The Problem With Forecasts

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Submitted by Lance Roberts via,

The Problem With Forecasts

We can’t predict the future – if it was actually possible fortune tellers would all win the lottery.  They don’t, we can’t, and we aren’t going to try. However, this doesn’t stop the annual parade of Wall Street analysts from pegging 12-month price targets on the S&P 500 as if there was an actual science behind what is nothing more than a “WAG.” (Wild Ass Guess).

In reality, all we can do is analyze what has happened in the past, weed through the noise of the present and try to discern the possible outcomes of the future.

The biggest single problem with Wall Street, both today and in the past, is the consistent disregard of the possibilities for unexpected, random events. In a 2010 study, by the McKinsey Group, they found that analysts have been persistently overly optimistic for 25 years. During the 25-year time frame, Wall Street analysts pegged earnings growth at 10-12% a year when in reality earnings grew at 6% which, as we have discussed in the past, is the growth rate of the economy.

Ed Yardeni published the two following charts which shows that analysts are always overly optimistic in their estimates.

This is why using forward earnings estimates as a valuation metric is so incredibly flawed – as the estimates are always overly optimistic roughly 33% on average. Furthermore, the reason that earnings only grew at 6% over the last 25 years is because the companies that make up the stock market are a reflection of real economic growth. Stocks cannot outgrow the economy in the long term…remember that.

The McKenzie study noted that on average “analysts’ forecasts have been almost 100% too high” and this leads investors into making much more aggressive bets in the financial markets. Wall Street is a group of highly conflicted marketing and PR firms. Companies hire Wall Street to “market” for them so that their stock prices will rise and with executive pay tied to stock-based compensation you can understand their desire.

However, if analysts are bearish on the companies they cover – their access to information to the company they cover is cut off. This reduces fees from the company to the Wall Street firm hurting their revenue. Furthermore, Wall Street has to have a customer to sell their products to – that would be you.

Talk about conflicted. Just ask yourself WHY Wall Street spends BILLIONS of dollars each year in marketing and advertising trying to keep you invested at all times.

Since optimism is what sells products, it is not surprising, as we head into 2017, to see Wall Street’s average expectation ratcheted up another 4.7% this year. Of course, comparing your portfolio to the market is a major mistake to begin with.

As I wrote previously:

“Comparison is the cause of more unhappiness in the world than anything else. Perhaps it is inevitable that human beings as social animals have an urge to compare themselves with one another. Maybe it is just because we are all terminally insecure in some cosmic sense. Social comparison comes in many different guises. ‘Keeping up with the Joneses,’ is one well-known way.


If your boss gave you a Mercedes as a yearly bonus, you would be thrilled—right up until you found out everyone else in the office got two cars. Then you are ticked. But really, are you deprived of getting a Mercedes? Isn’t that enough?


Comparison-created unhappiness and insecurity is pervasive, judging from the amount of spam touting everything from weight-loss to plastic surgery. The basic principle seems to be that whatever we have is enough, until we see someone else who has more. Whatever the reason, comparison in financial markets can lead to remarkably bad decisions.


It is this ongoing measurement against some random benchmark index which remains the key reason why investors have trouble patiently sitting on their hands, letting whatever process they are comfortable with, work for them. They get waylaid by some comparison along the way and lose their focus. If you tell a client that they made 12% on their account, they are very pleased. If you subsequently inform them that “everyone else” made 14%, you have made them upset. The whole financial services industry, as it is constructed now, is predicated on making people upset so they will move their money around in a frenzy.


Money in motion creates fees and commissions. The creation of more and more benchmarks and style boxes is nothing more than the creation of more things to COMPARE to, allowing clients to stay in a perpetual state of outrage.”

Focus on what is important to you, your goals and your money. In the end, this is why you started investing in the first place.

A Note On Risk Management

This is why I always focus on the management of risks. Greater returns are generated from the management of “risks” rather than the attempt to create returns. Although it may seem contradictory, embracing uncertainty reduces risk while denial increases it.

Another benefit of acknowledged uncertainty is it keeps you honest.

“A healthy respect for uncertainty and focus on probability drives you never to be satisfied with your conclusions.  It keeps you moving forward to seek out more information, to question conventional thinking and to continually refine your judgments and understanding that difference between certainty and likelihood can make all the difference.”  – Robert Rubin

The reality is that we can’t control outcomes; the most we can do is influence the probability of certain outcomes which is why the day to day management of risks and investing based on probabilities, rather than possibilities, is important not only to capital preservation but to investment success over time.

This Is Interesting

If you didn’t happen to read Friday’s reading list, I want to repeat this little blurb.

As I stated in the weekend newsletter entitle “Dow 20,000” the market was beginning to take on an eerily similar feeling:

“If this market rally seems eerily familiar, it’s because it is. If fact, the backdrop of the rally reminds me much of what was happening in 1999.



  • Fed was hiking rates as worries about inflationary pressures were present.
  • Economic growth was improving 
  • Interest and inflation were rising
  • Earnings were rising through the use of “new metrics,” share buybacks and an M&A spree. (Who can forget the market greats of Enron, Worldcom & Global Crossing)
  • Stock market was beginning to go parabolic as exuberance exploded in a “can’t lose market.”


If you were around then, you will remember.”

With Janet Yellen and the Fed once again chasing an imaginary inflation “boogeyman” (inflation is currently lower than any pre-recessionary period since the 1970’s) the tightening of monetary policy, with already weak economic growth, may once again prove problematic.

“But Lance, this is the most hated bull market ever?”

If price acceleration in the market is a sign of investor optimism, then the chart recently published by MarketWatch should raise some alarm bells.

The only other time in history where the Dow advanced 5000 points over a 24-month period was during the 1998-1999 period of “irrational exuberance” as the Fed was fighting the fears an inflationary advance, while valuations were rising and GDP growth rates were slowing.

Maybe it’s just coincidence.

Maybe “this time is different.”

Or it could just be the inevitable beginning of the ending of the current bull market cycle.

Decennial & Presidential Election Cycles

As I noted in last weekend’s newsletter we are heading into 2017 with:

  • Markets pushing historic levels of extreme overbought conditions,
  • 2nd highest levels of valuation on record,
  • Extreme deviations from long-term growth trend lines,
  • Investor sentiment and confidence pushing extreme bullishness,
  • Investors fully committed to the market with low levels of cash, and;
  • High levels of leverage in terms of margin debt and corporate debt.

In other words, after 8 straight years of a bull market advance, what is the risk you are taking to garner additional returns?

With markets pushing overbought, overvalued, and bullish extremes the future outcomes have not been terrific

However, what does the Decennial cycle have to say about 2017?

As we enter into the 7th year of the decade, what do the decennial trends tell us about the probabilities of stock market returns in the coming year? Here is the entire history back to 1833.  Interestingly, you will note at the bottom of the chart the 7th year of the Decennial cycle is the WORST performing year of the decade.

You will also note the 7th year of the decade has been negatively biased over its history turning in an average return of -4.08%.  Furthermore, the negative return years matched the positive 9 to 9, or rather it was a coin flip (50/50) as to the outcome.

However, as noted by the highlights, the market has been NEGATIVE 7 of 9 times when the 7th year of the Decennial cycle coincided with the 1st year of a Presidential election cycle. Like this year.

With a win/loss ratio of 50%, the odds are equally balanced on the guess of an outcome. However, while the average return of an up year has been 11.29%, the average of down years has been a more damaging -20.29%  

Help From The Oval Office?

The stock market is also moving into the first year of the Presidential election cycle. With President Obama completing his final year of his term – the market, and the economy, are dealing with higher costs and taxes from the Affordable Care Act combined with reduced liquidity from the Federal Reserve. Furthermore, the ongoing debate and drama from Washington is unlikely to end soon, and fiscal policy will likely fall short of current expectations.

The good news is the first year of the President’s term sports an average return of 3.10%. However, the return has to tempered with just a 47.83% winning percentage. Since 1833 the market has been positive 22 out of 46 post-election years.

While the odds of a positive year in 2017 are more, or less, evenly balanced, one should not dismiss the potential for a decline. With the current market already well advanced and pushing overvaluation levels and extreme deviations from long-term means, the risk of a decline like outweighs the potential of a further advance.

I read most of the mainstream analyst’s predictions to get a gauge on the “consensus.”  This year, more so than most, the outlook for 2017 is universally, and to some degree exuberantly, bullish.

What comes to mind is Bob Farrell’s Rule #9 which states:

“When everyone agrees…something else is bound to happen.”

The real economy is not supportive of asset prices at current levels and further elevations in prices increase the potential for a future market dislocation. For investors that are close to or in retirement, some consideration should be given to capital preservation over chasing potential market returns.

Will 2017 turn in another positive performance? Maybe. But, honestly, I don’t really know.

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BabaLooey's picture

I thought this article wasn't going to be chart porn.....

SPAMMED again.

However - thanks for all the (useless) data!

BabaLooey's picture

Bill McKinley and Cal Coolidge were stock wizards....

NoWayJose's picture

The forecasts have to be wild ass guesses because the official government statistics and releases are ALSO wild ass guesses!

Dr.Carl's picture

Interesting comment that predicting the future in stocks cannot be done.


Here is as link to the FB page of a group of analysts who left Goldman Sachs over 25 years ago.  They actually make correct predictions


Now HokumY and LowerDeleware will come along and say that I am spamming.  But I say why would I do that. The fact is that this chart PROVES BEYOND ANY DOUBT THAT THIS ANALYST DOES IN FACT PREDICT CORRECTLY THE FUTURE MOVEMENTS OF THE STOCK MARKETS. 


Anyone who can read can see that this is a true fact. TRUTH RULES!!!!!!

ErikE's picture

You are right. Their analysis has been dead on. But I thinjk a lot of people on here are broke. Those who were traders have lost too much money after listening to all the bearish articles on ZH for the past five years. 

LowerSlowerDelaware_LSD's picture
LowerSlowerDelaware_LSD (not verified) ErikE Jan 8, 2017 10:58 PM

The SchlongWave spam accounts are spam commenting and talking to each other again.  This time Dr.Carl and ErikE - see the list, below - except for the new spam accounts being added, it's ALWAYS one of those spam accounts! Don't forget to give yourselves a LOT of thumbs ups and me thumbs down!  Oddly, your thumbs ups WAY outweigh the number of thumbs ups in all of the surounding posts (do some analysis!). As if it is you and your spam accounts giving the thumbs ups to your spam comments.  Oh...




If I didn't know better I'd think that shepwave is intentionally trying to ruin whatever reputation that their business might have had with ZH users by brutally spamming the crap out of ZH.  They must be dumb as bricks at SchlongWave.  No doubt it is reflected in their "analyses."

When a company is so dishonest that they will flood web sites with spam comments as free "advertising" there is no need to click on a link, hidden or not, to go to their "charts."  Dishonest is the key word - and it is pervasive in this case.

The following is a list of **most** of the SchlongWave spam accounts.  Note how they are always the same ones talking between themselves. AliSONY, Babs.St.Louis, Billy G, Chi Juan, Dr.Carl, ErikE, FemDayTrader, Irvingm, jasony, John Beau, KC Spike, MadhyaBharatx, MexInvest, MikeM54, Mon T, P Christmas Carole, Pinky and the Brain, RonnieM, Sonya B59, Stan Your Man, StevieTexie, Van G, and wisetrader224




Babs.St.Louis's picture

Okay HokumY it is obvious what your are doing. There are many people who konw of Shepwave. Why don't yiou add cat to the list too and all of us.  Did you forget me?  Oh no there I am.  Good. I am on the list of profitable traders. Thanks.


Your intimidation efforts are not working.  The people on ZH who have been following Shepwave will not stand up to your bullying. 

LowerSlowerDelaware_LSD's picture
LowerSlowerDelaware_LSD (not verified) Babs.St.Louis Jan 9, 2017 9:06 AM

LOL! You have never been to ZH before your spam marketing campaign, have you? "Bullying." The poor little snowflakes at your company. You need your safe space to get away from these micro-aggressions!

cat2005's picture

Yes but how many times have they made calls (bear or bull) that never happened? That is not a snark comment but an honest question.

Babs.St.Louis's picture

They flip in and out of short term positions a lot but 95% of hte times even those are for profit.


Their mid to longer term trend as they call them are basically 99% profitable. But the thing I like about them is that they are objective and teach how to use stops and things that make a person a truly profitable trader. 

ebworthen's picture

Where did all those stock market gains come from again?

Oh yeah:

Dragon HAwk's picture

Forecasts are like Assholes, everybody has one.

Aquarius's picture

Opinions and Lies:

Muppet Love Boat (MLB)


The Cure (for the Initiated Only)


Ho hum

Tom Green Swedish's picture

let's take a look at median forecasts for 2008. You might be able to predict today tomorrow or the next week but a year from now. cmon man.

Tom Green Swedish's picture

let's take a look at median forecasts for 2008. It was 11 percent instead it fell 40%. LOL. You might be able to predict today tomorrow or the next week but a year from now. cmon man.

P4K's picture

Gives a great bullish signal when they (ever-so-rarely) under-predict earnings '88, '96, '04, '05, '06, '10, '11.  But yeah, generally they suck.