Put Up Or Shut Up: Judicial Watch Sues FBI, NSA, CIA For Flynn Records

Tyler Durden's picture

As we noted previously, given the FBI has already 'cleared' Flynn, the only possible path for escalation from here by the deep state, is to leak the actual recorded calls to the press, thus "proving" Flynn lied, assuming of course, he did.

Furthermore, as Mike Krieger recently raged, the public should demand the Flynn transcripts

...How do we know what was really said without the transcript? The New York Times tells us...

 

"During the Christmas week conversation, he urged Mr. Kislyak to keep the Russian government from retaliating over the coming sanctions — it was an open secret in Washington that they were in the works — by telling him that whatever the Obama administration did could be undone, said the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were discussing classified material. Federal officials who have read the transcript of the call were surprised by Mr. Flynn’s comments, since he would have known that American eavesdroppers closely monitor such calls. They were even more surprised that Mr. Trump’s team publicly denied that the topics of conversation included sanctions. Prosecutions in these types of cases are rare, and the law is murky, particularly around people involved in presidential transitions. The officials who had read the transcripts acknowledged that while the conversation warranted investigation, it was unlikely, by itself, to lead to charges against a sitting national security adviser."

 

I have so many issues with the above reporting it’s hard to know where to start. Everything mentioned above is given to us secondhand via “anonymous American officials.” Nowhere do I see any specific quotes from the transcript, despite the fact that the paper admits it talked with federal officials who read it. Why not? Why must we hear about the content of the transcripts secondhand from anonymous officials? This is the most significant red flag with this whole story. If the leakers were truly interested in transparency, and wanted the public to know the truth, why not leak the transcript to Wikileaks and let the public decide?

 

I’ll tell you why. They didn’t do this because transparency was never the goal here. They wanted to illegally use intelligence information to take a scalp from a Trump administration they hate, and they knew they could do this via mainstream media journalists. I know what you’re thinking, Edward Snowden didn’t leak everything to Wikileaks either. He likewise picked a few journalists and trusted them to responsibly report the information. How is this any different?

 

It’s different in two important respects. First, we are talking about a single transcript, or a few transcripts, as opposed to the enormous intelligence data-dump that Snowden provided. Secondly, The Intercept and others who reported on the Snowden material provided a huge amount of primary source documentation for the public to see so that it could come to its own conclusion.

 

They didn’t simply tell everyone what to think about leaked documents while refusing to share any actual content. Where are the specific, comprehensive quotes from the Flynn transcript? Why doesn’t the public have a right to see the entire thing? Instead, we are being told what happened and what to think via secondhand anonymous sources. Sorry, but this doesn’t cut it for me.

 

I have yet to see any excerpts from the transcript. All I’ve seen is what anonymous officials say was discussed. This is absurd. We the people should demand the content of the relevant transcripts so we can decide for ourselves just how bad Flynn’s actions were. In the absence of this, we’re essentially being manipulated on a massive scale by rogue intelligence agents and told what to think through the major newspapers. This doesn’t cut it for me. I want to see the content of these conversations so I can make up my own mind. Perhaps it’s even worse than we know. So be it. We should be treated as adults and allowed to see the actual conversation if it’s going to be made into a story of such huge national importance.

Today, absent any adults in the room, we learn that conservative watchdog Judicial Watch is planning to sue several government agencies if they do not hand over records related to the wiretapping of former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn. The group filed Freedom of Information Act requests for the records weeks ago but are planning to sue by next week for the records if they do not receive anything by then.

Judicial Watch filed the requests with the FBI, NSA, CIA, and Treasury Department, according to the group’s Director of Investigations and Research Chris Farrell. Below is a tweet from Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton on the National Security Advisor scandal.

Additionally, Chris Farrell, Director of Investigations and Research, had the following to say about the wire tapping of Flynn.

Furthermore, In an article titled “DOJ is also a target of President Trump’s probe into leaks” by the publication Circa, Chris Farrell was quoted saying,

"it would be a very narrow universe of persons who would have had access to that classified material. Even the number of persons who would have access should be definable. That sort of communication intelligence, or comment collection activity is very specific. The list of people is narrow."

Rest assured, Judicial Watch is committed to uncovering the truth and holding those individuals accountable who may have broken the law.

One way or another the 'leaking' intelligent officials need to 'put up or shut up' with their Flynn allegations - leak (or release to JW) the transcript or stop the fake news supposition.

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TheLastTrump's picture

paid shill right here, or a mentally ill person that escaped from DU

Duc888's picture

Oh, you will, and it crosses BOTH sides of the aisle.  Be careful what you wish for.  74 major names on the list so far.  DC, Hollywood, MSM...all in it.

VWAndy's picture

 Its one of the sophists best tricks. To get people to form their opinions based on emotions or conjecture instead of facts. Once you have formed an opinion you will look to reaffirm your opinion.

 Its best to look before you make that leap.

Herdee's picture

The design of the plan with Flynn went as planned perfectly. Once a Trump victory was assured, it's not unusual for certain people that helped get the President elected to get left on the wayside. Point being that the present Intelligence apparatus along with the military got what they wanted with a change of course that ended with Obama's NeoCon Socialism gone bad. Now watch all the NoeCons running Europe go down. The globalists are on the run and scared of the movement. It was out of control immigration and climate change bullshit that killed them. They've almstdestryoyed the American economy but hopefully Trump can get it back and wrestle control away from the 139 head globalists that Jim Rickards tells us about, including the head of the Bank of China.

NobodyNowhere's picture

There are two sides - those who are for the people, and those who are for themselves (crooks).

It's not a level playing field when:

  • the crooks finance their schemes using money plundered from the people; the people must abandon their day jobs and risk arrests to even protest
  • the crooks are scheming 24/7, wining and dining in luxurious towers; the people worry about surviving the next day 24/7, bills overdue

The playing field needs to be leveled, somehow.

But HOW?  It has never been done.  

Surgery (revolution) once in a sentury? Yes.

But cure that can soothe everyday's suffering? None.

VWAndy's picture

 The stall and barter then some real justice.

Bastiat's picture

Of course the intelligence community is terrified of any real patriot.  If you had organized the assination of JFK and (at least) facilitated the 911 treason, wouldn't you be?

VWAndy's picture

 They are in an all or nothing spot. They must play it to the bone or die trying.

Duc888's picture

 

Flynn was walking point and temporarily took one for the team.

NobodyNowhere's picture

Truth be told, the bankster elite need to be tried the way nazis were.

They have done greater harm, except it occurred unnoticed, in slow motion, under deception of rigged 'laws,' over decades.

WillyGroper's picture

you mean the dog n pony show that spirited them away to the ussa/sa with 1 way tickets?

LOL123's picture

Lol wsj, ny times, bloomberg, economist ect need to all start their "opinion" news with " RUMOR has it that .... Lol

headless blogger's picture

If the Trump administration is not hiding anything, then why would they give up so quickly on Flynn?

 

centerline's picture

Good point. Could be true.

On the flipside... just for speculation, I'd say they are walking a fine line with the MSM.  They have to really work hard to stay out of the shadows.  In doing so... in being as transparent as possible, the MSM basically screws themselves.

 

 

DosZap's picture

PENCE,Flynn screwed himself.

Duc888's picture

 

 

Because appearances must be upheld for political reasons.

Consuelo's picture

 

 

Knowing the type of people (and nation) involved in sneaky shit like this, I just have (3) questions:

 

- Soft Jew?

- Soft Coup?

- Both?

Grandad Grumps's picture

After reading the above, I am trying to figure out what Flynn could possibly have done wrong? Asking the Russians not to go nuclear over the poory advised Obama sanctions seems to be a good thing and not illegtal.

Duc888's picture

 

 

Flynn did nothing wrong.  He flushed someone out.  He (temporarily) fell on the sword.  The Russian asked him a specific question.  Has absolutely nothing to do with sanctions...etc...

tbone10's picture

The intelligence community has only just begun to undermine this president.

Dildocks's picture

Another 5th grade basement gamer with inside information on Deep State's every move.

Kokulakai's picture

Another internet troll obfuscating the truth.

Schumer made the call on MSNBC's Rachel Maddow show.

“Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you,”

What did Schumer know?

Duc888's picture

 

 

Shumer knows that Trump has the pizza stains on Schumer.  That was a shot across Trumps bow.  Funny thing is that Trump just grabbed onto the throttle and shoved it forward.  Flynn was used to flush someone out.  It worked.  He will be back.

Duc888's picture

 

 

Thankfully, the opposite is much closer to the truth.

PoasterToaster's picture
PoasterToaster (not verified) Feb 17, 2017 1:46 PM

Make sure you get the names on all the memos.  Names and cubicle location.

VooDoo6Actual's picture

Panem et Circenses !

It's real simple. The PTB Shadow Governement wants War. Flynn got grenaded for this  :

‘Flynn discussed lifting the Obama administration’s sanctions on Russia’ and there it is folks that was the Grenade for Flynn.

There it is the real reason Flynn was canned imo. Not the made up narrative Trump said about Pence etc.

The Shadow Government wants War w/ Russia & ultimately Iran is the goal for the New Babylon ME project.

Flynn wants to play nice w/ Russia & he should the Owners of the US EU - BIS - City of London -Rothschild want War to depopulate their agenda.

 

As for Harward turning down the positon he knows that War is in the air & most likley doesn't want to be part of that or end up like 'Be-Tray-Us'.

‘Secrecy dominates this world, and foremost as the secret of domination.”

 

Zorba's idea's picture

It is remarkable that the Internet's democratization of news content (the good,bad and ugly), for such a relatively brief period in our county's history,let alone the world's, has caused so much panic amongst the elites. As long as the lights remain on, pay attention to how all these cockroaches scramble to preeserve and protect their franchise of corruption. For concerned citizens navigating the hog pens for nuggets of truth, don't forget to ask "who benefits". America's history is full of unintended consequences by the voterate for not getting the "who" right. never give up, never give in..keep the lights on.

Reaper's picture

Not transcripts, actual audio recording. The M.O. of the FBI to manage/massage what was said with an unverifiable transcript, no audio recording allowed. https://boingboing.net/2013/05/07/dont-ever-speak-to-the-fbi-w.html The forms 302 might not even been written yet and can be massaged.

European American's picture

Forget "suing" the FBI, CIA, NSA...cull them. Gut them. Rip them wide open and dismantle them. Then, after they've been sliced and diced. Start over from scratch, hiring again.

optimator's picture

Y'a mean Natenyahoo didn't give the Trumpster a copy of the stuff when they met?  He always gets it first y'know.

whatisthat's picture

Hello.....the corrupt so-called journalists and media, establishment and corporate sponsors need to put up or shut up on "the fake news and lies" and their " hate agenda " against American taxpayers..

In.Sip.ient's picture

Realistically, how does a retired United States General,

with years of service to the United States, suddenly

go from patriot to traitor, simply by being appointed

head of national security???

 

And who actually buys that (!) ???

 

Really?

arby63's picture

Good. We need the records.

arby63's picture

If you haven't cancelled cable yet.......or dish.......there's the problem. 

megadeadbeat's picture

more fake news we the people know this the leach's dont know and could care less...to them its another reason to riot and pilliage

 

P'Od_Accountant's picture

The fall of this country is total fascism is complete.

Fishy Rickster's picture

I cut back donations to Judicial Watch after the elections.

Time to crank em back up!

DirtySanchez's picture

As far as I'm concerned, this Flynn/Russia phone call is complete bullshit until Assange publishes transcript.

Toonces Feline's picture

This week John McCain, Lindsey Graham and Maxine Waters all have spoken by phone behind the president's back about Russian sanctions and US foreign policy directly with Russian government operatives Vladimir Krasnov & Aleksey Stolyarov (Lexus & Vovan), posing as the Ukrainian Prime Minister, directly undermining the US Department of State and the executive branch, as the following YouTube videos conclusively prove:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqrw2vIvBv0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LlSP9b_k-g&t=8s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yiu7eSSM_4Q

They successfully pranked Brig. General Kevin McNeely 2 years ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1Fv6kUx2uk

Apparently, the anti-Trump US intelligence community is incapable of providing information about Russian radio shock jocks, pranksters and wise guys so that our congress and military don't end up looking like ignorant fools.  They are as stupid as Trump if they can't distinguish the Ukrainian prime minister from a Russian comedian who is probably on Putin's payroll.

Why bother with trying to hack the Democrats & Republicans when elected officials and military officers are so easy to manipulate into telling you anything you want to know?

If it weren't so scary to think of our own leaders' ineptitude, it might even be funny.

 

Wild E Coyote's picture

You have a valid point. But down voted as you called President Trump as stupid. 

Toonces Feline's picture

I should have said they are as stupid as they claim Trump is.

Sorry for the poor editing.

 

mary mary's picture

Exactly.  If General Flynn lied, then what exactly did he say, and when, and to whom?  If noone is willing to come forward with a shred of evidence, then the next question is, who exactly, told whom, that the so-called lie existed? 

DNC/MSM is a Kangaroo Court!

JailBanksters's picture

Nope, Top Secret, in the interest of National Security they won't be able to release that.

You have to believe them like Iraq had WMD's, the Russians hacked ...

MuffDiver69's picture

Trump,can have anything declassified.....Just like he can pardon anybody...impressive power and he hasn't even started using it...think James Rosen and Sheryl Atkinson