State Department Says Presenting Evidence Of Russian Hacking Would Be "Irresponsible"

Tyler Durden's picture

One recurring lament throughout the theatrically dramatic campaign involving reports and emotional appeals by US intelligence agencies such as the CIA (whose primary function is the creation of disinformation) to ordinary Americans, that Russia had "hacked the US presidential election" is that for all the bluster and "conviction", there has been zero evidence.

And, as it turns out, there won't be any, because according to the US State Department, US intelligence agencies were right to not reveal evidence of their proof that Russia interfered in US elections, and comparisons with intelligence reports that Iraq had WMDs were not relevant in the current year.

Asked by RT’s Gayane Chichakyan if Friday’s public intelligence report should have contained any proof of Russian intervention, State Department spokesman John Kirby said that no one should be surprised that US intelligence agencies were keeping evidence secret in order to protect sources and methods.

“Most American people understand that they have the responsibility to protect their sources and methods,” Kirby said, adding it would be “irresponsible” to do otherwise. Actually, with the Iraq WMD fiasco strill fresh in "American people's" minds, it is irresponsible to think most Americans are still naive idiots who will believe whatever the "intelligence agencies" will tell them.

Alas, none of that has filtered through to the appropriate authorities, and Kirby said that it was "up to the agencies to decide which information they share with the public. We rely on them to make that determination for themselves." And, in this case, it meant sharing no information at all.

The assessment in Friday’s report was made “by all 17 intelligence communities. All of them came to the same basic conclusion: that Russia interfered in the US election,” Kirby said. “All of our intelligence communities came to the same basic conclusion, over and over again.”

They just couldn't prove it, instead hoping that by repeating the same statement over and over would be sufficient.

Furthermore, the actual report, describes itself as an “analytic assessment drafted and coordinated among The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and The National Security Agency (NSA).”

Russian President Vladimir Putin and his government “aspired to help President-elect Trump’s election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton and publicly contrasting her unfavorably to him,” the agencies assert in the report, noting that the CIA and FBI have “high confidence” in this judgment, while the NSA – which, in theory, would have actual surveillance data to prove the assertion – had only “moderate” confidence.

Secretary of State John Kerry “believes strongly that they handled this matter in the appropriate way, in terms of how it was analyzed, how it was presented, and how it was briefed to those who needed to see a deeper level of information,” Kirby said.

When Chichakyan brought up the 2003 intelligence assessment on the Iraqi weapons of mass destruction – invoked by the Bush administration to justify the US invasion and occupation of that country – Kirby said the comparison was irrelevant, since that was a long time ago.

“We have moved on. We have learned a lot from those mistakes,” he said.

Ironically, somehow much of America ended up with the opposite conclusion.

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J S Bach's picture

If this isn't "Orwellian".... nothing is.

OceanX's picture

And going to war based on unsubstantiated lies would be?

BullyBearish's picture

A must watch for things to come with  Trump presidency:


Bunghole's picture

Didn't State claim Ambassador Stevens was killed over a you tube video?

Great track record, assmaggot

Pinto Currency's picture

Transcription error.

MalteseFalcon's picture

Who are these bozos kidding?

11 days until the "proof" is revealed and the "State" department gets emptied out.

CheapBastard's picture

Actaully, this schmuck is wrong---92% of Republicans polled said Russian hacking news is Fake News and complete "nonsense."

847328_3527's picture

Kirby and his husband finally forced Kerry to apologize:


Kerry apologizes for past LGBT discrimination at State Department


Vatican_cameo's picture


He apologized for not  "Taking One for the Team".  He spit on the Wookie's dress........

Stainless Steel Rat's picture
Stainless Steel Rat (not verified) Vatican_cameo Jan 9, 2017 11:51 PM


Creative_Destruct's picture


EXACTLY! Excellent observation SSR. Data can be revealed WITHOUT revealing  sources and methods!! This smear campaign is pegging out the BULLSHIT meter...

Shemp 4 Victory's picture

...and to think we all laughed at the flimsy and transparent utterances of Baghdad Bob.

Somehow the same kind of bullshit isn't quite as funny when it's being spouted by the aggressor. Especially when the aggressor doesn't just have WMDs, but has used them before.

BabaLooey's picture


Because we all KNOW if anything close to this goes on in the Trump admninistration...


What a steaming OCEAN OF BULLSHIT this is.

Manthong's picture


That weasel schmuck infuriates me.

If his next job was shoveling shit in a stable it would be a step up in dignity for him.


at least weaselette Psaki had the good sense to get knocked up and out of there.


SoDamnMad's picture

OK  But just for you Stainless Steel Rat and DON'T share this with anyone else.

Here at the CIA we take a 24" dartboard and put 15 Russian, 15 Chinese, 15 Iranian and 15 "other" pie sections on it.  

We spin the wheel and a blindfolded Director Clapper throw darts at the spinning wheel. We then take the hits and statistically figure out which is the most credible source (shots which just hit the wall, floor or other CIA agents are counted with the highest country).  We then KNOW with a high degree of certainty which country hacked our US systems.  
DISCLAIMER: This method was NOT used on the Iraqi WMD.  That old method used the monkey grabbing bananas labeled "WITH WMD" or "NOT WMD". 

Creative_Destruct's picture

" one should be surprised that US intelligence agencies were keeping evidence secret in order to protect sources and methods."

I'm not surprised at all....standard Creative Info Agency procedure...can't reveal the "evidence" when doing so would reveal that there is no evidence... that would blow the disinformation campaign.

And if the NSA, THE hacking expert, has only "moderate" confidence ( which was likely raised to that level by political pressure), then we can have HIGH confidence that this is likely a sham.

N2OJoe's picture

They misspelled "impossible"

Chris Dakota's picture
Chris Dakota (not verified) CheapBastard Jan 10, 2017 1:19 AM

You make a claim that can result in nuclear war and refuse to present any evidence, even faked evidence.

It was leaked by Seth Rich the kilt man with nothing stolen.

Thank God Trump won and Putin is sane.

RiverRoad's picture

We have "moved on" from those "mistakes" to new and better "mistakes".

MalteseFalcon's picture

Trump has been explicit about his policy with Russia.

Normalized relations.

The rats at the State Department are abandoning ship of their own volition right now.

This is just a parting shot from the undearly departing.

You need to keep up.

auricle's picture

I'll be looking very closely to see how Trumps State Department handles the burden of proof owed to the citizens prior to degrading relations with other countries. Also, This assessment led to Obama reclassifying the elections as critical infrastructure. Another example of bullshit and lies leading ro more power grabs by the .gov. Trump's got a lot of unwinding to do. 

BennyBoy's picture


State Department Says Presenting Evidence Of Russian Hacking Would Be "Impossible because there is none."

Dame Ednas Possum's picture

I agree with Kirby unreservedly when he stated: 'I think, er... well, I don't think...' 

These blind fools cannot fathom that an increasing number of others don't simply regurgitate the narrative thoughtlessly. We apply rational thought, particularly in considering what the implications are to the innocents e.g. 500,000 dead civilians in Iraq. 

It's good in a way as it simply brings society closer to the demise of this evil sooner.  Unfortunately this may require us passing through a period of intense turmoil, upheaval, pain and suffering. 

As Jim Morrison said:

'they've got the guns, but we got the numbers... TAKING OVER... C'MON' 

chubbar's picture

Bwahaha, this flaming fucking asshole HAS to know that he has NO credibility with most of the US population. Who gives a fuck what he says, it's a lie!

Dame Ednas Possum's picture

Don't underestimate the danger posed by a lie. 

Human history is rife with catastrophic events that have been initiated by one or more lies. 

Giant Meteor's picture

Yep and these are whoppers ...

When Chichakyan brought up the 2003 intelligence assessment on the Iraqi weapons of mass destruction – invoked by the Bush administration to justify the US invasion and occupation of that country – Kirby said the comparison was irrelevant, since that was a long time ago.

“We have moved on. We have learned a lot from those mistakes,” he said.

Do tell, do tell. Please enlighten us, as to what exactly, you have learned ... or perhaps you can't tell us that either, as it would also be irresponsible. Rotten treasonous bastards ...


Vatican_cameo's picture


Did you ever notice that the Facts have an "Expiration Date" attached to them.  Press any Liberal about the Facts and one of the excuses will be "Well that was a long time ago".  WTF does that have to do with anything?  They were the Facts two minutes after it happened and they will be the Fact 100 years from now.  These Libtards slay me.

Dame Ednas Possum's picture

But the lies just keep on keepin' on. 

In fact they mutate and metastasise over time. 

SoDamnMad's picture

Thank heavens for the grocery delivery services. Otherwise Kirby would have to walk the streets as a mortal.  Sure we believe you. NOT

philipat's picture

So let me see if I get this straight. Either, there IS no evidence, OR the US is doing precisely the same things that the Russians are accused of? Neither is an attractive admission by .gov if the propoganda is to be effective. Repeat after me, it was the Russians......

07564111's picture

OR the US is doing precisely the same things that the Russians are accused of?

For your viewing pleasure

delacroix's picture

of course it would be irresponsible, to release falsified evidence, that could be disproven by a high school student.

JRobby's picture

But telling your enemies when you will attack, invade and withdraw troops is sound policy.

SickDollar's picture

I mean i know you call us Sheeps but How dumb do you think we are with this statement ???


NoDebt's picture

They don't think we're dumb.  They think we were all born with a Memory Hole they can trigger on demand.

Don't let them get away with it.  Call it out whenever and wherever you see it.



philipat's picture

Agreed, but in fairness their (The establishment and their MSM arm) propoganda, straight out of Goebbels' manual (Specifically; tell a lie big enough, repeat it often enough and the people will eventually believe it) has been quite effective. A significant portion of the US population (Probably beyond redemption and barely intelligent enough to eat a cheeseburger) believe that the Russians are responsible for all the problems of the Libtards. There has been very little serious attention given to the CONTENT of the leaked emails, none of which has been disputed as inaccurate, a classic diversionary propoganda tactic. Pizzagate appears to be going nowhere, Shitlery's email treason is forgotten, the Foundation's legal woes have gone quiet and Weiner's laptop hasn't been mentioned for weeks. Life goes on......

Bay of Pigs's picture

The press in America is sickening and beyond repair.

And people question Trumps use of Twitter?

Ignatius's picture

I think it's safe to say we have a different definition of "irresponsible" than herr Kirby.

Also, it should be noted that this tact and edict by the Deep State has all the trappings of the new religion of NeoLiberalism:  one is not allowed to question its key tenets.

NoDebt's picture

Personally, I hope every damned thing they say is absolutely true and nobody believes them this time.  "Boy who cried wolf" syndrome.  I want their last days to be filled with as much frustration, anger and bile as they can possibly imagne.  My last 8 years have been as I've watched this shambling shit show run amok in DC.  So in the name of Socialism, of sharing the misery, I invite them in to swim the same waters I've been swimming, watching them tear down and generally fuck up our country at every turn.

Reap the whirlwind, Obama.  Reap it!


The Joker's picture

Did you mean the Wolf who cried for boy?

NoDebt's picture

The very same.

My favorite was when Wolf interviewed a kid named Falcon (oh, the delicious metaphor of a Wolf interviewing a Falcon!) whose father claimed he was swept up into the air on a balloon and carried off.  It was, of course, a complete fucking hoax.  And 'ol Wolf was there lapping it up and spewing the "false news" all across the land.  Fucking classic.

No memory hole.  My one hideous birth defect.


The Joker's picture

HA HA HA HA.  Holy shit, I think I remember that story.

Jeffersonian Liberal's picture

And what did the State Department say about making unsupported accusations about foreign nations -- accusations that can be taken as an act of war?