Trump's ISIS Plan: Another US Invasion?

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Submitted by Ron Paul via The Ron Paul Institute for Peace & Prosperity,

Just over a week into the Trump Administration, the President issued an Executive Order giving Defense Secretary James Mattis 30 days to come up with a plan to defeat ISIS. According to the Order, the plan should make recommendations on military actions, diplomatic actions, partners, strategies, and how to pay for the operation.

As we approach the president’s deadline it looks like the military is going to present Trump with a plan to do a whole lot more of what we’ve been doing and somehow expect different results. Proving the old saying that when all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail, we are hearing increasing reports that the military will recommend sending thousands of US troops into Syria and Iraq.

This would be a significant escalation in both countries, as currently there are about 5,000 US troops still fighting our 13-year war in Iraq, and some 500 special forces soldiers operating in Syria.

The current Syria ceasefire, brokered without US involvement at the end of 2016, is producing positive results and the opposing groups are talking with each other under Russian and Iranian sponsorship. Does anyone think sending thousands of US troops into a situation that is already being resolved without us is a good idea?

In language reminiscent of his plans to build a wall on the Mexican border, the president told a political rally in Florida over the weekend that he was going to set up “safe zones” in Syria and would make the Gulf States pay for them. There are several problems with this plan.

First, any “safe zone” set up inside Syria, especially if protected by US troops, would amount to a massive US invasion of the country unless the Assad government approves them. Does President Trump want to begin his presidency with an illegal invasion of a sovereign country?

 

Second, there is the little problem of the Russians, who are partners with the Assad government in its efforts to rid the country of ISIS and al-Qaeda. ISIS is already losing territory on a daily basis. Is President Trump willing to risk a military escalation with Russia to protect armed regime-change forces in Syria?

 

Third, the Gulf States are the major backers of al-Qaeda and ISIS in Syria – as the president’s own recently-resigned National Security Advisor, Michael Flynn, revealed in a 2015 interview. Unless these safe zones are being set up to keep al-Qaeda and ISIS safe, it doesn’t make any sense to involve the Gulf States.

Many will say we should not be surprised at these latest moves. As a candidate, Trump vowed to defeat ISIS once and for all. However, does anyone really believe that continuing the same strategy we have followed for the past 16 years will produce different results this time? If what you are hammering is not a nail, will hammering it harder get it nailed in?

Washington cannot handle the truth: solving the ISIS problem must involve a whole lot less US activity in the Middle East, not a whole lot more. Until that is understood, we will continue to waste trillions of dollars and untold lives in a losing endeavor.

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LetThemEatRand's picture

Defeat ISIS = stop arming them and those from whom they can steal arms.  Let Russia do the heavy lifting over there while we sit over here and cheer them on.   Cancel the neocon plans for pipelines etc and focus on American infrastructure.   Pretty simple.

Cynicles's picture

The Rothschilds do not approve of this message.

The Saint's picture
The Saint (not verified) Cynicles Feb 21, 2017 9:01 PM

2 or 3 nukes should do the job quite nicely.

 

philipat's picture

Quite apart from the fact that sending US troops into Syria would be an illegal act.

Mena Arkansas's picture

Langley, Riyadh and Tel Aviv?

Chupacabra-322's picture

Didn't the ZioNeoConFascist PNAC forecast a 100 year Confict?

chindit13's picture

It is one of those bits of serendipity, or deity for those who prefer, that those like you who go through life cocksure of your knowledge, are totally impotent to do anything about it. You cannot mess anything up, because you lack the power to act on your ignorance.

Suffice it to say everything you are convinced you know is wrong. Admit it: you got your so-called knowledge from the internet. The Earth is flat on the internet, and your worldview is less sophisticated that even that.

The US is in the position it is in in Syria because of 1) Hillary and Susan Rice, and 2) stupidity (i.e., playing Einstein's Idiot).

Those who know that nothing good ever comes from getting involved in the ME warned Hillary and Rice what the likely outcome of any US military assistance would be. The intel community argued heavily against all involvement, arguing that no matter how bad things are, there are times when doing nothing---as painful as that might be---is the only course of action.

That is not the policy followed. The US military followed orders, despite the IC advising against doing so. Hillary and Rice's ideas were put into practice. The US arguably affected nothing positive, and maybe even nothing negative, at least nothing that would not have happened anyway. No friends were made, however, and undoubtedly some enemies were made.

Trump wants greater US military involvement in the Syrian conflict. His generals, ideally will argue against it, except for laser strikes against accessible targets where no civilians are in harm's way. Russia doesn't much care about the civilians when they engage in strikes. That has won them no friends, and likely made them many new enemies, which will manifest itself over the next few years in their Homeland. Russia made the mistake of thinking brute force can intimidate those who don't care if they die. People who can hold a grudge for 5000 years are not about to forget. That is the nature of khawaja involvement in the ME.

Rabbitnexus's picture

Your whole post is rubbish.  AS a Muslim and a brother of Syrians I assure ou Russia is incredibly popular in Syria, Iraq, Iran and many other places. Not to mention the majority of Muslims in all countries, who despite having lousy governments (just like the Western ones, who control most of our regimes anyway) are not stupid and can make up their own minds. Islam as an entity is supportive of Russia, rejects ISIS and all Takfifi/Salafist ideology and we have given up any expectation of honest or fair dealings with the US led west which has shown itself to be not only an enemy of Muslims worldwide, but a friend of our nemesis, the hated Wahhabis and their filthy poffspring the Takfiris. You've also shown yourselves to be champions of immorality and satanic perversions and of the devil's chosen world destroyers the Zionists (Pharisees by any other name the stink is the same).

Meanwhile Russia has come out for true Christian values and these happen to align with Islam in it's truth so we're good with Russia and Russia has shown immense humanity and care with their operations. There have been few civilian casualties and mainly of ISIS families anyway. Russia is providing the only humanitarian help to Syrians and they are adored by all. Russians have also brought in numerous Chechen troops who share religion with the Syrians and this has eased social pressures immensely too.  These are the facts and you have written nothing but Western propaganda lies.

Rabbitnexus's picture

Actually that wouldn't even scratch the surface. If you thought to use nukes to take out ISIS, given the area involved you'll need a few hundred.  Amazing how some people have magical thinking when it comes to nukes. There also seem to be an inability to think past the actual dropping of the first few either. The consequences such as fallout and retaliation leading to escalation etc isn't even on the radar of such nongs!

You might get away with a few sneaky small tactical nukes in Iraq, Syria and elsewhere once in a while and have, but that is only because the big boys were all able to pretend they never saw it.

JusticeTBuford's picture

Spend the money here.  After a business trip through Birmingham, Nashville, and Atlanta last week, it is more than apparent that the money could be better spent here on infrastructure.  Our roads and bridges need a lot of love.

Vilfredo Pareto's picture

Agreed.

 

Trump is a bit concerning at times, but what the heck.  ISIS wants a clash of civilizations?    Then ISIS and the right wing have a lot in common.

 

Let's grant them their wish.

max2205's picture

Red or blue. The days of dying for our politicians is over 

BigFatUglyBubble's picture

20 Veterans commit suicide a day.  Stop the madness.  No more invasions.  Adopt non-interventionism.  No entangling foreign alliances or wars. 

Paul Kersey's picture

"Defeat ISIS = stop arming them"

And, while we are at it, let's stop arming Israel to the tune of $3.5 billion +, in U.S. taxpayer money, every year. How about America gets the fuck out of the Middle East and the U.S. taxpayer is no longer forced to fund Israel? Enough of this "taxation without representation" exponential growth of our National Debt.

runswithscissors's picture

"Let Russia do the heavy lifting" ...use the remaining US troops in Iraq to annihilate any members of ISIS who flee across the border....kill them all with no mercy...no prisoners. Then bring the troops home.

Toshie's picture

'Common sense is not so common !' Voltaire

truthseeker69's picture

By their very nature, the Trump-chumps support neocon-- even if they are neocon "lites". 

Here's some careful truth: 

https://fee.org/articles/steve-bannon-believes-winter-is-coming/

cuck accordingly. 

Rabbitnexus's picture

To be fair, I think the Syrians, Iranians and Hezbollah who have lost tens of  thousands of troops and many more wounded in this war are doing the heaviest of lifting. Russia provides the muscle needed to offset the fact the Takfiri scum have the USA and partners backing them, but without the backers the locals could easily defeat the scum too. Russia's contribution may indeed be HEAVY and it certainly hasn't been cheap for them, (although I think they are pleased with the investsment in testing and marketing of their weapons) but no amount of money can be heavier than the lives lost.

Mustafa Kemal's picture

God help us, we are going to need it, if this is what we are going to do.

English herbsman's picture

Ahh war. Nothing makes money better.

 

It'd be easier to stop selling them weapons for geopolitical influence and let their war machine run itself dry, but hey, wheres the profit in that.

PoasterToaster's picture
PoasterToaster (not verified) Feb 21, 2017 8:55 PM

I don't think Langley is that well defended.  One division should be enough.

Chupacabra-322's picture

@ Poaster,

Where do I sign up? The World of Death, Murder, Mayhem & Chaos this Pure Evil Criminal Psychopath & its Santanic / Lucerferian Agents have inflicted upon the world & mankind is nothing compared to what awaits them.

I'm going to get MedEvil on your Asses. That, you can rest assured.

Francis Marx's picture

No big deal if we drop all the illegal Syrians in there and pay and arm them to do the ground war. Make Assad then pay for them with oil revenues. 

blindman's picture

but, the 'wasted' money represents access to the treasury/s
largess, co-opted sovereignty, by the corporate scum bags who happen
to not give a fig concerning mutilation of brown skinned people,
pale skinned or native types. it is a simple complex of stealing
by order of fear and terrorizing your own populations and then
blaming the cost, transferring the cost, on the population.
the money system demands it. that is the growth problem.
cancerous pedagogy of growth required by the false money
, bankster, system. it kills the most innocent and native,
the truth, routinely and methodically.
sad and ugly we have become.

nmewn's picture

On the upside all the whiners about finite resources should be happy, there's less takers!

blindman's picture

they say every cloud has a silver lining,
i think they say it?
yet, just because there are less takers
does not mean that less will be taken.
not all takers are equal. some, the
survivors in certain paradigms, are
greater takers. perhaps, the greatest
takers? and then they get all the publicity
for their great taking and their exploits are
broadcast on the news and in the gossip circuit.
famous and fabulous to aspire and inspire
the children. oh, joy.

blindman's picture

funny but true.
.
[The two lessons ...!] — Scarface
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhxayTf1vVs
.
however, frank did not heed his own warnings.

JailBanksters's picture

Governments keep selling it ... but the people aren't buying it anymore.

I fear Governments more than Terrorists, that's how bad things have deteriorated.

 

turnball the banker's picture
turnball the banker (not verified) JailBanksters Feb 21, 2017 9:08 PM

Trouble is the taxpayer keeps feeding it

JailBanksters's picture
When Exposing a Crime is Treated as Committing a Crime,
You Are Ruled By Criminals. This is because people keep voting for the same Criminals and expecting different results each time. How else can you explain Hillary "Deplorable" Clinton and John "Bom Bom" McCain
Spitball's picture

Spot on Ron.

This is the guy who should've been president.

I would love to see Trump offer him a position somewhere.

BigFatUglyBubble's picture

The only policies Trump and R. Paul would have in common is defending the border.  Trump says he wants to lower taxes but he doesn't want to shrink government, so he is going to steathily tax through inflation.  Even if Trump offered a Job, I'm not sure Paul would accept. 

Dr. Bonzo's picture

...the President issued an Executive Order giving Defense Secretary James Mattis 30 days to come up with a plan to defeat ISIS...

Here's the plan to defeat ISIS. Arrest all the US intelligence personnal who have supported islamic fuckheads with weapons and training and funding, all the way up the chain-of-command, to include the president. Then Barry and Killary can share a cell together.

Problem solved.

Consuelo's picture

 

 

That's right.   So how does one pose the solution when the solution is actually eliminating oneself...?

 

 

max_leering's picture

I say bomb the fuck out of Doha, Dubai, Riyadh, Tel Aviv, Ankara, Amman and any other foreign nation that has had anything to do with the rise of, or support of any/all terrorist group... oh, forgot D.C. (foreign to me), Brussels and London

Chupacabra-322's picture

@ Dr. Bonzo,

Arming, funding & training Al CIA duh / Alqueda / I CIA SIS / ISIS terror organizations since the days of the Mujahadeen.

Mustafa Kemal's picture

" since the days of the Mujahadeen."

Goes back to post WWII where the CIA coopted the Nazi's use of the Muslim Brotherhood as a fifth column against the russians. The Nazis also had a division of 70K Russian Turks  with armbands that read Allah Biz bilen (We the God knowing).  

Read A Mosque in Munich.

MaxThrust's picture

Any army, militia, terror group, when starved of funds, weapons and logistical support, fades away very quickly.

 

turnball the banker's picture
turnball the banker (not verified) Feb 21, 2017 9:06 PM

Mic has to do some testing before they hit Iran

Mustafa Kemal's picture

"Mic has to do some testing before they hit Iran"

This is going to bring Iran in bigtime, maybe even Russia. 

Consuelo's picture

 

 

 The only way this ends is when the $rug gets pulled out of the ability to spend carelessly.   So does this happen on its own, or does the process get help from Russia & China...?   Judging by our foreign policy actions/confusion/debacles, etc., probably the latter.

 

 

 

BigFatUglyBubble's picture

as long as there is ctrl-P the rug is nailed in place, I'm afraid. 

Brazen Heist's picture

US troop presence in Syria will not make things any better, as they will always be viewed as occupiers, and should stay the hell away.

The only troops needed are Syrian government troops and their invited allies. Because apparently, they are much better at fighting terrorists than the US is.

There fixed it for you.

moorewasthebestbond's picture

The last two weeks has seen more fighting in Ukraine than the whole Middle East combined. If Trump is not going to prosecute Hillary, why bother prosecuting Isis?

 

With any luck Trump will be smart and deescalate and defuse these regional hot spots. He needs to finish his cabinet and get his DOJ busy prosecuting all the criminal assholes on the left.

Ace006's picture

The attacks on al-Qaida and ISIS need to be ramped up. The US military needs to do whatever the Syrians and Russians recommend. Otherwise they should pull out with a sincere apology to Pres. Assad.

buzzsaw99's picture

Soviet method is more economical. [/Ivan Danko, Red Heat ]

I give up. This whole thing's very Russian. [/Art Ridzik, Red Heat ]