Democrats Suggest Invoking The 25th Amendment Unless Trump "Gets A Grip"

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After questioning President Trump's sanity earlier in the week, it appears Democrats have found another narrative to cling to - invoke the 25th Amendment unless Trump "gets a grip."

With a growing number of Democrats openly questioning President Trump’s mental health.

Rep. Earl Blumenauer (D-Ore.) in a floor speech this week called for a review of the Constitution's procedures for removing a president. He warned the 25th Amendment of the Constitution falls short when it comes to mental or emotional fitness for office.


Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) during a weekend interview with CNN’s “State of the Union” said that “a few” Republican colleagues have expressed concern to him about Trump's mental health.



And Rep. Ted Lieu (D-Calif.) plans to introduce legislation that would require the presence of a psychiatrist or psychologist in the White House.

Justifying their questions by pointing to Trump’s habit of making demonstrably false claims.

“It’s not normal behavior. I don’t know anybody in a position of responsibility that doesn’t know if they’re being rained on. And nobody I work with serially offers up verifiably false statements on an ongoing basis,”

And now that narrative has grown louder as CNN's State of The Union just discussed invoking the 25th Amendment unless President Trump "gets a grip"

In fact, The Atlantic’s David Frum joked after the election, “Twenty-Fifth Amendment to the Constitution. Article 4. We’re all going to be talking a lot more about it in the months ahead.”

So, what’s Article 4 to the 25th Amendment? In the abstract, the amendment itself is about presidential succession, and includes language about the power of the office when a president is incapacitated. But Digby recently highlighted the specific text of growing relevance:

“Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.”

What does that mean exactly?

Well, it means Congress isn’t the only institution that can remove a president from office between elections. Under the 25th Amendment, a sitting vice president and a majority of the executive branch’s cabinet could, on their own, agree to transfer power out of the hands of a sitting president. At that point, those officials would notify Congress, and the vice president would assume the office as the acting president.

And what if the challenged president wasn’t on board with the plan to remove him/her from the office? According to a recent explainer, “If the president wants to dispute this move, he can, but then it would be up to Congress to settle the matter with a vote. A two-thirds majority in both houses would be necessary to keep the vice president in charge. If that threshold isn’t reached, the president would regain his powers.” All of this comes up in fiction from time to time, and in all likelihood, Americans will probably never see this political crisis play out in real life. And that’s probably a good thing: by all appearances, the intended purpose of the constitutional provision was to address a president with a serious ailment – say, a stroke, for example – in which he or she is alive, but unable to fulfill the duties of the office.

In other words, for the first time, the concept of a "soft palace coup" has been officially brought up on public media; we expect such speculation will only get louder.

The ball is now in Trump's court.

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ronaldwilsonreagan's picture

It is about fucking time. 

Pinto Currency's picture

When they start arresting the pedophiles in Congress, the voting balance will change for Trump.

remain calm's picture

Libtards have lost their collective mind.

Pure Evil's picture

Wow, I'm amazed libtards even have minds to lose as anything that comes out of their mouths makes no sense at all.

They're like babbling two year olds with Al Franken being the poster child for the mentally deranged.

localsavage's picture

That would put Pence in as President.  If they sat down and thought about it for to seconds, no real liberal would want that.  That would be proof that the Democrat / Republican divide is just a made up charade.

FreezeThese's picture
FreezeThese (not verified) localsavage Feb 19, 2017 1:10 PM

A lot of talk ... one action ... poorly implemented borderline disaster ... constant lies ... long psychiatrists

vulcanraven's picture

I read an amazing comment the other night, this question needs to be asked to all "progressives"... I will try to paraphrase:

"So if someone deems YOU to be a fascist, does that now mean they are allowed to use violence as a method to silence YOU?"

Pinto Currency's picture

Jake Tapper's wife's favorite restaurant is Comet Ping Pong - look it up.

The net is closing on these people.

Tapper must be terrified.

Ignatius's picture

That has the ring of "truthiness."  Even if it's not true, I WANT IT TO BE TRUE.

Pinto Currency's picture

Do a quick search on jack tapper and comet ping pong / pizzagate.

Pairadimes's picture

One month into the new administration, and a progressive somewhere has actually been able to locate and read a copy of the Constitution. Then, in a fit of magical thinking, they imagine a scenario where the man they hate for beating their corrupt champion of the deep state is kicked out of office for being an alpha male.

Fiction is dead. Reality has kicked its ass.

EscapeKey's picture

Hi, i'm barry obama, and i lie for a living - starting with progressive NSA lies to be replaced by new lies the following day, as Snowden outs me yet again



Dormouse's picture

I think an Executive Order implementing a federal 5150 statute requiring the forcible detention and mental evaluation of these people along with an attempt to deprogram as many of them as possible from the idiocy that has driven them quite literally mad. Throw the rest in mass composting pile or recycle them.

bamawatson's picture

get a grip
grab their pussy

techies-r-us's picture
techies-r-us (not verified) bamawatson Feb 19, 2017 8:50 PM

TRUMP will be the greatest DISASTER the US has ever seen.

Ag Tex's picture

Does anyone remember the speech Al Franken gave at the 2004 DNC?  Can't find the video, but it has to be out there.  He was the keynote speaker at Patrick Kennedy's wrap-up party at Avalon.  Didn't a sitting congressman take him off stage and apologize for his behavior?


Some remember it very well:



CuttingEdge's picture

The greatest disaster America will ever see is happening on the other side of the Pacific.

To paraphrase Mr Takaga: "Pearl Harbour didn't work out, so we got you with Fukushima instead..."

Tarzan's picture

So the libtards are pinning their hopes on Trump's hand picked team joining their side, and the most obvious coup of all time?

What petulant losers they are.  Still, they scheme, lest they see themselves in the mirror.  Introspection is a scary endeavor, for psychopaths.

They don't have time to fix their own mess, to plan for 2020.  Why?

They have no hope for 2020, because they know, if they don't stop Trump before he learns all the dark secrets, they may all be in jail, or dead, long before 2020.

BeanusCountus's picture

In your mind maybe. Which doesnt mean anything. As far as tests, any test Pelosi and Schumer can pass Donald would be happy to take.

RealityCheque's picture

Your site gives Christians a bad name. You are a cunt.

NIRP Diggler's picture

After 16 years of Bush and Obama, I'll chance it.

WorkingFool's picture

Deprogramming starts with eliminating public schools

Riga's picture

In 1986-7 for 6 weeks at a public Junior High in the Houston suburbs, my class, which was exempt from (placed out of) Reading, got to learn about propaganda.

Another 6 weeks we designed our own country (what products we produced, our form of government and so on).

StychoKiller's picture

Pretty sure that GITMO has some empty cells, still decorated with prayer rugs even! :>D

HardAssets's picture

These people have been programmed since the 1960s. They haven't had an independent, rational thought their entire lives.

Just one example - America admits more legal immigrants than any other nation on earth. Unlike any other nation, we automatically make many of those born here citizens. Despite this, there are many on the left who parrot that it's 'rayyycist' to enforce any immigration laws at all. Those foreigners who break our laws are to be given a free pass and benefits paid for by US citizens. In addition, we shouldn't do any vetting of those coming from regions populated by many people who vow to destroy our nation & kill our people. This is pure insanity.

IMO many of those higher level leftists seek to destroy America in furtherance of global government. They have written and spoken of this agenda. The 'useful idiots' at the lower levels are just manipulated fools.

To the many public school 'teachers' out there who helped dumbed down Americans over the decades - - - screw you. (Though you also were dumbed down by that same system.)

Riga's picture

To the degree that teachers are told what to do nowadays, my sister was even told exactly how she HAD TO organize her cabinets.

Manthong's picture

The mental health of Minnesotans should be questioned for giving so many votes to Stuart Smalley, a card carrying, entertainment union buffoon.

But there really cannot be much contention to that premise after they elected a frogman with a boa to high office.

And Smalley is crazy if he thinks he is really worthy of a seat in the US Senate.

Maybe it’s the mosquitos.

But now the bugs and the air get to spread Somali diseases.


RichardParker's picture

And Smalley is crazy if he thinks he is really worthy of a seat in the US Senate.

Congress has some of the lowest hiring standards in the universe.

ljag's picture

Can we get someone to superimpose a slamming car trunk every time Stuart talks? Someone will get that....I suppose

detached.amusement's picture

Bridgeport CT, everyone, woooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  *drops mic*

Bwana's picture

You got that strait, HitLIARy was a senator, and that is surely scraping the bottom of the barrel.

jeff montanye's picture

well, so one might have thought, but to just hint at the degree to which the tripartite constitutional separation of powers has been biased to the executive, as a senator she didn't do much and helped the banksters and the zionists at the margin.

as secretary of state she killed a million people.

Citizen in 1984's picture

Standards? The Congress has Standards? Tell me in ain't so........................ANYBODY can get elected to Congress, even a mental patient......just as long as he can convince enough fellow patients that aren't in the asylum to vote for them.............

The Dem (commie) party has those fellow inmates capable of voting for them.....What ever happened to all the mental Hospitals that we used to have?

detached.amusement's picture

and even at that, they still had to have judges sift through ballots in order to declare him "winner" to get in there

DeaconPews's picture

I remember when he lost the election. Then they miraculously found enough votes in the trunk of a car to beat the incumbent. Hows that for corruption. 

jeff montanye's picture

you may have al confused with lbj, as i remember it was like a double recount.  further i think he's doing a good job for a democrat.  i am prejudiced because i loved his work on snl.  to see a straight guy do gay so in your face is still refreshing.  

this is such an instructive experience.  details on the constitution.  like a rugby scrimmage.  but perhaps it wouldn't be amiss if the president would stop insisting on the provably false.

at least up some of your game.  this is the honeymoon from hell.  better figure out who you can trust and start making good on your greatest but implicit campaign promise.  it really needs to be done.

as an instructive example, imo, note the tone of wall street on parade, generally a reform outlet, imo: 

"Senator John McCain, who has already shown courage in publicly chiding Trump, needs to muster the guts of Senator Barry Goldwater on August 7, 1974 and take a delegation of Republican leaders to meet with Trump. At that meeting, in the most strident of terms, the Republican leadership needs to explain to Trump that he must cast his narcissistic tendencies aside, behave in a Presidential manner, verify his facts before he presents them to the American people, or step aside for the good of the country."  (my italics).

let's take a look at that.  cast aside narcissistic tendencies, behave in a presidential manner and verify his facts before he presents them to the american people.  or lose office.  just like that.

what about if you start three wars and lose them?  kill over a million people?  initiate the executive execution of u.s. citizens without warrant, indictment, trial, conviction, whatever?  what about that?  are those good things or bad things?

LibertarianMenace's picture

"are those good things or bad things?"


Oh! oh! lemme guess: the latter are good things to McCain, or more likely, something he can understand, given mass-murder is "conventional"; and for us? well, the question should be rhetorical.

Yes We Can. But Lets Not.'s picture

I saw Franken on campus in 1988 when he was an advance man for Dukakis.  They'd send Franken in early to get the crowd laughing a bit, since Dukakis is a total stiff.  Problem was, Franken isn't funny.  He is another of those politicos masquerading as comics - Maher, Colbert, John Stewart, even David Letterman.  And then there is Sety Meyers, who seethes, seems like he wants to strangle someone.

Yog Soggoth's picture

Maybe Flint is not the only northern city with lead in the drinking water? I would check Chicago, Milwaukee, and Racine too.

RiverRoad's picture

Obama:  "But let's not talk about that."

"'Cause my teleprompter's not working"......duh.

 Thank God that jive-talking turkey turd is GONE.

Warthog777's picture

Oh! He's not gone.  He set up a control bunker near the WH. Gotta war chest and lots of demons errr minions. Not done "transforming America".  Watch what happens when the weather gets better.  Gonna look like Ukraine.  May 1st should be interesting.  Be armed.

Like a turd that won't flush.

RiverRoad's picture

Grab a plunger, baby, that guy's going down!!!


Evil Peanut's picture

the democrats have officially gone way beyond "Full Retard"

Citizen in 1984's picture

Full Blown and Nitro Injected Retard.............

Zorba's idea's picture

Mattis should send "top gun" fly- bys over barry's bunker early every morning!  Wake up motherfucker! 

divingengineer's picture

Stuart Smalley has never met someone who makes false statements on a regular basis?
Come now, think harder, Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

Battlefield USA's picture

“Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to <strike>discharge the powers and duties<strike> promote the Deep State/Shadow Government/Globalist Agenda of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.”

Fixed it.

RiverRoad's picture

#1 reason why a Dan Quayle should always be your VP.  NEVER a Johnson for a Kennedy; NEVER a Bush for a Reagan..............  

Poor Bush; bad luck, missed the brass ring by an inch.