Trump May Be Correct: CNN's Latest Immigration Poll Includes Aggressive "Oversample"

Tyler Durden's picture

In a mini tweet storm released earlier this morning, President Trump blasted the "negative polls" of "fake news" outlets "CNN, ABC and NBC" after a couple of polls from the weekend seemingly revealed that the American people largely opposed his executive order on immigration. 

 

So, we decided to take a look at the latest such poll from CNN and "shockingly" found that Trump kind of has a point.  For some reason, CNN/ORC simply can't seem to conduct a poll where the distribution of respondents mirrors the actual distribution of registered voters in the U.S.  As you can see below, in the latest "oversample" farce, CNN decided that filling it's poll with Democrats was becoming way too obvious and, as such, just decided that 45% of registered voters are suddenly independent.  From the polling methodology:

A total of 1,002 adults were interviewed by telephone nationwide by live interviewers calling both landline and cell phones. Among the entire sample, 29% described themselves as Democrats, 25% described themselves as Republicans, and 45% described themselves as independents or members of another party.

Of course, as we've pointed out multiple times, actual voter registration numbers are no where near CNN/ORC's latest distribution.

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But, at least CNN was able to engineer its desired result with 53% of their respondents saying they oppose Trump's travel ban.

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Meanwhile, 55% of the respondents in CNN's "rigged poll" seem to view Trump's immigration executive order as a "Muslim ban."

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Of course, as we've noted before, only 12.5% of the world's Muslims live in the seven countries on Trump's immigration ban list...

 

But those are just facts so who cares?

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Rich Stoehner's picture

Oversample:
The act of sitting in your cubical and making up numbers big enough to keep your editor happy.

VinceFostersGhost's picture

 

 

I've "oversampled" my gold holdings.......turns out I rule the world.

NoDebt's picture

They should just poll the people in the news room and publish that, for all the validity it has.

 

Looney's picture

 

I've "oversampled" my Stool Sample.   ;-)

Looney

FreezeThese's picture

We're still doing this? 3 weeks in ... arguing over polls? Get a grip Bannon - many more racist EO's to churn out

Raymond K Hessel's picture

Does anyone know where the national breakdown for Ind-Dem-GOP comes from?

Jim in MN's picture

They usually come from the Pew Center.  The graphic up there looks like one of theirs. 

Jim in MN's picture

So on the subject of bogus numbers and Trump being right, I've been looking into the voter fraud issues some more.  It is often informative to go to more local sources, and to go back a bit to avoid this election's contentious 'noise'.

In Ventura County CA, there was a Grand Jury investigation into the 2004 era issues.  The report is kind of interesting all the way through.  But, here is the amazing part--while the report on its face claims that everything is fine with regards to voter fraud and system safeguards, there is AGAIN this recurring focus on one voter voting multiple times.....but when you get to the part about verifying citizenship, here are the actual Grand Jury findings:

http://vcportal.ventura.org/GDJ/docs/reports/2004-05/voting.pdf

 

For voting purposes, citizenship is certified by a signed affidavit from the registrant. The Elections Division has no responsibility and no legal authority to require proof of citizenship or to challenge the citizenship certification when a person registers to vote. There is neither responsibility nor legal authority for any governmental agency to verify U.S. citizenship with respect to voter registration or voting.

 

The certification or proof of citizenship is characterized as a “rebuttable presumption.”  A voter may self-declare that he or she is not a citizen, but citizenship cannot be actively challenged with respect to registration and voting. For voting purposes only, citizenship is presumed based on the affidavit of the registrant unless evidence is introduced proving that the registrant is not a citizen.

 

 

So you see, if a non-citizen (or a million non-citizens) were to just check one box on a form, say their driver's license form, from that point on they are treated as a proper registered voter.  Yes it really is that simple.

So let's hope that Vice President Pence and the commission keep their 'eyes on the prize' in their investigation. 

ANYONE CAN VOTE in California, Maryland, and many other states.  NO ONE CHECKS. 

Joe Sichs Pach's picture

Jim, keep actively looking into SOLUTIONS. It's refreshing to see and you will gain traction

Son of Loki's picture

I remember the polls showing over 87% of Americans opposed Osamacare.

Yet, Obama and his gangsters, pelosi, reed, Schumer and feinstein, shove it down American throats anyway which caused even more recession and destruction of the middle class.

 

MissCellany's picture

"But those are just facts, so who cares?"

Well, they're ALTERNATIVE facts.

Which apparently means the hate-filled snowflake libtard types can continue sticking fingers in ears and whining "LALALA can't hear you..."

SoDamnMad's picture

I don't care about these fake polls. I care that the President invoked his right under the Federal Immigration Law, Section 1182(f) that says for a period he is allowed to ban individuals.  He didn't say he was banning muslims, he said he was banning individuals from 5 countries in the ME. His intent was to set up correct vetting to protect America from terrorists.

11b40's picture

The press is still doing this?  3 weeks in...still making up fake news polls and manipulating data?  Get a grip, corporate media, while you still have even 10% credibility.

IridiumRebel's picture

Meanwhile as you and the dwindling amount schmucks that follow your ethos battle comment here, the rise of liberty minded anti-leftists continues unabated. They will write books upon the utter collapse of progressivism and the dolt like behavior of those tasked to be in charge.

Swirl that drain.

HopefulCynical's picture

Exactly. That deafening shriek is the sound of Marxism going off the cliff.

nmewn's picture

There's no argument at all, the poll was rigged.

localsavage's picture

Anyone with a basic knowledge of math/statistics can see that they are full of shit.  Another reason why the left want to get rid of math classes.

farflungstar's picture

National security is rayyciss

philipat's picture

An Opinion Poll many years ago used to be a presentation of what people were thinking. Today, at least from the MSM, it is an exercise in trying to tell readers/viewers what to think and thus influence opinion not reflect it. Fortunately, there aren't many readers/viewers left for these legacy "News" outlets?

IndyPat's picture

Take part in an opinion poll:

Tell 84 Lumber what YOU think of their support for the wetback invasion.
That ad cost millions of dollars.

Sellout fucks need to feel some rage.

https://www.84lumber.com/contact/

Don't buy a single nail or stick of lumber from these national traitors.

venturen's picture

It is almost like they wanted to sabotage itself. can't imagine many blue collar builders being impressed. I WILL NEVER BUY FROM THEM....as I will never watch the 49ers again...EVER

venturen's picture

It is almost like they wanted to sabotage itself. can't imagine many blue collar builders being impressed. I WILL NEVER BUY FROM THEM....as I will never watch the 49ers again...EVER

dark fiber's picture

Didn't know you worked at the COMEX.

VinceFostersGhost's picture

 

 

I have some olden day stories to tell you about that!

 

I'm sure it's much worse now....

847328_3527's picture

I'd feel better if the "polls" were run by the BLS that has been telling us the recovery os robustest ever under Obama. here's some proof:

 

Dying Sears Just Had One of the Most Shockingly Disastrous Months in Its History

https://www.thestreet.com/story/13969600/1/dying-sears-is-having-one-of-the-most-disastrous-weeks-in-its-history.html?puc=yahoo&cm_ven=YAHOO&yptr=yahoo

walküre's picture

Polls schmolls...

THE BANKERS ARE WINNING !!!

what else matters in America?

Darktarra's picture

Do you think we believe [ANYTHING] CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS says?  

TheLastTrump's picture

Enough people do that they are dangerous.

HopefulCynical's picture

That number dwindles by the hour.

GUS100CORRINA's picture

MSM has no CREDIBILITY, no INTEGRITY and no MORALS.

As a collective group, they are doing GREAT DAMAGE to the FABRIC of the REPUBLIC.

Truly, truly SAD.Who is responsible for this "GREEK" tragedy?

The list is long, but distinguished. At the top of the list is the AMERICAN CHRISTIAN CHURCH because they have failed in their obligation to preach RIGHTEOUSNESS from the PULPIT for the 30+ years. As a result, everyone is doing what is right in their own eyes leading to an unmitigated disaster.

philipat's picture

There is truth to that and it is a worldwide issue not just in the American Church. I believe that what happened is that in an attempt to remain relevant to a younger generation, the Church slid into a Liberal interpretation of everything, including values. The problem with that, of course, is that if the Church cannot maintain and practise high moral values and integrity, who else can be expected to?

Cassandra.Hermes's picture

Trumpism is in desperate need of The Ministry of Disinformation. Sorry but when someone doesn't think like him he or she must be fake, sociology is a science and only that is fake is the gerrymandering, as soon as you did a poll not based on fake district you get different results. I still don't know a single person who voted for Trump, he got just 12% of my neighbors vote.

moneybots's picture

Tump won 2,600 of 3,000 counties. You must be in one of the 400 counties Hillary got.

HopefulCynical's picture

Cassandra.Hermes's

Member for

11 weeks 3 days

Please tell Soros that the ZH community says, "EABOD, BEYOTCH!"

OverTheHedge's picture

As acronyms go, that's a fine one. Well played.

farflungstar's picture

THE most important thing in the minds of Americans is the importation of foreigners. Not the protection of their own families, paying their monthly bills, safe schools for their kids. No, it's getting to live next door to Mahmoud and his 8 kids and being able to get authentic falafel.

We lose nothing by strict vetting except Democrats lose potential voters. 

walküre's picture

Trump blames erectile difficulties on fake news. Melania, we feel for you!

Rich Stoehner's picture

Yeah, but when the polls are in his favor, he gets yuuuge!

VinceFostersGhost's picture

 

 

Did you see Bill checking out Melania?

 

I wish she would have turned and winked at him......Hillary would have had to keep him from falling down.

847328_3527's picture

the wookie is more Bill's speed these days. Rumor has it Bill had a good time in Haiti with all those girls not to mention all the embezzled money the pres of Haiti says has gone missing.

krispkritter's picture

She should have tossed him a cigar.  Heart attack!

walküre's picture

Right. He simply cannot lose ever. Even in defeat he's still the greatest (in his own mind).

Many wealthy guys I've dealt with share this superiority complex. When it shows on a political scene, it typically ends in a desaster for the guy and often for many innocent bystanders.

TheMeatTrapper's picture

So far he hasn't lost. In case you forgot, he won. 

CheapBastard's picture

cnn still says Hillary has 98% chance of winning!

cnn polls smell fishy.

PT's picture

"What's your flimsy referendum in comparison to my rock solid opinion poll?" - MSM have been using this "logic" for at least 20 or 30 years that I know of and it is not confined to the US.

new game's picture

still in the denial stage over the cunts lose...anger next?