The Bigger Picture of Trump’s Muslim Ban

George Washington's picture

Whether you love or hate Trump’s “Muslim ban” (it’s actually a temporary 3-month ban, except for Syrians), there’s a bigger picture …

CNN notes:

The seven Muslim-majority countries targeted in President Trump’s executive order on immigration were initially identified as “countries of concern” under the Obama administration.

 

White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer on Sunday pointed to the Obama administration’s actions as the basis for their selection of the seven countries. Trump’s order bars citizens from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen from entering the U.S. for the next 90 days.

 

“There were further travel restrictions already in place from those seven countries,” Spicer said on ABC’s “This Week.”

6 out of the 7 countries on the list – Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Syria – were targeted for regime change by the U.S. 25 years ago. Specifically,   (Indeed, the U.S. previously carried out coups to implement regime change in these countries numerous times in the past.)

The 7th country – Lebanon – dodged a bullet, and Yemen replaced it.

But the world’s leading sponsors of terror are not on the list …

CNN notes:

In the hours after its release, many questioned why the list omitted other countries with direct links to those terror attacks. The 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, the United Arab Emirates and Lebanon.

In fact, British intelligence officer, British ambassador to Uzbekistan, and chancellor of the University of Dundee Craig Murray points out (based on numbers from the Cato Institute) that the dangerous countries are not on the list … while those who haven’t attacked Americans in the United States are on the list:

Saudi Arabia – which is not on the list – is the world’s largest sponsor of radical Islamic terrorists. The Saudis have backed ISIS and many other brutal terrorist groups. And the most pro-ISIS tweets allegedly come from Saudi Arabia.

 

Saudi Arabia is the hotbed of the most radical Muslim terrorists in the world: the Salafis (both ISIS and Al Qaeda are Salafis). And top American terrorism experts say that U.S. support for brutal and tyrannical countries in the Middle east – like Saudi Arabia – is one of the top motivators for Arab terrorists.

So whether you love or hate the idea of banning radical Islamic jihadis from the U.S. , the fact is that Trump – using a list compiled by Obama (in turn largely compiled by Neoconservatives pushing regime change 25 years ago) – is banning people from the wrong countries.

Postscript: Admittedly, there are ISIS jihadis in Syria, Libya and Iraq. But they are only there because the U.S. and our allies created the conditions that allowed them to form and then metastasize. Neither ISIS nor Al Qaeda were in those countries before the Iraq and Libyan wars and the U.S. and its allies started supporting Syrian “rebels“.

In all 3 countries, the governments hate the jihadis because the jihadis are fighting – and trying to bring down – the governments.  This is the opposite of governments like Saudi Arabia which actively back terrorists.

As for Iran, the CIA admits that the U.S. overthrew the moderate, suit-and-tie-wearing, Democratically-elected prime minister of Iran in 1953. He was overthrown because he had nationalized Iran’s oil, which had previously been controlled by BP and other Western oil companies. As part of that action, the CIA admits that it hired Iranians to pose as Communists and stage bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its prime minister. If the U.S. hadn’t overthrown the moderate Iranian government, the fundamentalist Mullahs would have never taken over.

And we're busy creating a lot of new terrorists in Yemen.

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Aireannpure's picture

Can we ever go to Middle Eastern countries and STOP the Muslim race thing? It all began in 1948.

 

Mustafa Kemal's picture

GW, Dont forget. Its not a "muslim" ban!

Mustafa Kemal's picture

"Can we ever go to Middle Eastern countries and STOP the Muslim race thing?"

It would be simple. Stop bombing and regime change, bring the troops home, return the refugees to their homelands with some of the money we save from MIC budget. Quite simple

"It all began in 1948.""

I think more like 1095

As the red-leg said on Outlaw Josey Wales, There aint no end to doin right

Winston Smith 2009's picture

"I think more like 1095"

Yeah, sure. Here's your education on that Crusades as justifcation for revenge BS. BTW, no religion in the video, just huge amounts of FACTS. The guy's an atheist.

The Truth About The Crusades

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ilFbbk9jw4

Just a map (the Muslim conquest battles shown were all BEFORE the Crusades):

http://madworldnews.com/wp-content/uploads/68909_1059025257457462_300940...

 

1.21 jigawatts's picture

Ban the money changers!  110!

heresy101's picture

Trump is a phony fraud unless he applies the Bolshevik solution to Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwair, and UAE. Just as there will NEVER be a another Romanav Czar, these barbarians need to disappear from the earth!

Every one of the House of Saud and other "royal" families and their Wahhabist Imams should be hung, cremated, and the ashes scattered over the vast sand of the ME to never be seen again. They have been spreading Wahhabism throughout the world and funding ISIS et al. Catepillar D9s should level all their royal palaces, their Rolls & Ferraris run throught the giant car grinder, and all their trillions in assets seized. Take all their money to rebuild schools (for boys & girls), hospitals, and houses for working people throughout the ME.

If this is too extreme for Trump's senses, just let the Filipinos and Indonesian workers leave and then Nuke Riydah and Doha. Don't touch Mecca & Medina because they have meaning to non-Wahhabist Muslims.

tripletail's picture

Saudi Arabia? 9/11 hijackers? Are you serious? There were no hijackers. The Saudis were just part of the con, together with the US, Israel and a few of the usual idiots.

Ever heard of the petro dollar policy? Kissinger? Good grief. It's stunning people still need to be schooled on such simple history.

So petro dollar policy + 9/11 cover story participant = no visa ban for the Saudis, no matter how evil there are in reality.

Indonesia was left out too. And who else?

That said, it's hilarious that the 9/11-Saudi Arabia-Lawsuit law almost passed --- a pre-coordinated event, no doubt. And, then, a Saudi minister wrote a London op-ed dropping strong hints about the 9/11 con.

GW, you used to be somebody. You used to be a contender. And, now?

screw face's picture

....see #Ethoipa

...see#Eritrea

...zero media attention.

....hummm!

Windemup's picture

What? they weren't bombing the Saudis? What's with that?

Amagnonx's picture

Trump continues to move ahead.  This is a good start.  Saudi is too dangerous to act against in the opening move - that would be foolhardy - they have been trying to bankrupt Iran, Russia and USA by over supplying oil.  They are still a problem.  Have to wait a bit.

Fathead Slim's picture
Fathead Slim (not verified) Feb 4, 2017 3:41 PM

The real problem with the EO is that it isn't an act of Congress banning muslim immigration indefinitely. For that, we'll have to wait and put pressure on our individual Congress critters.

IProtectYou's picture

But the world’s leading sponsors of terror are not on the list …

 

Exactly, and no one has asked him, why are they not banned???

WTFUD's picture

Saudi pumped big lucre into Hillary's Campaign and so why is it not obvious to DT that they are members of the Cabal?

EemieMeanieMinieMoe's picture

Don't ever ever shake hands with a Saudi. As is custom in civilized world, folks shake right hands. The right hand is the one that Saudi's use to wipe their ass after taking a shit (sans toilet paper or anything other that bare skin) which they then subsequently utilize sand to remove most of the shit from between their fingers from their hand & under their fingernails. Saw one once pull up his "skirt" & piss in the floor of a Lockeed 1011 while standing outside the RR door because it was 'occupied'......in flight. Couldn't wait, I guess. Disgusting folks.  

WTFUD's picture

I don't know i can remember GW Bush tonguing King Abdullah while holding hands, probably licked his ring indoors too.

Those Canadian libtardic fucks are protesting Trump while their Libtard Govt. sell WMD's to Saudi; Ain't life just grand? I'd like to baseball bat those MoFo's.

Taint Boil's picture

That first picture above should be plastered all over the world.

coltek's picture

Th beatings will continue until morale improves...

JailBanksters's picture

I think Yemen was swapped in because Lebanon ran out of Brocolli

and Yemen started becoming a big player in LNG

This list was drawn up before Dubya invaded Iraq and before 911.

Back when Terrorism was no where near the level it is Today.

 

 

Mustafa Kemal's picture

Interesting to note how the seven countries that we were going to take out, ala Wolfiwitz is almost identical to the list of the seven in the ban. Just swap Yemen in for Lebanon.

And he said, "I just got this down from upstairs" -- meaning the Secretary of Defense's office -- "today." And he said, "This is a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran."

TheVoicesInYourHead's picture

Expand the ban list! Expand the ban list! Expand the ban list!

Small Government Is Better's picture

President Trump should declare martial law, and then close the borders.  Period.

Then, President Trump should tell the Democrats and the Judiciary that as Chief Executive this was his prudent judgment to keep America safe, and that he will change his actions when they get out of the way and allow control of who enters the USA.

Oh by the way, in Winter the USA depends upon massive shipments of food products grown in warmer climates.

Closing the borders will slow down the shipments of these goods (or stop them).  Some food shortages will start occurring in days.  President Trump should inform his adversaries via TV broadcast  that if they do not act promptly, this is their problem.  He is acting in a prudent manner to prevent jihadis from entering America with malevolent intent.

Essentially, it is time to play the game of put up or shut up.  Trump was elected the chief executive officer for America.  We are now 2 weeks past the time for these obstructionists to get the Hell out of the way.  As chief executive, Trump is expected to enforce existing law, and that is what he is trying to do.  

Fathead Slim's picture

Oh, fuck. Why didn't he think of that? Could it be because only a fucking mongoloid would think of that? Yeah, I think that's it.

Nevermind that your (brain fart) idea would be likely to crash the US economy. Other than that, what could go wrong?

Jim in MN's picture

Oh for fuck's sake.  It's barely week two of the Administration.  You really think there's an overarching Middle East or global strategy at this point?

Please.  This is the part of the chess game where you retrieve all the pieces and put them where they go to start.  Trump just noticed some crud on the board.  He swept it aside.

Now, pray, let's begin to play.

Urban Redneck's picture

I was assuming the question in George's title was rhetorical...

Perhaps the authors are getting as dumb as some of the commenters (excepting oilprice.com & SHTF plan which almost always make the dumbest of the peanut gallery appear as intellectual giants when juxtaposed).

Anyway the three word answer to the rhetorical question is divide et impera.

I really hope no one is seriously suggesting that the neocon never Trumpers and the Soros SJWs should be allowed align publicly against Trump.

A gambit is a series of moves, not a single move, and only the opening of a strategy.  

Patience isn't a virtue it's a lost art (around here).  

And chess clocks are for counting time, not fapping.  

dogfish's picture

Saudi Arabia is a US allie what the fuck is so hard to understand,they do what they are told to do by the west thats how they survive.

ChemtrailPilot's picture

Hmmm yes zero Americans killed by Iraqis since 1975, seems accurate.

That said, people pushing this "they're the wrong countries" narrative are yet again playing right into Trump's hands. Thing is, now that he's made his opponents admit that no, THESE are the countries that the dangerous Muslim terrorists come from they'll have zero leg to stand on when he cheerfully adds them to the list.

jfb's picture

The list is about American citizens kiilled on US soil by people born abroad, it is based mostly on thiis source:

https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/terrorism-immigration-...

It was written in September 2016. Of course if you add US soldiers killed on foreign soil thr Iraqis would win the trophee, and if you extend the period to 1940-2015 perhaps Germany would have supplied the largest contingent of terrorists

rwe2late's picture

 Your comment is idiotic.

Since when is killing foreign soldiers who invaded your country an act of "terrorism"?

The discussion is about granting visas to enter the USA to citizens of nations from which

"terrorists" have previously entered the USA and killed US citizens on US soil.

TheRealBilboBaggins's picture

The objections to Trump's action are just the sort of pro forma objections one offers when one has nothing to say. It is pretty clear the Obama admin considered these people dangerous as well. Iran probably gets on that list because they are building a nuke and the rockets to carry it. Oh, I guess no one around this thread remembers that Iran is the number one state sponsor of terrorism in the world, and Iran needs to learn how to play well with other nations.

A judge will overturn the injunction from the Washington judge. Trump will have his way on this. We will be safer for it.

Have a good night, all.

TheRealBilboBaggins

Fathead Slim's picture
Fathead Slim (not verified) TheRealBilboBaggins Feb 4, 2017 3:36 PM

"Iran probably gets on that list because they are building a nuke and the rockets to carry it. "

Oh....yeah. Who DON'T fucking know that? Right?

God help us. The number of TV mesmerized mongoloids who out themselves here seems to increase exponentially day by day.

Mr Kurtz's picture

I suspect that more acts of "state sponsored terrorism" originate out of Washington DC and Tel Aviv then Tehran. But keeping drinking that MSM kool-aid brought to you courtesy of the Deep State.

Radical Marijuana's picture

Yes, the article above was, surprisingly, one of the stupidest yet from George Washington, due to the superficiality of its analysis of "terrorists."

The ONLY entities that exist throughout Globalized Neolithic Civilization are different kinds of organized crime gangs, based upon more or less organized systems of lies operating robberies. One merely has to look at how big any entity is to determine the degree to which that entity was a sufficiently successful organized crime gang. At the present time, the Anglo-American (Zionist) Empire is the most dominate. However, at the same time, Islam continues to also be organized crime gangs, based on relatively old-fashioned psychotic bullshit, i.e., Mohamed is the last prophet of God, whose words must be accepted as the ultimate and final truth.

Globalized Neolithic Civilization is ALL based on the development of increasingly sophisticated and integrated systems of lies backed by violence. The biggest and best organized gangs of criminals are able to legalize their lies, and back those up with legalized violence, which otherwise does NOT change the underlying problem that being able to back up lies with violence does NOT stop those lies from still being false. Everything happening in geopolitics are struggles between different organized crime gangs, particularly between the locally most dominate organized crime gangs. However, ALL of those developments are publicly "debated" within the overall context of the degree to which the biggest and best organized crime gangs are able to dominate societies, such that they are able to publicly promote the social stories which assert that they are NOT organized crime gangs, (or terrorists), but that ONLY some others are ...

The primary drivers of current geopolitical events are the attempts being made by the best organized crime gangs (the international bankers), operating through the biggest organized crime gangs (NATO), to consolidate their global hegemony over the monetary systems, in order to thereby control access to natural resources. Within that context, Islamic countries were among the last to be conquered by Western Imperialisms in general, which became most dominated by the Anglo-America (Zionist) Empire. Resistance to those developments have ended up taking the form of the atavistic resurgence of Islamic states.

Globalized Neolithic Civilization has developed into an objectively hopeless condition, due to everything becoming based on enforced frauds, which exponentially advancing technologies have enabled to become exponentially more fraudulent. Within that overall context, the so-called "War on Terror" was started by inside job, false flag attacks, which were intended to become self-fulfilling prophesies, that engendered enough blowback consequences to get those going, until they became unstoppable. There are NO "solutions" possible within the established frames of reference, wherein everything is misunderstood using the DUALITIES of false fundamental dichotomies, and the related impossible ideals.

Rather, what is theoretically necessary would be to use more UNITARY MECHANISMS in order to better understand how and why human beings and civilization necessarily operate through the principles and methods of organized crime, in order to develop better dynamic equilibria between the different systems of organized lies operating robberies. However, in the Western World the dominate State Religions are the combined money/murder systems, which are endeavouring to become totally consolidated on a globalize scale, which would require wiping out all organized resistance, despite that goal becoming an increasingly psychotic objective. The Western State Religions taking the forms the monetary system and national security are especially in conflict with the Islamic State Religions.

In all current cases, it is politically impossible to have any relatively rational public debates. Rather, we can only wait and watch as those conflicts become exponentially insane! MORE & MORE, the Western monetary systems are based upon public governments enforcing frauds by private banks, in ways which are becoming exponentially fraudulent. Those monetary systems are backed up by murder systems based on the maximum possible deceits and treacheries, which particularly include the history of the ways that various wars were routinely started by false flag attacks, including the so-called "War on Terror," which has devolved to primarily become an expression of the conflicts between the Western State Religions and the Islamic State Religions.

The article above presented a bunch of presumptions regarding "terrorism" which were quite disappointing, given the degree to which many previous articles associated with the George Washington Blog have emphasized the significance of false flag attacks throughout history. Overall, Globalized Neolithic Civilization is based on the abilities of some human beings to control other human beings through backing up lies with violence, whose most important manifestations have become the ways that public governments enforce frauds by private banks, in order to control access to natural resources. Those methods of human control are spinning out of any human control, due to the longer term consequences of their inherently psychotic characteristics, namely that, BEING ABLE TO ENFORCE FRAUDS NEVER STOPS THOSE FROM STILL BEING FRAUDULENT!

Since the Middles Eastern areas had significant natural resources, the conflicts over controlling access to those natural resources have become proportionately significant. Ironically, Globalized Neolithic Civilization, which spread out from the Middle Eastern areas, through European areas, and then around the whole world, to include North America, etc., is returning to the Middle Eastern areas, as demonstrated by the reverberations in those regions. Natural selection pressures have driven the development of artificial selections systems to become as dishonest as those could possibly become, while those are still attempting to become exponentially more dishonest. The dominate human cultures were able to become most dominate by having historically been the most dishonest, which has resulted in their innate trends towards runaway social insanities. Since all of the dominate countries, corporations and churches are dominated by their own varies of the best available professional hypocrites, everything being done is publicly presented in ways which are quite absurdly backwards to what actually exists.

"War on Terror" has become the multifaceted manifestations of exponentially increasing dishonesties, due to the long history of successful warfare based on deceits and treacheries, becoming the foundation for successful finance based on enforcing frauds. Within that context, various old-fashioned forms of the biggest bullies' bullshit, such as Islam, are in increasing conflicts with the more modernized biggest bullies' bullshit in the Western World. Meanwhile, the article above, as is typically the case with most publicly significant publications, pitches itself as if it accepts some of the levels of that bullshit as NOT being bullshit, i.e., accepts some level of what was actually a false flag attack as NOT being false.

Overall, Globalized Neolithic Civilization is drowning under its own bullshit, as that bullshit continues to be spouted at exponentially increasing rates. OVER & OVER, the underlying issues are that being able to back up lies with violence never stops those lies from still being false. Therefore, the better that any society becomes at backing up its lies with violence, the more psychotically false society as a whole becomes. The conflicts between different factions of the original Neolithic Civilization have become increasingly globalized. Hence, the psychotically false views of the Judaeo-Christian traditions are in conflict with the psychotically false views of the Islamic traditions.

Due to the long, long history of social successfulness based on being able to enforce frauds, and particularly the successfulness of strategies based upon deceits and treacheries, the "War on Terror" has become more and more tangled up into a Gordian Knot of apparently infinite tunnels of dishonesties, wound and wound around and through each other ... In that context, there are almost NO public debates that are not based upon taking one or another level of those lies for granted, as if those were the truth upon which to base subsequent analysis.

In my view, the article above was surprisingly pathetic in the degree to which it collapsed to doing that, despite that many previous articles from the George Washington Blog, which have been republished on Zero Hedge, tended to more often better present the history of triumphant false flag attacks, which especially included how the "War on Terror" got going, as the latest installment of how Western Imperialisms were able to divide and conquer the previous Islamic States.

The overall issues are the ways that Globalized Neolithic Civilization has built everything it has done on the foundation of being able to enforce frauds, which exponentially advancing technologies have enabled to become exponentially more fraudulent. "Money" made out of nothing as debts was able to "pay" for strip-mining the natural resources of a fresh planet, which became globalized by the ways that the biggest and best organized gangs of criminals were able to conquer the world, to the degree that only by adopting similar techniques could local gangs of criminals provide more effective resistance. Overall, the consequences are that Globalized Neolithic Civilization is manifesting runaway criminal insanities, which are surely going to continue to become exponentially more insane. Exponential growth driven by being able to enforce frauds in the short to medium term must have catastrophic consequences in the longer term. However, in each short to medium term increments, being able to continue to enforce frauds works all too well.

Since sociopolitical systems based on being able to enforce frauds are operated by the best available professional hypocrites, that applies to all publicly significant sociopolitical groups, as those emerged out out the history of Neolithic Civilizations (which were occasionally independently rediscovered in various other areas.) Nobody has a monopoly on the principles and methods of organized crime. However, Globalized Neolithic Civilization practically has a dominate monopoly on those now, and thus, for the foreseeable finite future, those developments of runaway criminal insanities are going to get way worse, way faster, due to various outrageous liars, fighting other egregious liars, while the overall results are increasingly triumphant lies, which are increasingly psychotic ...

Radical Marijuana's picture

I presume your cryptic reply was ad hominem.

If so, then you are deliberately ignoring the available public information regarding 9/11.

The article above grossly misrepresents things by uncritically quoting its embedded chart:

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/wp/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/C3ZmmowWEAA...

Saudi Arabians involved in terrorist events on 9/11/2001 were primarily patsies to blame it  on.

"The Bigger Picture of Trump’s Muslim Ban" should be placed in this overall BIGGER context:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Qt6a-vaNM

JFK to 911 Everything Is A Rich Man’s Trick

swizzlefoot's picture

wow; how has this article not gone viral yet? 

Fathead Slim's picture
Fathead Slim (not verified) swizzlefoot Feb 4, 2017 3:38 PM

I don't know. Let's see... could it be because "George Washington" is a libtard whose blog posts are inexplicably carried by otherwise sensible outlets such as ZH?

TeethVillage88s's picture

7 Countries Banned by Donald Trump, but they produced no Terrorist in the USA yet. Perhaps the data is caught up in European Terrorism.

Now for the sarc

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PitBullsRule's picture

Boy the silence among the deplorable cheer leaders is deafening here!  Better get some alternative facts out, but quick!

TBT or not TBT's picture

We are working just with the Obama admin. list, for now.   Don't worry, the winning will continue.   The pipeline EO's and Pruitt at EPA, are double plus ungood for Shitty Retardia and their psychotic death cult export program.    Trump plays 3D checkerz.   Try to keep up.  Try.  You could get a participation trophy. 

Reaper's picture

All of the 7, except for Iran, have no working government which could provide positive identification for visa applicants. (Iran is non cooperative and Iraq has limited areas under government control) Wahhabism is the main infectious source in Saudi Arabia. Saudis fund construction of mosques around the world and pay for Wahhabi-indoctrinated leaders therein. Other Arab States, Qatar, UAE, Kuwait, fund these Salafis/Wahhabis. Follow the money; cut off the money.

Dame Ednas Possum's picture

The most glaring omission is the single biggest threat to not just the US... but our entire species. 

And there are many instances over many years of the tribe compromising the rest of us.  Easy though when they own money creation, media and the politicians. 

https://youtu.be/LbkQddEDPs0 

The solution is knowledge and bravery. 

https://youtu.be/T2TEq5Dhf4o 

 

and the usual ME suspects listed are also some of the MIC's largest customers... so it's unlikely they will be curtailed. 

actionjacksonbrownie's picture

The shitty little country is not only not on the list, but it's dual-citizenship holding infiltraitors are allowed to hold top level positions in the u.s. .gov complex.

Luc X. Ifer's picture

Both of you suck ass paranoid anti-jew fascists

philipat's picture

And the list has NOTHING to do with oil (Saudi) or Russian Gas Pipelines (Syria). Fear not, Rexxon will be entirely a neutral party in the application of US Foreign Policy.