What Trump's Wall Says To The World

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Submitted by Patrick Buchanan via Buchanan.org,

“Something there is that doesn’t love a wall,” wrote poet Robert Frost in the opening line of “Mending Walls.”

And on the American left there is something like revulsion at the idea of the “beautiful wall” President Trump intends to build along the 1,900-mile border between the U.S. and Mexico.

The opposition’s arguments are usually rooted in economics or practicality. The wall is unnecessary. It will not stop people from coming illegally. It costs too much.

Yet something deeper is afoot here. The idea of a permanent barrier between our countries goes to the heart of the divide between our two Americas on the most fundamental of questions.

Who are we? What is a nation? What does America stand for?

Those desperate to see the wall built, illegal immigration halted, and those here illegally deported, see the country they grew up in as dying, disappearing, with something strange and foreign taking its place.

It is not only that illegal migrants take jobs from Americans, that they commit crimes, or that so many require subsidized food, welfare, housing, education and health care. It is that they are changing our country. They are changing who we are.

Two decades ago, the Old Right and the neocons engaged in a ferocious debate over what America was and is.

Were we from the beginning a new, unique, separate and identifiable people like the British, French and Germans?

Or was America a new kind of nation, an ideological nation, an invented nation, united by an acceptance of the ideas and ideals of Jefferson, Madison, Lincoln and Dr. King?

The Old Right contended that America existed even before the Revolution, and that this new nation, this new people, wrote its own birth certificate, the Constitution. Before Washington, Madison and Hamilton ever went to Philadelphia, America existed.

What forced the premature birth of the nation — was the Revolution.

We did not become a new nation because we embraced Jefferson’s notion about all men being “created equal.” We became a new people from our familial break with the Mother Country, described in the declaration as a severing of ties with our “brethren” across the sea who no longer deserved our loyalty or love.

The United States came into being in 1789. The Constitution created the government, the state. But the country already existed.

When the Irish came in the mid-19th century to escape the famine and the Germans to escape Bismarck’s Prussia, and the Italians, Jews, Poles, Greeks, Slovaks came to Ellis Island, they were foreigners who became citizens, and then, after a time, Americans.

Not until decades after the Great Migration of 1890-1920, with the common trials of the Depression, World War II and Cold War, were we truly forged again into one united nation and people.

By 1960, almost all of us shared the same heroes and holidays, spoke the same language and cherished the same culture.

What those with memories of that America see happening today is the disintegration of our nation of yesterday. The savagery of our politics, exemplified in the last election, testifies to how Americans are coming to detest one another as much as the Valley Forge generation came to detest the British from whom they broke free.

In 1960, we were a Western Christian country. Ninety percent of our people traced their roots to Europe. Ninety percent bore some connection to the Christian faith. To the tens of millions for whom Trump appeals, what the wall represents is our last chance to preserve that nation and people.

To many on the cosmopolitan left, ethnic or national identity is not only not worth fighting for, it is not even worth preserving. It is a form of atavistic tribalism or racism.

The Trump wall then touches on the great struggle of our age.

Given that 80 percent of all people of color vote Democratic, neither the Trump movement nor the Republican Party can survive the Third Worldization of the United States now written in the cards.

Moreover, with the disintegration of the nation we are seeing, and with talk of the breakup of states like Texas and secession of states like California, how do we survive as one nation and people?

Old Europe never knew mass immigration until the 20th century.

Now, across Europe, center-left and center-right parties are facing massive defections because they are perceived as incapable of coping with the existential threat of the age — the overrunning of the continent from Africa and the Middle East.

President Trump’s wall is a statement to the world: This is our country. We decide who comes here. And we will defend our borders.

The crisis of our time is not that some Americans are saying this, but that so many are too paralyzed to say it, or do not care, or embrace what is happening to their country.

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onmail1's picture

Also most of Sikh terrorists
are already sheltered there
& spoonfed ready for next venture

Terrorism is the new venture capitalism of west

Kyddyl's picture

Would you settle for a well tended hedge?

yngso's picture

I do suspect that you're English, and far too polite in this context.

kudocast's picture

The Wall is a joke.

1) I have spoken with civil engineers who have worked on major construction projects.  They said the wall will actually cost 3x as much as Trump estimates, more like $30 billion, and will take over 10 years to build.

2) If a 20% tariff is imposed on Mexican goods to make "Mexico pay" for the wall, American citizens will actually be paying for the wall since the tariff costs will be added to the cost of imported goods.  So much for "making Mexico pay" for the wall.

3) No wall has ever worked - the Berlin wall, China wall, or any other wall.

4) Mexicans coming into America for jobs is just the "symptom" of the disease.  The "disease" is American corporations and businesses that WANT Mexican labor - they don't have to pay fair wages, benefits, insurance, etc. They increase their profits, line their pockets. Americans should be going after businesses that give Mexicans jobs. If there were not jobs to be had, Mexicans wouldn't be seeking to come here.

5) Mexico could retaliate and put a 20% tariff on American goods going into Mexico, hurting American businesses, causing job losses.

There are many other points to be made about the stupidity of the wall.  It's just a perfect example of how ignorant the people are that voted for Trump.  All his stupid ideas that sound good on the surface will actually fuck over the same people that voted for him even more.

squid's picture

Bollix on stilts i'm afraid.


Why is the nigger building one around his palce in shitcago?



squid's picture

Just to add....

You don't need a civil engineer to build a wall. It's not a fucking bridge idiot.



yngso's picture

...but you need a brain to do anything right. That being missing, this will end very badly indeed!

kudocast's picture

The wall is a pipe dream.  PR talk by Trump to manipulate idiots like you.

overmedicatedundersexed's picture

well well you actually talked to an civil engineer..and now you are the expert on this subject..impressive.

never mind the million jobs we get back at good pay, which means higher prices are still less ...than having no good job or money and paying cheap. think about it.

yngso's picture

That dream will become a nightmare very soon, because the world doesn't work that way.

kudocast's picture

The wall will never be built.  It's a fantasy.

yngso's picture

6) Many, many US businesses will be hurt badly by this madness.

pc_babe's picture

Uh .. there are no Mexicans in China.

estebanDido's picture

I hope the US gov stops supporting the criminal gov of Mexico that has stolen all the elections and are destroying the country fot the benefit of Transnational corps. Everytime Mejico elected a progressive gov there came the Marines. 

yngso's picture

The USA is saying f*** you to the world, which answers the same. This is a totally unnecessary tragedy, solvable by reasoning and talking.

d edwards's picture

Go over and talk/reason with iSiS.

2bit Hoarder's picture

10,032,000 6 inch diamter, .5 inch thick wall pipes at 60 ft long, capped at one end, costing $172 each, and another $18 each for coating = a bit over 2 billion dollars.  connector / spacer plates (for 12 inch on center .. leaves a 3 inch gap between pipes) will cost another $180 million.  sunk to a depth of 15 feet and set in concrete will require about 4.5 million yards of concrete @ about $80 per yard is another $360 million bucks.  So for materials we are looking at about $2.6B 

At $500 labor per pipe to be placed, installation would cost about $5. billion.

That is a total cost of $7.6 billion ... double that because it is government and we are at $15.2 billion ...

seems pretty doable.  It even gets a couple US steel mills back in operation, hires hundreds of welders, etc ....

would be one of the few times I felt my tax dollars were being spent wisely.



d edwards's picture

On the scale of government spending $15b is a rounding error. Build the f ing wall!

Lynn Trainor's picture

"Good fences make good neighbors."

Threnody's picture

The revolution was about taxes and on what the state should be spending the life efforts of the people.  (Common goods only) 

The wall is about demographic change that determines voting that determines taxes and on what the state should be spending the life efforts of the people. 

The tyranny of the king was forcibly thrown off to achieve real freedom and law as justice in a republic.  

And now the tyranny of the corrupted state will either be enlarged by influx of collectivist minded beneficiaries of state redistribution, on average, or we will attempt to stem that tide, and hopefully return to some degree in the direction of freedom and justice. 

If there was no current blind approval of the state selling market advantages on one hand and stealing some people's life efforts to give to others on the other hand, there would be little concern about who or how many to add to the melting pot.  But law as only justice was abandoned in the early to mid 20th century, and the false philanthropy of the state and market cronyism of the state has been destroying the US ever since.   

Posa's picture

Since in recent years more Americans emmigrate to Mexico than the other way around this entire exercise is asinine... apparently a Trump Specialty... this is not a brief for Open Borders... but it shows a perverted sense of priorities

Swamidon's picture

Violate your visa in any other country is serious trouble.  The Wall is a symbol that says we're going to enforce our immigration laws and 20 million wetbacks better go home now or work 6 months on the County Farm before they go.

I Feel a little Qeasy's picture

..'so many are too paralyzed to say it, or do not care, or embrace what is happening to their country.'

It's not paralysis, or lack of care, it's called brainwashing. In its current state (mass murdering foreign peoples) I trully hope you (the US) do not survive. Enjoy languishing in the shitter.

powaymojo's picture

I see a lot of things in here that the Native Americans might find hysterical.

Ah, the irony now that the shoe is on the other foot.