Russians Mock, Ridicule Charge They Helped Trump Win

Tyler Durden's picture

If the US "intelligence services" were worried about Russian trolls, a phrase appearing 6 times in the joint report which concluded - without presenting any evidence - that Russia’s "undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrated Secretary Clinton, and harmed her electability and potential presidency" and that the "Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump", it may have an entire nation of trolls at its hands now.

The reason: as none other than the NYT admits, "the absence of any concrete evidence in the report of meddling by the Kremlin was met with a storm of mockery on Saturday by Russian politicians and commentators, who took to social media to ridicule the report as a potpourri of baseless conjecture."

Some examples: Alexey Pushkov, a member of the defense and security committee of the Russian Parliament’s upper house, ridiculed the American report as comparable to C.I.A. assertions that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction: “Mountain gave birth to a mouse: all accusations against Russia are based on ‘confidence’ and assumptions. US was sure about Hussein possessing WMD in the same way.”

He continued his criticism on Twitter, adding that "the U.S. democratic process was undermined not by Russia, but by the Obama administration and mass media, which supported [Hillary] Clinton over [President-elect Donald] Trump."

He proceeded to slam Obama as responsible for the Republicans' growing trust of Putin, stating that "the danger to democracy is within U.S. itself."

The Russian politician also criticized the Obama administration's allegation that Putin caused a decline in Russo-American relations, calling such a position "complete nonsense." "Obama took the course to isolate and undermine Russian positions, and Putin is to blame."

Franz Klintsevich, the first deputy chairman of the Defense and Security Committee of the Russian parliament's upper house, added fuel to the fire, saying the U.S. intelligence community made unfounded allegations of Russia-sponsored hacker attacks, in favor of the outgoing US presidential administration and made a fool of itself.

Speaking to RIA Novosti, the senator said that the allegations "simply make no sense. The main reason is that no one can interfere with the electoral process in such country as the United States," he pointed out. "Acting in favor of the outgoing presidential administration, the US intelligence community laid itself open to ridicule."

Other Russians agreed such as Margarita Simonyan, the editor in chief of RT, a state-funded television network that broadcasts in English, who is cited repeatedly in the report, posted her own message on Twitter scoffing at the American intelligence community’s accusations. “Aaa, the CIA report is out! Laughter of the year! Intro to my show from 6 years ago is the main evidence of Russia’s influence at US elections. This is not a joke!” she wrote.

Even Russians who have been critical of their government voiced dismay at the United States intelligence agencies’ account of an elaborate Russian conspiracy unsupported by solid evidence. Alexey Kovalyov, a Russian journalist who has followed and frequently criticized RT, said he was aghast that the report had given so much attention to the television station. “I do have a beef with RT and their chief,” Mr. Kovalyov wrote in a social media post, “But they are not your nemesis, America. Please chill.”

The Kremlin, which has in the past repeatedly denied any role in the hacking of the Democratic National Committee computer system, had no immediate response to the declassified report. Putin instead made a show of business as usual, attending a church service to mark the start of Orthodox Christmas.

His composure was understandable because as the NYT again remarkably notes, "The report provides no new evidence to support assertions that Moscow meddled covertly through hacking and other actions to boost the electoral chances of Donald J. Trump and undermine his rival, Hillary Clinton, but rests instead on what it describes as Moscow’s long record of trying to influence America’s political system."

In other words, speculation and innuendo. Curiously, the NYT's bashing of the report continued: 

The public report did not include evidence on the sources and methods used to collect the information about Mr. Putin and his associates that intelligence officials said was in a classified version.

The NYT also cited Mark Galeotti, an expert on Russian intelligence agencies at the Institute of International Relations in Prague, who said he was skeptical of the accusation that Putin had ordered the hacking. All the same, he added, Russian spies, like their Soviet predecessors, “don’t just collect information but try to assert influence.” United States intelligence operatives, he said, have often done the same thing but the Russians, convinced that the United States orchestrated protests in Ukraine in 2014 that toppled the pro-Moscow president, Viktor F. Yanukovych, and other popular uprisings in former Soviet lands, “have a more aggressive approach to meddling in other people’s politics.”

The NYT continued: "Galeotti, the intelligence expert in Prague, cautioned that this mission to influence foreign politics was not a uniquely Russian phenomenon but had also been embraced in the past by the C.I.A., which, in the 1950s, sought to shape and subvert politics in countries like Iran and Guatemala."

Actually, and this is the real punchline, there is an entire Wikipedia page dedicated to US involvement in overthrowing foreign regimes. Here are just the examples since World War II  (* indicates successful ouster of a government)

  • China 1949 to early 1960s
  • Albania 1949-53
  • East Germany 1950s
  • Iran 1953 *
  • Guatemala 1954 *
  • Costa Rica mid-1950s
  • Syria 1956-7
  • Egypt 1957
  • Indonesia 1957-8
  • British Guiana 1953-64 *
  • Iraq 1963 *
  • North Vietnam 1945-73
  • Cambodia 1955-70 *
  • Laos 1958 *, 1959 *, 1960 *
  • Ecuador 1960-63 *
  • Congo 1960 *
  • France 1965
  • Brazil 1962-64 *
  • Dominican Republic 1963 *
  • Cuba 1959 to present
  • Bolivia 1964 *
  • Indonesia 1965 *
  • Ghana 1966 *
  • Chile 1964-73 *
  • Greece 1967 *
  • Costa Rica 1970-71
  • Bolivia 1971 *
  • Australia 1973-75 *
  • Angola 1975, 1980s
  • Zaire 1975
  • Portugal 1974-76 *
  • Jamaica 1976-80 *
  • Seychelles 1979-81
  • Chad 1981-82 *
  • Grenada 1983 *
  • South Yemen 1982-84
  • Suriname 1982-84
  • Fiji 1987 *
  • Libya 1980s
  • Nicaragua 1981-90 *
  • Panama 1989 *
  • Bulgaria 1990 *
  • Albania 1991 *
  • Iraq 1991
  • Afghanistan 1980s *
  • Somalia 1993
  • Yugoslavia 1999-2000 *
  • Ecuador 2000 *
  • Afghanistan 2001 *
  • Venezuela 2002 *
  • Iraq 2003 *
  • Haiti 2004 *
  • Somalia 2007 to present
  • Honduras 2009
  • Libya 2011 *
  • Syria 2012
  • Ukraine 2014 *

Perhaps the reasons behind the rushed, and frankly humiliating, report is that US intelligence was scrambling to respond to the first ever case of someone doing to it what the US had done to the rest of the world for decades without any fear of retaliation.

As for Galeotti, he said the United States intelligence report on Russian meddling in the November election had gone too far in projecting Cold War attitudes onto today’s reality. He said it was a mistake to suppose that Mr. Putin had from the start conducted “a Machiavellian conspiracy” aimed at bringing Mr. Trump to power.

More likely, he added, was that Mr. Putin was not involved or even informed about initial efforts to hack into the D.N.C. computer system but, informed after the fact about what had been done, “decided to act opportunistically” and make use of the hacker’s harvest of emails to try to tilt the election.

His conclusion: “I don’t think the Russians believed for a minute that Trump could really be elected,” Galeotti said. “They were convinced that U.S. elites would ensure that one of their own would win. They thought they had a chance to do a bit of mischief but I think they were amazed, even aghast, at what happened.

Why? Here is perhaps the biggest reason, also known as the real fake news courtesy of Reuters...

 

the New York Times...

 

And, of course, the Washington Post.

So yeah, it was Putin's fault:

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alexcojones's picture

Must be hundreds of reasons why we Americans preferred Trump.

I can think of dozens right off the bat - Arkancide - the huge list of people who trusted the Clintons.  And died

Clinton Body Count - Zpub.com
Ralph Spoilsport's picture

The Russians are laughing! The Russians are laughing! 

(Better than The Russians are Coming!)

Ignatius's picture

Good and timely title for a movie (comedy).  Write it.

Ignatius's picture

Saw it in the theatre.  I was 10.

Ralph Spoilsport's picture

Geez, I was 13 and also saw it with my parents at "the movies". You old fart.  :-)

BTW, if your handle has anything to do with the book, I've read Confederacy of Dunces 3 times. You seem like the kind of person who would like that book, if you don't mind me saying,er...just sayin' or whatever they fucking say these days. 

Occident Mortal's picture

The problem in the 2016 election was that the establishment had gotten so arrogant that it didn't even bother to hide the glaring across-the-board favouritism lavished on Hillary Clinton...

The American people are the one who saw an opportunity to be mischievous and boy did they reach for it.

Drink your own Koolaid you greedy bastards.

beemasters's picture

Putin/Russians would be better off suing WaPo for defamation! Two cases: the election hack and the electrical grid hack.

Relentless's picture

It wasn't Putin, we all know the biggest Russian influence on and mocker of the US elections was Boris Alotovkrap :)

 

monk27's picture

The problem with our "intelligence" ( really ??) agencies is the fact that their collective IQ has been reduced to match Obozo's IQ (which ain't too high...); hence, the recently witnessed Jerry Springer kind of shit show...

Ralph Spoilsport's picture

Ignatius, I just looked at your profile. "Never mind".

My current goal in life is to not become a montage of all the main characters in that book.

Ralph Spoilsport's picture

"I think you a communiss."

-- Claude Robichaux

Ignatius's picture

"Woo-hoo, I be callin' a po-lice office man a communiss my ass be in Angola."  --  Jones

Fathead Slim's picture

"Egermancy. Evribuddy to clear from stritt".

consider me gone's picture

I remember watching that movie was a big deal in our family. Did they come and leave without stopping in to say hello?

Croesus's picture

Best quote:

"Mountain gave birth to a mouse".....

LMFAO.

@ Russia:

Keep ridiculing the American government, please! They deserve it.

GUS100CORRINA's picture

America is the laughing stock of the world!!! Looking forward to TRUMP/PENCE team taking charge to "FIX THE MESS".

As a dide note, Damascus, Syria is a "ruinous heap" along with the rest of Syria. Who is to blame for this tragedy?

AMERICA!!!!!! America dropped over 50,000 bombs under CLINTON/OBAMA leadership that destroyed Syrian infrastructure. UNBELIEVABLE!!!

May the GOD of the Bible have mercy on America for Her SINs.

 

RagaMuffin's picture

Yeah Putin is going to aid and abet the candidate who will pump oil until the US is one foot below sea level. Oil the life blood of Russia...

Vageling's picture

You can actually live below sealevel you knew that? You just need to keep the water "managed". You'll be fine ;)

RagaMuffin's picture

According to garmin, lord of the satelites, much of eastern NC is below sea level already...

Guderian's picture

A god part of the Netherlands (=lowlands) is below sea level. The windmills are actually groundwater pumps.

The Dhanakil is also beow sea level -if not for very muc longer...

Arnold's picture

Death Valley.

http://www.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_elevation_of_death_valley

 

Most Cities with a population over 100,000 are underwater already, if that helps.

Ignatius's picture

Hey, any of you younger guys, how many times did you see that list of US coups on the chalkboard in high school?

peddling-fiction's picture

In a U.S. college I was taught that conspiracy theories do not exist.

Yes, Dear Leader, they do not exist. *zombie eyes*

Implied Violins's picture

I actually experienced the opposite, as my very first college class featured a history professor who told us the real meat behind the writing of the Constitution (language written to protect white male land owners, etc.). From then on I have had my eyes open...but of course, that was 1981. Another world entirely.

peddling-fiction's picture

We all have had a great teacher or two in our lives that made a difference.

I went to college in 1987 in Penn State, but out of main campus.

Philly, no thank you.

Vageling's picture

Zero. Too busy parroting how zee Amerikansky decided to finally come. US history btw is not on the menu.

Killdo's picture

never in Yugoslavia back in 70s

but they used to tell us Americans are stupid, socially disconnected, they don't care about their parents and are obsessed with money. Also that American education sucks

FredFlintstone's picture

We have become a joke. Thanks Obama.

runswithscissors's picture

who is this "We"? The progressives and thier liberal media mouthpieces are the joke.

 

anti-republocrat's picture

There's nothing "progressive" about Hillary Clinton nor Barack Obama, just as there was nothing "conservative" about George W Bush or Mitt Romney.  Millions of "leftists" stayed home on Nov. 8, which is why Hillary lost.  Why are you trying to divide the American people?

BarkingCat's picture

It is Obama that is a joke.

A very bad joke.....and almost over.

GreatUncle's picture

American people are not the joke, their leaders sadly are.

You cannot make an honest vote without the truth, you allowed the liars to rule you like we did in Britain.

That is why we ended up in this fucking mess ... the lie? HELLLLL FUCKINGGGGGGG NOOOOOOOOOO!

The liars that decieve and rule over us.

Allow the liar to live you get a stream of lies just like you got, kill the liar it ends no mouth churning out more lies.

anti-republocrat's picture

It's been 70 years coming.  The CIA was created in the Truman Administration, though it was Eisenhower who let it get truly out of control under Allen Dulles.

TheBigCluB's picture

Trump cant win it is written in the stars!

TheBigCluB's picture

More beatings bitchez

moral improving yet?

nmewn's picture

1. So, when will Hillary and Debbie Wassername-Schultz be charged with interfering in "our democracy"? The emails were not forged, they were authentic.

2. Scott Foval & Robert Creamer hiring mentally deficient homeless people to incite riots...any charges forthcoming...LowRenta? ;-)

shovelhead's picture

Can you prosecute a duck?

peddling-fiction's picture

I have heard that duck liver makes good pate.

Bay of Pigs's picture

Indeed. And where is Eric Braverman? The entire CF, HRC campaign and DNC narrative is complete bullshit.

nmewn's picture

At a time when "federal law enforcement" (such as it is...lol) is investigating the Clinton Foundation for what can only be called BRIBERY & CORRUPTION...the MSM Fake News agencies are oddly silent on the fate of Eric Braverman aren't they?

No op-eds. No "journalistic curiosity" standing behind their shredded shield of "freedom of the press". Saying. Nothing. Seeing. Nothing. Leading to moar lack of their journalistic integrity which they bemoaningly write about...endlessly...in op-eds. No Bernsteins & Woodwards in sight. Not even one.

Complete...utter...group-think...silence.

Why, what could it all possibly mean? ;-)

Ralph Spoilsport's picture

I started paying attention to TV news in the early 60s and remember Walter Cronkite going on about the Viet Nam War and the family was all ears because my brother got drafted and I would be up in a few years. What Cronkite said we agreed with because we literally had skin in the game and we were still hurting from losses from the Korean War. Now they are saying the newscasters back then were full of shit and were shaping people's opinions. You never heard about any victories, just a lot of negativity and hopelessness accompanied by grisly but expertly edited war footage. No wonder people took drugs. 

Having said that, what we got now is a hundred times worse and your opinion of today's press and media is pretty much what I think too. Well said.