Leading Progressives Say that Even Americans Who Hate Trump Should Defend Him Against Attempted Coup by the “Deep State”

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Former liberal congressman and presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich said Tuesday:

What’s at the core of this is an effort by some in the intelligence community to upend any positive relationship between the U.S. and Russia. And I tell you there’s a marching band and Chowder Society out there. There’s gold in them there hills. There are people trying to separate the U.S. and Russia so that this military industrial intel axis can cash in.

 

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The American people have to know that there’s a game going on inside the intelligence community… at the bottom of all this is the fact that there are those that seek to separate US from Russia to reignite the cold war… that’s what’s at the bottom of all this …. Wake up America!!

 

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What’s going on in the intelligence community with this new president is unprecedented. They’re making every effort trying to upend him.

 

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It’s not just this administration. I want to remind the views and all those who are on the panel that in the closing months of the Obama administration, they put together a deal with Russia to create peace in Syria. A few days later, a military strike in Syria killed a hundred Syrian soldiers and that ended the agreement. What happened is inside the intelligence and the Pentagon there was a deliberate effort to sabotage an agreement the White House made.

Similarly, Pulitzer prize winning journalist Glenn Greenwald said today:

The deep state, although there’s no precise or scientific definition, generally refers to the agencies in Washington that are permanent power factions. They stay and exercise power even as presidents who are elected come and go. They typically exercise their power in secret, in the dark, and so they’re barely subject to democratic accountability, if they’re subject to it at all. It’s agencies like the CIA, the NSA and the other intelligence agencies, that are essentially designed to disseminate disinformation and deceit and propaganda, and have a long history of doing not only that, but also have a long history of the world’s worst war crimes, atrocities and death squads. This is who not just people like Bill Kristol, but lots of Democrats are placing their faith in, are trying to empower, are cheering for as they exert power separate and apart from—in fact, in opposition to—the political officials to whom they’re supposed to be subordinate.

 

And you go—this is not just about Russia. You go all the way back to the campaign, and what you saw was that leading members of the intelligence community, including Mike Morell, who was the acting CIA chief under President Obama, and Michael Hayden, who ran both the CIA and the NSA under George W. Bush, were very outspoken supporters of Hillary Clinton. In fact, Michael Morell went to The New York Times, and Michael Hayden went to The Washington Post, during the campaign to praise Hillary Clinton and to say that Donald Trump had become a recruit of Russia. The CIA and the intelligence community were vehemently in support of Clinton and vehemently opposed to Trump, from the beginning. And the reason was, was because they liked Hillary Clinton’s policies better than they liked Donald Trump’s. One of the main priorities of the CIA for the last five years has been a proxy war in Syria, designed to achieve regime change with the Assad regime. Hillary Clinton was not only for that, she was critical of Obama for not allowing it to go further, and wanted to impose a no-fly zone in Syria and confront the Russians. Donald Trump took exactly the opposite view. He said we shouldn’t care who rules Syria; we should allow the Russians, and even help the Russians, kill ISIS and al-Qaeda and other people in Syria. So, Trump’s agenda that he ran on was completely antithetical to what the CIA wanted. Clinton’s was exactly what the CIA wanted, and so they were behind her. And so, they’ve been trying to undermine Trump for many months throughout the election. And now that he won, they are not just undermining him with leaks, but actively subverting him. There’s claims that they’re withholding information from him, on the grounds that they don’t think he should have it and can be trusted with it. They are empowering themselves to enact policy.

 

Now, I happen to think that the Trump presidency is extremely dangerous.

 

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And it is important to resist them. And there are lots of really great ways to resist them, such as getting courts to restrain them, citizen activism and, most important of all, having the Democratic Party engage in self-critique to ask itself how it can be a more effective political force in the United States after it has collapsed on all levels. That isn’t what this resistance is now doing. What they’re doing instead is trying to take maybe the only faction worse than Donald Trump, which is the deep state, the CIA, with its histories of atrocities, and say they ought to almost engage in like a soft coup, where they take the elected president and prevent him from enacting his policies. And I think it is extremely dangerous to do that. Even if you’re somebody who believes that both the CIA and the deep state, on the one hand, and the Trump presidency, on the other, are extremely dangerous, as I do, there’s a huge difference between the two, which is that Trump was democratically elected and is subject to democratic controls, as these courts just demonstrated and as the media is showing, as citizens are proving. But on the other hand, the CIA was elected by nobody. They’re barely subject to democratic controls at all. And so, to urge that the CIA and the intelligence community empower itself to undermine the elected branches of government is insanity. That is a prescription for destroying democracy overnight in the name of saving it. And yet that’s what so many, not just neocons, but the neocons’ allies in the Democratic Party, are now urging and cheering. And it’s incredibly warped and dangerous to watch them do that.

 

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The idea that Donald Trump is some kind of an agent or a spy of Russia, or that he is being blackmailed by Russia and is going to pass secret information to the Kremlin and endanger American agents on purpose, is an incredibly crazy claim that has been nowhere proven to be true. It reminds me of the kind of things Glenn Beck used to say about Obama while he stood at his chalkboard and drew those—those unstable charts that he drew, these wild conspiracy theories that are without evidence.

 

We ought to have a serious, sober, structured investigation of the claims that Russia hacked the DNC and John Podesta’s emails and that there were improper ties between Donald Trump and the Russians, and that ought to be made public so that we can see the information. But this constant media obsession of leaking whatever someone whispers to them about Donald Trump and Russia, because they know it will get their reporters huge numbers of retweets on Twitter and tons of traffic by people who are being fed what they want to hear, is really feeding into the worst kind of hysteria and even fake news that the media says they’re trying to combat. These are really serious claims that merit serious investigation, and that’s exactly what we’re not getting.

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Vooter's picture

Whatever Trump does or doesn't do, if his presence helps make this country ungovernable, I'm all for it...

Reaper's picture

When will they ever learn? Frankenstein's Monster = USA's CIA. The media is a false god. The media's messiahs, Bernstein and Woodward, were agents of the Acting Head of the FBI, aka Deep Throat, or more properly Deep State. The new master was the same as the old master.

45North1's picture

The country has to decide if it wants input into driving the car or just settle for twiddling the radio dials.

OrangeyTheAssHat's picture

Hah ! The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Whatever it takes to get Orangey laughingstalk out of office. :) HA HA

DuneCreature's picture

The tricky part of all of this is I don't think there is just one Deep State.

I see Deep States. ... They seem to be way more fractured than I always thought before Trump came along.

Live Hard, They Don't Appear To Like Each Other Very Well Either, Die Free

~DC v5.0

Memedada's picture

There’s no “precise/scientific” definition of the deep state?

I’ll offer one:

The deep state refers to entities that have power over the affairs of the “visible state/Government”, but that are not legitimate/democratic.

The deep state is comprised of private entities (corporations, banks, think tanks etc.) that are loyal to (owned by) a tiny group of people (the 0,01 %).

The deep state has control over (or attempts to gain/hold control over) the most important institutions of the state: the armed forces, the judiciary system, the education system, the electoral system etc. But the deep state at the same time have control over central private institutions: the medias, the private prison complex, the MIC, the private education system, the “health” care system (=the insurance Ponzi-scheme) etc. etc.

That is: the deep state is obfuscated fascism. Democracy as a cover (the farces “sold” as elections in US for instance) and fascism at the core.  

The deep state is ”old money”. It is the institutionalization of the ownership class’ power – it is the capitalist class leveraging their money-power into political power. And yes, they are capitalists = owners of capital. They own it all.

WolfgangCire's picture

WHY WOULD I DEFEND A SATANIC PEDOPHILE LIKE TRUMP. TRUMP IS ABOUT TO BE FIRED FROM SOCIETY AND EXPOSED TO THE WORLD. 

Obadiah's picture

Funny that George Webb spoke about "Maltese Falcon and Wolfgangs" in the video posted at the top of this post.  

Coinsidence (sp)  prolly NO

 

Fucking Shadow Lucifarian Actors

 

time for another name change  like I am for Trump, or Long Live the Republic  something like that

 

Triple post BITCHEZ

ReZn8r's picture

this is perfect Hillary cocksucker shit. Blame the other side of exactly what you, her, and the complete left are doing. Lies and more lies is all you have. Burn in hell motherfucker.

DuneCreature's picture

Got pictures? ... I hear the CIA boys are pretty good with Photoshop.

Live Hard, For Moving Pictures They Might Need Walt Disney Productions, Die Free

~ DC v5.0

nmewn's picture

Isn't it interesting that the "intel community" is the living, breathing, representation of all that is evil on this Earth according to the leftwing press...right up until the time Trump gets into office...and then it transforms itself right before our eyes into a patriotic, well respected, professional group of "anonymously sourced officials" who, we are admonished by the leftwing press, to trust as though our very lives depend on it? 

You don't have to be a weatherman to know when someone is pissing on your head while telling you its raining ;-)

Memedada's picture

Haha, funny. Left-wing press? US don’t have medias/a press. You have corporations that serves the interests of their owners. The owners don’t have “a left-wing”-agenda. They’re interested in status quo (=the continuation of capitalism).

And yes, the current economic system is a capitalist one. An economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production. The fact that your capitalist class (those owning everything – including the medias) have taken control of your political institutions is not surprising. Capitalism always leads to the accumulation/concentration of power/wealth in fewer and fewer hands.

And before you “go there”. I never supported the other corporate pawns (Obama or Hitlery) – they’re right-wing too. Servants of the (privately owned) corporations that sponsor them. I know that’s where you’ve all been tricked – you think because “Obama/Clinton and their ilk’s” play the role “as the left-wing” in your fascist society then that defines what “the left-wing is”. That is only true within the lala-land of corporate controlled US.

 

Cloud9.5's picture

Yellow Journalism has been with us since before the founding of the Republic.  Go back and study the motives of the Committees of Correspondence during the Revolution.  Then leap frog into the 19th century and look at the competition between Hurst and Pulitzer that gave us the Spanish American War over seas colonies and you will begin to understand the process. 

MalteseFalcon's picture

"Capitalism always leads to the accumulation/concentration of power/wealth in fewer and fewer hands."

Pure socialism led to the accumulation/concentration of power/wealth in even fewer hands in the Soviet Union.

They also got economic ossification with no hope of regeneration or escape.


 

Obadiah's picture

Funny that George Webb spoke about "Maltese Falcon and Wolfgangs" in the video posted at the top of this post.  

Coinsidence (sp)  prolly NO

 

Fucking Shadow Lucifarian Actors

 

time for another name change  like I am for Trump, or Long Live the Republic  something like that

Obadiah's picture

Funny that George Webb spoke about "Maltese Falcon and Wolfgangs" in the video posted at the top of this post.  

Coinsidence (sp)  prolly NO

 

Fucking Shadow Lucifarian Actors

 

time for another name change  like I am for Trump, or Long Live the Republic  something like that

MalteseFalcon's picture

LOL.

Maybe I'm just a film buff.

Or maybe a crypto-Jew.

Only my Rabbi knows for sure.

nmewn's picture

Whadru fucking high?

You're not really trying to say the NYT's, WaPo, CNN,  NBC, ABC, MSNBC ad nauseam are bastions of conservative thought are you? 

Just because they are "incorporated" doesn't make them rightwing you fucking bozo.

Memedada's picture

No, they are bastions of “neoliberalism” – a right-wing ideology based on (primarily) the “ideas” of US-based “economists”. Milton Friedman being the best known – but it’s all the “Chicago boys” (those that f*cked up the 3. World by “SAP’s” via the IMF doing the 80’s-90’s – and that are now implementing the same version of “forced” liberalism on the 1. World. Greece being the prime example = forced privatization, forced cutting down on everything “democratic” or “public” etc.).

But I would like to understand your worldview better: what do you see as “left-wing” in their agenda? The “identity-politics” smoke-screen (=have nothing to do with left vs. right – again, “liberal” in a political sense is only “left-wing” in the US because you don’t have a “real left-wing” (=socialist, anarchist, libertarian etc. parties/organizations of importance).  

 

nmewn's picture

Trying to speak to a foreign communist (like yourself) about the differences between the left & right here, is like domestic leftists here, describing Milo Yiannopolous as a racist homophobe...there is simply no central point of understanding to begin.

So I must agree you, Bernie Marx & Hillary Crony are absolutely adored by the leftwing media...lmao!!!

TeamDepends's picture

Wow, where have you been? The Democrat party, which used to be liberal, has blasted past socialistic and is racing towards embracing full-blown communism. To state that Hillary and Obama are "right-wing" is laughable, as the CPUSA endorsed them both. Your mistake is equating crony capitalism, which is what prevails in the US presently, with free-market capitalism which is the goal. They are polar opposites. Crony capitalism is closer to and perhaps equivalent to socialism.

Memedada's picture

I’ve generally been outside the “US sphere of corporate dominance , propaganda and indoctrination”. I’ve spent 3 years in total in US – some business and some education.  

I’ve spent a lot of time travelling the world: South East Asia, Europe, South America and USA. I want to travel more in Africa and Asia – but I don’t have the time.

I’m currently living in Denmark.

 

I disagree in all you wrote. The term “crony capitalism” describes what I see as the natural outcome of capitalism as such. The fact that capitalism results in the unequal distribution of wealth-creation will – over time – result in the uneven distribution of power as well (a generation or two if the capitalist system started out in a fair way – never happened and never will).

That a capitalist uses his economic power to gain political power should come as no surprise (just look at history). And that that political power is used to further and increase the interest of the capitalist is not surprising either = more and more private power leads to more and more private power. If you call that “socialism” we need a new term for “a democratic economy” or “an economy” based on public, social and/or common power that are democratically accountable.

As I see it is capitalism = Mammoncraty = money-rule. And that is right-wing.

Yes, it’s not “free market” capitalism, but still capitalism. I personally don’t see how a “free market” capitalist economy wouldn’t develop to a similar shit-show as that of today – what would prevent power/capital from being concentrated in fewer and fewer hands (if you don’t have massive inheritance taxes or something similar)?

Do you have a link to CPUSA endorsing Clinton (or Obama)? Not that I'm a  communist - or support CPUSA. Just curios.

 

 

Omni Consumer Product's picture

"Democratically accountable" is an oxymoron.

Just like "plastic silverware" or "military intelligence" or "Krugman's Klown Kollege."

You constantly rip "capitalism" for the state of the world today. You claim that true free enterprise and voluntary trade are pipe dreams.

You then spend paragraphs trying to twist common terms like "liberal" or "conservative" into your own warped cosmology. You're like Ghordius, only worse by orders of magnitude.

You know what's a real pipe dream? The notion that giving charismatic sociopaths nearly unlimited power over the common people will somehow result in something "better" and "more fair" and "democratically accountable" - opa, there's that oxymoron again - than "capitalism."

Go back to your jetset, multi-continent globetrot lifestyle with your supermodel wife and your 10 figure bank account and etc., because whatever you say on the internet is true, right? That'll leave the critical thinking to those of us who can see past your inherently ossified, dinosaur-era monolithic power structure concepts.

Ckierst1's picture

You have no evidence that "crony capitalism" is the natural end product of capitalism.  Your "crony capitalism" is actually a genre of mercantilism, and is the natural end product of an elitist crony scheme like any of the socialist varietals you seem to favor.  Elitism is an attribute of socialist schemes because it requires "philosopher kings" in leadership and they have big appetites and don't come cheap!  It takes a complicit government establishment to protect the privilege of the globalist oligarchs.  You need  laissez faire free markets (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laissez-faire) to level the playing field so true economic merit can emerge rather than be stifled by the anticompetitive interventionists ubiquitous to sundry collectivist political and/or despotisms/hereditary statist governments.  

TeamDepends's picture

Why should wealth be distributed equally? Who is in charge of distributing it? Government, of course. We believe in merit, that you deserve what you earn through your labor or intellectual creations. Why should the industrious pay for the lazy? Capitalism is not perfect, but then nothing in this world is. Capitalism combined with a Constitutional Republic form of government remains the best environment for freedom and prosperity.

TeamDepends's picture

That's the problem with progressives, they LIKE to be told "it's raining" when receiving a Golden Shower.

keep the bastards honest's picture

The RAAF , The Royal Australian Airforce bombed and then bombed and bombed the Syrian Army as it was succesfully pushing back ISIS.

That killed the 88 army men and wounded a 100 others who were protecting their homeland and their democraticly elected government

keep the bastards honest's picture

The RAAF , The Royal Australian Airforce bombed and then bombed and bombed the Syrian Army as it was succesfully pushing back ISIS.

That killed the 88 army men and wounded a 100 others who were protecting their homeland and their democraticly elected government

DuneCreature's picture

George Webb must have himself degree in CIA history.

Part 1 & Part 2 are good but this is the background segment

Day 116 - Part 3 - The History Of The CIA In 12 Minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO6BCru9X_M

Donald Trump needs George Webb on his spook pest control staff.

Live Hard, Regime Change Is A CIA Specialty And So Are Civil Wars, I Look For This War, Should They Start One Here, To Be Particularly Uncivilized, Die Free

~ DC v5.0

doctor10's picture

"attempted coup"? WTF?!!

that's history-at least as of 11/22/63

what's happening now is that the "Deep State" has always in one form or another represented some "American" interests-
However since 911 it has morphed into "Global Interests" -prolly has more than a little something to do with the fact that some "Globalists" somewhere have some of the goods on them in relation to 911

DuneCreature's picture

Yes, as good a job as George Webb is doing at exposing a LOT of evil he seems to have a couple of glaring blind spots.

Hey, everyone has a personal spin and I don't think he would be getting his message out at all if he called out all of the bad players.

Live Hard, That Seems To Be A Fact Of Life In 2017 On The Internet, Get Out Part Of The Story Or Don't Get Out Any Story At All, Die Free

~ DC v5.0

VD's picture

Greenwald is an irresponsible hack; case in point: "What they’re doing instead is trying to take maybe the only faction worse than Donald Trump, which is the deep state, the CIA, with its histories of atrocities.'." 

Greenwald in that quote of his essentially equates Trump's presidency to a faction, then compares it to a criminal deep state -- this is dangerous and irresponsible "journalism" bordering on amateur and/or libel.

 

Trump's people must start prosecuting the fake news en mass.

DuneCreature's picture

This is an all out battle for control of a pirate ship.

Trump just needs a way to communicate with the people without going through the filter of MSM at all.

Alex Jones may become Trump's new press briefing officer. ... Not a bad idea as far as I'm concerned.

Skip to 24:00 to hear former CIAer David Steele's ideas =

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN1PShWvO5U

Donald Trump may never prevail without doing what the left is accusing him of; Wanting to be a dictator. .... I know he doesn't want to, but he may need a crisis and have to declare martial law to get anything done.

His staff is being stacked with inside the beltway insider pirates and they are going to sabotage anything else he tries to do.

He's going to have to jump them out of the loop and go the Genghis Khan route. ... Nobody but family and loyal warlords from outlying provinces in positions of power. ...... All backed up with lots of archers, bows and arrows and fast horses.

Live Hard, That Should Be Fun To Watch........ From A Distance, Die Free

~ DC v5.0

HippieHaulers's picture

Amy Goodman getting BTFO'ed by Glen re: Syria. It's a regime change operation Amy. Do you get it yet? Or do those Soros millions buy willful ignorance. Fuck Democracy Now. 

MalteseFalcon's picture

The true progressives, who fought the deep state in the 60s, 70s and 80s, should now seperate from the corporatist / Alinskyist rabble.