Putting An End To This Hitler Nonsense...

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Authored by Regi Hamm,

I am not an expert on Hitler. But my father is.

He toured post-war Germany extensively in 1957 and ’58 as a child performer. And he often recounts the stories. He befriended  teenage Lebensborn children (if you don’t know what Lebensborn children are …well …before you post anymore about Hitler you should read about them). He visited an SS widow and got a peek at her husband’s uniform and Luger (that he’d committed suicide with), she had stored in an old trunk, in the attic.

These and other intense experiences in Germany sent my father on a life-long quest to understand this sociopath (Hitler) and the country that allowed itself to be dragged into one of the darkest chapters in world history. My dad is a Hitler/Nazi buff the way Indiana Jones’ dad was a Holy Grail buff.

As the son of a man with this hobby (one might call obsession) I learned a lot about Hitler and the Third Reich just by osmosis, growing up. My father would weave WWII stories into his sermons. He would talk about new books he was reading on the subject. When I was nine-years-old I bought him a book on the battle of Stalingrad for Christmas. Not a tie or a pair of socks. A book …on the battle …of Stalingrad. Yeah …it was kinda like that.

The thing my father and I have often discussed, through the years, is the eye-rolling art of comparing American presidents to Hitler. It is such an absurdity we find it amusing …and frustrating. It’s often just a punch line. Like the Soup Nazi wasn’t really a Nazi. He was just mean. The Nazi part made it funny. You know …over-the-top. Like “grammar Nazi” or “spelling Nazi.” Nobody is really a “Nazi.” It’s our representation of something we consider jarring, strident, intractable and inhumane.

But the truth about Nazis isn’t funny at all. It’s bloody and horrible and gut churning. And it involves machine guns and butchery and inhumanity on a scale that takes your breath away. Nobody is really a “soup Nazi” …unless they served it in a concentration camp.

The idea of comparing an American president to Hitler is just as absurd …from any angle, in any context. The American system ITSELF pretty much prevents “Hitlers” from showing up. And America ITSELF is anathema to what Hitler was trying to create. An American ANYTHING or ANYONE is hard to fit into the Hitler model. It’s just not apples to apples.

There are some fundamental things to understand about Hitler:

1. He took over a small, failing state that didn’t have separated government, enumerated powers or checks and balances. It’s difficult for a guy like that to show up here, in this system.

 

2. His entire political career was violent from the beginning. There was always death in his wake. He didn’t just suddenly “turn” violent. It was a pattern …as it always is with sociopaths. This is THE most important thing to watch; the violence. I always keep an eye on who is rioting …breaking things …throwing rocks and bombs. It doesn’t make them Nazis. But it signals how far they’re willing to go.

 

3. He entered office with his own personal military construct (the SS) with allegiance to him ONLY. They would carry out things the regular military would never carry out: i.e. the murder of private citizens and political opponents. Nothing like that exists or COULD exist in America. We simply wouldn’t allow it.

 

4. He didn’t start out just killing Jews. He started out euthanizing people with special needs …for the betterment of the care-givers’ lives. (You can decide which side of the aisle favors the extermination of “inconvenient” people).

 

5. He disarmed the population, then nationalized healthcare and education. (Two-out-of-three of those are Bernie Sanders moves …But, guess what? Bernie isn’t Hitler either …not by a long shot)

The list goes on and on. But the deal is this:

Hitler was a real life murdering sociopath.

 

He wasn’t just a charismatic speaker who incrementally fell into bad behavior.

 

He wasn’t just a racist corrupted by unfettered power.

 

In other words, you or I probably couldn’t end up being Hitler. A garden variety KKK leader probably couldn’t end up being Hitler either …or a community organizer …or a New York real-estate tycoon.

 

It’s not that easy or simple.

NONE of our American presidents have ever been Hitler. But the people of Germany certainly thought FDR was a murdering dictator when B-17s started dropping bombs on them. This is why you have to KNOW what you believe and why you believe it. Good guys and bad guys are often in the eyes of the beholder. And they often look similar in the fog of conflict. I would imagine Japanese Americans in internment camps wondered if their president was Hitler-like. Nope. Horrible act …but not close to Hitler.

To that point, ironically, the American president who could’ve actually been likened to Hitler (before Hitler) in some of his methods was …wait for it …Abraham Lincoln. Lincoln broke more constitutional law than any other president in U.S history. He imprisoned political opponents without due process. He suspended habeas corpus. He was personally responsible for the deaths of six hundred thousand people.

He invaded countries that had declared their own sovereignty and forced them back into a union they didn’t want to be a part of. He unilaterally annexed Nevada, without 60 thousand residents, (a pre-requisite for becoming a state) in order to carry it and win the 1864 election. In other words, he pretty much rigged it.

And when he was killed by the highest paid and most famous actor of his day (ironic …don’t you think?), the actor screamed “death to tyrants!” (in latin) because the man thought he was being a patriot for ridding the world of a dictator. But he wasn’t …and he didn’t.

Lincoln did all of those things to end and win the Civil War. And today we love him for it …as we should. Because in the end, his vision was right …even though his methods were suspect in the heat of the moment.

When people think they’re seeing a Hitler, they might actually – sometimes – be seeing something closer to a Churchill. Before WWII everyone thought Churchill was the big bad wolf. His own people hated him and thought he was a Hitler type character (again …pre-Hilter). But he just kept saying, “guys …I’m telling you. This Hitler guy is the real problem. Not me.” And he turned out to be right. There’s a difference between an abrasive leader who makes you uncomfortable …and a despot.

Now, people are comparing Donald Trump to Hitler. And the countdown has officially begun, to …well …I don’t know …but something really bad. I get that someone who is combative with the press and who wants to vet refugees and shut down open immigration fits the bill some are always looking for when it comes to finally getting their “Hitler” villain.

But if you study enough about it, you realize the guy vetting and banning refugees is probably not Hitler …the guy CREATING refugees probably is.

If we keep looking for Hitler in every United States president we disagree with, we’re not going to recognize the real one when he actually shows up …in a different country.

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Gaius Frakkin' Baltar's picture

"Blah, blah, blah... I hate the White race."

Looney's picture

 

We are a Country of La… umm… Labels.

Slapping a label on someone or a group of someones is the easiest way to “join the club”, whatever that club might be.

Here’s an example…

The Libtards keep repeating, "Trump is a Misogynist". If you ask them to spell it, the chances are that 7 out of 10 will spell it “massageinist” or somepin’ like that. The same goes for the "Hitler" label. I think?  ;-)

Looney

Manthong's picture

Re-armed a nation…
Brought nation out of depression…
Restored national pride…
Great deals with London and Wall Street…
Non-Aggression Treaty with Soviets…
Accomplished Leader…
Time Man of the Year 1939

Outside that little WWII thing and genocide..

What’s not to like?

You can start worrying if Trump ramps up the FEMA camp program.

xythras's picture
xythras (not verified) Manthong Feb 4, 2017 6:07 PM

Trump looks good with that mustache. HAHAHA

Talking about serious business, Gun Sales dropped:

Gun Sales Dip in January as Trump Takes Office

http://dailywesterner.com/news/2017-02-04/gun-sales-dip-in-january-as-tr...

We don't need to fear cankles and UN trying to kill our 2nd amendment

Croesus's picture

The author's father should try understanding the Weimar years, and the Communists in Germany particularly, if he wants an understanding of the Hitler years. There was a reason he was popular, just as there was a reason the Jews were disliked.

https://www.google.com/search?q=anti+semitic+posters&client=ms-android-a...

Youtube "The Greatest Story Never Told".

For such a "racist", it's funny how Hitler built the most racially-diverse military in history, at a time when the US was still practicing segregation.

Orc from Mordor's picture

If you wanna be a Hitler, come to Russia. We have a lot of experience in Hitlers.

balolalo's picture

trump is a pussy compared to hitler

chumbawamba's picture

Lincoln did all of those things to end and win the Civil War. And
today we love him for it …as we should. Because in the end, his vision
was right …even though his methods were suspect in the heat of the
moment.

Oh, fuck off you cum curdling faggot.  Yes, Lincoln was right for genociding the South.  Because fuck Southerners.

I hate these pieces of shit who write one thing and then two paragraphs later are saying something entirely opposite, and then acting like that's logic.

I am Chumbawamba.

Ex-Oligarch's picture

"his vision was right …even though his methods were suspect"

Man am I ever tired of people arguing that the end justifies the means, however murderous.  

zen0's picture

He should grab himself, yes?

DaNuts's picture

India has Modi, does he count as a Hitler?

land_of_the_few's picture

Modi's not like Hitler until he authorises something like Sonderaktion 1005

land_of_the_few's picture

And Napoleons. You guys from Russia did a nice job in the final battle against his forces in Paris.

greenskeeper carl's picture

This was a great post until he got into the part about defending Lincoln. He had me right up until then. He is engaging in a YUGE logical fallacy here. Lincoln broke the law, engaged in egregious violations of the constitution, overturned the very foundation of this country(voluntary Union of states) and was responsible for the deaths of over 600k people(I've read higher numbers, but we'll go with his) all to seek the political ends he desired. His good squads crushed decent, violently. The govt under Lincoln engaged in massive political repression in order to consolidate power and win an election. And this guy praises him for it because, in his mind, the end justified the means. Well, guess what, that the end justifies the means is also in the eye of the beholder, much like the German civilians on the recoeving end of our carpet bombing. If he can't see that, then he isn't worth reading. Lincoln is not a historical figure worth defending.

OccamsCrazor's picture

Obama was a YUGE fan of Lincoln. Think about that for a moment. Obama also dropped 26,000 bombs on other countries, just in 2016.  

Who created refugees again ? Who had people fleeing their countries in the greatest numbers we have ever seen, because he was dropping bombs on those countries ?

 

Obama.  8 years of death and destruction, lawlessness, and torridly trampling of the constitution.   So called nobel prize winner. What whack job(s) voted him that ?   

 

Trump is dealing with the fallout of all that, and then a complicit media who stupidly ordained Obama some sort of deity.  Thats how so fucked up our country is, and why Trump has to clean the fucking house.  

Very thankful for Trump.  

The people who need to monitored and watched closely, are the ones currently creating violence in our streets, and rioting against Trump's constitutional actions to defend the good people here in the US. That is, the hypocrits who use labels like mysogynist, xenophobe, bigot, racist, etc.  

Cruel Joke's picture

from - http://dailycaller.com/2015/03/04/nobel-peace-prize-committee-ousts-chai...

In 2009, Obama received $1.4 million together with the Nobel Peace Prize.

 

Obama gifted his winnings to several charities including the United Negro College Fund, the Hispanic Scholarship Fund, the American Indian College Fund and the Clinton Bush Haiti Fund.

Hah, he gave some of the money to the Clinton Foundation ... you can't make this shit up.

virgule's picture

Rather than focusing on the persons of the time (Lincoln, Hitler, Trump), why don't you ZH'ers look at the state of mind of the population living in those times, who allowed these things to happen?

I've always wondered what made ordinary, educated and presumable intelligent Germans, turn into a nation of terrible people in a span of a few years...and then become completely normal and ordinary again, like today?

Yes, we know, Weimar, WWI, reperations, economic crisis, blabla. But every nation faces times of crises, yet very few nations turn into madmen. There has to be some kind of massive social hysteria, leading to a global delusion about the world around them, before things turn so nasty. At which point did Germans start loosing their sense of criticism and instead accept that horrible things were normal? At which point did they finally accept the reverse? Did the German nation switch off overnight at the armistice? Seems far fetched.

I think that the german people gradually became literally "mentally ill" first (as eg in a clinical depressive state), before they could switch into a nation-wide hysteria of Nazism and SS warfare.

Ignore my historical inaccuracies - I'm not an expert, and instead ask yourself:
What does the American Democratic population look like right now? When I see the recent videos, I see sick, delusional people in a state of mass hysteria. I don't think this is about preferences over political systems or the values of a preferred leader.

I think regular Americans, Republicans and ZH'ers are fighitng the wrong battle. You have a large group of ill people who need medical help, before their hysteria is channeled by some opportunist, into something far more dangerous for everyone and all sides.

Withdrawn Sanction's picture

you might try Peikoff's, The Ominous Parallels.  He tries to answer the question of how could an advanced, cultured society produce and empower a guy like Hitler.  Hannah Arendt also has work in this area as do many others.

Akzed's picture

A Hitler expert by osmosis...? At least he admits it, seems to have the caricature down pat.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwp7tVZuXKM

 

turnoffthewater's picture

Good show. I would add that Hitler was a made man from the banking establishment who played both sides of the conflict to make money

Debt-Is-Not-Money's picture

Like what we are seeing at Berkley and elsewere, similar tactics, are the same people behind it? Yep, George Soros, master manipulator and expert on the use of fake news and fake accusations.

The author fails to mention:

https://archive.org/stream/JewsDeclareWarOnGermany1933/JewsDeclareWarOnG...

"Judea Declares War on Germany!" - Daily Express headline, March 24, 1933.

"Judea Declares War on Germany! Jews of all the World Unite! Boycott of German Goods!
Mass Demonstrations!" - These were all headlines in the Daily Express on March 24, 1933.

"The Israeli people around the world declare economic and financial war against Germany.
Fourteen million Jews stand together as one man, to declare war against Germany. The Jewish
wholesaler will forsake his firm, the banker his stock exchange, the merchant his commerce and
the pauper his pitiful shed in order to join together in a holy war against Hitler's people." - Daily
Express, March 24, 1933.

Laddie's picture

Both Trump and Hilter were FOR the average citizen being armed.

The author of this drivel needs to get informed, if he is honest that is...

"5. He disarmed the population, then nationalized healthcare and education."

I suggest reading "Gun Control in Germany, 1928-1945"
by William L. Pierce, PhD who was a professor of physics at Oregon State University.

And his GUN CONTROL: Not What It Seems

greenskeeper carl's picture

^^^everyone of you should read that link. It's not much different than what a lot of people write today, but it was written over 20 years ago, and it was absolutely correct. Everything he describes takes place to this day, and we march onwards toward the future that author feared would come.

Greenecho's picture

Excellent article. Frightening what he describes, and spot on today. In the beginning he describes women who set this in motion based upon they’re instability. I’m inclined to agree. And today’s men becoming more like the women looking for an authoritative figure to fix/supply everything. Someone spike the water supply with testosterone.

Get this out to the liberals. It may help if they can overcome the barrier of blind hate they have built and open their minds to see what’s really happening to them.

 

css1971's picture

Explicitly. He disarmed Jews, but liberalised gun ownership for Nazi party members and some other groups.

Laddie's picture

Trump has the same Enemies as Hitler had, both men sought to make their nations GREAT AGAIN! The problem is the ones who've been telling us for 70 or more years about Hitler have been the ones who killed 60 Million Russians and LOOTED America and Russia both...well you get the idea...

Terrorists Flood America as Evil Seditious Judge Undermines Our President’s Orders

The ENEMIES of AMERICA:
Brian Goldman

Margo Schlanger

Melonie Rosenberg

Manthong's picture

You have a point and Joseph McCarthy was right.

Actually, although I was joking around and some people take some comments here too seriously, FEMA discipline and indoctrination camp for the lefties might not be such a bad idea.

If they don’t come around, just put them on an LSD IV.

 

 

Laddie's picture

It is quite true with all the reading we do that sometimes we mistake humor for seriousness, been guilty of that myself and been victim of that myself.

American Gorbachev's picture

they're already on an LSD IV

i think they're now called "student loans"

Salzburg1756's picture

The holocaust is a hoax.  See: http://vho.org/aaargh/index.html 

Hitler was a much better man than Trump; but Trump is indeed doing a little of what Hitler did. Trump is at least something of a patriot.

GUS100CORRINA's picture

Salzburg1756 ...

One comment: Information below looks like FAKE NEWS. Dwight D. Eisenhower would concur since he was there and documented the entire event. 

FAKE NEWS ==> The holocaust is a hoax.  See: http://vho.org/aaargh/index.html 

I have a book titled: THE HOLOCAUST CHRONICLE

Information in the book is unbelievable and evidence that the holocaust was a very real tragic event.

Debt-Is-Not-Money's picture

Does that include if he uses them for illegals?

Escrava Isaura's picture

So, let’s try popular…….And see which conclusion one gets: 

Douglas C. Miller: Hitler's drive to war in 1939 caused considerable anxiety in Germany though not enough to threaten the regime. There were none of the giddy expressions of popular support for war as seen on the outbreak of World War I. Berlin was particularly glum, as noted by Joseph Goebbels in his diaries.

The prompt defeat of Poland allayed some public doubts about Hitler. The defeat of France dissolved any remaining doubts and did unleash a wave of genuine adulation for Hitler.

Andrew Warinner: So if Evans is right, and he cites documentation that backs up his case, Hitler was not nearly as popular as we now think during the period from his accession to power until the war. The Nazi party was even less popular, particularly as people watched senior leaders grow rich and corrupt, taking money from the social welfare funds for personal use, accumulating estates, art, cars, and other ostentatious signs of wealth as well as power. There were many and common jokes that circulated about the behavior of party leaders and government officials and how they exploited their positions.

The war changed all that.

 

https://www.quora.com/How-popular-was-Hitler-prior-to-WWII-August-1939

 

m96's picture

He practically had whole Germany on his side except the Jews :) Just look at the crowds. Went from bankrupt country to prosperous in 5 years when rest of world was in depression.

This is the reason the bankers hated him:

https://youtu.be/bm34sj65MkA?t=3h6m40s

Escrava Isaura's picture

You got it all wrong.

Anthony Migchels: Hitler did not implement any serious monetary reform after he came to power. He did make finance completely subservient to the State and, more specifically, rearmament.

Hitler was an imperialist who wanted to conquer Russia for the third Reich and intended to kill untold millions of Russians to take their land. His rise and fall gave the Money Power everything it wanted, including the war itself, the Zionist Entity in Palestine, the EU, Soviet domination of Eastern Europe, the destruction of the British Empire, the UN and the Cold War.

We will probably never know whether he was a useful idiot or willing stooge, but while he may have been no worse than his antagonists, he certainly also was no better.

https://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2013/09/16/hitlers-finances-and-the-myth-of-nazi-anti-usury-activism/

 

m96's picture

No it is correct. He made the very serious monetary reform in throwing out the jewish bankers and their debt usury out of Germany that was sucking life out of the country. Their money was replaced with Labour Treasur Certificates bypassing the jewish private banks. That's the reason he could transform Germany into a prosperous society in just 5 years.

Also, its a very big difference in paying interest to your own state instead of to the international private bankers.

css1971's picture

From the nazi party 25 point programme:

    We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, profiteers and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.

 

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bundas kenyer receptek (not verified) m96 Feb 5, 2017 12:58 AM

he would have joos on his side too if he decided to use some other group for scapegoating ... same for bandito moosoleeny.. he had joos supporting him and in cabinet positions everywhere around him up until the war

GUS100CORRINA's picture

Escrava Isaura ....

Your argument fails for one reason: HITLER HATED JESUS CHRIST.

TRUMP has expressed his love for JESUS CHRIST as his Lord and Savior.

My question for you is this one: Is JESUS CHRIST your Lord and Savior? I certainly hope so because the alternative is unthinkable.

A book that really sheds light on Nazi Germany is from Erwin Lutzer: When a nation forgets GOD. I suggest you read it.

Amerca, under GOD-Hating LIBERAL PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP, has been a total and utter disaster.

I certainly hope you are not one of those types. 

Thank GOD for the TRUMP/PENCE team.

Escrava Isaura's picture

Trump loves Jesus Christ?

Do you really believe that?

C’mon. You ought to know better.

To give credit to you, Pence is a different thing.

 

scraping_by's picture

Pence loves Mean Jesus who wants to use government as a stick against odd behavior (Gays, drugs, abortion, etc.) as a distraction for his rich clients looting the commons and driving down working people. Trump? Stranger things have happened. Considering the Christian religion has been 2000 years of saving Jesus from extremism, his personal convictions not fitting into religious orthodoxy might be a good sign. No public information to make a judgement.

stocker84's picture

There is only one Jesus, brother

The same one who knocked over the tables of the money changers.

If Trump does that we'll be better off.

"...to make a judgement", said the Christan expert.

"Mean Jesus".... That has to be some new age crap the left is pushing.

stocker84's picture

Only God knows Trump's heart.

If you think you know it, then you're judging him.

Judge not lest you be judged.

Zip that incoherent and illogical pie hole of yours.

At the very least, try and make more sense.

Escrava Isaura's picture

 stocker84: There is only one Jesus, brother. The same one who knocked over the tables of the money changers.

Great. We’ll find out if Trump is a jesus follower.

But I don’t think he is because he’s giving the money changers a tax-break, meaning, more power to the money changers.

So, in 4 years, we’ll find out who is more logical……. If there’s such thing.

 

GUS100CORRINA's picture

Thanks for asking. Great question.

My response: Yes I do believe that President TRUMP loves Jesus Christ as his personal Lord and Savior.

Why? Listen to the Inauguration Praysrs and the Inauguration Luncheon. This was the first time in decades that Jesus Christ was mentioned seven separate times. Also, take a look at the speaker backgrounds. Five out of six were Christian. Also, look at the backgrounds of his cabinet picks. All of them are Christian.

I have all of the speeches and videos as evidence. But don't believe me, investigate the matter for yourself. You can view inauguration on youtube to validate what I am saying.

[Act 17:11 NKJV] 11 These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily [to find out] whether these things were so.

All the evidence is suggesting that we now have an advocate versus an adversary for the Christian faith in the Whitehouse. Thank GOD. It is clear that GOD has granted America mercy for the moment just like he did with the appointment of Ronald Regan.

[Pro 21:1 NKJV] 1 The king's heart [is] in the hand of the LORD, [Like] the rivers of water; He turns it wherever He wishes.

ZD1's picture

Escrava? Her lord and savior is some big government socialist like Noam Chomsky.

Escrava Isaura's picture

The savior is more capitalism, so I was told by god.

 

 

drendebe10's picture

Progressive liberal democraps are among the meanest nastiest hypocrite intolerant people on the face of the earth. Fukemall

Bill of Rights's picture

The irony is it is you who are the racist and besides hypocrite, BLM is a racist organization, as is ISIS. So when you scream WHITE SUPREMACIST look real close in the mirror.