Does A Rogue Deep State Have Trump's Back?

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Submitted by Charles Hugh-Smith via OfTwoMinds blog,

Rather than being the bad guys, as per the usual Liberal world-view, the Armed Forces may well play a key role in reducing the utterly toxic influence of neocon-neoliberals within the Deep State.

Suddenly everybody is referring to the Deep State, typically without offering much of a definition.

The general definition is the unelected government that continues making and implementing policy regardless of who is in elected office.

I have been writing about this structure for 10 years and studying it from the outside for 40 years. Back in 2007, I called it the Elite Maintaining and Extending Global Dominance, which is a more concise description of the structure than Deep State. Going to War with the Political Elite You Have (May 14, 2007).

I've used this simplified chart to explain the basic structure of the Deep State, which is the complex network of state-funded and/or controlled institutions, agencies, foundations, university research projects, media ties, etc.

The key point here is you can't separate these network nodes: you cannot separate DARPA, the national labs (nukes, energy, etc.), the National Science Foundation, DoD (Department of Defense), the National Security State (alphabet soup of intelligence/black budget agencies: CIA, NSA, DIA, etc.), Silicon Valley and the research universities: they are all tied together by funding, information flows, personnel and a thousand other connections.

For the past few years, I have been suggesting there is a profound split in the Deep State that is not just about power or ideology, but about the nature and future of National Security: in other words, what policies and priorities are actually weakening or threatening the long-term security of the United States?

I have proposed that there are progressive elements within the sprawling Deep State that view the dominant neocon-neoliberal agenda of the past 24 years as a disaster for the long-term security of the U.S. and its global interests (a.k.a. the Imperial Project).

There are also elements within the Deep State that view Wall Street's dominance as a threat to America's security and global interests. (This is not to say that American-based banks and corporations aren't essential parts of the Imperial Project; it's more about the question of who is controlling whom.)

So let's dig in by noting that the warmongers in the Deep State are civilians, not military. It's popular among so-called Liberals (the vast majority of whom did not serve nor do they have offspring in uniform--that's fallen to the disenfranchised and the working class) to see the military as a permanent source of warmongering.

(It's remarkably easy to send other people's children off to war, while your own little darlings have cush jobs in Wall Street, foundations, think tanks, academia, government agencies, etc.)

These misguided souls are ignoring that it's civilians who order the military to go into harm's way, not the other way around. The neocons who have waged permanent war as policy are virtually all civilians, few of whom served in the U.S. armed forces and none of whom (to my knowledge) have actual combat experience.

These civilian neocons were busily sacking and/or discrediting critics of their warmongering within the U.S. military all through the Iraqi debacle. now that we got that straightened out--active-duty service personnel have borne the brunt of civilian planned, ordered and executed warmongering--let's move on to the split between the civilian Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the DoD (Department of Defense) intelligence and special ops agencies: DIA, Army Intelligence, Navy Intelligence, etc.

Though we have to be careful not to paint a very large agency with one brush, it's fair to say that the civilian leadership of the CIA (and of its proxies and crony agencies) has long loved to "play army". The CIA has its own drone (a.k.a. Murder, Inc.) division, as well as its own special ops ("play army" Special Forces), and a hawkish mentality that civilians reckon is "play army special forces" (mostly from films, in which the CIA's role is carefully managed by the CIA itself: How the CIA Hoodwinked Hollywood (The Atlantic)

Meanwhile, it's not exactly a secret that when it comes to actual combat operations and warfighting, the CIA's in-theater intelligence is either useless, misleading or false. This is the result of a number of institutional failings of the CIA, number one of which is the high degree of politicization within its ranks and organizational structure.

The CIA's reliance on "analysis" rather than human agents (there's a lot of acronyms for all these, if you find proliferating acronyms of interest), and while some from-30,000-feet analysis can be useful, it's just as often catastrophically wrong.

We can fruitfully revisit the Bay of Pigs disaster, the result of warmongering civilians in the CIA convincing incoming President Kennedy that the planned invasion would free Cuba of Castro's rule in short order. There are many other examples, including the failure to grasp Saddam's willingness to invade Kuwait, given the mixed signals he was receiving from U.S. State Department personnel.

Simply put, if you are actually prosecuting a war, then you turn to the services' own intelligence agencies to help with actual combat operations, not the CIA. This is of course a sort of gossip, and reading between the lines of public information; nobody is going to state this directly in writing.

As I have noted before:

If you want documented evidence of this split in the Deep State--sorry, it doesn't work that way. Nobody in the higher echelons of the Deep State is going to leak anything about the low-intensity war being waged because the one thing everyone agrees on is the Deep State's dirty laundry must be kept private.

As a result, the split is visible only by carefully reading between the lines, by examining who is being placed in positions of control in the Trump Administration, and reading the tea leaves of who is "retiring" (i.e. being fired) or quitting, which agencies are suddenly being reorganized, and the appearance of dissenting views in journals that serve as public conduits for Deep State narratives.

Many so-called Liberals are alarmed by the number of military officers Trump has appointed. Once you realize it's the neocon civilians who have promoted and led one disastrous military intervention (either with U.S. Armed Forces or proxies managed by the CIA) after another, then you understand Trump's appointments appear to be a decisive break from the civilian warmongers who've run the nation into the ground.

If you doubt this analysis, please consider the unprecedentedly politicized (and pathetically childish) comments by outgoing CIA director Brennan against an incoming president. Even if you can't stand Trump, please document another instance in which the CIA director went off on an incoming president-- and this after the CIA spewed a blatant misinformation campaign claiming a hacked Democratic Party email account constituted a successful Russian effort to influence the U.S. election--a surreal absurdity.

Let me translate for you: our chosen Insider lost the election; how dare you!

A number of observers are wondering if the CIA and its Deep State allies and cronies will work out a way to evict Trump from office or perhaps arrange a "lone gunman" or other "accident" to befall him. The roots of such speculations stretch back to Dallas, November 1963, when a "long gunman" with ties to the CIA and various CIA proxies assassinated President Kennedy, an avowed foe of the CIA.

Setting aside the shelfloads of books on the topic, both those defending the "lone gunman" thesis and those contesting it, the unprecedented extremes of institutionally organized and executed anti-Trump campaigns is worthy of our attention.

Given my thesis of a profound disunity in the Deep State, and the emergence of a progressive element hostile to neocons and neoliberalism (including Wall Street), then it's not much of a stretch to speculate that this rogue Deep State opposed to neocon-neoliberalism has Trump's back, as a new administration is pretty much the only hope to rid the nation's top echelons of the neocon-neoliberal policies that have driven the U.S. into the ground.

Rather than being the bad guys, as per the usual Liberal world-view, the Armed Forces may well play a key role in reducing the utterly toxic influence of neocon-neoliberals within the Deep State.

If you have wondered why academics like Paul Krugman and the CIA are on the same page, it's because they are simply facets of the same structure. Krugman is a vocal neoliberal, the CIA is vocally neocon: two sides of the same coin. I invite you to study the chart above with an open mind, and ponder the possibility that the Deep State is not monolithic, but deeply divided along the fault lines of Wall-Street-Neocons-Neoliberals and the progressive elements that rightly view the dominant neocon-neoliberals as a threat to U.S. national security, U.S. global interests and world peace.

We can speculate that some of these progressive elements view Trump with disdain for all the same reasons those outside the Deep State disdain him, but their decision tree is simple: if you want to rid America's Deep State of toxic neocon-neoliberalism before it destroys the nation, you hold your nose and go with Trump because he's the only hope you have.

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Croesus's picture

Absolutely it does.

The people involved in the Deep State are not 100% loyal to each other, by any means.

There are plenty of good guys in it, who hate what's happening, just as much as any of us do.

ne14truth's picture

There is no chance to weed out all these theives....they wont stand as one, they will rat each other out all day long. Theives have no morals, no code of ethics, no personal repsonsibilty, no concern for others of anykind....theives are the worst kind of human. Completely self centered, not very bright to say the least. I cannot believe we hire all these fools....its not their fault, they are just doing what comes natural...the fault is with the voters, if it is not rigged!

two hoots's picture


Deep State whatever,


“I think” we have several entities that are attempting to control our lives in different ways.  A conundrum of sorts.  Not in any order:


Institutions/advisory groups in DC made up of previous policy makers and elected officials that effect US global policy, they never go away.  Organizers of the NWO playbook to keep elites in control.


Federal Reserve/Central Banks/IMF/BIS/WB.  Trying to manipulate the world through monetary policy.


United Nations. Trying to exist as a global spokesman but failing miserably but members don’t care as they just enjoy the benefits.


Davos Crowd.  Trying to always figure out how to grow their wealth then to keep the world at peace and harmony to protect their own interest and spread their products. 


Rep/Dems.  Not included, can’t get America straight but like to pretend.  We tolerate them.


Religion.  Totally folded.


As long as these groups don’t join together or collaborate we will avoid the brave new world.




OceanX's picture

IMO, many commisioned officers believe in their oath to defend the Constitution:

Escrava Isaura's picture

Charles Hugh-Smith: the Armed Forces may well play a key role in reducing the utterly toxic influence of neocon-neoliberals within the Deep State. 

If wasn’t for neoliberal/state capitalism the army wouldn’t have a pay check. They would have to take by force, you know, messy, meaning, bloody.

The biggest problem for any type of power, army being one of those, it’s the indigenous population when they wake up………And there isn’t enough chicken on the table and gas on the tank.



jeff montanye's picture

neoliberal/state capitalism is, generally, inefficient and corrupting.  basic research, education and infrastructure are where government contributes best to the economy.  oh, that and avoiding totally unnecessary wars and losing them.

and, while we are at it, where in all those interconnected spheres up there is, say, aipac and the likud/mossad international and multigenerational conspiracy to control the u.s. government and media?

as george h.w. bush explained to george w. bush when his son asked him what neo-conservatism was: "israel".

Luc X. Ifer's picture

Hey mooboy, do u realize that state capitalism is communism aka left fascism and that explains the war drums being continous used by the system to justify it's own existence?!

Highly recommended reading for 0hedge ppl

iAmerican3's picture
iAmerican3 (not verified) OceanX Jan 18, 2017 9:55 PM

...usually only below flag rank, which requires blackmailable pedophile homosexuals like David Petraeus, no doubt.

TxExPat's picture

+1.  I grew up in "Fly over" land.  Had a lot of good friends who went with the military, (ROTC => 2nd lt. it's not a bad path).

Most take that oath pretty seriously.  They may not be "Top Dogs" in the Military, but I suspect that a broad swath of the middle/lower ranks actually are more loyal to the "ideal" of America, than the corrupt status quo in DC.  CIA may try another "lone gunman" game, but if they do anything, it will be covert, not overt.  They simply do not have enough popular support for overt action.

balolalo's picture

Eisenhower, warned America that power is concentrating, and warned of influence on politics, warned that elected officials are being used as tools for an insidious and dangerous end.   

JFK didn't want to be a tool, mudered after 1.5 years

LBJ was a tool for 6.5 years

Nixon was a tool, got caught being a twisted tool, resigned after 6.5 years

Ford was a placement tool for 2.5 years

Carter was a tool for 4 years

Reagan was a tool for 8 years

Bush was a tool for 8 years

Clinton was a tool for 8 years

Bush Jr was a tool for 8 years

Obama was a tool for 8 years


do we see any patterns, trends, precedents?


tunnelvizn's picture

Exactly how a child would view this

Escrava Isaura's picture

That’s he has a narrow view of US history.


balolalo's picture

awww....  did boiling it down leave a bitter taste in your mouth? 

boo hoo

ThirteenthFloor's picture

Tools are used or 'handy' when you have a permanent government. See my comment below.

Eisenhower presided over Dulles brothers and the greatest growth of the industrial military complex. That would be like Obama leaving office and saying "Americans, beware of rising health costs and reduced health services".

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iAmerican3 (not verified) ThirteenthFloor Jan 18, 2017 9:53 PM

The Dulles brothers, with Prescott Bush, were the Anti-Christ Beast Fifth Column's money conduit to Hitler and NA (NSDAP)-ZI (Zionist)sm's papal catspaw to draw in America for destruction, the Holohoax, and war-profiteer. One of their Presbyterian sons became the presiding "cardinal" at the "West Point of the FBI", Jesuit Fordham University, producing all the traitors like CIA head Brennan and numerous other FBI and CIA Roman Catholic anti-God, anti-American Fifth Column Vatican agents.

blindman's picture

something like 99% of the people in the world
have no idea what any of anything means or implies.
and that may be a feature, not a flaw, of humanity,
survival and life itself?
go figure.......

Kefeer's picture

Actually it is liars because lying is the gateway to all the other immoral behavior and it is for this reason that we will NEVER have peace because man is inherently a liar.  How many lies does it take to make a liar? One.  Some just do it more than other, some are better at it and some do it they do not even realize it or rationalize it.  Look a president who habitually lies and has been at war the entire time wins a Peace Prize.


Example - when a person speeds, they are practicing the art of lying because the privilege of driving came with one's promise/agreement to obey the driving laws.  However, the person who speeds routinely pays no attention to this and would rationalize it away as okay even it they considered what I just stated.

old naughty's picture

b,b,but the Star Wars - Rogue One appeared to have all the heroes died off at the end, not a good omen...

perhaps there will be Rogue Two...

DrLucindaX's picture

Hmmmm.....just like "Saving Private Ryan" killed all its heroes and then we got 9/11, perhaps "Rogue One" is a precurser to another bloody day. Holly Wood is magic, you know. 

averros's picture

Driving is not a privilege, that's just DMV and DOT bullshitting to justify their "right" to control you. Freedom of movement is a constitutional right, and that right is not limited by the choice of means of conveyance.

Snípéir_Ag_Obair's picture

Two things:

1: The neocon movement was by, for and of Zionist Jews. It is PROXY ZIONISM - geting the US to fight Israel's wars for lebensraum. This is not a theory or an opinion but historical and obvious fact. The term has been conflated with militarists generally - but the neocon movement was and is Jewish and Zionist at root and core. You should say so without any guilt. Most jews are not neocons, but most neocons are jews.

please read if you suspect I am wrong on this.

2. Germans are the single biggest ethnic group in the us, followed y the Irish. The Irish might be the biggest if you're a little loose and include the ulster squatters.. eh... Scotch Irish and the Highland Scots, who basically are Ulster Gaels ie Irish (Scottish Gaelic used to be called 'Erse' in Broad Scots, meaning Irish...

anyway, even so, the group most over represented in think tankistan, k street, congressional staffers, treasury and state and elsewhere is Jews.

However, there is one place where Jews are UNDERREPRESENTED - and that is the US military.

Hedge accordingly.

iAmerican3's picture
iAmerican3 (not verified) ne14truth Jan 18, 2017 9:47 PM

The Anti-Christ, through their "Guardian of the Vatican Treasury" bankers' "pyramids," have gotten us where we are through satanic temptations and assassinations...lead or silver.

GreatUncle's picture

Normally they weed these kind of people out though.

Hence the fallback on regime change normally falls on the iltary.

ThirteenthFloor's picture

Described in The Devils Chessboard", loyalty is achieved by 'blackmail', not by any normal standards.

Nixon for not obvious visual reasons was loyal to Dulles boys (ref: above book) and Poppy Bush (ref: Bush, Family of Secrets) despite being screwed over by both families. Why ? They had dirt on him.

Dulles referred to Deep State as The Permanent Government, subtle difference but a bit more descriptive of the behavior and of the ruling elite and situation we face.

TeamDepends's picture

Let us be the first to green you. As you may recall, we said a prayer on election night right here on ZH. What is difficult for most to grasp is that our unelected Overlords are not atheists. Their god is Lucifer. They admit this in countless subtle and not so subtle ways. For instance, why do you think that God has been eliminated from virtually all US institutions? Were "progressives" able to do this on their own? No, they had help. This is a spiritual battle, always has been. Will it burst out into the open on Friday?

blindman's picture

there is this.
Matrix of Liberty
another link.
The Forefathers Monument: A Matrix of Liberty
"all art is propaganda." word to the wise
from another art lover.

GlobalMapper's picture

"This is a spiritual battle, always has been."

Indeed my friend.  There are few that can see beyond the surface.  The spritual battlefield is the only place that we can prevail.

TBT or not TBT's picture
  • The fictional Tyler Durden said so.  "Ours is a spiritual war". 
you know they are lying because they are talking's picture

It never ceases to amaze me how people will say all of our ills are caused by the non-believers. When in fact, it is near impossibe for a self proclaimed atheist/agnostic to get elected in this country. The people that have caused this nightmare we are in, ARE the religious, mostly Christians.

Think about that.

1980XLS's picture

Pray for Trump.

He may not be perfect, but for now, he's all we have.

blindman's picture

listen, the federal government is a tangential
and ephemeral level of cognition, comprehension and
existence in the first place claiming the power of god
or a god. not sure whose god they got in the cage right now?
that level claims 'sovereignty'. (wow , they derived
this from the roman empire, then kings and royal families)
it bases its 'sovereignty'
on the faith and compliance of the states which claim their
power on the faith of the 'people'. there a tangled web of
legal mush (bullshit, it is all bullshit) no one could
fully or rightly justify, ever. they are all, always,
skating on very thin ice and full of shit. remember that.
that is how the world 'works' today. of course, that is all bullshit
too. there is something greater going on that no one can comprehend.
that is what we are after here.
anyway poems ....

iAmerican3's picture
iAmerican3 (not verified) 1980XLS Jan 18, 2017 9:37 PM

Thankfully all true Americans have God Almighty, the Creator of the universe, our named Sovereign, Who has now anointed Mr. Trump to trigger the Apocalypse that by grace and judgement our True Zion be redeemed, saved from the Anti-Christ's #Pizzagate Beast of (((Gog))) and Babylon now upon us.

markpower49's picture

Let's hope Trump gets rid of most or all of the CIA and stops funding for leftist orgs. Progs and wogs must be removed from our society.

detached.amusement's picture

sorry bro, yhvh only listens to big requests when there's blood sacrifices involved, and I dont gather you're that type of guy

iAmerican3's picture
iAmerican3 (not verified) Jan 18, 2017 7:14 PM

A duly empaneled Federal District Court Jury made the Knight of Malta-led Roman Catholic CIA's guilt in the murder of President Kennedy 'settled law."

Look up 'Hunt v. Marchetti' and stop being a ballless mushmouth cuck. 

blindman's picture

E. Howard Hunt Outs Lyndon Johnson in JFK Assassination Plot - PART 1

iAmerican3's picture
iAmerican3 (not verified) blindman Jan 18, 2017 7:16 PM

Protecting his butt-boys, Nixon and Bush, to the end.

blindman's picture

"the eagle flies on monday."
T-Bone Walker - Stormy Monday Blues (Live!)
it is one bird with two wings, get that.
end the fed.

Cheka_Mate's picture

Cord Meyer's wife also went missing who was having an affair with JFK.

As an international network, the CIA used bottling plants (Coca-Cola, etc) as fronts for heroin production.  They could then distribute industry products like acetyl acetone needed to turn Opium in Heroin.  These plants were run only by local businesses supportive of the CIA.

When Castro took power, Cuba was the largest sugar producer for US companies.  

Shutting down soft drink production cut off BOTH money to foreign assets and drug profits as well 

iAmerican3's picture
iAmerican3 (not verified) Cheka_Mate Jan 18, 2017 8:54 PM

Pepsi and Coke had competing networks in Latin America in that regard.

"Cola Wars" (iirc) covers it. 

Rockefeller-lieutenant Nixon, Knight of Malta Episcopalian papal knight, Hitler bagman, and Auschwitz builder Prescott Bush's butt-boy Nixon used the Pepsi board meeting in Dallas as his cover for co-supervising the CIA's hit, with Prescott's son, GHW Bush.

blindman's picture

i messed that up.
the eagle flies on friday according to the song,
not monday. truth be told though, the eagle does
fly on monday too.

Snípéir_Ag_Obair's picture

Johnson was of part Jewish background.

Remember - he covered up for Israel in the USS Liberty 'incident' and was without a doubt hoping to get the US into a war for Israel.. until the Soviets gave him a brush back pitch.

Kennedy was murdered for opposing the birth of what is bow the Anglo-Zionist Empire. And indeed, CIA is Anglo-Zionist.

iAmerican3's picture
iAmerican3 (not verified) Snípéir_Ag_Obair Jan 18, 2017 9:43 PM

Johnson was no "Jew," he was the CIA's "connection" on the Intelligence Committee, Walter Jenkins his cocksucker, a #Pizzagate blackmailed under-control sex pervert, bigamist Freemason and assassin - "good buddy" of the "Bachelor Senators," Lindsay Graham's predecessors in perversion.