What Trump's Wall Says To The World

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Submitted by Patrick Buchanan via Buchanan.org,

“Something there is that doesn’t love a wall,” wrote poet Robert Frost in the opening line of “Mending Walls.”

And on the American left there is something like revulsion at the idea of the “beautiful wall” President Trump intends to build along the 1,900-mile border between the U.S. and Mexico.

The opposition’s arguments are usually rooted in economics or practicality. The wall is unnecessary. It will not stop people from coming illegally. It costs too much.

Yet something deeper is afoot here. The idea of a permanent barrier between our countries goes to the heart of the divide between our two Americas on the most fundamental of questions.

Who are we? What is a nation? What does America stand for?

Those desperate to see the wall built, illegal immigration halted, and those here illegally deported, see the country they grew up in as dying, disappearing, with something strange and foreign taking its place.

It is not only that illegal migrants take jobs from Americans, that they commit crimes, or that so many require subsidized food, welfare, housing, education and health care. It is that they are changing our country. They are changing who we are.

Two decades ago, the Old Right and the neocons engaged in a ferocious debate over what America was and is.

Were we from the beginning a new, unique, separate and identifiable people like the British, French and Germans?

Or was America a new kind of nation, an ideological nation, an invented nation, united by an acceptance of the ideas and ideals of Jefferson, Madison, Lincoln and Dr. King?

The Old Right contended that America existed even before the Revolution, and that this new nation, this new people, wrote its own birth certificate, the Constitution. Before Washington, Madison and Hamilton ever went to Philadelphia, America existed.

What forced the premature birth of the nation — was the Revolution.

We did not become a new nation because we embraced Jefferson’s notion about all men being “created equal.” We became a new people from our familial break with the Mother Country, described in the declaration as a severing of ties with our “brethren” across the sea who no longer deserved our loyalty or love.

The United States came into being in 1789. The Constitution created the government, the state. But the country already existed.

When the Irish came in the mid-19th century to escape the famine and the Germans to escape Bismarck’s Prussia, and the Italians, Jews, Poles, Greeks, Slovaks came to Ellis Island, they were foreigners who became citizens, and then, after a time, Americans.

Not until decades after the Great Migration of 1890-1920, with the common trials of the Depression, World War II and Cold War, were we truly forged again into one united nation and people.

By 1960, almost all of us shared the same heroes and holidays, spoke the same language and cherished the same culture.

What those with memories of that America see happening today is the disintegration of our nation of yesterday. The savagery of our politics, exemplified in the last election, testifies to how Americans are coming to detest one another as much as the Valley Forge generation came to detest the British from whom they broke free.

In 1960, we were a Western Christian country. Ninety percent of our people traced their roots to Europe. Ninety percent bore some connection to the Christian faith. To the tens of millions for whom Trump appeals, what the wall represents is our last chance to preserve that nation and people.

To many on the cosmopolitan left, ethnic or national identity is not only not worth fighting for, it is not even worth preserving. It is a form of atavistic tribalism or racism.

The Trump wall then touches on the great struggle of our age.

Given that 80 percent of all people of color vote Democratic, neither the Trump movement nor the Republican Party can survive the Third Worldization of the United States now written in the cards.

Moreover, with the disintegration of the nation we are seeing, and with talk of the breakup of states like Texas and secession of states like California, how do we survive as one nation and people?

Old Europe never knew mass immigration until the 20th century.

Now, across Europe, center-left and center-right parties are facing massive defections because they are perceived as incapable of coping with the existential threat of the age — the overrunning of the continent from Africa and the Middle East.

President Trump’s wall is a statement to the world: This is our country. We decide who comes here. And we will defend our borders.

The crisis of our time is not that some Americans are saying this, but that so many are too paralyzed to say it, or do not care, or embrace what is happening to their country.

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Hyjinx's picture

Yes, but everyone was WHITE.  BIG difference.

stampman's picture

I can't understand the English of the guys in the backwoods of Mississippi.  What's different?

We are way richer?  I have had almost no food in the fridge for over a week now.

I am really not sure that you know what you are talking about.

fsoawesome's picture

I don't think this is about preserving old America, but more about preserving simply: America. We're not talking about building a northern wall for Canada, we're saying: let's build a wall on the south to stop the dangerous and destructive immigration that has brought tangible damning effects to our nation. It is killing our citizens. It is injuring our economy. It is making our society unsafe. It is dividing the nation with a wedge of language; those refusing to learn a language to become one with a nation are undeniably unhealthy for unity and unity is the foundation of progress.

shovelhead's picture


No hordes of Canadian gangbangers drive-by shooting up the US side of Niagara Falls?

Who was that masked man's picture

Load of crap.  

A country without borders is no country.  What Trump's wall represents is a statement to the world against globalization, not so much against immigration as against uncontolled immigration.  We recognize that America is an ever changing, evolving community, a mix of all races, religions, and ethnic backgrounds but it is also a nation of laws and when those laws are disregarded, anarchy will be the result, exactly as we see happening in Europe..

nevertheless's picture

"We recognize that America is an ever changing, evolving community, a mix of all races, religions, and ethnic backgrounds"


You should also recognize that nations, like the one you described, don't last very long. "Multiculturalism" is death to nations, America is certainly proof of that. 


Multiculturalism mean homogeneity, NO COMMON CULTURE, NO FUTURE, and we see this in every city, you turn off the power and in just a few days you have total anarchy, period.

Who was that masked man's picture

As a global community, most of the problems we experience are between single culture nations.  If all nations were more multicultural, the world might well be a better place.

stampman's picture

I know of no real problems to the global community caused by any single-culture nation.  North Korea, for example, is not a real problem.  It is a fake problem.

Give us some specific examples.


cherokeepilot's picture

I agree with you.  Screw "multiculturalism".

We have many different animals on our farm.  Horses, llamas, goats, donkeys, alpacas, dogs and cats.  I pointed out to my wife that each species hangs with their own type. They do not procreate with a different specie. 

Although it may be a stretch, you can see this concept applied to the groups that come here from other countries.  Each nationality prefers to "hang" with their own. The parents don't generally approve of their kids (specie) marrying other nationalities.  Look at how many groups prefer to gather with their own groups. Eventually, there is some intermarrying between groups and acceptance by the younger generation of that concept. 

The biggest problem with "multiculturalism" initially is that the first group that comes here does not indentifiy with the customs of this country and refuses to assimilate, preferring their own customs and language.  Although this changes over time, this creates a problem for the rest of our society in that there is a refusal by some to learn our language and customs.

This refusal by some of these immigrants is exacerbated and encouraged by a community which provides information to them in their original language, example:  lots of signs in Spanish, so why bother learning English and also why bother learning our customs.

Basically, if a person moves to a "new" country, they need to learn the language and follow the customs of their new country.  This is not only not encouraged in our country but is also discouraged by the proponents of "multiculturalism".


stampman's picture

I know lots of Mexican guys on a first name basis who fit this category, refuse to learn English, and refuse to go home.

I would bet money that a lot of the illegal aliens in my neighborhood would avoid or skip becoming US citizens if they were offered the opportunity.

They are invaders who are here to take, not people looking for a new life.

Where I live, they raped and beat up the American women they met, they took jobs away from US citizens, and they trashed the town.

They are still here causing problems.

skunzie's picture

We as a nation should continue to evolve.  Every nation gets filled to capacity at some point and we are no exception.  Yes we are a nation of immigrants (including the Indians), but at a point, through endemic growth or with immigrants we got full (at a self-sustaining point) and so need to re-evaluate immigration policies.  We have established ourselves as a sovereign, independent nation, and need to examine current immigration policy in order to formulate a cogent plan for what level of immigration will be needed to ensure a fresh infusion of new ideas from different peoples so that we remain a self-sustaining nation in the future.  Nothing wrong at all with halting immigration for a few years to identify the path we want to take as a nation.

reader2010's picture

Fuck his wall and border tax. His wall and border tax is simply a national sales tax in disguise. Fuck it. If Trump really wanted to end illegal immigration, he would simply enforce the current law that requires the employers who hire illegal immigrants to be sent to jail. Of course,  he can't send CEOs of multinationals to jail. So he comes up with federal sales tax which hurts the working class most by design. Trump is going to take your money and give to his super rich client base. People got played like a violin. That's it.

shovelhead's picture

he would simply enforce the current law that requires the employers who hire illegal immigrants to be sent to jail.


Because thats working so well already, isn't it?

We could have Citizen Enforcement. A van pulls up to a Home Depot and the guy says everyone in for a job.

Drop em off at ICE or Border Patrol.

stampman's picture

A young Jewish guy in SOCAL did just that one time and made a video of it.  Am surprised you never saw it.

He did it nearly 20 years ago after the beaches in Orange County were all permanently closed at night after some illegal alien gang members killed some young American beachgoers one night.

In just that one incident, illegal aliens took freedom to go to the beach away from tens of millions of American people all at once.


ebear's picture


"Because thats working so well already, isn't it?"

Give La Migra an incentive.  You bust X number of illegal employers in a month, or you're out of a job.  Any graft detected, you go to jail.

stampman's picture

"Of course,  he can't send CEOs of multinationals to jail."

YES HE CAN.  Your arguments are all BS.

hotrod's picture

ANYONE THAT THINKS THE USA HAS NOT CATERED TO THE HISPANICS IS ABSOLUTLEY NUTS.  I cant hardly find the English directions on products I buy anymore.  I feel like I got to speak spanish just to live here.  WTH.

everlearner's picture

Californians love messicans. Cheap labor (all paid under the table, since they have no papers), mostly humble hard working people. Actually real nice people. I visit CA often to visit our children and I that's how I know.

Messicans love CA: nice, friendly people that give them very high paying jobs ($7.00 / hour is way more than $50 / week in messico), and they think the rest of the country is the same... Why would they think otherwise?

So when they don't find jobs in CA, they move on to other states.

CA has a huge economy, but that is not the same in the rest of the country. The burden of supporting illegal families can be too much for states with smaller economies.

That's when crime escalates: many people will rob because they are starving. And Americans are sooooo rich, when compared to messicans. So, their misery is an easy excuse for crime: the end justify the means.

Now, if the USA had unlimited economic resources, these problems wouldn't happen. All illegal people would find a job, all businesses would have cheap labor, and eveyone would be happy.

What is the solution? Build the wall or find "unlimited economic resources". It's that simple.



c4cheetah's picture

it's common sense.  you can either sell to 300 million english speakers or 330 million english or spanish speakers.  and you spend 5 cents printing an extra set of directions in spanish to expand your market by 10%.  


dirty belly's picture


This 'Wall' is

525 Years

Too Late.

PleasedToMeatYou's picture

Yeah, and your ancestors were just a bunch of peace loving flower children living off of the land, right?  You think their way of life was sustainable, or could ever be defensible? 

If Europeans, mostly British, Scotch Irish, etc.,  hadn't done it, then Asians would have eventually taken over here.  You think that would have been better? 

We stole this land fair and square, just like has been done since the birth of man, and just like was done among competing indigenous tribes.  So, STFU ya' whiny hypocrite. 

GeezerGeek's picture

I, for one, have never heard a person of Chinese descent badmouth his racial subgroup the way some whites denigrate whites in general. And lest anyone wonder how many Chinese I know, I spent a decade as a member of a local Chinese Culture Association. I even got to be the token white guy helping carry a Chinese dragon through the streets of Miami in one New Year's parade. I really don't understand whites who bash whites as a group, as did that person I heard running for the DNC recently.

ebear's picture

In America, you see mostly Han Chinese who can afford to emmigrate.  Different story in China itself.  Language, ethnicity, skin tone - all come into play over there.  Here's a clue: You don't bad mouth each other in front of non-Chinese.  It's all about "face."  

Mroex's picture

And may I add, since we have scientific proof that the "Native" Americans migrated here from asia when the continents were closer and had land bridges, begs the question what peoples did they commit genocide on and then take over what we call today North America

aardvarkk's picture

For the mammoths and other extinct megafauna of North America, it's at least 10,000 years to late.  It's all a matter of perspective.

Mustafa Kemal's picture

The real paradox here is that no other nation on earth lets illegal visitors stay, nevertheless get benefits. 

JustPastPeacefield's picture

And citizenship for it's anchor babies too. Insanity that only America permits. Let's change that.

Overdrawn's picture

Yep, that happens in Europe as well.  Most of us want to send them all back as well. Just need the right politicians in place and it will happen.

aardvarkk's picture

Europe gives vagrants citizenship?  Shit.  I'm a software engineer, and a year or two ago I actually looked into what it would take to get dual citizenship in various places.  I looked at government websites, various non-public forums and whatever.  I considered places like Italy, France, Switzerland, Bahamas, Honduras, Dominican Republic, Argentina, Mexico, various Island nations in the Pacific, etc.  NONE of them seemed very hospitable to the idea of new citizens or even permanent residents, even the poor countries and regardless of education, skills, etc.

Apparently you have to be an adherent to a violent "religion", very poor, or otherwise undesirable to get into the US or Europe.  Heck, I had a (non-felonious) legal issue in 1999 that seems to disqualify me from ever considering Canada as another home either, or maybe even visiting there.  If I had an extra million or two laying around I could probably buy my own small island in the Caribbean and be my own nation (or buy an "investment citizenship" in some poor countries), but aside from that I'm stuck in the US except for vacations.

Overdrawn's picture

You not aware of what is happening in Europe?  Illegals get free housing, health care, education, weekly cash allowance for themselves, additional cash allowances for each child, then they get given grants to buy furniture etc.

PleasedToMeatYou's picture

"...no other nation on earth..."

Many Europeans would disagree with you. 

Also, it is ironic that the Mexicans enforce their southern border in a vigorous way for which they criticize the US to attempt on their Mexican and South/Central American emigres. 

ebear's picture

Enforcement of anything in Mexico is lackadaisical.  I was driving through Michoacan in a rental car with no plates (just a paper permit on the dash) doing about 90km/h when I accidently blew through an army checkpoint.  I stopped about 100 yards down the road, put it in reverse and went back.  The guy just waved me on....lol.

Another time I was stopped in Guerrero.  Guy looks at my British Columbia driver's licence and asks if I'm from Central America...lol.  Took some effort to keep a straight face on that one.  Not as bad as the army guy in Guatemala who held my passport upside down while he looked for the visa stamp.  That was coming from Belize which is an unfriendly border - Guatemala claims all of Belize as its territory.  AFAIC, they can have it. (divers and beach bunnies need to get up-country - you'll see).  Crossed back into Mexico at the Chiapas border.  Not much checking going on there.  Too hot to bother I guess.

That was a while ago, so maybe things have changed.  Like anything ever changes down there.

Farmerz's picture

I put up a little 7' wall/fence around my place. ( 7' limited by the county permits) Illegals, white trash druggies etc. all walking on my property, at all hours of the day and night, to steal oranges from the dozen or so trees around my house.

Havn't had an orange stolen since.


JustPastPeacefield's picture

Good walls make good neighbors.

pipes's picture

Bad neighbors make good fertilzer.

stampman's picture

The utility company SDGE would drive all over my yard including over septic tanks until I built a fence.

Half of Mexico went through my yard on its way north.  The other half lives here and would walk, ride bike or drive through my yard on the way to the store every day.

Build that wall.

GeezerGeek's picture

"Half of Mexico went through my yard on its way north."

Now we know who to blame. All this time I thought it was Barry's fault.

shovelhead's picture

Why Mexico doesn't want a US wall.

Maybe they don't want to be stuck with the flood of Central Americans coming into Mexico?


cherry picker's picture

If the USA respected other borders, like in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Libya and I know I missed a few, quit droning wedding parties and hauling people off to unamed prisons where they don't have a hope in hell if they are innocent, I guess the border wall would be OK.

stampman's picture

"If the USA respected other borders ...."

That is why we now have Trump and that is what he is going to do.

PitBullsRule's picture

Once you get the wall up, Mexico is going to get a lot of visitors.  First ones over will be North Korea, whose Supreme Leader will be offering his new amigos some nuclear tipped missiles along the northern border.  China may want to store some hardware too, maybe about 50 million Chinese soldiers, about a million tanks, maybe a few million canons?  All neatly arranged along the northern land of old Mexico.  And Mexico, having a giant "Fuck You" staring them in the face, built along the border by our deplorables, will be just OK with it.  Right about that time, the old communists will start to think, "What do we need all these round-eyed pricks for anyway? They owe us a couple trillion, why don't we just take it back in the form of real estate?".  And when you see those 50 million Chinks and Koreans with a million tanks and canons rolling across that border, you will have a moment of intense clarity, and you'll know, sometimes its good to be friends with your neighbors.




Wow72's picture

If thats what your neighbors fence says to you? You should look at yourself.  Fences make good neighbors.

Nunyadambizness's picture

I call "Bullshit"  You have a good imagination and maybe should start writing novels, but still, bullshit.

shovelhead's picture

Hey, if you're going retard, go FULL retard.

It doesn't cost extra.

stampman's picture

Bring it on Dickhead, and speaking for Americans, we will be happy to snuff all of them, including YOU.

quax's picture

So who elected you to speak for Americans?  Leave that to Trump and his cabinet.

aardvarkk's picture

Good walls make for good neighbors.

GeezerGeek's picture

How do you know the Chinese will be in Mexico to stage an invasion of the US? Perhaps they wiill be there because Mexico wants its own wall, and the Chinese have lots of experience building walls.