Trump Expects Putin To "Return" Crimea To Ukraine

Tyler Durden's picture

With every passing day, it appears that many of the anticipated foreign policy changes under the new administration may end up being nothing but smoke and mirrors. First, it was the middle east, where despite campaign promises of pulling back US troops, Trump is instead considering adding to US deployments to reinforce what he plans to be Syrian "safe zones."

Then, during today's Sean Spicer press conference, the White House spokesman had that President Trump has been "tough" on Russia and expects Moscow to “return” the Crimea peninsula to Ukraine, the White House spokesman told reporters. Addressing the resignation of National Security Adviser Michael Flynn – hounded by the media over his contacts with Russian diplomats prior to Trump’s inauguration – Spicer pointed out that Russia “seized” Crimea under the Obama administration and that the Trump-appointed ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley has “strongly denounced the Russian occupation.”

"President Trump has made it very clear that he expects the Russian government to de-escalate violence in the Ukraine and return Crimea," Spicer said at a daily news briefing. "At the same time, he fully expects to and wants to get along with Russia."

That may be problematic if indeed Trump plans to perpetuate the policies of his predecessor. On February, the Nikki Haley said at the UN Security Council that “Crimea is a part of Ukraine. Our Crimea-related sanctions will remain in place until Russia returns control of the peninsula to Ukraine."

Russian envoy Vitaly Churkin responded by citing the US Constitution and pointing out that Crimeans overwhelmingly voted to join Russia, after the US-backed coup in February 2014 overthrew the elected government in Kiev.

It is in the national and economic interest of the US to have a good relationship with Russia, Spicer explained, but said that Haley “speaks for the president” on the matter of Crimea.

Flynn’s resignation on Monday followed several weeks of media furor over his telephone conversation with the Russian ambassador to the US in December, after the outgoing Obama administration expelled 35 Russian diplomats and seized two properties. Moscow chose not to respond in kind. “There is nothing that General Flynn did that was a violation of any sort,” Spicer said, explaining that the adviser was asked to resign because of Trump’s “eroding trust” after Flynn’s accounts of the conversation to administration officials did not square with what was leaked to the media.

However, with Democrats smelling blood in the water over the sensitive topic of the Trump administration's alleged proximity to Russia, and even Republicans now calling for an exhaustive probe into Trump-Russia relations, recent events may have well set back any potential thaw in Russia-US relations indefinitely.

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SomethingSomethingDarkSide's picture

Fat chance, slim.  Crimea was repopulated with Russians after the Ukranian Nazis got beat out of the area..

Stainless Steel Rat's picture
Stainless Steel Rat (not verified) SomethingSomethingDarkSide Feb 14, 2017 5:41 PM

Yeah, because being part of the Ukraine has worked out so well for the ethnic Russians in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions.

Thought Processor's picture



Wait.........   is this real news or fake news?





Latina Lover's picture

Could be bad advice proferred by  the usual NeoCon scum, or it could be that Trump is positioning for negotiations with Russia by making outrageous demands, and then trading away Crimea for concessions in, say, Syria or against Iran, China.  

It won't matter because losing Crimea would destroy Russia's strategic position in the Black Sea, and open her southern flank to USSA aircraft carriers and nuclear emplacements.  Trump will never go to war to reclaim Crimea. If his did, his Trump tower wouild turn into a smoking radioactive hole.

BullyBearish's picture

Before you spend any more of your love or hope on trump, you'd better take a look at this 1988 documentary that trump kept from being aired.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but what appears here is a pattern of lies, deceit, theft, cronyism, ego on steroids, revenge and sociopathy that may even be over the top for a U.S. president.  Enjoy:

Latina Lover's picture

Trump is a far better president that the Criminal Hillary could ever be.  The old whore will be jail before she ever holds another public office.  Trump has all the dirt he needs to destroy her. You are wasting time trolling me.

nope-1004's picture

Ya be we're a country run by banks, not politicians or worse yet, CONgress.  It's a financial state, period.  If Crimea is a threat to the USD as reserve, Trump will confront Russia.

That's how money warps all reality.

F'n banks need to rot.

Pinto Currency's picture

This application 16-907 to the US Supreme Court to void the Presidential election based-upon Russian 'interference' must be given a response by Feb 21.

The Crimea comment looks like it is all about Russian optics and preventing a coup by the Supreme Court.\16-907.htm

p.s. copy and paste the entire SC link above to see the page for this SC application.

CheapBastard's picture

if Hillary had been elected we would be at full scale war with several countries (including the ones Hillary and Obama already have been bombing for years and there would be thousands of need;lessly dead American soldiers lyin gin bloody soil on foreign lands for nothing but 1) more neocon power; 2) big banker profits; and 3) the MIC.


The average American middle class family would be no better off and as Kissinger has said many times about this situation, this war would be disaster for average Americans.

Luc X. Ifer's picture

Told you, when one becomes POTUS he gets to see the evidence that the  commandments of the Georgia's Guidestone are very serious and a must.

Joe Trader's picture

How many of you still believe that NATO will get disbanded???? LOL

beemasters's picture

"...the Trump administration's alleged proximity to Russia,..."

Odd, it's the close proximity to Israel that everyone should be worried about.

SoilMyselfRotten's picture

What is it about Crimea voting 95% to cede to Russia that never makes it into these peoples narrative? 

two hoots's picture

This will have most Americans scratching their heads.    Seems he has defaulted to foreign issues and put America's on the back burner?   The world is not his stage. 

man of Wool's picture

What vote? No vote to remain part of Ukraine. Do you work for Russia or are you ignorant?

PT's picture

I'm quite sure that once the Ukraine gets returned to the Ukrainians, the Crimea "problem" will sort itself out with zero need for foreign interference.

Victor von Doom's picture

Bravo PT - well put. The US needs to pull its fucking nose out of where it does not belong, before it gets it kicked in.

Trump's domestic policies look ok - this warmongering shit has got to go though.

End the fucking Fed or prove just how worthless you are Trump.

Perimetr's picture

Here comes the new boss,

same as the old boss.

No change, little hope.

Krungle's picture

But he's not going to do a damn thing, is he? He's going to let Hillary troll him instead of releasing the emails. He's going to continue Hillary's war plans instead of getting Mossad to hand over the Epstein videos. His actions are looking more and more like they have real dirt on him.

WillyGroper's picture

GW posits mccabe as the leak.

dt needs to burn that pizza b4 he goes into the oven.

Got The Wrong No's picture

It appears the swamp is too deep. He probable fears for his life and that of his family. Hillary's tweet about Pizzagate and Flynn seams to be making more sense by the minute. She's gloating because she knows they have him by the balls.  

PT's picture

We can only hope that there are multiple copies of the evidence, held by multiple people who can no longer wait to go through official channels and present it all to the world.

BullyBearish's picture

This information has NOTHING to do with has everything to do with setting reasonable expectations about trump's behavior, proven over many years...

yovatti's picture
yovatti (not verified) BullyBearish Feb 14, 2017 6:06 PM

Ha ha ha.... I thought that this news would piss off all of the Russian government-financed trolls here.

Give it up boys. The simple act is that Ukraine is tiered of taking it up the ass from Russia. Trying to paint them as Nazis isn't working.



finametrics's picture

Easy doofus. nobody is "trying" to paint the ukis as nazi's. They're doing that all on their own. there's an unending display of it, if u cared to look.

In a semi related event, what's the going rate now for gayIA trolls?

Madison's_Ghost's picture

You are an historical illiterate.

Victor von Doom's picture

Hard to not "paint them as Nazis" when they are actual Nazis - no hyperbole at all.

Is-Be's picture


Opening spiel

Who is this man who rose so high and fell? so fast.

Allow me to make my own mind up. I'm allergic to propaganda. It gives me reflux and wind.

My impression is that we were given two gladiators to barrack for.

Trump had to show his loyalty to the Tribe before he "unexpectedly" rose to power.

But I hold my judgement in abeyance for now, because I may be wrong.

You,however, have no such humility. And that makes you a Bigot.

Giant Meteor's picture

I'll check it out and get back to ya. There was the whole Soros involvement going back to the late 90's. Tax returns are not feared due to losses carried forward, nor any other legal tax avoidance schemes, but more critically may show, exactly and with whom he was "in bed" with on, various schemes.

I figure the only reason why this point of (corruption) was not raised more than it was, i mean really hammered on, was what the fuck were they going to say really? You're a crook Don!? Because I know and you know these sharks swam / swim in the same dirty water, did / do  business with the same corrupt people, entities. Pay to play was not invented yesterday. Even the don himself has admitted battin for both teams ..

I mean what.? He suddenly had an epiphany? A change of heart in all that double dealin?

I voted for Trump, not because he had "clean hands" nor even that he was the cleanest dirty shirt, although sadly that may in fact be true. The prescribed "choices" you may remember were extremely, "limited." No, I voted for the don, in spite of his serious flaws, as he was assuredly the right choice to "expose" and tear off the bandaid FAST, on the the dirty secrets, big and small, that reasonable people are already in agreement with, irrefutable to anyone with sight, hearing and the capacity to reason objectively..

I voted for TRump for exactly, the reason, as things now occur. No surprises here, none, although I will say the "pace" is really something to behold.. The nation has suffered enough however, with slow, excruciatingly painful, pandering obstructionism, and lies of the political and economic  "elite",.

For better or worse, by hook or by crook, the mission is to expose ALL of this civil decay and political rot and get down to the real story of, who actually owns the real action. Trump is a bit player, but by God, he is proving just the right man to get it done! The trick for him, of course, is to somehow avoid getting caught in his own net and that I believe will prove a bridge to far.

Sad that it had to come to this .. but it is way past due, and vitally neccessary for human survival, in a world worth living in.

Good Luck

not dead yet's picture

Wow, a thirty year old hatchet job and you're ignorant enough to call it relevent.

Thought Processor's picture



Tough talk only on the part of the white house.  Putin will never cough up Crimea.  It was a tactical move to reinforce their existing base there, providing a southern sea link and a strong presence in the Ukraine.  


The west clearly wants the Ukraine under it's control though.  

Bumpo's picture

Trump officially is fucking up. Jesus, I thought he had a handle on what's really going on in Syria, Russia, Ukraine etc .. Obviously, Israel rules, as always.

evoila's picture

wait for it, wait for it....yeah, that's not going to happen.

Notveryamused's picture

Trump HAS to talk tough on Russia for the next few weeks after Flynn situation adds fuel to the fake Russia narrative.

Every attack just makes him more resolute to obliterate the establishment, but you can't sail in a 'leaky' ship with a crew you don't trust. He needs more time to get his house in order and may give some establishment appeasing sound-bites in the meantime.

Rubicon727's picture

"Trump HAS to talk tough on Russia for the next few weeks after Flynn situation adds fuel to the fake Russia narrative.

Every attack just makes him more resolute to obliterate the establishment, but you can't sail in a 'leaky' ship with a crew you don't trust. He needs more time to get his house in order and may give some establishment appeasing sound-bites in the meantime."


I only wish you were correct. However, these hegemonic intel/military/financial powers are far more powerful than Trump. They've done their dirty deed with Flynn, and now, with what Spicer said about Russia/Crimea, the White House is in the pockets of these bottom-dwelling, heartless humans.

It's all over for Trump, folks.

general ambivalent's picture

He does have a handle on it. This is the plan. Wake the fuck up.

Victor von Doom's picture

Just a note for clarity: The seizure of Crimea was done tactically. It was done for strategic reasons however.

Tactically basically means "in a safe way".

Strategic means - "In accordance to long term needs and advantage".


Volkodav's picture

these outrageous demands positionings" or whatever are,

President Trump losing respect



MaxThrust's picture

If Crimea is to go back to Ukraine then the Crimean population should have a say in the matter via a referendum.

Dabooda's picture

Crimea already had a referendum in 2015, and over 95% voted to join Russia.  This move of Trump's is stupid and anti-demotcratic (big whoop) -- it's like something I'd expect from Clinton. 

MaxThrust's picture

I know they had a referendum in 2015, that's why I said if there is to be any change in the status of Crimea it has to be the people of that region who decide, not faceless bureaucrats.

Vigilante's picture

Crimea will go back only as a result of WW3

Assuming Russia loses..

Youri Carma's picture

After WWIII there won't be any Crimea nor will there be an U.S. of A.

general ambivalent's picture

The apologetics from some of you fools never ceases to amaze...

Russia isn't going to see anything in regards to Crimea as bargaining. They will see it for what it is, ridiculous bullying played off as propaganda for the masses so that they will come to accept a greater war. It's called 'moral exhaustion'.

The other aspect that they see, which the general Western population does not, is in the greater game of Atlanticism vs Eurasia. The West is clearly prepping for war, and all of these proxy battles act as distraction and destabilization.

new game's picture

who is the sec of state? unbelievable.

jeez, depressing. fucken eh, russia is not the enemy, can they get that through their thick fucking neocon skulls? keep pushing russia and it aint gonna be pretty. i put myself in russias position and wonder when they have had enough of the pax americana creeping to their doorstep. worst shit i've read

Giant Meteor's picture

My hunch is, this is real, fake news or fake real news ..

Btw, sorry about Crimea and stuff. Our bad. We'll give it back when hell freezes over, or DT becomes Czar of Russia, whichever comes first.

Oh, and about that Snowden thing ...


TheEndIsNear's picture

We can only hope that it is fake news. I can't believe Trump can be that stupid.

lostintheflood's picture

crimea will never leave russia again...that is all.

Whoa Dammit's picture

Whut? Seems like we have gone down the NeoCon rabbit hole this week.