Are NATO Members Paying Their Fair Share? (Spoiler Alert: No!)

Tyler Durden's picture

Donald Trump is right to say America’s NATO allies aren’t paying their fair share. As Bloomberg notes, the alliance expects its members to spend 2% of GDP on defense; but it’s no secret that most of them don’t...


 

Having reaffirmed his skepticism about the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, and his readiness to make deals with Russia, in European media interviews published last weekend, President Trump leaves European leaders wondering whether they can still rely on the American security umbrella.

“Let’s not fool ourselves,” German Chancellor Angela Merkel said last week. “There is no infinite guarantee.”

So, in what looks like another Trump victory, Merkel’s Germany, and many other European nations, are boosting military budgets.

To be sure, even in Europe’s “new strategic reality” in which NATO guarantees are no longer unconditional, some defense budgets will likely fall short, said Jan Techau, head of the Richard C. Holbrooke Forum at the American Academy in Berlin. “The Europeans will have to do something,” he said. “But I have my doubts that we’ll get across-the-board 2 percent spending.”

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Haus-Targaryen's picture

Oh excellent, lets have Europe re-arm itself right before the financial system collapses.  I mean, what could go wrong? 

theallseeinggod's picture

Wars do eliminate debt. I'm not so sure about the nuclear ones though.

jefferson32's picture

This whole "pay their fair share" and "nato is obsolete needs reform" means more they want guns, more wars, more innocent dead people. They want to enable nato to be able to "project force" in a quicker and broader manner, to be specialized in "anti-terrorism" (= state terrorism using false flags and population control). Anyone who's interpreting these changes as something positive is either a ueber-statist looking forward to a more militarized world, or is being utterly fooled by the powers that be.

Kotzbomber747's picture

Hey, the US wants their global empire. The US wants their colonies, air bases and vassal states around the globe. The US wants it's US Dollar as the world's reserve currency, so it's only natural that they'll pay for it with their own (freshly printed!) Dollars.

Remember John Connally's "it's our currency, but it's your problem" remark? Well, to paraphrase him: "it's your empire, and it's YOUR financial problem!"

HowdyDoody's picture

Fair share for what? Subsidising the cost of US Empire and acting as decoy targets to deflect Russian military focus away from the US?

The only claim for not paying 'enough' relates to greed of the US MIC. The NATO states aren't buying 'enough' US-made over-priced under-functional weaponry. Enough is enough.

 

NidStyles's picture

NATO doesn't use US weaponry...

 

fx's picture

They pay more than their "fair share" because they are essentially all just vassalls of the US. There is one and only one country really benefitting from NATO and that is the USA. It is America's tool to engage militarily in all corners of the world and to mask that as "collective" action of a "defensive alliance". Europe would be much safer without NATO, that much is for sure. It is absurd to allocate ever more money to arms and weapons. You could prevent 90% of the refugees from ever leaving their home countries by providing real economic aid there, on the ground. Inbstead, billions are wasted to kill and destroy and create the very refugees that one later needs to keep away. And even more billions are then wasted to "protect" and "defend" the "Western world" once the consequences of said destructive actions are coming back home to their origins.

Kotzbomber747's picture

"NATO doesn't use US weaponry..."

So why do so many NATO countries fly F16's (Denmark, Netherlands, Belgium, Turkey, Norway, Poland, Romania), F18's (Spain, Canada) and use M16 guns? Aren't those US products?

So Denmark, The Netherlands, Norway, Turkey, Italy and the United Kingdom are not NATO countries who are paying (dearly!) for the grossly overpriced F35 Joint Strike Fighter?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II#Operators

and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M16_rifle#Users

and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics_F-16_Fighting_Falcon#Oper...

and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_F/A-18_Hornet#Operators

onthesquare's picture

how come Switzerland always gets to be neutral?  Why don't other countries just say "to hell with this we want to be neutral like the Swiss?"

the us might pay more into nato but they are the major beneficiaries as their companys sell most of the stuff needed to run nato to the other nato members.

it is a racket.  the us makes the wars then expects their gang members to rally round.

Kotzbomber747's picture

The Swiss aren't neutral. They are spineless bastards who bow to the ones with the most money and power: i.e. the US and the Western World.

The Swiss are lying sacks of shit, melting the gold extracted from the Jews, secretly producing weapons for the Nazis (see the 'accidental' bombing by the Allies during WW2 of Schaffhausen), laundrying the money of drug dealers, dictators, and corrupt CEO's, and providing a stage and a safe shelter for the (mostly Western!) ruling elites and central bankers to shape the world as they see fit during the World Economic Forum in Davos every year.

Is it dirty? Is it corrupt? Can it not withstand the light of day? Then Switzerland is the place to be!

new game's picture

my dirty money good cleaned on the way to the bottom...

carbon's picture

 

I beg your pardon, but have fine Jodel
East Indian's picture

They dont care what you think of them, as long as you keep your money with them!

bh2's picture

"They are spineless bastards"

You apparently aren't aware of Swiss defensive capabilities or committments. Nor their close relationship with the NATO alliance. The difference is that they -- unlike the US -- cannot be dragged into a war when some moron in another, distant country becomes over-daring because he has a gang of buddies at his back.

That no one has ever chosen to go up against the Swiss is some indication that neutrality doesn't imply pacifism or weakness. This may arise from the fact their militia are armed to the teeth and composed of the entire able male population of citizens. Women can -- and do -- volunteer. The national sport is competitive shooting. Even Hitler decided the cost would be too high to attack Switzerland, which refused to ally with him "and made it stick".

"It could get away with such behavior because it had revived its ferocious infantry in the form of a citizen army, in which every able-bodied male must serve a minimum amount of active duty (about 300 days), and every militiaman keeps his rifle and a sealed box of ammo at home. Until recently, the armed forces numbered some 600,000, in a country of just over six million."   http://www.airspacemag.com/flight-today/dont-mess-with-switzerland-18337...

The entire US military, including reserve forces, is 1.5 million in a nation of 318 million. Do the math. It is impossible to imagine the US likewise depending on its legions of pussies and snowflakes to perform similar duties.

The article cited above offers some particular insight into their air defense. This wiki article is about their entire military effort, including budget: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Armed_Forces

steaua's picture

others have tried it too, Romania in ww2 for example. well it din't work out very well because the friendly neighbours decided to ignore and invade/loot/grab land.

the large countries have no intention to being neutral because they can bully the small ones. and the small ones rarely are accepted as neutral, except Switzerland.

Mentaliusanything's picture

I will fix it for all of us ... FUCK THIS SHIT.

You welcome

 

freedogger's picture

These countries should just say fuck NATO, buy a few nukes and be all done. 

onthesquare's picture

why buy when you can rent?

 

Kotzbomber747's picture

If it flies, fucks or floats: rent it!

onthesquare's picture

"War is a racket"  Smedley Butler

and all nato members are racketeers

 

jefferson32's picture

"wars do eliminate debt"

I don't know if i missed the sarcasm here. But the biggest debtors are governments, and the number 1 contributor to their debt in history has been waging warfare. War is perfect for the build-up of debt, that's why the moneylenders/usurers always want more wars, and why war is a racket.

War only destroys savings and wealth, it produces none, ever. This idea "the US got out of the great depression" thanks to WW2" and the .gov expenditure it entailed is perfect and absolute nonsense.

quadraspleen's picture

^^ this. The trope that "wars provide a reset" is clever. And bullshit, as you correctly point out. I wonder who perpetuates that rumour? (Apart from the very people wars fuck over, that is)

GreatUncle's picture

It does if you wait about 3 years, watch ever other fucker blast themselves to oblivion, supplying them with the weapons they crave to wage the war.

Funding parties through lease - lend.

Decades later those who engaged in the war were still paying for the war too (UK).

Next time round fuck the government, no stepping in to help some other poor fucker, we sell the weapons for this time.

 

new game's picture

just say no, trump adjust funding to zero. watch their heads explode. then pivot to the U.N. and shut the fuking flake tower down. cut funding by 75 percent with drawn down to zera again. shut down 100 military bases. move the armament to the borders. put the personnel to work rounding up all illegals, plez do not discriminate, just illegals. let the dust settle and watch the world run one fuk of a lot smother...

use the billions(saved) for coast to coast high speed rail with american made products...

just a start...

edotabin's picture

I don't know if this is a "Boeing" thing but the fact that high speed rail doesn't exist in the US is beyond ridiculous. There is no reason to use commercial flights for trips under 6-700 miles. Short flights are so uncomfortable, burdensome, time consuming and unnecessary.

I travel regularly for business and drive 4 hours between cities. Actual flight time is 25 minutes. If you add up all the other requirements, flying takes just about the same amount of time.

Cassandra.Hermes's picture

Such a short memory, Bush The U.S. war in Iraq has cost $1.7 trillion with an additional $490 billion in benefits owed to war veterans, expenses that could grow to more than $6 trillion over the next four decades counting interest, and Bush pay it with debt. The war may have economics effect but it is much less than the damage it cost, the $212 billion reconstruction effort was largely a failure with most of that money spent on security or lost to waste and fraud

dark fiber's picture

Frankly, we couldn't care less what goes wrong in socialist lala land any more.  This time Europe is well and truly alone.  And it was about time too.

Ghordius's picture

"This time Europe is well and truly alone"

reminds me of "Fog in the Channel, Continent cut off"

Haus-Targaryen's picture

The next decade will determine if you are correct or not. 

If the birthrate of Muslims on the continent continues at 4.X and the birthrate of the domestic populations continues at 1.X then Europe has maybe 10 years or so left as "Europe" before it more closely begins to resemble Turkey and Tunisia.  

At this point a European population reduction and collapse of the social welfare state is the only thing that will save "European" culture. 

Europe can recover from population reduction, see Europe after the Black Death. 

What it cannot recover from is 200 million Muzzies living in Europe with a population of 380 million people (estimated population in year 2120 at current replacement rates). 

If you guys want to see Europe "one last time" before this thing inverts, I'd try and do it this summer. 

The other option is a completely economic meltdown.  It wipes out everyone, the Muzzies and the domestic population. 

There is no other place for the domestic population to go, as the USSA is going to turn into the biggest shitshow on the planet and thus they'll stay and rebuild. 

The muzzies will be blamed, in my opinion, in large part for the collapse.  It isn't true, it isn't fair, but the opportunity for these right-of-center parties to greatly expand their base based upon poverty and tribalism (a good thing IMO) will be too great not to pass up.  

Welfare to this population will get cut off, and living in an increasingly hostile environment will become unpleasant, to say the least. 

I think most will self-deport and those that stay will either assimilate or get killed off. 

Like I said, one of the two above will happen in the next decade.  We'll see how this goes. 

new game's picture

what you are saying is "let us all look forward to a bloody civil war with only one outcome, killer take all".

Vageling's picture

What he's saying is that one point in time it will come to that. 

janus's picture

Haus,

That is preciesly what's going to happen. 

Great post (as always).

janus

Vageling's picture

Haus... That's impossible. May I suggest you look into what leaders of the Armed Forces say? Not those filthy talking heads called Minister of Defence. Our Armies are in decay. Most of our shit isn't operational and used to keep the remaining operational. It will take years to get on level IF they get the budget!

Just heard barbie the MoD (affirmative action got her there) commenting on Trump. She deflects the question with an non answer. "Well NATO is 70 years old and so is Trump."

o_O

Europe is weak under the EU.

skistroni's picture

Make American/German/French/Israeli military industry great again.

Fireman's picture

NATO, North Amerikan Terror Organ; that limp appendage dangling from the Pedophile Politburo in Natostan capital of USSA's flaccid vassal Brussels, seat of the infamous albeit collapsing EUSSR. Will the Germans get suckered for a third time into a global war for their anglozionazi bankster masters and the Washing town thugocracy?  Nah...they finally seem to have figured it and STASI agent "Erika" out as the I$I$ "backed" Saudi Mercan IOU petroscrip toilet paper dollah gets flushed from the global Ponzi sewer of the Potemkin Village Mercan "economy" of slaughter for profit of the zero 1% and the allah detritus of USSA'S Middle East judaic wars rapes and pillages its way across a Europe betrayed by the hag in Berlin.  Syria is where the anglozionazi animal and Pentacon Murder Inc. finally bit off more than it could chew and the rest of humanity sees it for what it is. Meanwhile the emasculated pedophile pawns in Natostan huff and puff at Mr Bear's doorstep but that is all these cretins will ever do. It is all over bar the inevitable bankrupt collapse of €uro landia and the long awaited civil war reloaded in Slumville USSA.

 

http://www.newsbud.com/2016/12/22/newsbud-breaking-news-nato-chief-audit...

Invinciblehandaxe's picture

you need to add that germanstan has been profiteering from cheap euro. germanstan basically created a fifth colony out of almost whole europe. they've been pillaging other eu countries for decades now!

post-communism countries were stripped of their agriculture and heavy machinery industries. in what they had been selfsuficient that was destroyed via privatization and other means. now we're buying 2-3rd grade food from the western heavily subsidized farmers and producers for prices that are in many cases higher than in the west while we slave our asses off in german assembley lines for 1/3 of pay that is in germanstan.

once this germanstan slavery eu project ends the fuckers will see their standards go down by 1/3 immediatelly and even more later on.

PhiPhi's picture

I think UK citizens should be just as pissed about this.

Pliskin's picture

You think the citizens of the U.K. give a fuck?  When x-factor and Coronation Street are still on the telly, don't make me laugh!

GreatUncle's picture

The awake ones ... 2.2% GDP ... cut that 0.2% please.

Your government not working for you.

Fireman's picture

Brussels capital of NATOSTAN has become the fascist hub of the anglozionazi empire of carnage. The evil triangle of NATO, Israel and the collapsing EUSSR; one stop fascism all conveniently located in the Brussels sewer hole, home of the Pedophile Politburo.

 

Not so subliminal messaging from ze NATO Führer!

https://sputniknews.com/europe/201606281042050232-nato-nazi-ss-brussels-...

Und ze jews are already moved in and running ze show, in case the Goyim hadn't noticed.

https://www.intellihub.com/israel-a-de-facto-member-of-nato/

ze Europeon jewish parliament in Brussels, leading the way for zionazism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRzAqoxzSpA

HenryKissingerChurchill's picture

"I think there is a resurgence of anti-Semitism because at this point in time Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural. And I think we are going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place. Europe is not going to be the monolithic societies they once were in the last century. Jews are going to be at the centre of that. It’s a huge transformation for Europe to make. They are now going into a multicultural mode and Jews will be resented because of our leading role. But without that leading role and without that transformation, Europe will not survive."

~ Barbara Divörsity Lerner Spectre
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ

Pliskin's picture

NATO is a paper tiger, I mean, look, the U.S. and its great coalition of 60 nations couldn't defeat some sandal wearing, shopkeepers in the middle east, yet I hear all the hoo-ha rhetoric about war against Iran, Russia or China...fellas, fellas, fellas, best you keep your fuckin' heads in because in a war against a real army you'll get your little snowflake cunts kicked in.

Now if the LGBT Army/Navy/Airforce of the U.S. wants to have a go at the Pansy Army/Navy/Airforce of the EU, have at it, it'll make for some great entertainment.

 

HowdyDoody's picture

Look at Mosul in Iraq, for example. The US military say it will take years to liberate. The Iraqi have cleared the larger part, the east side, in about 3 months. I guess time estimates depend on whether your primary concern in enriching the US-MIC or liberating your country.

 

caesium's picture

America, which has lost every single war it has started since 1945, says Europe needs to dare to fail also.

JamesBond's picture

America didn't lose the war against fiscal responsibility....

Just sayin'

 

jb

Cruel Joke's picture

Na na na, America won the war against Grenada in 1983, fair and square. Operation Urgent Fury showed that the U.S. military strenght was too much for the 91,000 people (1,200 soldiers) of Grenada. It took only 7 weeks to beat them.

caesium's picture

Greece have hit their targets on this one!