400,000 Fewer Americans Enrolled In Obamacare For 2017

Tyler Durden's picture

Despite The Democrats decrying the Trump administration for its efforts to repeal and replace President Obama's Affordable Care Act, it seems around 400,000 fewer Americans decided for themselves that Obamacare wasn't for them in 2017.

As Axios reports, Obamacare enrollment for this year appears to have ended slightly down from last year, according to enrollment numbers released this afternoon by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.

The agency said about 9.2 million people signed up in the 39 states that use the federal HealthCare.gov website by Jan. 31.

 

While that's not a total enrollment figure, 9.6 million people signed up through that website at the end of last year's open enrollment.

It's the first indication that the Trump administration's opposition to the law, and its decision to pull TV advertising, may have had an impact, since the pace of enrollment had been ahead of last year's until mid-January.

For context:

  • New customers in 2017: 3 million
  • New customers in 2016: 4 million

Just before the numbers were released, an HHS spokesman from the Trump team released a statement declaring that "Obamacare has failed the American people, with one broken promise after another."

“As noted in the report today from [the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services], premiums in the ACA marketplace have increased 25 percent while the number of insurers has declined 28 percent over the past year,” he added.

 

“We look forward to providing relief to those who are being harmed by the status quo and pursuing patient-centered solutions that will work for the American people.”

As The Hill adds, The Trump administration did not release enrollment numbers for all 50 states, so it is not clear how the nationwide signup numbers compare to the Obama administration’s target of 13.8 million signups across all 50 states. The administration said it would release more information on nationwide enrollment in March.

Democrats pointed to a drop-off in signups at the end of the enrollment period as evidence that the Trump administration's cancelation of ads hurt sign-ups.

  • Federal marketplace signups, Jan. 15-31, 2017: 376,260
  • Federal marketplace signups, Jan. 24-31, 2016: 686,708

So what the Democrats are saying is that without spending millions to advertize the benefits of Obamacare - after years of discussion and explanation - notably fewer people are interested in it, or believe they need it (or are willing to spend money on it).

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Giant Meteor's picture

Notably fewer people can afford it ...

TBT or not TBT's picture

aaaand here is the main reason not even the supporters call it by its name, "Affordable" "Care" Act.   

Pure Evil's picture

If Obama really cared he'd pay my premiums and deductibles.

Giant Meteor's picture

Extortion is only illegal apparently, when non-connected citizens do it ... The government? Not so much ...

ebworthen's picture

Exactly.

I went from "Silver" to "Bronze" because premiums went up 45%.

The bailed out ACA writing Insurance companies can go fuck themselves!

Get rid of the IRS TAX!  Trash the mandate!  Without choice there is no Democracy or Choice!

Let's see the Insurance C.E.O.'s take $1 in salary for the next 4 years, the fucks, bet that won't fly. 

boattrash's picture

400,000 fewer huh?

1. They had it in 2016 but didn't survive it...or

2. They don't expect Obama Care to survive 2017.

Chris Dakota's picture
Chris Dakota (not verified) boattrash Feb 4, 2017 1:19 AM

lol

Never reported: 7.5 million can't afford Obamacare and paid 1.5 billion in fines/tax to the IRS.

Another reason Trump won.

He better remove the fine.

xythras's picture
xythras (not verified) Chris Dakota Feb 4, 2017 1:21 AM

There should be a class action lawsuit against Obama for hatching that idiot bill

300,000 Small Business Jobs Lost Due to Obamacare

http://dailywesterner.com/news/300000-small-business-jobs-lost-due-to-ob...

Chris Dakota's picture
Chris Dakota (not verified) xythras Feb 4, 2017 1:22 AM

My husband and I pay the fine, but for the past two years they automatically enrolled him without his permission so they can boost numbers of enrolled.

He doesn't pay and they kick him off in January.

they didn't enroll me because I caused a riot with them when they kicked me off because I complained about the care and my two friends who fucking DIED due to it.

new game's picture

chris, really, you paid that extortion tax. how unamerican...

BarkingCat's picture

If it is the federal exchange then you got enrolled because someone, probably you or your husband, went to the website to get a quote.

That website was seriously screwed up in 2015. Tons of problems but they his as much as they could from the press. This were seriously fucked up and CMS (agency that runs Obamacare) was under extreme political pressure to fix things.

This never made the news as far as I know but sometime in 2015 some of the top people at CMS that were involved in Obamacare left. These were the actual experts that were intelligent and diligent-  not your stereotypical government drones. They simply decided that they have had enough. They got a pile of shit thrown on their plates and then were getting hsmmered by Obama's political hacks because of the problems. 

Some people however got very wealthy from this disaster.  The company that created the website made out like bandits. Then all the vendors that had to work on making that pile of garbage also did very well.

Withdrawn Sanction's picture

And how many lied, saying they were insured when they weren't thereby avoiding the fine and the premium....

new game's picture

millions! moar the better. mayheim to the irs as understaffed...

Chris Dakota's picture
Chris Dakota (not verified) ebworthen Feb 4, 2017 1:25 AM

I pay the fine, its cheaper and its a protest.

Bronze is worthless if you really get sick.

I roll the dice as I always have, put the money to paying off my mortgage.

new game's picture

smart comment. doing the same. by not having medical insurance i save 500-1000/month and expend some of that saving towards healthy food, essential oils and exercise.

but the financial part is paying huge rewards as i apply this saving toward the mortgage. with 50 percentage(and decreasing rapidly) loan to value ratio, i can tap the money via a heloc in place in case of emergency. three fold benifit, rapid amort paydown, savings account at 3.25 percent roi(like a saving accout) and most importantly not participating is the scam of health insurance...

ArthurDaley-OldieTimeTrader's picture

Chris make sure you've got an income stream then when the hyper inflation comes you'll owe next to nothing with "Tomorrow's" dollars on the house you bought yesterday!  Trying not to get sick too also helps..

new game's picture

hyper inflation, hows that working out in japan? uuuuuuuuuuuuuuge assumption, ignores month to month cash flow today! stupid ass comment...

ArthurDaley-OldieTimeTrader's picture

Ask a girl if she can be a little bit preganant? Well we both know the answer to that. You go from being not pregnant to pregnant in less than 1hour.

Consider the current greatest experiment of financial wizardry with the worlds QE. This experiment which is going so swimmingly relies on the thought processes of the Economic Elite of 4 central banks & The BIS. Trillions and quadrillions of dollars are hanging on the outcome of these Doctors of Economics. With the size of funds involved a 1% rounding error in judgement blows the whole system up. 1% of a quadrillion = 1 with 13 zeros behind it.  1% error of the $200 Trillion (a sum of) the total world wide debt = $2 Trillion. So now smartie pants tell me how this doesn't blow up?

 

If you want to get back to fundamentals btw Willem Middelkoop in his book "The Big Reset" explains three ways to pay off the debt.

1) Inflate away the debt

2) Default on the debt

3) Grow your way out.

 

2 is  unpalatable . 3 the world is unable, thus only 1 is left.  Hyperinflation is coming.  Bank on it..

 

The problem is we're probably going to get 30-40% unemployment along with the coming debt collapse. So making sure you've an income is paramount..

HRH Feant's picture
HRH Feant (not verified) Feb 3, 2017 9:06 PM

There is one easy solution to medical insurance: allow it to be sold across state borders.

Allowing states to have insurance monopolies is dysfunctional and no longer necessary.

If I can buy car insurance online, across state borders, I should be able to buy health insurance the same way.

BabaLooey's picture

+1,000

But....THAT would make too much sense......eh HRH...?

Fucking cunt politicians and ROBBER insurance bastards...............

fnord's picture

That solves shit.

 

But try reframing the problem. Medical insurance isn't the problem, nor is the cost of medical insurance, it's how we use it.

 

There's an easier solution to medical care. Stop fucking using insurance for maintenance and start using it for insurance. Stop conflating insurance and care. Start enforcing antitrust legislation on providers and insurers. Cost of medical care and health insurance fixes itself.

Billy the Poet's picture

Increased competition and the ability for individuals to consider more alternatives reduces costs and improves quality. But the rest of your statement is reasonable.

fnord's picture

I'm fine with competition in a normal environment to benefit the consumer. And I'm all for a competitive market. Repeal the ACA and maybe it helps.

But under the ACA theres a Medical Loss Ratio, or in essence a maximum profit margin. So what's easier in any business, reducing your costs per customer & increasing customer base, or increasing your costs/customer? Seems like the MLR incentivizes inefficiency rather than competition. Want to increase your bottom line by 10%, is it easier to increase your costs by 10% or to decrease them by 10% and increase your customer base by 20%. I'd guess selling across state lines delays price increases for 2 years tops before we're on the same path.

The across state lines sales would just be a bandaid. Much like statins and insulin. We can change our lifestyles to change our body chemsitry and improve our health, but most of us prefer a pill or two. Seems most of us adopt the same mindset with in comes to health insurance and would rather pay than change our lifestyle

BennyBoy's picture

 

How about making health insurance illegal.

Watch all med costs drop by 80%.

new game's picture

by shopping with cash the saving are 50 percent. i know this to be true. i do it.

fuk the middle man scam of insurance/provider bullshit. cash is still king and gets the attention of health care billing staffs.

try it...

ArthurDaley-OldieTimeTrader's picture

As all the US 1% Elite likes globalisation allow get the US government to fund Indian and Thailand healthcare providers to set up shop in the US to provide full coverage in the USA. So immediate attention items get done in the US heart operations get taken care of in Kolkata  Offer the insurance at 1/3rd the rate of Obamacare then everyone would flock to the competition. Call it the American Indian Health Hybrid Insurance policy. My wife had a surgical procedure that required 2 day stay at a local hospital. Cost $40,000 + In India that would have been $6,000. When we start getting real competition then all of a sudden those CEO / CFOs of Blue Cross / Blue Shield will find a way to sharpen their pencils..  Trust me they will find a way to make cheaper insurance..

HRH Feant's picture
HRH Feant (not verified) fnord Feb 3, 2017 10:41 PM

Okay.

Darkthirty's picture

And you're braindead. The cost is to pay for "folks" and illegals that will not work. You pay their bills out of your pocket, you ignorant fuck.

Duc888's picture

 

 

Auto Insurance:

 

Basic liability in New Haven county in CT for my vehicle costs me $1100 a year

Same coverage in southern New Hampshire costs me $206 a year.

Auto ins is mandatory in CT.  Not so in NH.

HRH Feant's picture
HRH Feant (not verified) Duc888 Feb 3, 2017 10:40 PM

My point was that I can call any number of car insurance companies, or search online, from around the country to provide insurance for my auto. It isn't fucking rocket science. It is a business contract.

As for how much you pay in auto insurance based upon where you live? If you live in CT (and I have family members that live in that shitty state) it might be time to think about packing up and moving.

Giant Meteor's picture

As I mentioned up top, pure extortion rackets, and people be pissed, perhaps to their breaking point.

damicol's picture

Why stop at State lines.

 go International.

 

I get health cover from Prudential in UK. No deductibles, worldwide coverage  dental ocular and everything included and much less than half obuttfuckers shit.

Set up a corporation online, Cost less than $20 for a Ltd Company. Applied though that. So simple.

https://www.gov.uk/topic/company-registration-filing/starting-company

nmewn's picture

But but but...what just happened?

Are we saying MILLIONS did not sign up because they felt they would no longer be...COMPELLED TO BY THE FORCE OF LAW?

BabaLooey's picture

nmewn......many times I read what you write.....and simply up arrow yours and don't post, as it would be basically the same....

THIS...is yet another of those times....

nmewn's picture

These statist assholes I swear, we've got a confirmed 400,000 now who said nope, fuck you since Trump was elected. Then there's this...

"However, it is important to note that the administration’s coverage >>>estimates are based on survey data rather than calculating >>>the actual change<<< in coverage in different markets. Though surveys can provide useful information, they are not as precise as using enrollment data taken directly from insurance companies."

...basically their numbers are full of shit.

 http://dailysignal.com/2016/12/09/its-not-true-obamacare-insures-20-mill...

BarkingCat's picture

They don't need to take surveys.

The federal government has the numbers available in their system.

They have Ascenture run the exchange.  They can get a report within a day by simply telling Ascenture they want it; and that is in case they don't already have it.

nmewn's picture

Correct.

Its a farce wrapped in a lie inside a cruel joke, they can tell us how much we "legally" made down to the fucking penny because our boss is forced to report it by them but they can't tell us how many were forced to buy health insurance through their intricately designed yet idiotic "insurance market exchanges"?  

I just got that dumbass 1090whateverthefuckform my company is FORCED to send me in the mail because Obama/Reid/Pelosi MANDATED they send (under the threat of penalty/fine) to me...to PROVE...to the IRS...that I have health insurance.

Jesus Christ...just think about that...I have to prove...to the IRS...a tax collector (of ALL the bloated, stupefying, overly complex federal agencies to be compelled to having to prove anything at all to)...that I have private health insurance?! Its none of their damned business whether I do or not, just like its none of their damned business if I have car or mortgage insurance or what I have in my refrigerator.

Its a bureaucratic redtape nightmare come true for them...jobs jobs jobs.

Nobody For President's picture

A farce wrapped in a lie inside a cruel joke.

Now that's some mighty fine writin' on a (for me) gray and rainy morning.

Thankee kindly nmewn.

That calls for a glass of wine to chase the coffee,...

Duc888's picture

Trump argued that the government cannot compel commercial activity, even as part of a large regulatory scheme, because the Constitution protects everyone’s right to purchase a lawful good or not to purchase one. He also asserted that ObamaCare does not make economic sense because its regulation of the practice of medicine and its administration of health insurance have resulted in a diminution of choices for consumers, which in turn has raised premiums, as well as deductibles, and chased primary care physicians from the marketplace. The Obama mantra that you could keep your doctor and your health insurance under ObamaCare proved to be patently false, Trump argued.

When Trump promised that as president -- on “day one” -- he would begin to dismantle ObamaCare, some Republicans, many members of the press and most Democrats laughed at him. They are laughing no longer because the first executive order he signed on Jan. 20 directed those in the federal government who enforce ObamaCare to do so expecting that it will soon not exist.

He ordered that regulations already in place be enforced with a softer, more beneficent tone, and he ordered that no penalty, fine, setoff or tax be imposed by the IRS on any person or entity who is not complying with the individual mandate, because by the time taxes are due on April 15, the IRS will be without authority to impose or collect the non-tax tax, as the individual mandate will no longer exist. Why take money from people that will soon be returned?

Then he ordered a truly revolutionary act, the likes of which I have never seen in the 45 years I have studied and monitored the government’s laws and its administration of them. He ordered that when bureaucrats who are administering and enforcing the law have discretion with respect to the time, place, manner and severity of its enforcement, they should exercise that discretion in favor of individuals and against the government.

This is radical coming from any president in the modern era of government-can-do-no-wrong. It is far more Thomas Jefferson, the small-government champion with whom Trump has never been associated, than it is Theodore Roosevelt, the super-regulator whom Trump has stated he admires. It recognizes the primacy and dignity of the individual and the fallibility of the state. It acknowledges the likely demise of ObamaCare. It is utterly without precedent since Jefferson’s presidency.

Trump’s revolutionary act is a breeze of freedom on a sea of regulation. It recognizes something modern governments never admit -- that they can be and have been wrong. It is exactly as Trump promised.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/01/26/andrew-napolitano-trump-has-co...


itstippy's picture

Even if you have a low income and get full government subsidies, Obamacare still costs about $300 per month for crummy insurance with a high deductible.  For that money you could lease a brand new KIA or similar car.  If you were young and healthy and considered yourself indestructible, as most young people do, which would you choose?  

Without the Individual Mandate penalty very few young, healthy people will enroll in Obamacare and the already tenuous math with collapse completely.

Duc888's picture

It's a tax that goes into a slush fund. If a young healthy person is a basement dweller with no prospect of meaningful employment then the "penalty" will never be collected.

fnord's picture

Far better than a Kia. I'm pretty good at tuning out commercials but I think I see in the $400s for Lexus. Hell, I know I see sub $200 for Honda.

But on the premiums. Remember the premium on gold or platinum plans? Cause, for my situation,  when I was looking before deciding to drop out, $270/mo with $6500 deductible and max out of pocket, or $420-480/mo with under $1000 deductible and max out of pocket. If I'm healthy I pay $3200 a year and $6500 more if something happens, hoping nothing happens. If I'm not healthy I just go gold or platinum. Pay a little under 7K a year and that's it. The ACA is a piece of garbage.

And as far as I'm concerned there is no real penalty. "The IRS routinely works with taxpayers who owe amounts they cannot afford to pay. The law prohibits the IRS from using liens or levies to collect any individual shared responsibility payment. However, if you owe a shared responsibility payment, the IRS may offset that liability against any tax refund that may be due to you." Just make sure your payments and withholdings check out.

PresidentCamacho's picture

itstippy,

I really think obamacare was designed to cover up the collapse of our healthcare system as it is anyway. We were deindustrialized and  full time jobs are what paid for healthcare, the decline of the middle class was going to wipe out our healthcare system and this giant fucking plague of a healthcare law was just a patch, now that it is dying we will see some more of the american carnage that has been done to our contry by the fucking crooked elite who are harvesting us

 

Withdrawn Sanction's picture

So let's see...$3,000 to $10,000(ish) for annual premiums, dep on plan selected and no. covered.   Deductibles of say $2,000 to $5,000 (higher for low premium plans and lower for high premium plans).  So if we take the midpoints of each, the typical enrollee is looking at about $10K/year in out of pocket expenses before insurance pays dime one.  Then each 80 cents of coverage it DOES pay is matched by another 20 cents from the "insured"under the typical co-pay scheme.  

Insurance is supposed insure against (i.e., prevent) catastophic losses...not be the cause of them.  

Americans may not be the brightest bulbs in the string, but they apparently know economic irrationality when they see it.  Good on them for giving this pig-in-a-poke the snub.

Son of Loki's picture

Obamacare is a disaster and all the lies from the media simply confirm they are not to be trusted.

Whether cnn, npr, etc brag about Obamacare or Hitlery's chances of winning, they lie.

Jobs reports....lies

Robust recovery... lies

GDP growth ... lies

Inflation ... lies

Obamacare needs abolishment and replacement. Luckily I am no longer forced to buy it since zero of my doctors accept it. Now I have other alternatives better priced with better coverage.

Obama and Gruber, Pelosi and Reed should apologize to Americans.

Giant Meteor's picture

I don't believe an apology, which will never be forthcoming, is good enough. I know that it will never happen, but some people truly do need to make restitution, or be locked up. Perhaps both. Is it any wonder that people are ready to do violence?

Duc888's picture

Governments business is to lie, once you navigate over that speed bump then everything else makes sense and falls into place.

kochevnik's picture

The function of intelligence agencies like CIA and KGB is to make you lie to yourself.  Then you are human capital for them

CosmicSauce's picture

Because 400,000 poor people died...

Hospitals, a good place to die.