Norway’s Fish For Brains Trade With India (Part I: Background)

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Submitted by Nick Camran of Letters from Norway

This is a personal story, discussing skilled immigration experiences and implications in both Norway and in the USA. I am a native born American of Indian origin having worked in both the US and Norwegian IT sectors. To translate the Norwegian references, you can right click in the Google Chrome browser and select “Translate to English” or use Google Translate.

Desperate to sell more fish, Norway is looking to India, allowing their IT companies increased access to the local market, in exchange for tariff reductions, which are currently high for European imports. On the surface, it appears to be a win-win deal but digging a little deeper, there are some serious long-term implications. (it still remains unclear whether or not this deal went through).

Monica Mæland: Norwegian Minister of Trade & Industry

Specifically, they want the following:

The ability to transmit and host Norwegian more personal information in India. Special areas within the company are sealed and secured, meeting Norwegian regulations. Indian IT workers can work in those zones same as a Norwegian in Trondheim or Oslo: otherwise known as a “Little Norway” zone. Since the connection is ubiquitous wit the onshore entity, they can access data containing credit card and social security numbers.

Although Mæland hopes that the Indians can make concessions on this point, they and the fishing industry are pushing hard. Geir Ove Ystmark, managing director of Seafood Norway, states that the industry is impatient.

Exemption from Norwegian Labor Laws: Tata Consulting Services (TCS), responding to an inquiry from the Labor Inspector, stated that Norwegian laws should not apply to Indian IT workers, residing onshore for short-term business trips. (If that sounds familiar, there is already a precedent from the US almost ten years ago.) Tata further argues that the workers are really employed in India, visiting Norway for a maximum of four to five months.

After the Vipps scandal at DnB (The Norwegian Bank) last year, involving the development of a now popular payment app, the labor directorate decisively denied the request. Against the hallmark Norwegian labor laws, the workers were putting in almost 16 hours per day to complete the project. I personally heard rumors, talking to TCS guys on the metro in Oslo, that they were not allowed to leave the office without their manager’s permission, even for a bathroom break or a movie over te weekend.


NRK (Translated from Norwegian)

Despite the reprimand, given to Tata, ordering them to correct the situation, Lise Raneberg of the Tekna engineering union, believes that they will exploit loopholes to circumvent the law. Nevertheless, Rina Sunder, from Innovation Forum Norway, believes, “Norway should meet India’s demand for easier access for IT workers.”

Premise:

The initial justification behind outsourcing and offshoring is that there is a skilled labor shortage in software and systems engineering. Generally technical, medical and engineering sectors experience shortages, requiring companies to hire offshore workers or companies, on contract, to fill the void. However, companies quickly realized that they could also save money, paying foreign workers much less than their domestic counterparts.

Mechanisms:

There are two models:

  • Outsourcing: sending work to another company, working under contract, to deliver a service. This can be both done within the domestic market like having a local consultant teach a course or do a short term project.
  • Offshoring: sending the work abroad either within your own company or outsourcing it to another company.

Offshoring and outsourcing even became a business goal with many companies, in and out of the sector. Target “offshore/onshore” ratios, vary from 40%-60%. In both cases, on location business trips or extended assignments may be required to complete work, allowing them systems access that they could not reach offsite. Often it becomes difficult to distinguish between an extended assignment, covered under local labor laws, and business trips, which are often extended or repeated in close succession. (Business trip visas can repeatedly be extended, or the laborer returns home every couple of months for a week or two before returning on a new visa.) They can even rotate people on and offshore, ducking the laws.

(Next – Part II: The Workers Perspective)

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Jus7tme's picture

As they say. the fish rots from the head and down.

Mediocritas's picture

The common argument that there is a shortage of skilled workers in field X, therefore we must loosen up visas and import them, is so often a load of bullshit where what is ACTUALLY meant is: "there is a shortage of skilled workers at the (low) price we want to pay". Pay enough and the "shortage" vanishes.

BorisTheBlade's picture

And that's how quality/no social obligations labor pool wins the competition.

Ghordius's picture

+1 Mediocritas

meanwhile, the article starts in the "teaser" with "Norway desperate to sell more fish"

is there anybody that takes this seriously? Norway? desperate? yeah, sure

GreatUncle's picture

I thought it was Norway that was also feeling the brunt of the fall in oil prices.

If you built an economy on $80+ barrels of oil, you are hurting right now and if I remember right they were starting to dip into their reserves.

At that point sell fish? Sell everything.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35318236

Ghordius's picture

with the small difference that Norway set up a sovereign fund to catch up those "windfall profits"

hardly "an economy built on oil at $80", imho

compare with the "Dutch Disease" of old, and you'll see that Norway took up that lesson, and took steps to mitigate that effect

ThirdWorldDude's picture

Yeah, right. It just shows that you haven't got a crippled clue about Norway.

The smartest thing they ever did was establishing the wealth fund, but Norwegians don't have any other tricks (except perhaps robbing the gullible customers who choose the overpriced "wild" salmon farmed in some distant fjord).

Also, thanks to the law of diminishing marginal returns and depletion of the North Sea oil fields, throwing more money at the oil industry has resulted in a very modest increase in production (around 5 % ROI).

Norway reached its peak oil moment some 10-15 years ago and nowadays it's all downhill. In case you missed it, last year Norway made their first ever withdrawal from the SWF and by now it should be pretty clear to anyone that Norway will not only try to sell as much fish as they can to maintain the revenue inflow, but pretty soon they'll start auctioning off their own country (and the kitchen sink).

Or, as the old Jewish proverb warned: May you have much and then lose it all!

peddling-fiction's picture

"May you have much and then lose it all!"

..to us. Rinse and repeat.

Ghordius's picture

I did read the linked article, but still fail to read there what you are talking about here

SoDamnMad's picture

Do you really think the Indians can afford the Norwegian fish when they have access to fish factory boats that lock the workers up for long cruises, having them work ungodly hours AND pay shitty wages?  No one is supporting the human rights of these workers. Companies are merely brokers who buy the fish blocks at a cheap price and ask the companies if they are adhereing to UN labor rules. "Yes, we dooody do comply with UN rules."   Fine

adeptish's picture

Why does it always sound like someone is trying to sell something?

land_of_the_few's picture

If they would stop antagonising Russia, they could quadruple their fish exports just by using wheelbarrows :P

Cruel Joke's picture

Salmon export to russia was big business her until the sanctions. Our Minister of Foreign Affairs, Børge Brende - is a known russophobe, a norwegian neocon. He was ready to go to war with russia over crimea, at the same time israel killed over 2000 palestinians - not so worried about that ...

idiot!

Kirk2NCC1701's picture

But some (e.g. HRC) rot from both ends: top and bottom.

CuttingEdge's picture

Wrong, Kirk.

HRC rots from her black evil heart out in all directions.

gespiri's picture

Great!!......f it wants its demographic to look like England (throw in the Pakis in there too).

Why not invest the money and train its current population to be as competent as the Indians?

Arnold's picture

There is a shortage of shovel handling labor at the price the MBA s like.

youngman's picture

Because their youth are to busy traveling around the world on their very generous social programs....6 months sick pay is one......and the funny part of this article is the tariff on the imported fish...so much for free trade....is that not what Donald Trump is asking for....and the Chinese ruler saying he is against protectionism...but you cant import into his country without a tax or tarriff...lol....and that he is not devalueing the Yuan...man can they liie....

WTFUD's picture

This should add 0.005% points to Norway's GDP but enable the Norwegian Company to increase Management Bonuses! Unemployment will rise. win/win sarc

How's that Sovereign Wealth Fund holding up for Norway? Heard they were going through it faster than the Saudi's theirs.

Jubal Early's picture

These cunts running the scandanavian countries are witches.  They have castrated the vikings and now we have a culture of brainless war mongering blond witches threatening the rest of Europe with their love of chocolate cock.

Dr. Bonzo's picture

Self-loathing white people need to be encouraged to commit suicide. They've all weaseled themselves into positions of power and are rushing us headlong into permanent extinction. With a population of barely 5 million, Norway is already on the Endangered Humans list. Fucking retards have invited in nearly 1 million migrants. That's already a whopping 1 in 5.

Where do all the self-loathing white people come from? WTF????????

India could belch and shit more Indians into Norway in a day than Norway could process in a millenium.

Unfucking real......

brooklinite8's picture

I am better off with Indian immigrants than the immigrants from Syria, Libya, Iran, Iraq... 

waspwench's picture

How about immigrants from China, Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Japan (they would be smarter too?) In fact immigrants from just about anywhere other than moslem countries or Africa
Chinese and SE Asians are very get along/go along people who are willing to work hard and integrate as necessary. If the west needs bodies - which I think we do not - then that is where we should be recruiting.

I am very interested to know why our dear leaders ignore this commendable source of labour and insist in bringing in a lot of incompatibles and third world trash.

dark pools of soros's picture

They 'work' 16 hour days since they are fucking dumb as monkeys typing code.. they never finish anything and break things 3 times for anything they fix.  But since most managers are complete tools themselves, all a dothead has to do is mumble some tech jargon and excuses and they keep on 'working'

 

 

 

Vinividivinci's picture

ALL political decisions being made nowadays fit the same M.O...
Good in the short term, shit in the long run.
Come to think of it, that pretty much describes the majority
of policial careers these days.

BarkingCat's picture

So Norwegians have no brains.

yellowsub's picture

They have fish for brains.

Last of the Middle Class's picture

Nothing like having each and every trade deal authorized by the government. I'm sure it's all on the up and up.  LMFAO!!

ZeroPoint's picture

Lovely. Talented Norwegian IT workers will be replaced with the bottom of the IT barrel, and the fishing industry and the politicians pad their bottom lines. 

delmar Jackson's picture

Companies ruined or almost ruined by imported Indian labor

 

Adaptec - Indian CEO Subramanian Sundaresh fired.

 

AIG (signed outsourcing deal in 2007 in Europe with Accenture Indian frauds, collapsed in 2009)

 

AirBus (Qantas plane plunged 650 feet injuring passengers when its computer system written by India disengaged the auto-pilot).

 

Apple - R&D CLOSED in India in 2006.

 

Australia's National Australia Bank (Outsourced jobs to India in 2007, nationwide ATM and account failure in late 2010).

 

Bell Labs (Arun Netravalli took over, closed, turned into a shopping mall)

 

Boeing Dreamliner ES software (written by HCL, banned by FAA)

 

Bristol-Myers-Squibb (Trade Secrets and documents stolen in U.S. by Indian national guest worker)

 

Caymas - Startup run by Indian CEO, French director of dev, Chinese tech

 lead. Closed after 5 years of sucking VC out of America.

 

Caterpillar misses earnings a mere 4 months after outsourcing to India, Inc.

 

Circuit City - Outsourced all IT to Indian-run IBM and went bankrupt shortly thereafter.

 

ComAir crew system run by 100% Indian IT workers caused the 12/25/05 

U.S. airport shutdown when they used a short int instead of a long int

 

Computer Associates - Former CEO Sanjay Kumar, an Indian national, sentenced to 12 years in federal prison for accounting fraud.

 

Deloitte - 2010 - this Indian-packed consulting company is being sued 

under RICO fraud charges by Marin Country, California for a failed 

solution.

 

Dell - call center (closed in India)

 

Delta call centers (closed in India)

 

Fannie Mae - Hired large numbers of Indians, had to be bailed out. Indian logic bomb creator found guilty and sent to prison.

 

GM - Was booming in 2006, signed $300 million outsourcing deal with Wipro that same year, went bankrupt 3 years later

 

HP - Got out of the PC hardware business in 2011 and can't compete with 

Apple's tablets. HP was taken over by Indians and Chinese in 2001. So 

much for 'Asian' talent!

 

HSBC ATMs (software taken over by Indians, failed in 2006)

 

Intel Whitefield processor project (cancelled, Indian staff canned)

 

JetStar Airways computer failure brings down Christchurch airport on 

9/17/11. JetStar is owned by Quantas - which is know to have outsourced 

to India, Inc.

 

Lehman (Spectramind software bought by Wipro, ruined, trashed by Indian programmers)

 

Medicare - Defrauded by Indian national doctor Arun Sharma & wife in the U.S.

 

Microsoft - Employs over 35,000 H-1Bs. Stock used to be $100. Today it's lucky to be over $25. Not to mention that Vista thing.

 

MIT Media Lab Asia (canceled)

 

MyNines - A startup founded and run by Indian national Apar Kothari went

 belly up after throwing millions of America's VC $ down the drain.

 

PeopleSoft (Taken over by Indians in 2000, collapsed).

 

PepsiCo - Slides from #1 to #3 during Indian CEO Indra Nooyi' watch.

 

Polycom - Former senior executive Sunil Bhalla charged with insider trading.

 

Qantas - See AirBus above

 

Quark (Alukah Kamar CEO, fired, lost 60% of its customers to Adobe because Indian-written QuarkExpress 6 was a failure)

 

Rolls Royce (Sent aircraft engine work to India in 2006, engines delayed

 for Boeing 787, and failed on at least 2 Quantas planes in 2010, cost 

Rolls $500m).

 

SAP - Same as Deloitte above in 2010.

 

Singapore airlines (IT functions taken over in 2009 by TCS, website trashed in August, 2011)

 

Skype (Madhu Yarlagadda fired)

 

State of Indiana $867 million FAILED IBM project, IBM being sued

 

State of Texas failed IBM project.

 

Sun Micro (Taken over by Indian and Chinese workers in 2001, collapsed, had to be sold off to Oracle).

 

UK's NHS outsourced numerous jobs including health records to India in mid-2000 resulting in $26 billion over budget.

 

Union Bank of California - Cancelled Finacle project run by India's InfoSys in 2011.

 

United - call center (closed in India)

 

Victorian Order of Nurses, Canada (Payroll system screwed up by SAP/IBM in mid-2011)

 

Virgin Atlantic (software written in India caused cloud IT failure)

 

World Bank (Indian fraudsters BANNED for 3 years because they stole data).

Hope Copy's picture

I've read the articles and talked to people in IT.  I couldn't have said this better.    I will add, better have all the debuggers at home at the very least.

Rey dTutto's picture

The software Testers need to be local.

GraveDancer's picture

Trump supporters are not known for their high IQ, EQ, or any other Q!

Tachyon5321's picture

According to PEW, Trump supporter are better educated than Hillary supporters.

Also according to PEW, Democrats think they know more than they actual do. When tested about science, Republicans outscored democrats and independents by more than 10%.

So the only grave you are dancing on is your own. 

GraveDancer's picture

Who said Hillary supporters are a benchmark?!!

JustPastPeacefield's picture

Trump may, or may not, decide to take on this outrage against the American middle class, but if he ever does start the tweets - plenty of companies will be shitting their pants. Those stock options won't be worth quite as much when they have to start paying fair wages.

yellowsub's picture

He's saving and creating blue collar jobs.  White collar workers are left to fend for themselves since they are not organized or as vocal.

 

finprof777's picture

"

This is the most ludicrous and racist post I have ever seen in my life. Let us go point by point to debunk this nonsense –

1. Adaptec – This CEO is bullshit I agree but it is an absolute one off. US has many successful Indian CEOs that is why Indians become CEOs. You think a corporate shareholder will risk placing Indians who are incompetent as CEOs..? List of amazing Indian CEOs – Satya Nadella, Microsoft; Shantanu Narayan – Adobe; Laxmi Nival Mittal – AccelorMittal; Deutsche Bank – Anshu Jain; Nokia – Rajiv Suri, PepsiCo – Indra Nooyi etc. etc. All still running successfully

2. AIG – What bullshit is this..? AIG is an insurance company which collapsed after the 2007-08 Global Recession. Now dont blame Global Recession on Indians because it was you Americans who went on a borrowing & spending frenzy which Banks took advantage of and gave sub-prime loans and the whole thing collapsed. Try blaming Jews & see how AIPAC and Anti-Semitic critics hound you.

3. Airbus – 7 Other Airbus A330’s crashed killing dozens none relating to the software failures, try blaming yourselves for such a stupid record. The Qantas Flight 72 crashed because of a faulty NORTHROP GRUMMAN made ADIRU not because of faulty software

4. Apple R&D – closed down because stingy Steve Jobs refused to pay high pay. Obviously there is a demand for high pay. This is R&D not China where low pay is fair because majority of the workforce is comprised of factory workers who by the way complained low pay wages and many even committed suicide in those sweat shops due to work pressure

5. National Australian Bank – Crash happened because system was not updated. So much for the nonsense going around in the internet

6. Bell Labs – Bell Labs spin-off took place many years before Arun Netravalli took over as President and was not even related to decision making process. Bell Labs was spun off many times before in the 80s & 90s also.

Mind you Netravalli is no ordinary fellow. He is the Pioneer & Father of HD Technology and has been a head of very Technology demanding departments and that is the reason why he was made the President of Bell Labs

Since he took over as the President many ground-breaking technologies relating to DNA Machines, Computer Technology (mainly transistors) & Laser Technology were developed. He was the President only for 2 years yet the accomplishments skyrocketed. Even today Bell Labs is running one of the most successful labs and has not shut down as the daft author claims

7. Boeing Dreamliner – The software for one of Boeing Dreamliners components was written by HCL but according to specifications, one was written by another company which was actually the Prime Contractor this time without HCL and even that was rejected by FAA. This means specifications are wrong so what can HCL do for that..? HCL was given Gold Performance Rating by Boeing, you think Boeing will give that for fun..?

8. Bristol Myers-Squibb – Yes there was a person who tried to steal trade secrets and he was imprisoned, you cant completely paint a community which fills up most of the High wage jobs of US as thieves because of one man. Did all Indian Americans all of whom work in top jobs steal..? It is because of their faithfulness that they are becoming CEOs are Heads of Very High Tech Demanding R&D Departments of all Companies

9. Caymas – It was a legendary company, that is why it was bought and its workforce taken over even though it was suffering losses, Why you may ask, here is why – Caymas started out its business with a network-access offering, then switched to SSL VPNs based on the same platform when that technology became popular. More recently it switched back to NAC after other companies had already caught that wave. Caymas was ranked as “visionary” by Gartner. Because of it sheer skill it didn’t go bankrupt like other companies.

10. Caterpillar – This is sheer nonsense. Caterpillar missed its record earnings target it set, so this becomes an issue to nitpick on Indians. What sort of bullshit is this. Why doesn’t the author also say Caterpillar even today is No.1 because it increased its outsourcing. No for that the author will say CAT it is No.1 because somehow outsourcing had no role to play in Caterpillar becoming No.1 in its industry

11. Circuit City – Another Bullshit Mypoic statement, Circuit City was a retailing company. All the while the daft author said Indian CEOs & Presidents were to blame for companies to go bankrupt (which I debunked resoundingly) why doesn’t he blame American CEOs who ran this company to the ground because of its bullshit business policy..? City Circuit gave a contract to IBM to maintain/make its website & computer systems all of which worked flawlessly till the company shut down. Saying City Circuit shut down because it outsourced to IBM is like saying US Army Yanks lost Vietnam War because it outsourced its guns manufacturing to Germany

12. ComAir – Pure nonsense. Like the bloody author has every single document of all workers employed in some airport which he doesn’t even mention. The failure he is referring to is probably one of many which happened at ComAir airport hub because they refused to pay money for system upgrades when the IT dept. constantly forced them to upgrade. Blame American CEO & then paint Americans as incapable please will you

13. Computer Associates – Should I start naming all European, American, Chinese CEO’s who have been charged for accounting frauds and paint the whole country as fraudsters. The list is really big you know.

14. Deloitte – The Marin County judge literally tossed the claims out of the window. He actually did do it, anyone who doubts it can go and check it up in Google. The petition was dismissed. So the neat trick of blaming Indians has been resoundingly debunked as usual

15. Dell & 16. Delta – Poor managing from the company’s part led to shut down, again the futile attempt to blame Indians fails as still India is the largest and most successful hub of call centres and it is still growing

17. Fannie Mae – Roger Duronio, Douglas Duchak; Two Americans who planted logic bombs so now I can by the authors logic paint Americans as crooks

18. GM – This company when bankrupt because of 2007-08 recession which is well documented, not because it outsourced some small component to Wipro. Major car companies all across the World went bankrupt like GM, because the COW-BOYS who run were UTTERLY INCOMPETENT of managing the company blame some very small component outsourced to Indians as the reason for their doom. No wonder why US stopped producing brains of its own. An tied up with Volkswagen how come it didn’t crash..? Proves US is shit and cant do anything and somehow they blame Indians for their usual incompetence.

19. HP – Nonsense. HP is still one of the largest hardware PC manufacturers in the world. Since in your biased mindset unwittingly blamed Indians for failure of HP & it has been debunked now your argument can be used to say Indians are the reason why HP is one of the largest PC manufacturers in the world. Oh by the way HP sacked an American businessman for not being good enough, so much for your shit brains and accusations which now is coming back at you

20. HSBC – No body even knows whether it was a software crash or something else because it is well kept secret. Typical Yanks style of blaming others for their abject failure in doing things themselves. By the way HSBC’s mainframe is made by Europeans not Indians

21. Intel – Some project in Intel is cancelled and the shitty author shouts from the rooftops then why doesn’t he credit Indians for – Pentium Processor, Xeon Processor, i-series processor which were all designed by Indians. Those who dont believe me can check it up for yourselves

22. JetStar – Computer Failure happens in airports all across the world, Christchurch one was just less than hours others are for many more. So now I can blame US/Europeans for producing cheap quality programmers wherever computer failures happened in airports using cow-boy made computer systems

23. Spectramind Software – Still works fine, I dont know from where this idiot says it has been trashed by Indians

24. Medicare – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_fraud, list shows mainly Americans, so now Americans are official fraudsters

25. Microsoft – Every company’s stock crashed thanks to great managing of American economy which caused 2007-08 financial crash. Just because the author is an idiot who doesn’t like Vista who the hell cares. Since now he mentioned Microsoft is filled with Indians I think Indians must be credited for Microsoft being the largest and greatest IT company and still going strong today with its great services and software – like Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 95, Windows 98. Go India

26. MIT – Media Lab ASIA, how is Asia = India? I am sure the author failed 1st Grade Geography exam

27. MyNines – Such a great start-up which was sunk by shit Americans who couldn’t manage their economy which collapsed completely in 2007-08

28. PeopleSoft – Indians took over in 2000 and its popularity sky-rocketed so much Oracle wanted to take it over forcefully after its offer for take over for any quoted price. Today Oracle is the proud owner of PeopleSoft

29. PepsiCo – #1 to #3, WOW what a drop. LOL, 2013 PepsiCo topped the Charts once more, so now author will have to thank Indra Nooyi for it.

30. Polycom – If I post the no. of yanks charged with Insider trading the system will crash

31. Qantas – Yes as the author says, go above in my post and see the Airbus section where I have debunked him & his claims thoroughly

32. Quark – This reject author doesn’t even know the spelling of QuarkXpress and yet he makes tall claims. QuarkXpress failed says who the reject author..? You think his claims are genuine after all he has not blamed one American CEO till now for their abject failures which drowned all companies they worked in like they were some bad omens

33. Rolls Royce – Boeing is an American company which has failed and cant keep up with Airbus, its abject failure due to filling up of Yank Cow-boys in its company is the sole reason. Indian company which made the component of Rolls Royce was NOT the one which failed, it was an American component go check it up

34. SAP – Yes, see above in my posts like the author says – see how the Judge threw the suite against SAP was thrown out

35. Singapore Airlines – TCS doesn’t maintain its website, nice trick by the author. SIA extended TCS for its awesome service. I mention again TCS doesn’t maintain SIA’s website

36. Skype – Madhu was fired so what..? Every other day a cow-boy is fired from the Top Job. Madhu occupied many major posts in Yahoo mind you. His career was sabotaged

37. State of Indiana – Suit Cancelled. So much for the authors attempts to run down IBM which is successfully running with Indians employees

38. State of Texas – IBM contract cancelled and was given to Indian dominated companies Capegemini & Xerox which was successful

39. Sun Microsystems – Was a really successful company and was thus was taken over by Oracle for a huge price. No company takes over a useless company by paying so much cash. The author doesn’t like Sun Microsystems so it doesn’t mean it is not good. The author must be a sore guy who lost his job for sheer incompetence and now he blames all companies which rejected his application for a job after he was fired. What a spoilt sport, my message to him – this wont give you a job you jobless idiot

40. NHS – Systems are now up and running well. All outsourced jobs & productives have worked without a single problem till date. Author caught with his pants down

41. Union Bank of California – Fincle contract was cancelled because Union wanted a different type of system for different type of customers and they have said it themselves. Fincle worked flawlessly for them and still runs on 100s of Banks across the world which the author will never talk about

42. United – Call centre closed because it couldn’t compete with established competition. What a shame for cow-boy CEOs

43. Victorian Order of Nurses – System problems which are minor like this happen everywhere, the system was fixed very fast, the author will never mention the same

44. Virigin Atlantic – IT failure was due to shit maintainance not design failure. Cow-boys cant even maintain stuff nowadays. Wonder what they are useful for..?

45. World Bank – Cow-boy fraudsters banned by World Bank are also in plenty, should I name them..? It wont be very rosy if I do.

With this I conclude that Indians cannot be blamed for anything. Outsourcing will happen to India because the companies know we produce high-quality stuff. No corporate company will outsource here and continue to outsource here if it isn’t worth the buck. These guys know the business, they know Indians are the best. Some cow-boy kicked out of his job because he lacks IQ or perception who is still cribbing about losing his job to Indians wont change reality. The author is confused what to blame – Indians/Indians born in America/Outsourcing, he doesn’t even know what is the difference between India/Asia. Indians are so well represented in Americas success that Indian Americans who are failures are only 1-5% at max. Outsourcing is increasing and no stupid internet post can stop it."

finprof777's picture

"

This is the most ludicrous and racist post I have ever seen in my life. Let us go point by point to debunk this nonsense –

1. Adaptec – This CEO is bullshit I agree but it is an absolute one off. US has many successful Indian CEOs that is why Indians become CEOs. You think a corporate shareholder will risk placing Indians who are incompetent as CEOs..? List of amazing Indian CEOs – Satya Nadella, Microsoft; Shantanu Narayan – Adobe; Laxmi Nival Mittal – AccelorMittal; Deutsche Bank – Anshu Jain; Nokia – Rajiv Suri, PepsiCo – Indra Nooyi etc. etc. All still running successfully

2. AIG – What bullshit is this..? AIG is an insurance company which collapsed after the 2007-08 Global Recession. Now dont blame Global Recession on Indians because it was you Americans who went on a borrowing & spending frenzy which Banks took advantage of and gave sub-prime loans and the whole thing collapsed. Try blaming Jews & see how AIPAC and Anti-Semitic critics hound you.

3. Airbus – 7 Other Airbus A330’s crashed killing dozens none relating to the software failures, try blaming yourselves for such a stupid record. The Qantas Flight 72 crashed because of a faulty NORTHROP GRUMMAN made ADIRU not because of faulty software

4. Apple R&D – closed down because stingy Steve Jobs refused to pay high pay. Obviously there is a demand for high pay. This is R&D not China where low pay is fair because majority of the workforce is comprised of factory workers who by the way complained low pay wages and many even committed suicide in those sweat shops due to work pressure

5. National Australian Bank – Crash happened because system was not updated. So much for the nonsense going around in the internet

6. Bell Labs – Bell Labs spin-off took place many years before Arun Netravalli took over as President and was not even related to decision making process. Bell Labs was spun off many times before in the 80s & 90s also.

Mind you Netravalli is no ordinary fellow. He is the Pioneer & Father of HD Technology and has been a head of very Technology demanding departments and that is the reason why he was made the President of Bell Labs

Since he took over as the President many ground-breaking technologies relating to DNA Machines, Computer Technology (mainly transistors) & Laser Technology were developed. He was the President only for 2 years yet the accomplishments skyrocketed. Even today Bell Labs is running one of the most successful labs and has not shut down as the daft author claims

7. Boeing Dreamliner – The software for one of Boeing Dreamliners components was written by HCL but according to specifications, one was written by another company which was actually the Prime Contractor this time without HCL and even that was rejected by FAA. This means specifications are wrong so what can HCL do for that..? HCL was given Gold Performance Rating by Boeing, you think Boeing will give that for fun..?

8. Bristol Myers-Squibb – Yes there was a person who tried to steal trade secrets and he was imprisoned, you cant completely paint a community which fills up most of the High wage jobs of US as thieves because of one man. Did all Indian Americans all of whom work in top jobs steal..? It is because of their faithfulness that they are becoming CEOs are Heads of Very High Tech Demanding R&D Departments of all Companies

9. Caymas – It was a legendary company, that is why it was bought and its workforce taken over even though it was suffering losses, Why you may ask, here is why – Caymas started out its business with a network-access offering, then switched to SSL VPNs based on the same platform when that technology became popular. More recently it switched back to NAC after other companies had already caught that wave. Caymas was ranked as “visionary” by Gartner. Because of it sheer skill it didn’t go bankrupt like other companies.

10. Caterpillar – This is sheer nonsense. Caterpillar missed its record earnings target it set, so this becomes an issue to nitpick on Indians. What sort of bullshit is this. Why doesn’t the author also say Caterpillar even today is No.1 because it increased its outsourcing. No for that the author will say CAT it is No.1 because somehow outsourcing had no role to play in Caterpillar becoming No.1 in its industry

11. Circuit City – Another Bullshit Mypoic statement, Circuit City was a retailing company. All the while the daft author said Indian CEOs & Presidents were to blame for companies to go bankrupt (which I debunked resoundingly) why doesn’t he blame American CEOs who ran this company to the ground because of its bullshit business policy..? City Circuit gave a contract to IBM to maintain/make its website & computer systems all of which worked flawlessly till the company shut down. Saying City Circuit shut down because it outsourced to IBM is like saying US Army Yanks lost Vietnam War because it outsourced its guns manufacturing to Germany

12. ComAir – Pure nonsense. Like the bloody author has every single document of all workers employed in some airport which he doesn’t even mention. The failure he is referring to is probably one of many which happened at ComAir airport hub because they refused to pay money for system upgrades when the IT dept. constantly forced them to upgrade. Blame American CEO & then paint Americans as incapable please will you

13. Computer Associates – Should I start naming all European, American, Chinese CEO’s who have been charged for accounting frauds and paint the whole country as fraudsters. The list is really big you know.

14. Deloitte – The Marin County judge literally tossed the claims out of the window. He actually did do it, anyone who doubts it can go and check it up in Google. The petition was dismissed. So the neat trick of blaming Indians has been resoundingly debunked as usual

15. Dell & 16. Delta – Poor managing from the company’s part led to shut down, again the futile attempt to blame Indians fails as still India is the largest and most successful hub of call centres and it is still growing

17. Fannie Mae – Roger Duronio, Douglas Duchak; Two Americans who planted logic bombs so now I can by the authors logic paint Americans as crooks

18. GM – This company when bankrupt because of 2007-08 recession which is well documented, not because it outsourced some small component to Wipro. Major car companies all across the World went bankrupt like GM, because the COW-BOYS who run were UTTERLY INCOMPETENT of managing the company blame some very small component outsourced to Indians as the reason for their doom. No wonder why US stopped producing brains of its own. An tied up with Volkswagen how come it didn’t crash..? Proves US is shit and cant do anything and somehow they blame Indians for their usual incompetence.

19. HP – Nonsense. HP is still one of the largest hardware PC manufacturers in the world. Since in your biased mindset unwittingly blamed Indians for failure of HP & it has been debunked now your argument can be used to say Indians are the reason why HP is one of the largest PC manufacturers in the world. Oh by the way HP sacked an American businessman for not being good enough, so much for your shit brains and accusations which now is coming back at you

20. HSBC – No body even knows whether it was a software crash or something else because it is well kept secret. Typical Yanks style of blaming others for their abject failure in doing things themselves. By the way HSBC’s mainframe is made by Europeans not Indians

21. Intel – Some project in Intel is cancelled and the shitty author shouts from the rooftops then why doesn’t he credit Indians for – Pentium Processor, Xeon Processor, i-series processor which were all designed by Indians. Those who dont believe me can check it up for yourselves

22. JetStar – Computer Failure happens in airports all across the world, Christchurch one was just less than hours others are for many more. So now I can blame US/Europeans for producing cheap quality programmers wherever computer failures happened in airports using cow-boy made computer systems

23. Spectramind Software – Still works fine, I dont know from where this idiot says it has been trashed by Indians

24. Medicare – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_fraud, list shows mainly Americans, so now Americans are official fraudsters

25. Microsoft – Every company’s stock crashed thanks to great managing of American economy which caused 2007-08 financial crash. Just because the author is an idiot who doesn’t like Vista who the hell cares. Since now he mentioned Microsoft is filled with Indians I think Indians must be credited for Microsoft being the largest and greatest IT company and still going strong today with its great services and software – like Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 95, Windows 98. Go India

26. MIT – Media Lab ASIA, how is Asia = India? I am sure the author failed 1st Grade Geography exam

27. MyNines – Such a great start-up which was sunk by shit Americans who couldn’t manage their economy which collapsed completely in 2007-08

28. PeopleSoft – Indians took over in 2000 and its popularity sky-rocketed so much Oracle wanted to take it over forcefully after its offer for take over for any quoted price. Today Oracle is the proud owner of PeopleSoft

29. PepsiCo – #1 to #3, WOW what a drop. LOL, 2013 PepsiCo topped the Charts once more, so now author will have to thank Indra Nooyi for it.

30. Polycom – If I post the no. of yanks charged with Insider trading the system will crash

31. Qantas – Yes as the author says, go above in my post and see the Airbus section where I have debunked him & his claims thoroughly

32. Quark – This reject author doesn’t even know the spelling of QuarkXpress and yet he makes tall claims. QuarkXpress failed says who the reject author..? You think his claims are genuine after all he has not blamed one American CEO till now for their abject failures which drowned all companies they worked in like they were some bad omens

33. Rolls Royce – Boeing is an American company which has failed and cant keep up with Airbus, its abject failure due to filling up of Yank Cow-boys in its company is the sole reason. Indian company which made the component of Rolls Royce was NOT the one which failed, it was an American component go check it up

34. SAP – Yes, see above in my posts like the author says – see how the Judge threw the suite against SAP was thrown out

35. Singapore Airlines – TCS doesn’t maintain its website, nice trick by the author. SIA extended TCS for its awesome service. I mention again TCS doesn’t maintain SIA’s website

36. Skype – Madhu was fired so what..? Every other day a cow-boy is fired from the Top Job. Madhu occupied many major posts in Yahoo mind you. His career was sabotaged

37. State of Indiana – Suit Cancelled. So much for the authors attempts to run down IBM which is successfully running with Indians employees

38. State of Texas – IBM contract cancelled and was given to Indian dominated companies Capegemini & Xerox which was successful

39. Sun Microsystems – Was a really successful company and was thus was taken over by Oracle for a huge price. No company takes over a useless company by paying so much cash. The author doesn’t like Sun Microsystems so it doesn’t mean it is not good. The author must be a sore guy who lost his job for sheer incompetence and now he blames all companies which rejected his application for a job after he was fired. What a spoilt sport, my message to him – this wont give you a job you jobless idiot

40. NHS – Systems are now up and running well. All outsourced jobs & productives have worked without a single problem till date. Author caught with his pants down

41. Union Bank of California – Fincle contract was cancelled because Union wanted a different type of system for different type of customers and they have said it themselves. Fincle worked flawlessly for them and still runs on 100s of Banks across the world which the author will never talk about

42. United – Call centre closed because it couldn’t compete with established competition. What a shame for cow-boy CEOs

43. Victorian Order of Nurses – System problems which are minor like this happen everywhere, the system was fixed very fast, the author will never mention the same

44. Virigin Atlantic – IT failure was due to shit maintainance not design failure. Cow-boys cant even maintain stuff nowadays. Wonder what they are useful for..?

45. World Bank – Cow-boy fraudsters banned by World Bank are also in plenty, should I name them..? It wont be very rosy if I do.

With this I conclude that Indians cannot be blamed for anything. Outsourcing will happen to India because the companies know we produce high-quality stuff. No corporate company will outsource here and continue to outsource here if it isn’t worth the buck. These guys know the business, they know Indians are the best. Some cow-boy kicked out of his job because he lacks IQ or perception who is still cribbing about losing his job to Indians wont change reality. The author is confused what to blame – Indians/Indians born in America/Outsourcing, he doesn’t even know what is the difference between India/Asia. Indians are so well represented in Americas success that Indian Americans who are failures are only 1-5% at max. Outsourcing is increasing and no stupid internet post can stop it."

Dr Ongo's picture

Queensland health computer upgrade a few years ago was a disaster, I am guessing them indian scallywags were probably involved in that.

waspwench's picture

That is very interesting snd should be given a lot more publicity.

Dark Daze's picture
Dark Daze (not verified) Jan 17, 2017 9:20 AM

This is just fucking crazy. Norway is one of the very few countries in the world that still has over 800 billion in the bank, and they are 'desperate to sell fish'? Norway, due to it's position in the globe, is one of the last places on earth where you can get fish that isn't contaminated, ergo, there must be a hell of a lot of demand for it.

So I don't believe the story for a second, and, what the hell is the point of allowing offshore Indians to be exempt from wage and labor laws? That will only continue the inequality that the Norweigans experience because you simply can NOT compete with workers who earn 20 US dollars a day back in India, and still like live kings/queens.

The fact that this story was floated in ZH, simply reconfirms to me that it is a zio organization in reality.

Aside from poisoning the land, poisoning the food, poisoning the air and bringing us right to the edge of global nuclear war, what has your friendly neighborhood zio done for you lately. THEY ARE THE PROBLEM, so here's an idea. Send 5 million Germans to Israel and let them 'work it out'.

yngso's picture

The Chinese have the Pacific ocean next door and India a huuuge one between it and the South Pole. This isn't about importing fish, but exporting the engineers tha Chindia is producing at a frightening rate. Also, Telenor needs market access.