as of 4:50pm ET:

  • 268 electoral votes had been cast for Trump,
  • 160 electoral votes had been cast for Hillary Clinton.

Moments ago, Montana cast 3 votes for Donald Trump which means he is two Electoral votes away from being elected president of the United States.

Those looking for surprises in today's vote will be disappointed, at least so far: All of the electors in Indiana, Tennessee, West Virginia, South Carolina, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, Arkansas, Arizona, Louisiana, Ohio, Kentucky, North Carolina, Kansas, Georgia, Alabama, Idaho, Wisconsin, South Dakota, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Florida, Michigan, Utah, Wyoming, Missouri and North Dakota voted for Trump, as per their states' votes on Election Day. Illinois, Vermont, Virginia, Delaware, Connecticut, New York, Rhode Island, Maryland, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Colorado and Oregon have all backed Clinton, in line with their states' votes.

Trump also won a vote from one of Maine's two congressional districts, which awards a vote to the popular vote winner. Clinton received the other three, as per the results on Election Day. Eight of Washington state's 12 electors voted for Clinton--but four went rogue, two voting for Colin Powell and two voting for "faith spotted eagle" according to the AP, as reported earlier.

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Courtesy of AJC, here is a running tally of who has voted so far, and how, as well as any notable incidents during the day.

  • Texas cast all but 2 of their 38 Electoral votes for Donald Trump.
  • Dec 19, 2016 5:30 PM EST Donald Trump has been elected president as he passes 270 Electoral votes.
  • Dec 19, 2016 5:19 PM EST Texas should be reporting its vote in minutes, according to reports.
  • Dec 19, 2016 4:54 PM EST Nevada has cast 6 votes for Hillary Clinton
  • Dec 19, 2016 4:54 PM EST Nevada has cast 6 votes for Hillary Clinton.
  • Dec 19, 2016 4:52 PM EST California will begin voting at 5 p.m. ET. Hillary Clinton won the popular vote in California.
  • Dec 19, 2016 4:44 PM EST Montana has cast 3 votes for Donald Trump. He is two Electoral votes away from being elected president of the United States.
  • Dec 19, 2016 4:36 PM EST From the Associated Press: "A couple of hundred protesters are gathering outside the California state Capitol ahead of Monday's Electoral College meeting."
  • Dec 19, 2016 4:30 PM EST The count: Donald Trump has 265 votes; Hillary Clinton has 160 votes. There are 109 votes pending.
  • Dec 19, 2016 4:25 PM EST Iowa cast 6 votes for Donald Trump.
  • Dec 19, 2016 4:12 PM EST From The Associated Press: "Democrat Hillary Clinton received eight votes, former Secretary of State Colin Powell got three, and Faith Spotted Eagle, an elder in the Yankton  Dakota tribe, got one. Clinton won the state's popular vote."
  • Dec 19, 2016 4:10 PM EST Prior to the vote of the last handful of states -- Texas included -- the only faithless electors have been Democrats.
  • Dec 19, 2016 4:08 PM EST Massachusetts cast 11 votes for Hillary Clinton.
  • Dec. 19, 2016 4:05 PM EST Iowa, Montana and Nevada began voting at 4 p.m. ET.
  • Dec 19, 2016 3:59 PM EST Alaska has cast 3 votes for Donald Trump.
  • Dec 19, 2016 3:49 PM EST The count: Donald Trump has 256 Electoral votes; Hillary Clinton has 135 votes. There are 143 votes pending.
  • Dec 19, 2016 3:46 PM EST New Jersey cast 14 votes for Hillary Clinton.
  • Dec 19, 2016 3:47 PM EST Four Democratic voters in Washington chose not to vote for Hillary Clinton, becoming "faithless" voters. Clinton took the other 8 votes in the state. Three Democratic electors have tried to be "faithless" by not voting for Clinton. One in Maine, one in Minnesota and one in Colorado. Those votes were changed and registered for Clinton.
  • Dec 19, 2016 3:42 PM EST Colorado has cast 9 votes for Hillary Clinton.
  • Dec 19, 2016 3:29 PM EST Nebraska electors cast 5 votes for Donald Trump.
  • Dec 19, 2016 3:22 PM EST Missouri has cast 10 votes for Donald Trump.
  • Dec 19, 2016 3:10 PM EST The Maine elector who voted for Bernie Sanders has his vote ruled "improper." He has switched the vote to Clinton.
  • Dec 19, 2016 3:03 PM EST Voting began at 3 p.m. in Alaska, Massachusetts, Missouri, Nebraska, New Jersey, Texas and Washington.
  • Dec 19, 2016 2:50 PM EST The Second District of Maine cast 3 votes for Hillary Clinton. The First District of Maine cast 1 vote for Donald Trump.
  • Dec 19, 2016 2:48 PM EST The count: Donald Trump has 240 Electoral votes; Hillary Clinton has 115. There are 183 pending.
  • Dec 19, 2016 2:37 PM EST Oregon has cast 7 votes for Hillary Clinton.
  • Dec 19, 2016 2:34 PM EST From the AP: "Maine Democratic elector casts vote for U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders for president instead of Hillary Clinton."
  • Dec 19, 2016 2:32 PM EST Ohio cast 18 votes for Donald Trump.
  • Dec 19, 2016 2:31 PM EST Wyoming cast 3 votes for Donald Trump.
  • Dec 19, 2016 2:25 PM EST New Mexico cast 5 votes for Hillary Clinton.
  • Dec 19, 2016 2:25 PM EST The count: Donald Trump has 224 votes; Hillary Clinton has 103 votes. There are 211 votes pending. A candidate needs 270 votes to be elected president.
  • Dec 19, 2016 2:22 PM EST Electors in North Dakota cast 3 votes; Idaho cast 4 votes; Utah cast 6 votes and Kansas cast 6 votes for Donald Trump.
  • Dec. 19, 2016 2:21 PM EST Florida cast 29 votes for Donald Trump.
  • Dec 19, 2016 2:21 PM EST Michigan casts 16 votes for Donald Trump.
  • Dec 19, 2016 2:19 PM EST Minnesota cast 10 votes for Hillary Clinton after Muhammad Abdurrahan, a "faithless voter" refused to vote for her and was replaced by an alternate
  • Dec 19, 2016 2:10 PM EST The Michigan electors have asked to read a statement into the record.
  • Dec 19, 2016 2:00 PM EST At 2 p.m. ET, Colorado, Florida, Idaho, Maine, Michigan, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oregon, Utah and Wyoming will begin voting.
  • Dec 19, 2016 1:47 PM EST From the AP: Protesters shouted, cried and even sang "Silent Night" as Wisconsin's 10 presidential electors cast their ballots for Donald Trump.
  • Dec 19, 2016 1:45 PM EST Minnesota elector refuses to vote for Hillary Clinton, is dismissed under state law; alternative will vote instead
  • Dec 19, 2016 1:44 PM EST The count: Donald Trump has 179 votes; Hillary Clinton has 93 votes. There are 266 votes pending.
  • Dec 19, 2016 1:32 PM EST Alabama has cast 9 votes for Donald Trump.
  • Dec 19, 2016 1:28 PM EST All 10 Maryland electors cast their vote for Hillary Clinton via voice vote.
  • Dec 19, 2016 1:21 PM EST Wisconsin has cast 10 votes for Donald Trump.
  • Dec 19, 2016 1:20 PM EST Kansas has cast 6 votes for Donald Trump.
  • Dec 19, 2016 1:15 PM EST The count: Donald Trump has 154 votes; Hillary Clinton has 83 votes. There are 301 votes pending.
  • Dec 19, 2016 1:14 PM EST Louisiana has cast 8 votes for Donald Trump.
  • Dec 19, 2016 1:12 PM EST Oklahoma has cast seven votes for Donald Trump.
  • Dec 19, 2016 1:10 PM EST South Dakota has cast 3 votes for Donald Trump.
  • Dec 19, 2016 1:07 PM EST Former President Bill Clinton was the first person to cast a ballot for his wife in New York's Electoral College vote.
  • Dec 19, 2016 1:01 PM EST Alabama, Kansas, Louisiana, Maryland, Minnesota and Wisconsin began the Electoral College voting process at 1 p.m.
  • Dec 19, 2016 12:59 PM EST The count: Donald Trump has 125 votes; Hillary Clinton has 83. There are 330 votes pending.
  • Dec 19, 2016 12:58 PM EST Virginia has cast 13 votes for Hillary Clinton.
  • Dec 19, 2016 12:56 PM EST Applause then boos in Pennsylvania state house as announcement of 20 votes for Donald Trump is made. Yelling continues from those in the gallery.
  • Dec 19, 2016 12:50 PM EST The Boston Globe is reporting that an elector from Maine intends to vote for Sen. Bernie Sanders. No vote from Maine recorded yet.
  • Dec 19, 2016 12:47 PM EST Rhode Island cast all it votes - 4- for Hillary Clinton.
  • Dec 19, 2016 12:45 PM EST North Carolina has cast 15 votes for Donald Trump.
  • Dec 19, 2016 12:44 PM EST New York has cast 29 votes for Hillary Clinton.
  • Dec 19, 2016 12:42 PM EST The count: Donald Trump has 90 votes; Hillary Clinton has 37 votes. There are 411 votes left to be cast.
  • Dec 19, 2016 12:39 PM EST Delaware and Connecticut have cast 3 votes, and 7 votes, respectively, for Hillary Clinton.
  • Dec 19, 2016 12:37 PM EST Georgia has cast 16 has for Donald Trump.
  • Dec 19, 2016 12:30 PM EST The count: Trump has 74 votes; Clinton has 27 votes
  • Dec 19, 2016 12:21 PM EST Arizona cast 11 Electoral votes for Donald Trump.
  • Dec. 19, 2016 12:15 PM EST Indiana cast 11 votes Electoral votes for Donald Trump.
  • Dec 19, 2016 12:09 PM EST Thus far, all electors have voted as pledged.
  • Dec 19, 2016 12:05 PM EST Set to vote at noon are: Arizona, Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Kentucky, Massachusetts, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Dakota and Virginia.
  • Dec 19, 2016 12:02 PM EST Pennsylvania has 20 Electoral votes. Donald Trump won the state on Nov. 8.
  • Dec 19, 2016 11:49 AM EST Pennsylvania will be voting at the top of the hour.
  • Dec 19, 2016 11:33 AM EST The count: Donald Trump 55; Hillary Clinton 27
  • Dec. 19, 2016 11:32 AM EST Vermont has cast 3 votes for Hillary Clinton for president.
  • Dec. 19, 2016 11:30 AM EST Oklahoma has cast 7 ballots for Donald Trump; Arkansas has cast 6 ballots for Trump; Mississippi has cast 6 votes for Trump; South Carolina has cast 9 votes for Trump.
  • Dec 19, 2016 11:27 AM EST West Virginia has cast 5 Electoral College votes for Donald Trump.
  • Dec 19, 2016 11:25 AM EST Illinois has cast 20 Electoral votes for Hillary Clinton.
  • Dec 19, 2016 11:23 AM EST The count: 11 electoral votes for Trump; 4 for Clinton
  • Dec 19, 2016 11:20 AM EST Votes are being tallied in Illinois now.
  • Dec 19, 2016 11:19 AM EST Protestors have gathered ahead of Electoral College votes in Wisconsin and Virginia.
  • Dec 19, 2016 11:06 AM EST Arkansas, Illinois, Oklahoma and South Carolina have begun the voting process.
  • Dec 19, 2016 11:02 AM EST Illinois' Electoral College voters are preparing to vote. The Illinois EC process is being broadcast on CSPAN. There are 20 Illinois electors.
  • Dec 19, 2016 11:00 AM EST New Hampshire's four Democratic Electoral College electors say they will be voting for Hillary Clinton.
  • Dec 19, 2016 10:56 AM EST A group of actors have called on Electoral College voters not to vote for Donald Trump. Here's their video.
  • Dec 19, 2016 10:48 AM EST Tennessee has 11 electoral votes. Donald Trump won that state on Nov. 8
  • Dec 19, 2016 10:40 AM EST President-elect Donald Trump won 68.5 percent of West Virginia's popular vote.
  • Dec 19, 2016 10:35 AM EST Writer, director Michael Moore tells GOP electors if they choose not to support Donald Trump and are fined under their state's law, he will pay the fine
  • Dec 19, 2016 10:31 AM EST Four of the six Mississippi electors tell The Associated Press "they're firmly committed to voting for Trump." One declined to answer questions from AP, but he's a longtime donor to Republican candidates, the AP reported.
  • Dec 19, 2016 10:29 AM EST Protesters in Indiana are protesting inside of the capital because temperatures are in the single digits outside, one said.
  • Dec 19, 2016 10:21 AM EST Here's what the voters will be doing today: Electors meet in their respective states and cast and count their votes for the offices of president and vice president. They do this on separate ballots. That vote is recorded on a “Certificate of Vote,” and it, along with the “Certificate of Ascertainment” (the list of candidates who appeared on the ballot on Nov. 8 along with the names of the electors assigned to each candidate) is sent to the Congress and the National Archives as part of the official record of the 2016 election.
  • Dec 19, 2016 10:18 AM EST The rules on how to vote and what will take place is being read in the state chambers where voting has begun.
  • Dec 19, 2016 10:09 AM EST Voting has begun in Indiana. Donald Trump won the popular vote in Indiana.
  • Dec 19, 2016 10:01 AM EST Electoral College voting has begun now in Indiana, New Hampshire, Tennessee, West Virginia and Mississippi.
  • Dec 19, 2016 9:10 AM EST 538 Electoral College voters will choose a president and a vice president on Monday.

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cbxer55's picture

304. Two idiots in Texas were traitors.

smacker's picture
  • THE DEPLORABLES ARE WINNING THE DAY
  • THE SNOWFLAKES ARE MELTING AWAY
  • IT'S ONE HELLUVA RACE AT A RAPID PACE
  • UNTIL THE SNOWFLAKES HIDE IN THEIR SAFE-SPACE
DEMIZEN's picture

this brings hope of end to startrek pant suit fashion

Farqued Up's picture

Yo Demizen, that ain't no pantsuit from Trekkieville, that beez an Ozark countrified muu muu. Slick may even outlive her and he's not long for the world, judging from appearance.

adr's picture

Fuck you Virginia. No way Hildacuntlicker won that state. Also no way she won New Hampshire. More votes cast in Nashua than registered voters. Probably more than actually live there legally. IN fact I know for a fact that more votes were cast there than people living there legally since half the area outside of downtown Nashua is illegals.

Sir John Bagot Glubb's picture

Didn't they get 200,000 convicted felons to vote for HildeBitch in Virgina?  Probably did it for them, by proxy............

Kagemusho's picture

If you look at the Virginia county electoral map, Albemarle County looks like a tiny dot of Dem Blue in a sea of deep Republican Red. Had to be Charlottesville, home of UVA. Certainly not representative of the whole State.

ClowardPiven2016's picture

It's the same every election...the republican candidate is up a few percentage points then loses when northern Virginia votes are tallied. The state is largely Repubilcan, but northern Virginia, Richmond, and the Norfolk area that suck off the government teet always swing the election to the Democrats. Three of the five wealthiest per capita counties in the USA are in northern Virginia, you don't think they want to give up the gravy train do you?

everlearner's picture

this is fact: planned parenthood paid people from MA go vote in NH. $50 / person plus $15.00 / hour plus gas...

i saw plenty of adds on craigslist from the pp in lowel MA, on the days prior to the election.

Fathead Slim's picture
Fathead Slim (not verified) adr Dec 19, 2016 5:03 PM

There's a funny saying here in Virginia, that Richmond and Petersburg are 115% black (or at least 115% democrat).

PoasterToaster's picture
PoasterToaster (not verified) Dec 19, 2016 2:56 PM

Maybe Clinton can be President of California.  Seems they really want her there, by millions of votes.

Sir John Bagot Glubb's picture

millions of illegal alien votes, that is.............

pippi68's picture

Maybe the illegals do, but they already have a president... Enrique Peña Nieto. I, for one, as a resident of California don't want Hillary as president of the USA.

everlearner's picture

It makes sense: half of californiacation belongs to messico already. just take a trip to LA...

lakecity55's picture

Yes! And we can kick that now Worthless POS state out of the Union.

 

lakecity55's picture

Yes! And we can kick that now Worthless POS state out of the Union.

 

Greed is King's picture

Not being an American I struggle to reconcile the ability and legal right of the Electoral College to overrule the election decision of the people with Democracy. Ruling Elitists countermanding and denying the will of the people is NOT any sort of Democracy I am familiar with, consequently I am forced to conclude that the USA is not a Democracy.

Boxed Merlot's picture

consequently I am forced to conclude that the USA is not a Democracy.

 

You are correct.  We are a Constitutional Republic.

BSHJ's picture

Right out of high school civics (well, used to be anyway)

Dickweed Wang's picture

You are correct.  We are a Constitutional Republic.

 

Why is it that the "left", who typically maintain they represent the more "educated" parts of society in the USA, can't get their heads around this issue?  The US was NEVER designed as a democracy (thank God) which is essentially nothing more than mob rule.  The electoral college is just another tool put in place by the founders to ensure that the large population centers would not be able to decide who would be President for the rest of the country.  In the case of the 2016 election it worked perfectly.

P.S.  I think the correct term for the form of government in the USA is a Constitutionally Limited Republic.  A small but important difference from a Constitutional Republic.  The key word there is "Limited" . . . too bad it is totally ignored these days.

everlearner's picture

"Why is it that the "left", who typically maintain they represent the more "educated" parts of society in the USA, can't get their heads around this issue?"

Because they lost - If they won, we wouldn't here a single protest... nothing like this happened when O'drama won...

so much for "tolerance" and "inclusiviness" and all the other hypocritical BS of the left...

Dickweed Wang's picture

so much for "tolerance" and "inclusiviness" and all the other hypocritical BS of the left...

 

In other words, as a group they are a bunch of lying, hypocritical, assholes.

Joyo Bliss's picture

I heard "Hippies" was short for "Hippocrites".

Did they turn into rich liberals?

Fathead Slim's picture
Fathead Slim (not verified) Dickweed Wang Dec 19, 2016 5:00 PM

Leftism = mongoloidism.

Boxed Merlot's picture

Constitutionally Limited Republic.  A small but important difference...

 

Duly noted and correct.  Law abidance is only as important as it applies to common sense.  Though not well trained in the finer conjugations of words, legal terms and their derivations and / or limiting the applications of nuances some may wish to apply to obvious meanings should result in ultimate judgement of condemnation on any and all those unwilling to administer mercy to those to whom they themselves stand in need of recieving forgiveness from.

 

 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’  “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’  “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”  --Jesus--Luke 18:10-14

 

jmf.

bluez's picture

Have to repeat it:

Some other commentator said this here back in August:

(+) Democracy: Two wolves and lamb deciding what to have for dinner.

(+) Republic: Two hundred wolves and one-hundred lambs vote for two wolves and a lamb who will decide what to have for dinner.

(+) Constitutional Republic : A republic whose decisions are restricted by a document that plainly says that lamb can never be on the menu. The Supreme Court eventually decides, 5 wolves to 4 lambs, that "mutton" isn't the same thing as "lamb"

(+) (I wish I knew who to attribute that to.)

Dickweed Wang's picture

Democracy = Where 51% of the population can vote to murder the remaining 49%.

GreatUncle's picture

Yup 50 states banded together to form a republic but uses a democratic voting process to represent each and every state.

doublesharp's picture

True dat. 

The United States is, indeed, a republic, not a democracy

Snaffew's picture

America is not a democracy, it is a Republic.  This electoral college was set up when the country was created.  Nothing that denies the will of the people--this was set up to allow the elected officials to overrule the general publics vote if they deemed the public misallocated their vote due to a lack of sufficient information and sound judgement.

Hata Mari's picture

Your reasoning comes from The Federalist Papers, but never made it to the Constitution. The primary reason the electoral college was established was to distribute electoral power to all parts of the country, and not have it concentrated in urban centers.

corporatewhore's picture

California should not dictate their idiotic Kardashian nation on the rest of us.

Duc888's picture

 

 

USA is not a democracy..  Once you understand that everything else make sense.  The EC worked as designed this time, you can't have the population of 7 cities vote over rule that of the rest of the country.

GreatUncle's picture

Especially when they uses mass immigration to swell those states even bigger, everybody else may as well be slaves.

smacker's picture

As others have said, America is not a democracy, it's a Constitutional Republic. The very best model IMHO which should have been the blueprint for others to follow.

The C/R devolves freedoms and powers down to individuals and prevents mob rule which is what democracy usually amounts to. Which explains why so many political elites are trying to trash the American Constitution.

In the UK, there has never been a democratically elected government which has come close to achieving even a simple majority of votes. Typically, it's ~43%/44% but that ends up with an elected tyranny. Even HRH Tony Blair - despite his MSM applauded landslide election victories - never achieved close to 50% of the votes.

 

RealistDuJour's picture

You sir don't understand, that is indeed correct.  It's a Republic.  49 states popular vote went to Donald Trump with a 1.7 million in his favor.  Toss in the skewed Californian vision and suddenly it could've decided the fate of the other 49 states that clearly spoke.  So much for that "popular" vote all for Hillary...

I'm Canadian and even I can understand the necessity of this 2 level system.

 

GreatUncle's picture

Same sentiment UK parliamentary democracy and see the need for this kind of structure.

Bemused Observer's picture

They aren't overruling anyone...it goes by State. So, in my state of Pa, Trump won. My electors are supposed to cast their vote for Trump.

All states do that, and who wins that vote gets the job. I do not lose any voice in the election by doing that, on the contrary, as a Pa voter I have a greater chance of having a say than if I was just one of 350 million in a general popular vote scenario...in which case I would always lose out to the voters in Ca, NY, Fla, etc...

Popular vote does NOT scale up to 350 million people, so you MUST have some sort of representational set-up. Otherwise only those voters in very populous states would have any voice at all, leaving you with a very large number of disaffected voters in every election.

With large numbers of people, the one man/one vote thing just guarantees that the individual voter is completely meaningless...they get lost in the crowd. Direct democracy is only workable with smaller numbers of people.

Fathead Slim's picture
Fathead Slim (not verified) Greed is King Dec 19, 2016 4:57 PM

Not being an American, you can be excused for your lack of knowledge. The popular vote is only used to count total voters. The Electoral College requires that the voting precincts decide the final winner.

Precincts with low population numbers count the same as precincts with large populations. Without that provision, a few heavily populated areas of the US would decide the presidential elections, leaving the will of the majority of the counties in the US with no voice in the presidential election.

Anyway, the US is not a democracy and never has been, regardless of the propagandistic use of that word by politicians. The form of government established in the US Constitution is that of a constitutional republic. The word 'democracy' doesn't appear in the Constitution of the US. I wouldn't want to live in a democracy anyway.

The idea that 51% of the population can rule over the other 49% is odious. Majority rule equals minority oppression.

NewHugh's picture

You're only forced to SUCK IT LOSER!!!

The Conger's picture

Not a good idea upsetting presindent Trump...

KuriousKat's picture

Trump to Dems  ..If You want the Presidents Chair You can keep it..

I brought my own!

Now..GTO of my office!

 

shimmy's picture

Where is Paul Craig Roberts with this apparent coup that he was so sure was going to happen today?

Anopheles's picture

So far, faithless votes that have been allowed to stand = zero. 

 

 

Bytor325's picture

4 so far, though all refused to vote for Hillary

 

she lost votes in the Wisconsin recount, she's going to lose EV's in this count.

 

at this rate by innaguration day, She might be under 100 EV's.

 

classic

BSHJ's picture

Why is most of ZH going blank?  NEVERMIND - DISREGARD

Zorrohodge's picture

Dec 19, 2016 2:19 PM EST Minnesota cast 10 votes for Hillary Clinton after Muhammad Abdurrahan, a "faithless voter" refused to vote for her and was replaced by an alternate

Lol

Dickweed Wang's picture

. . . Muhammad Abdurrahan, a "faithless voter" refused to vote for her and was replaced by an alternate . . .

 

Replaced by an alternate??  The guy should run for governor!!

Bastiat's picture

240 right now--38 from Texas will make it 278.