The Public Should Demand To See The Michael Flynn Transcript

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Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

The United States is much better off without Michael Flynn serving as national security adviser. But no one should be cheering the way he was brought down.

 

The whole episode is evidence of the precipitous and ongoing collapse of America’s democratic institutions — not a sign of their resiliency. Flynn’s ouster was a soft coup (or political assassination) engineered by anonymous intelligence community bureaucrats. The results might be salutary, but this isn’t the way a liberal democracy is supposed to function.

 

President Trump was roundly mocked among liberals for that tweet. But he is, in many ways, correct. These leaks are an enormous problem. And in a less polarized context, they would be recognized immediately for what they clearly are: an effort to manipulate public opinion for the sake of achieving a desired political outcome. It’s weaponized spin.

 

In a liberal democracy, how things happen is often as important as what happens. Procedures matter. So do rules and public accountability. The chaotic, dysfunctional Trump White House is placing the entire system under enormous strain. That’s bad. But the answer isn’t to counter it with equally irregular acts of sabotage — or with a disinformation campaign waged by nameless civil servants toiling away in the surveillance state.

 

– From The Week article: America’s Spies Anonymously Took Down Michael Flynn. That is Deeply Worrying.

I never intended to write about the Michael Flynn affair. I figured it had been covered to death and I probably wouldn’t have anything to add to the conversation. That said, I hadn’t been following the story closely so I decided to get caught up by reading a diverse selection of articles on the topic. One of my favorite sources on such subjects is Glenn Greenwald, and I eagerly read his latest piece on the matter: The Leakers Who Exposed Gen. Flynn’s Lie Committed Serious — and Wholly Justified — Felonies.

There are several key points he outlines in the piece, most of which I agree with. First, he proves that the leakers committed serious felonies under the law. Second, he states that if illegal leaks lead to the disclosure of information that is clearly very much in the public interest, then such action is not only justified, but ethically necessary. I agree with this as well. Where he doesn’t really convince me, is the argument that this particular leak represented some sort of great public service. He writes:

This Flynn episode underscores another critical point: The motives of leakers are irrelevant. It’s very possible — indeed, likely — that the leakers here were not acting with benevolent motives. Nobody with a straight face can claim that lying to the public is regarded in official Washington as some sort of mortal sin; if anything, the contrary is true: It’s seen as a job requirement.

 

Moreover, Gen. Flynn has many enemies throughout the intelligence and defense community. The same is true, of course, of Donald Trump; recall that just a few weeks ago, Democratic Sen. Chuck Schumer warned Trump that he was being “really dumb” to criticize the intelligence community because “they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you.”

 

It’s very possible — I’d say likely — that the motive here was vindictive rather than noble. Whatever else is true, this is a case where the intelligence community, through strategic (and illegal) leaks, destroyed one of its primary adversaries in the Trump White House.

 

But no matter. What matters is not the motive of the leaker but the effects of the leak. Any leak that results in the exposure of high-level wrongdoing — as this one did — should be praised, not scorned and punished.

Glenn’s conclusion here is that the Flynn leak exposed high-level wrongdoing. What wrongdoing are we talking about specifically? Yes, it seems he clearly lied to the public and Mike Pence about the content of his conversation with the Russian ambassador. The lie to Mike Pence in particular led to Pence embarrassing himself publicly by repeating that lie, and this betrayal seems to be the primary motivator (from my seat) of why Trump fired him. Others are referring to potential violations of the Logan Act, but as we learned from Lawfare:

Flynn certainly breached protocol. He may also have broken the law by interfering with U.S. diplomatic efforts while still a private citizen, which is forbidden by the Logan Act. The centuries-old law is vague, however, and has never resulted in a conviction. Furthermore, there may be significant First Amendment problems with enforcing it. Officials became more alarmed when Flynn was not forthcoming with Vice President-Elect Pence and others, possibly including federal agents, about the conversations. Those officials feared that Flynn’s dissembling might open up him up to risks of blackmail.

Yes, Flynn was a private citizen, but he was less than a month away from being a high-level government official, and the Obama administration was doing everything it possibly could to antagonize Russia during its last few weeks in office. I’m not justifying what Flynn said in those conversations, or the lies he told about it, but there’s a key problem with this whole leak. It wasn’t really a leak meant to inform the public. It was a leak to specific journalists, at specific papers, with a clear intent of political assassination through the manipulation of public opinion via cryptic releases of filtered information.

For example, here’s how the New York Times reported on the information in its February 9 article, Flynn Is Said to Have Talked to Russians About Sanctions Before Trump Took Office:

WASHINGTON — Weeks before President Trump’s inauguration, his national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn, discussed American sanctions against Russia, as well as areas of possible cooperation, with that country’s ambassador to the United States, according to current and former American officials.

 

Throughout the discussions, the message Mr. Flynn conveyed to the ambassador, Sergey I. Kislyak — that the Obama administration was Moscow’s adversary and that relations with Russia would change under Mr. Trump — was unambiguous and highly inappropriate, the officials said.

 

But current and former American officials said that conversation — which took place the day before the Obama administration imposed sanctions on Russia over accusations that it used cyberattacks to help sway the election in Mr. Trump’s favor — ranged far beyond the logistics of a post-inauguration phone call. And they said it was only one in a series of contacts between the two men that began before the election and also included talk of cooperating in the fight against the Islamic State, along with other issues.

 

The officials said that Mr. Flynn had never made explicit promises of sanctions relief, but that he had appeared to leave the impression it would be possible.

How do we know what was really said without the transcript?

During the Christmas week conversation, he urged Mr. Kislyak to keep the Russian government from retaliating over the coming sanctions — it was an open secret in Washington that they were in the works — by telling him that whatever the Obama administration did could be undone, said the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were discussing classified material.

 

Federal officials who have read the transcript of the call were surprised by Mr. Flynn’s comments, since he would have known that American eavesdroppers closely monitor such calls. They were even more surprised that Mr. Trump’s team publicly denied that the topics of conversation included sanctions.

 

Prosecutions in these types of cases are rare, and the law is murky, particularly around people involved in presidential transitions. The officials who had read the transcripts acknowledged that while the conversation warranted investigation, it was unlikely, by itself, to lead to charges against a sitting national security adviser.

I have so many issues with the above reporting it’s hard to know where to start. Everything mentioned above is given to us secondhand via “anonymous American officials.” Nowhere do I see any specific quotes from the transcript, despite the fact that the paper admits it talked with federal officials who read it. Why not? Why must we hear about the content of the transcripts secondhand from anonymous officials? This is the most significant red flag with this whole story. If the leakers were truly interested in transparency, and wanted the public to know the truth, why not leak the transcript to Wikileaks and let the public decide?

I’ll tell you why. They didn’t do this because transparency was never the goal here. They wanted to illegally use intelligence information to take a scalp from a Trump administration they hate, and they knew they could do this via mainstream media journalists. I know what you’re thinking, Edward Snowden didn’t leak everything to Wikileaks either. He likewise picked a few journalists and trusted them to responsibly report the information. How is this any different?

It’s different in two important respects. First, we are talking about a single transcript, or a few transcripts, as opposed to the enormous intelligence data-dump that Snowden provided. Secondly, The Intercept and others who reported on the Snowden material provided a huge amount of primary source documentation for the public to see so that it could come to its own conclusion. They didn’t simply tell everyone what to think about leaked documents while refusing to share any actual content. Where are the specific, comprehensive quotes from the Flynn transcript? Why doesn’t the public have a right to see the entire thing? Instead, we are being told what happened and what to think via secondhand anonymous sources. Sorry, but this doesn’t cut it for me.

I have yet to see any excerpts from the transcript. All I’ve seen is what anonymous officials say was discussed. This is absurd. We the people should demand the content of the relevant transcripts so we can decide for ourselves just how bad Flynn’s actions were. In the absence of this, we’re essentially being manipulated on a massive scale by rogue intelligence agents and told what to think through the major newspapers. This doesn’t cut it for me. I want to see the content of these conversations so I can make up my own mind. Perhaps it’s even worse than we know. So be it. We should be treated as adults and allowed to see the actual conversation if it’s going to be made into a story of such huge national importance.

Finally, I want to end with the mind-boggling absurdity of those who wanted Edward Snowden’s head on a platter, but are somehow ok with these leaks. As Lawfare explains:

Furthermore, these leaks are criminal. As Edward Snowden has learned, the Espionage Act makes intentional disclosure of classified “communications intelligence activities” a felony if such disclosure is made in a “manner prejudicial to the safety or interest of the United States or for the benefit of any foreign government . . . .”  18 U.S.C. § 798(a). This particular group of leakers might argue their motives were in defense of U.S. interests—to protect the nation from national security policy guided by a hand tainted by Russian influence—but under current law, that argument is highly unlikely to prevail. As Snowden well knows, there is no public interest defense to prosecution for violations of the Espionage Act.

Somehow I doubt the Flynn leakers will find themselves in the same position as Snowden, scrambling to get to a country that will provide them safe haven from the vast, vindictive reach of the U.S. government. That’s because the leakers in this case are powerful operatives of the deep state. As Greenwald explained:

It’s hard to put into words how strange it is to watch the very same people — from both parties, across the ideological spectrum — who called for the heads of Edward Snowden, Chelsea Manning, Tom Drake, and so many other Obama-era leakers today heap praise on those who leaked the highly sensitive, classified SIGINT information that brought down Gen. Flynn.

 

It’s even more surreal to watch Democrats act as though lying to the public is some grave firing offense when President Obama’s top national security official, James Clapper, got caught red-handed not only lying to the public but also to Congress — about a domestic surveillance program that courts ruled was illegal. And despite the fact that lying to Congress is a felony, he kept his job until the very last day of the Obama presidency.

 

But this is how political power and the addled partisan brain in D.C. functions. Those in power always regard leaks as a heinous crime, while those out of power regard them as a noble act. They seamlessly shift sides as their position in D.C. changes.

Finally, if you want to get a sense of the mindset behind the most adamant defenders of the Flynn leaks, take a look at the following tweets from former NSA analyst and Naval War College professor, John Schindler.

If that’s “the resistance,” I want no part of it. As I summarized on Twitter:

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Stan522's picture

Witch hunt by devilcRAT's...

 

GUS100CORRINA's picture

This whole situation just shows how corrupt the SWAMP really is in the year 2017.

Damage done in the last 16 years maybe irreversible.

07564111's picture

he posted to deflect attention from elsewhere ;)

wanglee's picture

Not only democrats rigged Primary to elect Clinton as presidential candidate last year even though she has poor judgement (violating government cyber security policy) and is incompetent (her email server was not secured) when she was the Secretary of State, and was revealed to be corrupt by Bernie Sanders during the Primary, but also democrats encourage illegal immigration, discourage work, and “conned” young voters with free college/food/housing/health care/Obama phone.
However middle class/working class used their common senses voting against her last November. Therefore I am not impressed with the “integrity” and “judgement” of democrats, Anti-Trump protesters, and media who donated/endorsed Clinton during presidential election.

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Creative_Destruct's picture

"It wasn’t really a leak meant to inform the public. It was a leak to specific journalists, at specific papers, with a clear intent of political assassination through the manipulation of public opinion via cryptic releases of filtered information."

It was a leak "weaponized" for political assassination. Period.

If it wasn't, why wasn't the substance (transcript of conversations) also leaked?? Too tame?? Better to smear by innuendo and let demons grow in peoples imaginations.

"...crypric releases of filtered information"

Escrava Isaura's picture

Krieger: "the resistance" seems to consist primarily of violent social justice warriors, and deep state sycophants. No thanks.

Social justice warriors? Does Krieger means ideologue bloggers that don’t care about facts either?

 

BennyBoy's picture

 

I guess I couldn't handle the truth that a private citizen was spied upon by our truthful, honest spook agencies.

I feel faint....

corsair's picture

You conveniently omitted the key word "violent" in your question.

Rabbi Chaim Cohen's picture

Smashing windows and setting things on fire isn't blogging. You got that, right?

We know your peeps in America are having a psychotic "moment" right now, but let's not veer off into uncontrolled spin. Call a spade a spade.

SoDamnMad's picture

Correcto.  Obama sticks the wasp nest with a stick and Flynn calls to perhaps prevent the wasps from retalliating with horrible stings on perhaps some innocents.  OK leaking this illegal wire tap (or not so illegal) is a felony. Lying is illegal EXCEPT IF YOU ARE DIRECTOR CLAPPER.

So let's hear EXACTLY WHAT WAS SAID,  BY WHOM.  NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS.

 

SoilMyselfRotten's picture

Actually this may have been helpful. We know the C-eye-A has plants in the press. Who broke these stories? Can we start making a list?

NoDebt's picture

Hey, if this guy was a Russian agent maybe we should ask why Obama put him in charge of the DIA and kept thim there since 2012.

<crickets>

The Ds don't get to take the high ground on this.  He's an Obama guy through-and-through.  Trump foolishly let him hang around in a different position (National Security Advisor) and look what happened.

Trump should do a "scorched earth" policy and blow out every fucking Obama appointee on the books.  If Reagan could fire all the air traffic controllers, Trump can do this.

 

Mycroft Holmes IV's picture

Flynn, with Dempsey, led the rebellion against Obama in 2013 when they refused to provide Al Qaeda air cover in Syria. The CIA then created ISIS which spun out of control and invaded Iraq. The DIA, which Flynn led, worked with Russian and German intelligence agencies to help fight ISIS in Syria.

All in Military to Military: https://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n01/seymour-m-hersh/military-to-military

Flynn wanted to go after the spooks in the deep state and they knew it.

We'll see how the vaccine and pedo stuff goes down. If big players start getting arrested, things might turn hot.

 

Chupacabra-322's picture

"Things might turn hot?" Suffice it to say it's been red hot since the Deep State Treasonous Leak.

It's open, in your face Criminality of Epic proportions. The Criminal Fraud UNITED STATES, CORP. INC. & its Vermin Moinions are beyond "Corruption."

It's those Select Highly Compartmentalized Criminal Pure Evil Rogue Elements at the Deep State Top that have had control since the JFK Execution that have entrenched themselves for decades & refuse to relinquish Control.

The 17 Intel "Agencies", its infrastructure, contractors & sub contractors need to be dismantled. Beginning & not ending with the Pure Evil War Criminal Treasonous Psychopaths at the

C I A

The Agency is Cancer. Why are we even waiting for them to kill another one of our people to act? There should be no question about the CIA's future in the US.

Dissolved & dishonored. Its members locked away or punished for Treason. Their reputation is so bad and has been for so long, that the fact that you joined them should be enough to justify arrest and Execution for Treason, Crimes Against Humanity & Crimes Against The American People.

detached.amusement's picture

ISIS came before that - see al zarqawi split, AQ in Iraq, then AQ went silent when they told the spooks they wouldnt commit those sorts of atrocities.   that's why ISIS is merely AQ 2.0 more eveil and meaner.  that's why they had to get a mossad guy to head it up.

that was all before the syrian campaign started.

Mycroft Holmes IV's picture

Interesting - I'll have to follow up on that.

Wasn't the whole purpose of ISIS to overthrow the Syrian regime and install an Arabian-friendly government that would build the Qatari gas pipeline through Turkey to Europe?

That is also why overthrowing Ukraine was essential as the existing government was looking to work more with Russia.

It's all about keeping us on a limited supply of energy, of which they control.

Jäger's picture

*damage done since Nov 22, 1963

yogibear's picture

"Damage done in the last 16 years maybe irreversible."

Correct. The swamp creatures are too entrenched.

Arnold's picture

Get out of the way yogi.

I'll take your place.

And do a better job.

junction's picture

Russian phone caller: "I am trying to reach Flynn's Bar & Grill."

Flynn: "My name is Flynn but I work for the government, I am not a bartender."

Russian: "you will be soon enough, Hillary's friends guarantee that happening."

 

SoDamnMad's picture

I understand he had created a business though nobody reports what it is, I assume as some lobbyist.  I wish him the best of luck with that. Thank you for your years of service. Years of being assigned to crap hole parts of the world to do shit ass assignments of the politicians and spooks in charge. 

Then let'a go back to Flynn's objections to the Iran deal and bundles of cash and letting them off the hook. I have to ask. If Israel was so adamant about this terrible deal WHY THE HELL  are the zionist-run American media crying from his ass on a stick.  I guess they want Iran to have to bomb. Great, I can tell you where to use it.

tilon's picture

The danger against democracy is against we the people and if anybody is betraying our nation should be held accountable for their acts Trump clearly is a traitor .miller and Bannon lock them up

redc1c4's picture

meanwhile, back here in rality...

Dude, you gotta take your meds every day.

doomchild's picture

I was just thinking about the same, I swear !! Is it possible to file a FOIA request to get the transcript ? I guess they'll quote some bullshit about national security to not release it. 

I think Trump supporters should rally to get this transcript released so that it becomes clear that the lying spying spooks are the criminals here. Why should only the liberal scum be the ones to create noise? Now is the time for Trump supporters to rally behind and defend Flynn. Otherwise he will just be another martyr for a lost cause. 

Bill of Rights's picture

Washington isn't a Swamp, it's a fucken Brownfield.

Arnold's picture

Lotsa mercury snorters.

Gave us the Mad Hatters.

agNau's picture

First we have to pass it. Then we see what's in it.

Slow class.

Reaper's picture

Same old government trick of providing transcripts rather than actual tapes. This the M.O. of the FBI to manage/massage what was said with an unverifiable transcript. https://boingboing.net/2013/05/07/dont-ever-speak-to-the-fbi-w.html

What is truth from the NSA? The transcribers claim anything they want. The FBI lied for years in trials. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/21/fbi-jail-hair-mass-disas...

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who verifies these verifiers? Are spy agencies a neo-Praetorian Guard? Will they chose our new President as the Roman Praetorian guard selected Claudius? Or remove our Presidents? http://www.history.com/news/history-lists/8-things-you-may-not-know-abou...

Trust in spies is a fool's opiate.

07564111's picture

Are spy agencies a neo-Praetorian Guard?

5 Eyes + 1

WTFUD's picture

If you've got something to say on the National Intelligence Circuit, say it face to face and do like the NFL coaches do on the sidelines and cover your mouth; never ever talk on the phone, that's pure schoolboy.

HRH Feant's picture

Flynn was head of the DNI. He knew everything he said would be recorded.

This was a honeypot and the Obama folks fell for it hook, line, and sinker.

Trump sacrificed a pawn but who will they sacrifice? A knight or higher.

Next move!

BarnacleBill's picture

You make an excellent point, Feant. It's a real possibility. Hope you're right.

Got The Wrong No's picture

Flynn will still operate in the back ground. This isn't over.

HRH Feant's picture

I agree. Nothing makes it illegal for he and Trump to play a few rounds of golf or for Trump to invite him to Mara Lago for the weekend.

Flynn is a Marine. A lifer marine corps general. I don't care what CNN or MSNBC say about him, Flynn is a hero. Semper Fi. The shit that the bullshit MSM tries to stick on Flynn is going to be a complete fail.

I want to know which assholes snitched / leaked Flynn's transcripts to the fucking NYT yellow rag? Seriously? Someone at the NSA thought it was a "good idea" to leak the transcript of Flynn's call? To the NYT? This makes Snowden look like a fucking hero! At least Snowden leaked shit that was for the benefit of everyone and not just a few butt kissers in DC.

I hate the NSA. You have control over the ring of power. You had better wield that power well, and carefully, or some of us will march to Mordor on the Potomac and stop you in your tracks.

We don't even have to show up in DC to cripple you. We can shut down the power and water supply to your little data hub in Utah and all of that data will go up in smoke. Poof. Buh-bye. No more data because it was fried.

As Lord Acton said: "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

HRH Feant's picture

It isn't a matter of being right. It is a matter of logic. Flynn is a 3-star lifer Marine Corps general. That worked in intelligence. Flynn didn't get to that level because he was a butt kisser or stupid. He got to that level because he has integrity and is a leader.

I am not a democrat but Flynn could show up in my neighborhood and I would follow him to the ends of the earth. Would I engage in criminal acts? No. Would I help him to defend the US Constitution? Absolutely.

Flynn was head of the DNI. Think about that for a minute. This guy didn't fall of the local political turnip truck and say howdy-doody yesterday.

Flynn is a professional.

CrankyCurmudgeon's picture

Hay Zoos.  A three star general is at least a knight, not a pawn. It was the fucking trumpsters that had him talking to the Russian ambassador. The Russian ambassador has not had an unrecorded phone call since some time in the 1920s.

Amateur fucking term at the white house. Did you get the pic of the Canadian PM looking ready to spit? 

HRH Feant's picture

Knights can be sacrificed in the same way you sacrifice a pawn.

It is an opening move simply to get the ball rolling and see who starts moving.

I stand by my premise that Flynn was well aware of his role, and chose that role, on purpose. Flynn is a marine, head of DNI. He is not stupid. Flynn went into this with his eyes open and knew the outcome in advance. That was his job. He knew it. Trump knew it.

Like I said, above, Flynn was a honeypot.

As for Trudeau? Don't make me laugh. He has so many puppet masters pulling his strings he can't jump fast enough!

Bay of Pigs's picture

Trudeau is a spineless faggot.

OverTheHedge's picture

So, would I be right in suggesting that there are two scenarios - one, where Trump is in control, at least of his own team, and is making some serious strategic and tactical plays, or Trump is a chaotic loon running a team of clowns who couldn't spot a custard pie if it was given to them on a plate?

Either Machiavelli or Mr Magoo. Take you pick - I know which one the media have run with....

Mr.BlingBling's picture

"I knew there would be a pony in here somewhere!"

HRH Feant: your string of perspicacious comments--concepts that I hadn't even considered individually much less synthesized--are this week's example of why I still read through all of the bullshit now clogging this board.

detached.amusement's picture

I remember the Garfield cartoon where he said that after thrashing a dish of food all over the place, haha

Got The Wrong No's picture

You are a Moron if you think Flynn is still not working for Trump behind the scene Libs can't think past their big mouths. 

Arnold's picture

This is going to be great!!!

 

--Flounder

doomchild's picture

The way these people are going after an innocent man, it is quite obvious that this so-called intelligence community is no different from the FSB that they so deeply loathe. I won't be surprised if Gen. Flynn would be accidentally nail-gunned by these satanic creatures, god forbid. At least the russian intelligence on the face seems deeply loyal to their leadership and country. The US "intelligence" community is revealing themselves to be a bunch of snakes only loyal to their neo-con masters. Remember those fake Iraq wmds these guys created so that America could be dragged to war and the neo-con masters could make it rich ? I am guessing that these assholes also leaked info about the Navy SEAL raid that happened last month which resulted in one US service member death. This is actual treason. I am quite surprised that the US military is very quietly watching on the sidelines while these treacherous bastards go wild. 

Jäger's picture

The guy that runs the US had a meeting and press conference w/ Trump today.

NullShrub's picture

The Flynn situation is obviously a partisan exercise, but it some ways it is karma that men like Flynn and President Trump who were all about The Patriot Act and how Snowden was a traitor, are now being hoisted by their own petard.  

A Dollar Short's picture

How interessting this crap is.  There is no transcript of Flynn's conversation and the entire News world seems to have verbal diarrhea today about it.

What else happened today that was way more important than this BS?

 

 

Youri Carma's picture

Trump and also Flynn's strategy on the whole matter is wrong. Never deny a lie which already is in the open but spin it. He could have said that he was simply establishing ‘diplomatic relations’ to prevent further escalation of war for example. But it seems that not only the American people have dumbed down but also it's leaders.

"Does anyone care what Americans think? They're the worst-educated people in the First World. They don't have any thoughts,they have emotional responses, which good advertisers know how to provoke."

FROM: Gore Vidal: ‘We’ll Have a Dictatorship Soon in the US’
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2009/09/30/gore-vidal-well-have-dictato...

"This isn't a country, it's an American aircraft carrier."

FROM: Gore Vidal's United States of fury
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/gore-vidals-united-stat...

Jäger's picture

Trump looked weak on this- the jackals are emboldened