AP Fact-Checks Trump-Immigration-Blocking Judge, Finds 'Alternative Facts'

Tyler Durden's picture

The federal judge who halted President Donald Trump's travel ban was wrong in stating that no one from the seven countries targeted in Trump's order has been arrested for extremism in the United States since the 2001 terrorist attacks.

As AP reports,

Just last October, an Iraqi refugee living in Texas pleaded guilty to attempting to provide support to the Islamic State group, accused of taking tactical training and wanting to blow himself up in an act of martyrdom.


In November, a Somali refugee injured 11 in a car-and-knife attack at Ohio State University, and he surely would have been arrested had he not been killed by an officer.

The judge, James Robart, was correct in his larger point that the deadliest and most high-profile terrorist attacks on U.S. soil since 9/11 — like the Boston Marathon bombings and the shootings in Orlando, Florida, and San Bernardino, California — were committed either by U.S. citizens or by people from countries other than the seven majority-Muslim nations named in Trump's order.

But he went a step too far at a hearing in Seattle on Friday.

He asked a Justice Department lawyer how many arrests of foreign nationals from the countries have occurred since 9/11. When the lawyer said she didn't know, Robart answered his own question: "Let me tell, you, the answer to that is none, as best I can tell. You're here arguing on behalf of someone that says we have to protect the United States from these individuals coming from these countries and there's no support for that."

Charles Kurzman, a sociology professor at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill, says his research shows no Americans have been killed in the U.S. at the hands of people from the seven countries — Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Syria, Sudan and Yemen — since Sept. 11. But it's not quite right to say no one from those nations has been arrested or accused in an extremist-related plot while living in the U.S.

In addition to the cases from last fall, for instance, two men from Iraq were arrested in Kentucky in 2011 and convicted on charges that they plotted to send money and weapons to al-Qaida.


They were never accused, though, of plotting attacks on the U.S. Last week, Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway wrongly cited their case as a "Bowling Green massacre," which never happened.


All told, Kurzman said, 23 percent of Muslim Americans involved with extremist plots since Sept. 11 had family backgrounds from the seven countries.

Those darn 'alternative facts' are such trouble... or is it racist when the liberal judiciary is fact-checked?

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thefinn's picture

He's going to get strung up on this one.

That's good, the USA is past due for a lynching really.

CheapBastard's picture

This sorry excuse for a judge is so blinded by his biases he should have recused himself instead of looking like a fool.

Hopefully, the 9th circuit is more impartial and abides by the letter of the law but it does not look hopeful when you read some of their far flung unlawful previous opinions that were overturned by the Supreme Court.

Clint Liquor's picture

The 9th 'Circus' is the most overturned court (by the Supreme Court) in US History.

greenskeeper carl's picture

While this is sure to be overturned, in the grand schme of things, how many people from any of these countries have been arrested is irrelevant. Long standing US law is clearly on trumps side here.


As an aside, the number of them arrested is not particularly rellevant to me. We don't need any more indignant charity cases in this country. We create enough of our own. We can't import and care for the entire third world. Bringing them in doesn't elevate them to first world standards, it just makes the areas they populate more and more resemble the third world. We have our own third worlders to deal with in every single inner city, of the home grown variety. This shit has to stop.

CClarity's picture

Is it cuz Osama bin Laden had been living in Yemen (after being expelled from Saudi Arabia) that "so many" can be "affiliated" with that muslim country?

brianshell's picture

Our constitutional dilemma revolves around the freedom of religion. The problem is that somes religions advocate violent acts in the name of their religion. Violent acts are illegal here no matter the ideology used to justify them. Law trumps religion.

macholatte's picture


Yes the judge is a Progressive Activist. That should be obvious.

What about the DOJ Attorney Michelle Bennett: “Your Honor, I don’t have that information.” ?  

That was the best she could do?

Couldn't she challenge the judge to a numbers game; how many does it take, judge?
She should be reassigned to the Aleutian Islands.


Mercury's picture

The federal judge who halted President Donald Trump's travel ban was wrong in stating that no one from the seven countries targeted in Trump's order has been arrested for extremism in the United States since the 2001 terrorist attacks.


So what? How does that make Trump's order illegal or unconstitutional?

vato poco's picture

it doesn't. the idiot judge avoided mention of "law" in his idiot decision, and went instead with "feelings". 


MalteseFalcon's picture

Can this bow-tied bum-kisser be de-robed already.

Krungle's picture

Our entire foreign policy is built around a fighting a religious war.

brianshell's picture

Just don't forget the religion behind the curtain.

Oldwood's picture

What progressives will tell us is that we cannot make judgments until such time as absolute proof exists. We can not make inferences from past experience as that is bias, we cannot do so from other's experience as that is racism, and we cannot lift our hand in defense until we are fully impaled and can feel our life's blood pouring free from our bodies. Too late.

Of COURSE they know this is flawed and stupid, but if you want to destroy a culture in order to impose your own, what better way than through indoctrinated suicide?

brianshell's picture

So if my Dad in the battle of the bulge saw a man in a German uniform and holding a Mauser, he should have avoided bias and called for a parley.

The followers of islam would have the whole world under their subjugation without someone strong enough and brave enough to fight for freedom.

MissCellany's picture

Oh. So does that thought process apply to "climate change" too?

Oldwood's picture

Sure, as they consider climate change proven fact derived from their falsely created consensus. It is THEY who ultimately determine fact, not us. If we "choose" to not believe them, we are deniers exhibiting our bias (ignorance)

mofreedom's picture

But there's a Kennedy on the Supremes today, and Kennedy's are known for not minding both just-friends and friends dying untimely deaths.

nonclaim's picture

The million dollars question (funded by Mr. Soros) is this: Can any federal judge out of nowhere prevent the President from acting under a clear authorization from Congress?

If yes, then Congress has no more, actually less, authority than any single federal judge and the President is hostage to "feelings" of any so-called judge.

greenskeeper carl's picture

It does make elections a rather moot point, doesn't it? The people in 80% of counties around the country have spoken, and yet apparently their collective desires count less than the whims of some unelected, mid level judge somewhere. There are hundreds like him, and apparently, if this is allowed to stand, they each have more power over fucking IMMIGRATION than the president and congress.

Oldwood's picture

Everyone understands the need for checks and balances. Our problem comes from what we see individually in small scale where it becomes obvious that the checks and balances are not designed to protect us or even preserve the republic but to enhance the powers and wealth of those with such powers, and going high enough we realize that it becomes a tool for ideology advancement, where it is no longer the law or the constitution in question, it is whether specific agenda needs are met or denied, and the further recognition that SOME of those agenda goals are specifically the grinding to a halt of our government, PERIOD.

Systemic collpase...politically, economically, FUNCTIONALLY, is an ideological goal for some of these people. The grand reset is NOT what so many here hope and think it is. It is the change that changes EVERYTHING for evermore. The tools are in place to render central control unlike any time in history.


brianshell's picture

I am not sure but, can't another federal judge stay the ban? If nothing else, it would make for great circus. The battle of the benches.

wren's picture

Hey judge, it doesn't matter! It's the president's job to regulate immigration, not yours! As for undue hardship to the states, that doesn't matter either! Stop legislating from behind the bench!

TeethVillage88s's picture

There were 1000s of Terrorist attacks last year.

Even Maoist Communist rebels committed 100s of attacks in the last decade.

Maybe we should include Terror Attacks in NATO countries and Europe for instance to broaden the scope.

mofreedom's picture

100% import ban on all peoples indeinitely.   Sorry folks, no more of us beautiful Irish for the time being!!!

dearth vader's picture

Why are they called the 9th circuit? What happened to the other eight?

sgt_doom's picture

Good facts, but let's not forget Yemen:  Maj. Hasan was in communication (dozens of emails) with that radical cleric in Yemen, who it appears was directing his violence, and Hasan proceeded to kill a bunch of soldiers and injure more at Ft. Hood.  (That radical cleric would later be placed on the "kill on sight" list by President Obama.)

Also, that Underwear Bomber, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, was trained and armed with his detonating undies in Yemen.

And those sailors were killed and many more wounded when the USS Cole was attacked in Yemen.

I believe there's quite a bit more if it is looked into.

Raffie's picture

He is going to get his pee pee smacked.

Dog Will Hunt's picture

He's going to get strung up on this one.


Or so slobbering fucktards like you would seem to believe.  


the USA is past due for a lynching really.


Not sure why--we've had plenty of able and willing rope-toting hillbillies like you for decades.  

Sweet Chicken's picture

Facts do not matter to communists. 

FinMin's picture

Racism is the natural order of things.

balolalo's picture

"All told, Kurzman said, 23 percent of Muslim Americans involved with extremist plots since Sept. 11 had family backgrounds from the seven countries."

SO, why aren't we blocking the other 77%........... ?

makes you wonder......

balolalo's picture

well now we know one reason why SAUDI ARABIA wasn't or will ever be included


that didn't take long.

dsty's picture

Words matter

not facts


undercover brother's picture

From what I heard, this judge has a side job and  it is providing legal advice and support for illegal immigrants and refugees. This conflict of interest is of great concern and he should recuse himself.   

I started laughing to myself as I typed that last sentence as no communist/socialist would ever admit to their own hypocrisy.  

Oldwood's picture

Progressives are immune to hypocrisy. It is simply a weapon of words they use against their enemies in hopes that it will inhibit them, handicap them with "moral codes" that they can easily ignore. It is the media that decides ultimately WHAT hypocrisy IS and IS NOT or generally simply ignores it when convenient.

Sofa King's picture

Just give him back his Red Swingline Stapler and lets move on.

SHADEWELL's picture

Tick Tock, Tick Tock, the Ninth Circuit is currently on the clock

Wonder which way it will go, only snowflakes may know

Whatever is gleaned, eitherway it will go Supreme



barysenter's picture

The senate can remove this judge from the bench the same way they put him there. Republican majority!

Clean out your desk Jimmy

DollarMenu's picture

In your dreams.

The Republican Senate has trouble finding it's collective ass.


Ex-Oligarch's picture

Ain't that the truth.  And a large proportion of republican senators will be only too happy to see unfettered immigration continue.  Today it's only the temporary visa freeze, tomorrow it could be the H1Bs or the agricultural workers or the millions of illegals that keep the labor costs incurred by their campaign contributors nice and low.  Half the republicans would love to see this little skirmish turn into a quagmire.

sgt_doom's picture

I don't know about this red/blue crapola:  remember it was LBJ (a supposed dem) who created the Border Industrialization Program which was hiring Mexican farm workers along the Texan border for cheaper labor than the American farm workers.

The Bankster Party, with it's faux crat wing and r-con wing, prefers massive refugee flows to globalize wages down for the workers and globalize housing costs up for the landlords and rentier class.

Ex-Oligarch's picture

I think you may have misunderstood me.  Point is, congressmen on both sides of the aisle have sucked in a fair amount of cash from their contributors who want to see large-scale immigration, no matter what they may say to their fed-up constituents.  It's just that republican voters are the ones unhappy about it, and Trump is making a political career out of acting on their concerns.

You can't expect republican congressmen to back up Trump on this issue any more than you could expect democrats to -- unless significant pressure is applied.  The fact that Trump approaches the political apparatus the way a hammer approaches a nail (or, at least, projects that image) makes his supporters hopeful that he'll pound the republican establishment back into line with the voters' wishes.

ADRtrader's picture

False, but why let the text of the Constitution stand in your way when 'alternative facts' are at hand?

Federal judicial appointments are for life.

barysenter's picture

Don't let your edumaction stand in the way of your living a kickass life, scro.


Kantbelieveit's picture

America has a villain addiction, so we crave terrorists like a junkie craves heroin. Without a bogeyman under every bed, we can't justify our insane "defense" spending. Politicians have realized that ANY terror threat can be inflated to justify ANY level of military spending and abuse of power. It is the gift that keeps on giving.


the6thBook's picture

Sorry, I don't want my family run over by a truck while doing Christmas shopping like in Nice.  And of course they won't put those babies on the TV, but they will put some drowned refugee babies on TV.