On The Verge Of Treason: US Spies Withhold Intelligence From Trump

Tyler Durden's picture

Following President Trump's exclamations today with regard "un-American" leaks of classified intel, it appears he has a bigger, more serious problem on his hands. WSJ reports that US intel officials have withheld information from President Trump due to concerns it could be leaked or compromised.

The Wall Street Journal, citing unidentified current and former officials familiar with the matter, reports that officials’ decision to keep information from Mr. Trump underscores the deep mistrust that has developed between the intelligence community and the president over his team’s contacts with the Russian government, as well as the enmity he has shown toward U.S. spy agencies. On Wednesday, Mr. Trump accused the agencies of leaking information to undermine him.

In some of these cases of withheld information, officials have decided not to show Mr. Trump the sources and methods that the intelligence agencies use to collect information, the current and former officials said. Those sources and methods could include, for instance, the means that an agency uses to spy on a foreign government.

In some ways Trump may not care: according to the WSK, "Trump doesn’t immerse himself in intelligence information, and it isn’t clear that he has expressed a desire to know sources and methods. The intelligence agencies have been told to dramatically pare down the president’s daily intelligence briefing, both the number of topics and how much information is described under each topic, an official said. Compared with his immediate predecessors, Mr. Trump so far has chosen to rely less on the daily briefing than they did."

However, now that the WSJ brought up this topic, one can be absolutely sure the first demand Trump will make during his next intel briefing: "show me all the information." That's when things could get rough.

The officials quoted by the WSJ emphasized they know of no instance in which crucial information about security threats or potential plotting has been omitted, although if indeed "some" information is withheld, it is the functional equivalent of Trump making decisions blind.

While a White House official said: “There is nothing that leads us to believe that this is an accurate account of what is actually happening”, Rep. Adam Schiff (D., Calif.), the ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, said he has heard concerns from officials about sharing especially sensitive information with Mr. Trump.

“I’ve talked with people in the intelligence community that do have concerns about the White House, about the president, and I think those concerns take a number of forms,” Mr. Schiff said, without confirming any specific incidents.


“What the intelligence community considers their most sacred obligation is to protect the very best intelligence and to protect the people that are producing it.”

So, why are they worried?

The current and former officials said the decision to avoid revealing sources and methods with Mr. Trump stems in large part from the president’s repeated expressions of admiration for Russian President Vladimir Putin and his call, during the presidential campaign for Russia to continue hacking the emails of his Democratic rival, Hillary Clinton.

As the long-running tensions between the pro-Hillary intelligence community and President Trump rise, it is becoming increasingly clear that this escalating distrust between the top US spies on one hand and the White House on the other, will lead to a vicious circle of less information-sharing and implicitly more distrust until Trump moves from tweet-castigation to treason charges, or alternatively the spooks dig deep into the NSA server's bag of goodies, and unleash full out mutiny (see John Schindler's narrative for big details how this may play out).


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Son of Captain Nemo's picture

"No" "No" the intelligence community IC has died many... many... deaths over the last 50 years.

But the "nail in the coffin" that destroyed it from within was 9/11!

The media can yell and scream about removing through "jail" or "murder" Donald "Yeltsin" all they like. Cause with or without President Donald your epitaph and descent into pure madness started and ended with your creation called "the war on terror"!

$24 trillion in "red ink" and the destruction of 6 sovereign Nation(s) LATER which has turned the only players left with abundant "energy" that matter outside the EU/NATO against you....

NOW you can't even piss your way out of a paper bag!


D Nyle's picture

Shouldn't they be doing their Jobs like: Spying on Americans, entrapping Americans, Manipulating stocks/gold/Dollars, etc...

max2205's picture

That nerd Sfiff gives me the creeps 

wanglee's picture
wanglee (not verified) max2205 Feb 15, 2017 9:44 PM

Not only democrats rigged Primary to elect Clinton as presidential candidate last year even though she has poor judgement (violating government cyber security policy) and is incompetent (her email server was not secured) when she was the Secretary of State, and was revealed to be corrupt by Bernie Sanders during the Primary, but also democrats encourage illegal immigration, discourage work, and “conned” young voters with free college/food/housing/health care/Obama phone.
However middle class/working class used their common senses voting against her last November. Therefore I am not impressed with the “integrity” and “judgement” of democrats, Anti-Trump protesters, and media who donated/endorsed Clinton during presidential election.

Cashing in: Illegal immigrants get $1,261 more welfare than American families, $5,692 vs. $4,431 (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/cashing-in-illegal-immigrants-get-1261...)
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FBI boss Comey's 7 most damning lines on Clinton (http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/05/politics/fbi-clinton-email-server-comey-da...).
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philipat's picture

Trump needs to fight back quick and hard. The IC swamp needs draining. It might be a good time to announce a new Independent enquiry into 9/11 with full subpeona powers and start to leak Hillary's "lost" emails. Two can play this fucking game?

techpriest's picture

Also, if they aren't doing their job, can we stop paying them? Maybe they should forfeit their pensions out of protest?

Obadiah's picture

techpreist  EXACT-FUCK-LY   take thier ill gotten gains now and into the future



Occident Mortal's picture

Trump should withhold their pay.

If the intel community can't report its findings to the government then it serves no purpose at all.

SoilMyselfRotten's picture

He's better off getting his own intel sources than their potentially fabricated briefings at this point. He obviously doesn't buy their BS on Russia.

VinceFostersGhost's picture



Melania Trump is Miserable with her Life in The White House


Suck it up buttercup.....we all have our sacrifices to make.

Joe Davola's picture

Well, if the stories are true - intel was withheld from FDR and his communist cabinet.

fleur de lis's picture

FDR was a lousy traitor.

During WW1 he was Navy Secy and he had specially marked ships that were loaded with food to go to Germany with food to keep the war going since Germany was landlocked. 

The Agriculture Secy Herbert Hoover loaded the food onto special trains to the ports.

Notice how they were both amply rewarded by their pimps.

FDR confiscated gold from Americans and jailed anyone who would not comply.

He did this to us because he and his Rothschild friends needed to stuff the new Ft. Knox with gold so they ripped off Americns.

Ft. Knox was built for that purpose.

During WW2 he was part of the gang that instigatied the Japanese into bombing Pearl Harbor.

He was a Rothschild concubine.

Dragged this country into two world wars because he was oredered to do so and he happily complied.





TxExPat's picture

During the 1st 2 years of WW I the US was a neutral country.  Open trade with both sides was both legal and policy. 

Unrestricted Submarine Warfare (and the Zimmerman telegram) gradually put an end to that.... 

Point being, that at the start of the War, you are basically accusing him of doing his job... 

If you are going to spread poison, you might as well spread accurate poison...  (it's more believeable when accurate).



fleur de lis's picture

I am not spreading poison, you idiot.

Clearly you memorized your NWO "history" books.

Good boy!

Hope they gave you a nice big fat Bolshevik star!

WW1 was planned in the 1890's to take down four empires and consolidate the money supply.    

The Federal Parasite Reserve/IRS twins were hatched at the same time to rip off the American people and fund wars, conflicts, revolutions, etc.

Here's some reading your teachers would never dare assign to you and your stupid classmates, even if by chance they were smart enough to know the truth:


Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution, by Antony Sutton



Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler, by Antony Sutton



The Triumph of Unarmed Forces, by British Admiral Consett



If you are going to admonish me please spare me your NWO propaganda.

Didn't they teach you in NWO history class that you should always follow the money?

It's your own fault for lapping up the CIA/NWO version of history/lies without questions.

You never looked past what was fed to you.

And I bet you still believe the raunchy fairy tale about the 19 Islamics who took down the WTC.



Yog Soggoth's picture

Shiff is basically saying I am one of the many leaks, and you have a faction of disloyal intelligence operatives that need to be on trial. Heard it first at the WSJ!

ReZn8r's picture

WSJ has a way of being the first to bring forth the real shit.

fleur de lis's picture

Look on the bright side -- at least now we have confirmation of what we suspected or knew all along -- that the "intelligence" community and the MSM were colluding to deceive the American people.

The media outlets have proven themselves beyond any doubt that they are nothing but overpaid peddlers of lies.

There has to be a money trail.

A nice, big, fat illegal one.

Maybe some AV and pix.

Trump will have to somehow separate the wheat from the far more expansive chaff if he wants to get them under control.



caconhma's picture

Trump is a incompetent buffoon and POS. He is not a fighter. He is a Tweeting fucking asshole Don and a clown!

Government needs you to pay taxes's picture

Stop eating shit.  Start eating copper-jacketed lead.

MaxThrust's picture

wow, such an enligtening post. You must have a degree from the Moron Mental Health institute.

petar's picture

It will take years for conservatives to figure out that he is a clown

Got The Wrong No's picture

Soros Trolls a fucking ass holes. Probable the same asroturfing piece of shit. 

Cloud9.5's picture

Had I said that about your president, you would have called me a racist and had me run from the public forum, and I am not even white.  As for the intelligence community, there is not just one.  It is a hydra with many heads.  From what I have seen with their activities in Vietnam, their assertions that the Soviet Union would crush us, and their absolute conviction that weapons of mass destruction existed in Iraq, I can only assume one of two things:  Either their claimed title of intelligence agencies is an oxymoron or the are professional deceptionists in the employ of the various factions that would herd the public into supporting their various economic and political schemes


These briefings might be as important as listing to a snake oil salesmen’s promotion of his product. 

poeg's picture

This. The biggest sales pitches ALWAYS follow "We saved your ass again, in a method you wouldn't understand and we can't tell you of, but that has to warrant us some serious $$$ right?" They may as well be peddling antivirus software.

Herd Redirection Committee's picture

What is a... racket?  Creating the problems you purport to solve?

Intelligence agencies and secret societies are both basically organized crime fronts.  The intelligence agency is basically the legal private army of the organized crime cabal (of which there are numerous factions, but all obey 'omerta', the promise not to expose one another publicly).

shovelhead's picture

It's like Global Warming.

The datas only use is to be shaped to tell the tale.

centerline's picture

I wager the snake oil analogy is closest to the truth.  Carefully crafted stories used to further the aggenda of people we don't see or elect.  People who are outside the law as we know it, and most likely do not have our (general public) interest in mind at all.

joe6px's picture

First, let's understand that intelligence is more like taking a few pieces of a jig-saw puzzle and creating the final picture from what you think the few pieces tell you.  Intel is full of estimates, assessments, opinion, and conjecture.  People think "intel" means nothing but facts and put so much faith in it that it blinds them to the reality that the IC is a bunch of people looking at a Picaso and trying to tell you what it means.

Cloud9.5's picture

Gestalt theory is an argument that the mind takes bits of inputs and constructs meaningful wholes from those data points.   Included in that theory is the notion that a person’s experience is the template that is used to arrange that data.  The spooks come from a particular subculture that has been around for decades.  Their template has led us down some serious rabbit holes.  I get the conjecture part of their job.  What I don’t get is their constructing complete narratives out of thin air.  Expert opinion, when it comes to social interactions, are as biased as any other opinion. That same bias caused the deep state to completely over look Alger Hiss and damn near started a nuclear war with Russia over Cuba.

rbg81's picture

He is not a fighter. 

Really?  Were you asleep for the entire last Election cycle?  All the people who weren't fighters dropped out before the first primary.  Trump probably took more body blows from the Media and political Establishment than any other POTUS candidate in history and came out on top.  He's the political equivalent of fuking BATMAN.

And as far as these so called spies, these fuk-heads apparent had no problem sharing intel with Obama, who was clearly a Marxist Muslim.  I wouldn't give a squirt of piss for their judgement.

Misean's picture

Please, continue to believe this.

Now, Unky Georgie needs a little sukee, lil chicken. Go about your job.

SoDamnMad's picture

Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean. I mean plumb, mad-dog mean. 'Cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live nor win. That's just the way it is. - Josey Wales

Misean's picture

"A man's gotta make a livin'"

"Dyin' ain't much of a livin', boy."

RiverRoad's picture

Reorganize the CIA and eliminate all the Bush spooks' positions.  Ya think they know that's coming?

earleflorida's picture

if you haven't read the c.2010 book, "Extreme Prejudice" by Susan Lindauer, i suggest you buy it.

it's bizarre tale how DIA/CIA chose her as their "Asset"? her work/study/contribution was from 1993 til 2002 at the U.N. Embassy's of Iraq and Libya.

Note: Fuisz and Hoven, her handlers. Note2: very compartmentalized org's., with alumni always in the shadows.

short read: 400pgs. and very well written with first hand knowledge on how the 'Spook World' actually operates.

Ps. Lindauer says that Syria/ Hezbollah (factions with Iranian influence? which operatated outside of the Iranian Gov't) was responsible for the 'Lockerbie' Pan Am 103 downing (dec/88).****

The first gulf (Kuwait slant drilling/ British) war jan/1991 --- iran revolution apr/79--- sept/1980- aug/1988 Iran-Iraq War---  Pan Am 103 dec/88***

lastly ref:   http://whale.to/b/lockerbie.html 

again,...why did Libya get the blame and not syria? the ussa needed syrian airspace in the Iraqi Gulf War,...besides the fact we used their countries black sites for torture. 

New_Meat's picture


"According to Sources ..."

Yep, that's getting right up there with "... Unexpectedly ..."

- Ned

eatthebanksters's picture

The idea that the intelligence community is angry at Trump is ridiculous.  If you worked at an intelligence agency and there were leaks you'd be pissed to as its a stain on your integrity.  The vast number of intelligence workers support Trump and want the leaks stopped as well.  Second, the IC and the FBI determined that there was no collusion between Trump and the Russians to win the election, so to withhold intelligence from him becasue he is a security threat is ridiculous.  Lastly, the only reason these IC people are holding back info is becasue they fear incriminating themselves....either there are no credible sources or their is infomation that will rat their asses out.  Let's get the NSA records on Hillary's converstions and emails...how about Eric Holder's regarding fast and furious or Koskinen and Lerner regarding the IRS...even better, how about Obozo's from the night of Benghazi....there is much to learn and the Obama plants in the IC are scared shitless as well as they should be.  Hang those fuckers for treason.


divingengineer's picture

How many people can even get this information from the NSA records?
Those programs were supposedly built to catch terrorists, how many have they caught?
Compare that with how many times they have been misused.

perikleous's picture

When will the people realize the gov doesnt run these alphabet named groups (CIA/NSA/FBI...) These groups run the government!

Left----Right  Republican ---DemoCRAP doesnt matter they are "chosen" not elected, yes Trump was chosen, they allowed him to get where he is... Some of "them" have Neocon ides some elitist plans some want nationalization some prefer globalization, but the polititions you vote for are chosen by "them".

If Clinton won its business as usual and war with Russia. A trump win meant police state/prison industrial complex expansion and if they need "they" can use Trump as the excuse for financial turmoil and recession....

The groups are funded through tax dollars and Global corporate tyrants that make the decisions regarding policy.

Some of these rich investers made/make there money by national advancement and some on a global scale

Until Trump gets his head out of his ass and stops trying to micromanage and looks at the big picture he will be f-cked..

Shut out all the media and non chosen cabinet people and do your thing, then explain after... As long as he is discussing his decisions as he is making them, he will be criticised...

JRobby's picture

Corporations run them. They exist to do the bidding of the corporations.

SoDamnMad's picture

Dulles listened to United Fruit Company - Standard Fruit Company which was later Dole(and Chiquita banana)   worries about socialist  tendencies protecting the plantation workers from getting decent benefits and thereby cutting the margins on profits so numerous opposition members were assassinated by the CIA and puppet governments were put in place from Chile north through the Central Americas.  Dulles handed the CIA to the Bush family and this type of thing has gone on every since.

RiverRoad's picture

YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY 100% CORRECT and the sooner folks out there know exactly who is behind all this stuff, the better.  The Skull and Bones Bush crowd are the head of this snake.

Oldwood's picture

Not in office a month.

Let's give it another two days before we completely freak the fuck out.

VinceFostersGhost's picture



Was going to kill myself today.......you saved my life.

Oldwood's picture

Morpheus never told us we would have to choose either the red or blue pill EVERY DAMNED DAY!

Again today, I must decide, red or blue, the immersion in the grit and shit of it all, or do I turn it all off and pretend it's all going to be okay, that this is normal and regular, the same as it always has been.

Eat a cookie and everything willbe a right as rain. Right?

VinceFostersGhost's picture



I've taken that pill everyday for at least two decades now......with some pretty positive results.


Someday this war is going to end...


I am GetZeeGold.....have a nice day.