America's Miserable 21st Century

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Via Nicholas Eberstadt of CommentaryMagazine.com,

On the morning of November 9, 2016, America’s elite—its talking and deciding classes—woke up to a country they did not know. To most privileged and well-educated Americans, especially those living in its bicoastal bastions, the election of Donald Trump had been a thing almost impossible even to imagine. What sort of country would go and elect someone like Trump as president? Certainly not one they were familiar with, or understood anything about.

I

Whatever else it may or may not have accomplished, the 2016 election was a sort of shock therapy for Americans living within what Charles Murray famously termed “the bubble” (the protective barrier of prosperity and self-selected associations that increasingly shield our best and brightest from contact with the rest of their society). The very fact of Trump’s election served as a truth broadcast about a reality that could no longer be denied: Things out there in America are a whole lot different from what you thought. 

Yes, things are very different indeed these days in the “real America” outside the bubble. In fact, things have been going badly wrong in America since the beginning of the 21st century.

It turns out that the year 2000 marks a grim historical milestone of sorts for our nation. For whatever reasons, the Great American Escalator, which had lifted successive generations of Americans to ever higher standards of living and levels of social well-being, broke down around then—and broke down very badly.

The warning lights have been flashing, and the klaxons sounding, for more than a decade and a half. But our pundits and prognosticators and professors and policymakers, ensconced as they generally are deep within the bubble, were for the most part too distant from the distress of the general population to see or hear it. (So much for the vaunted “information era” and “big-data revolution.”) Now that those signals are no longer possible to ignore, it is high time for experts and intellectuals to reacquaint themselves with the country in which they live and to begin the task of describing what has befallen the country in which we have lived since the dawn of the new century.

II

Consider the condition of the American economy. In some circles people still widely believe, as one recent New York Times business-section article cluelessly insisted before the inauguration, that “Mr. Trump will inherit an economy that is fundamentally solid.” But this is patent nonsense. By now it should be painfully obvious that the U.S. economy has been in the grip of deep dysfunction since the dawn of the new century. And in retrospect, it should also be apparent that America’s strange new economic maladies were almost perfectly designed to set the stage for a populist storm.

Ever since 2000, basic indicators have offered oddly inconsistent readings on America’s economic performance and prospects. It is curious and highly uncharacteristic to find such measures so very far out of alignment with one another. We are witnessing an ominous and growing divergence between three trends that should ordinarily move in tandem: wealth, output, and employment. Depending upon which of these three indicators you choose, America looks to be heading up, down, or more or less nowhere.

From the standpoint of wealth creation, the 21st century is off to a roaring start. By this yardstick, it looks as if Americans have never had it so good and as if the future is full of promise. Between early 2000 and late 2016, the estimated net worth of American households and nonprofit institutions more than doubled, from $44 trillion to $90 trillion. (SEE FIGURE 1.)

Although that wealth is not evenly distributed, it is still a fantastic sum of money—an average of over a million dollars for every notional family of four. This upsurge of wealth took place despite the crash of 2008—indeed, private wealth holdings are over $20 trillion higher now than they were at their pre-crash apogee. The value of American real-estate assets is near or at all-time highs, and America’s businesses appear to be thriving. Even before the “Trump rally” of late 2016 and early 2017, U.S. equities markets were hitting new highs—and since stock prices are strongly shaped by expectations of future profits, investors evidently are counting on the continuation of the current happy days for U.S. asset holders for some time to come.

A rather less cheering picture, though, emerges if we look instead at real trends for the macro-economy. Here, performance since the start of the century might charitably be described as mediocre, and prospects today are no better than guarded.

The recovery from the crash of 2008—which unleashed the worst recession since the Great Depression—has been singularly slow and weak. According to the Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA), it took nearly four years for America’s gross domestic product (GDP) to re-attain its late 2007 level. As of late 2016, total value added to the U.S. economy was just 12 percent higher than in 2007. (SEE FIGURE 2.) The situation is even more sobering if we consider per capita growth. It took America six and a half years—until mid-2014—to get back to its late 2007 per capita production levels. And in late 2016, per capita output was just 4 percent higher than in late 2007—nine years earlier. By this reckoning, the American economy looks to have suffered something close to a lost decade.

But there was clearly trouble brewing in America’s macro-economy well before the 2008 crash, too. Between late 2000 and late 2007, per capita GDP growth averaged less than 1.5 percent per annum. That compares with the nation’s long-term postwar 1948–2000 per capita growth rate of almost 2.3 percent, which in turn can be compared to the “snap back” tempo of 1.1 percent per annum since per capita GDP bottomed out in 2009. Between 2000 and 2016, per capita growth in America has averaged less than 1 percent a year. To state it plainly: With postwar, pre-21st-century rates for the years 20002016, per capita GDP in America would be more than 20 percent higher than it is today.

The reasons for America’s newly fitful and halting macroeconomic performance are still a puzzlement to economists and a subject of considerable contention and debate. Economists are generally in consensus, however, in one area: They have begun redefining the growth potential of the U.S. economy downwards. The U.S. Congressional Budget Office (CBO), for example, suggests that the “potential growth” rate for the U.S. economy at full employment of factors of production has now dropped below 1.7 percent a year, implying a sustainable long-term annual per capita economic growth rate for America today of well under 1 percent.

Then there is the employment situation. If 21st-century America’s GDP trends have been disappointing, labor-force trends have been utterly dismal. Work rates have fallen off a cliff since the year 2000 and are at their lowest levels in decades. We can see this by looking at the estimates by the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) for the civilian employment rate, the jobs-to-population ratio for adult civilian men and women. (SEE FIGURE 3.) Between early 2000 and late 2016, America’s overall work rate for Americans age 20 and older underwent a drastic decline. It plunged by almost 5 percentage points (from 64.6 to 59.7). Unless you are a labor economist, you may not appreciate just how severe a falloff in employment such numbers attest to. Postwar America never experienced anything comparable.

From peak to trough, the collapse in work rates for U.S. adults between 2008 and 2010 was roughly twice the amplitude of what had previously been the country’s worst postwar recession, back in the early 1980s. In that previous steep recession, it took America five years to re-attain the adult work rates recorded at the start of 1980. This time, the U.S. job market has as yet, in early 2017, scarcely begun to claw its way back up to the work rates of 2007—much less back to the work rates from early 2000.

As may be seen in Figure 3, U.S. adult work rates never recovered entirely from the recession of 2001—much less the crash of ’08. And the work rates being measured here include people who are engaged in any paid employment—any job, at any wage, for any number of hours of work at all.

On Wall Street and in some parts of Washington these days, one hears that America has gotten back to “near full employment.” For Americans outside the bubble, such talk must seem nonsensical. It is true that the oft-cited “civilian unemployment rate” looked pretty good by the end of the Obama era—in December 2016, it was down to 4.7 percent, about the same as it had been back in 1965, at a time of genuine full employment. The problem here is that the unemployment rate only tracks joblessness for those still in the labor force; it takes no account of workforce dropouts. Alas, the exodus out of the workforce has been the big labor-market story for America’s new century. (At this writing, for every unemployed American man between 25 and 55 years of age, there are another three who are neither working nor looking for work.) Thus the “unemployment rate” increasingly looks like an antique index devised for some earlier and increasingly distant war: the economic equivalent of a musket inventory or a cavalry count.

By the criterion of adult work rates, by contrast, employment conditions in America remain remarkably bleak. From late 2009 through early 2014, the country’s work rates more or less flatlined. So far as can be told, this is the only “recovery” in U.S. economic history in which that basic labor-market indicator almost completely failed to respond.

Since 2014, there has finally been a measure of improvement in the work rate—but it would be unwise to exaggerate the dimensions of that turnaround. As of late 2016, the adult work rate in America was still at its lowest level in more than 30 years. To put things another way: If our nation’s work rate today were back up to its start-of-the-century highs, well over 10 million more Americans would currently have paying jobs.

There is no way to sugarcoat these awful numbers. They are not a statistical artifact that can be explained away by population aging, or by increased educational enrollment for adult students, or by any other genuine change in contemporary American society. The plain fact is that 21st-century America has witnessed a dreadful collapse of work.

For an apples-to-apples look at America’s 21st-century jobs problem, we can focus on the 25–54 population—known to labor economists for self-evident reasons as the “prime working age” group. For this key labor-force cohort, work rates in late 2016 were down almost 4 percentage points from their year-2000 highs. That is a jobs gap approaching 5 million for this group alone.

It is not only that work rates for prime-age males have fallen since the year 2000—they have, but the collapse of work for American men is a tale that goes back at least half a century. (I wrote a short book last year about this sad saga.2) What is perhaps more startling is the unexpected and largely unnoticed fall-off in work rates for prime-age women. In the U.S. and all other Western societies, postwar labor markets underwent an epochal transformation. After World War II, work rates for prime women surged, and continued to rise—until the year 2000. Since then, they too have declined. Current work rates for prime-age women are back to where they were a generation ago, in the late 1980s. The 21st-century U.S. economy has been brutal for male and female laborers alike—and the wreckage in the labor market has been sufficiently powerful to cancel, and even reverse, one of our society’s most distinctive postwar trends: the rise of paid work for women outside the household.

In our era of no more than indifferent economic growth, 21st–century America has somehow managed to produce markedly more wealth for its wealthholders even as it provided markedly less work for its workers. And trends for paid hours of work look even worse than the work rates themselves. Between 2000 and 2015, according to the BEA, total paid hours of work in America increased by just 4 percent (as against a 35 percent increase for 1985–2000, the 15-year period immediately preceding this one). Over the 2000–2015 period, however, the adult civilian population rose by almost 18 percent—meaning that paid hours of work per adult civilian have plummeted by a shocking 12 percent thus far in our new American century.

This is the terrible contradiction of economic life in what we might call America’s Second Gilded Age (2000—). It is a paradox that may help us understand a number of overarching features of our new century. These include the consistent findings that public trust in almost all U.S. institutions has sharply declined since 2000, even as growing majorities hold that America is “heading in the wrong direction.” It provides an immediate answer to why overwhelming majorities of respondents in public-opinion surveys continue to tell pollsters, year after year, that our ever-richer America is still stuck in the middle of a recession. The mounting economic woes of the “little people” may not have been generally recognized by those inside the bubble, or even by many bubble inhabitants who claimed to be economic specialists—but they proved to be potent fuel for the populist fire that raged through American politics in 2016.

III

So general economic conditions for many ordinary Americans—not least of these, Americans who did not fit within the academy’s designated victim classes—have been rather more insecure than those within the comfort of the bubble understood. But the anxiety, dissatisfaction, anger, and despair that range within our borders today are not wholly a reaction to the way our economy is misfiring. On the nonmaterial front, it is likewise clear that many things in our society are going wrong and yet seem beyond our powers to correct.

Some of these gnawing problems are by no means new: A number of them (such as family breakdown) can be traced back at least to the 1960s, while others are arguably as old as modernity itself (anomie and isolation in big anonymous communities, secularization and the decline of faith). But a number have roared down upon us by surprise since the turn of the century—and others have redoubled with fearsome new intensity since roughly the year 2000.

American health conditions seem to have taken a seriously wrong turn in the new century. It is not just that overall health progress has been shockingly slow, despite the trillions we devote to medical services each year. (Which “Cold War babies” among us would have predicted we’d live to see the day when life expectancy in East Germany was higher than in the United States, as is the case today?)

Alas, the problem is not just slowdowns in health progress—there also appears to have been positive retrogression for broad and heretofore seemingly untroubled segments of the national population. A short but electrifying 2015 paper by Anne Case and Nobel Economics Laureate Angus Deaton talked about a mortality trend that had gone almost unnoticed until then: rising death rates for middle-aged U.S. whites. By Case and Deaton’s reckoning, death rates rose somewhat slightly over the 1999–2013 period for all non-Hispanic white men and women 45–54 years of age—but they rose sharply for those with high-school degrees or less, and for this less-educated grouping most of the rise in death rates was accounted for by suicides, chronic liver cirrhosis, and poisonings (including drug overdoses).

Though some researchers, for highly technical reasons, suggested that the mortality spike might not have been quite as sharp as Case and Deaton reckoned, there is little doubt that the spike itself has taken place. Health has been deteriorating for a significant swath of white America in our new century, thanks in large part to drug and alcohol abuse. All this sounds a little too close for comfort to the story of modern Russia, with its devastating vodka- and drug-binging health setbacks. Yes: It can happen here, and it has. Welcome to our new America.

In December 2016, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported that for the first time in decades, life expectancy at birth in the United States had dropped very slightly (to 78.8 years in 2015, from 78.9 years in 2014). Though the decline was small, it was statistically meaningful—rising death rates were characteristic of males and females alike; of blacks and whites and Latinos together. (Only black women avoided mortality increases—their death levels were stagnant.) A jump in “unintentional injuries” accounted for much of the overall uptick.

It would be unwarranted to place too much portent in a single year’s mortality changes; slight annual drops in U.S. life expectancy have occasionally been registered in the past, too, followed by continued improvements. But given other developments we are witnessing in our new America, we must wonder whether the 2015 decline in life expectancy is just a blip, or the start of a new trend. We will find out soon enough. It cannot be encouraging, though, that the Human Mortality Database, an international consortium of demographers who vet national data to improve comparability between countries, has suggested that health progress in America essentially ceased in 2012—that the U.S. gained on average only about a single day of life expectancy at birth between 2012 and 2014, before the 2015 turndown.

The opioid epidemic of pain pills and heroin that has been ravaging and shortening lives from coast to coast is a new plague for our new century. The terrifying novelty of this particular drug epidemic, of course, is that it has gone (so to speak) “mainstream” this time, effecting breakout from disadvantaged minority communities to Main Street White America. By 2013, according to a 2015 report by the Drug Enforcement Administration, more Americans died from drug overdoses (largely but not wholly opioid abuse) than from either traffic fatalities or guns. The dimensions of the opioid epidemic in the real America are still not fully appreciated within the bubble, where drug use tends to be more carefully limited and recreational. In Dreamland, his harrowing and magisterial account of modern America’s opioid explosion, the journalist Sam Quinones notes in passing that “in one three-month period” just a few years ago, according to the Ohio Department of Health, “fully 11 percent of all Ohioans were prescribed opiates.” And of course many Americans self-medicate with licit or illicit painkillers without doctors’ orders.

In the fall of 2016, Alan Krueger, former chairman of the President’s Council of Economic Advisers, released a study that further refined the picture of the real existing opioid epidemic in America: According to his work, nearly half of all prime working-age male labor-force dropouts—an army now totaling roughly 7 million men—currently take pain medication on a daily basis.

We already knew from other sources (such as BLS “time use” surveys) that the overwhelming majority of the prime-age men in this un-working army generally don’t “do civil society” (charitable work, religious activities, volunteering), or for that matter much in the way of child care or help for others in the home either, despite the abundance of time on their hands. Their routine, instead, typically centers on watching—watching TV, DVDs, Internet, hand-held devices, etc.—and indeed watching for an average of 2,000 hours a year, as if it were a full-time job. But Krueger’s study adds a poignant and immensely sad detail to this portrait of daily life in 21st-century America: In our mind’s eye we can now picture many millions of un-working men in the prime of life, out of work and not looking for jobs, sitting in front of screens—stoned.

But how did so many millions of un-working men, whose incomes are limited, manage en masse to afford a constant supply of pain medication? Oxycontin is not cheap. As Dreamland carefully explains, one main mechanism today has been the welfare state: more specifically, Medicaid, Uncle Sam’s means-tested health-benefits program. Here is how it works (we are with Quinones in Portsmouth, Ohio):

[The Medicaid card] pays for medicine—whatever pills a doctor deems that the insured patient needs. Among those who receive Medicaid cards are people on state welfare or on a federal disability program known as SSI. . . . If you could get a prescription from a willing doctor—and Portsmouth had plenty of them—Medicaid health-insurance cards paid for that prescription every month. For a three-dollar Medicaid co-pay, therefore, addicts got pills priced at thousands of dollars, with the difference paid for by U.S. and state taxpayers. A user could turn around and sell those pills, obtained for that three-dollar co-pay, for as much as ten thousand dollars on the street.

In 21st-century America, “dependence on government” has thus come to take on an entirely new meaning.

You may now wish to ask: What share of prime-working-age men these days are enrolled in Medicaid? According to the Census Bureau’s SIPP survey (Survey of Income and Program Participation), as of 2013, over one-fifth (21 percent) of all civilian men between 25 and 55 years of age were Medicaid beneficiaries. For prime-age people not in the labor force, the share was over half (53 percent). And for un-working Anglos (non-Hispanic white men not in the labor force) of prime working age, the share enrolled in Medicaid was 48 percent.

By the way: Of the entire un-working prime-age male Anglo population in 2013, nearly three-fifths (57 percent) were reportedly collecting disability benefits from one or more government disability program in 2013. Disability checks and means-tested benefits cannot support a lavish lifestyle. But they can offer a permanent alternative to paid employment, and for growing numbers of American men, they do. The rise of these programs has coincided with the death of work for larger and larger numbers of American men not yet of retirement age. We cannot say that these programs caused the death of work for millions upon millions of younger men: What is incontrovertible, however, is that they have financed it—just as Medicaid inadvertently helped finance America’s immense and increasing appetite for opioids in our new century.

It is intriguing to note that America’s nationwide opioid epidemic has not been accompanied by a nationwide crime wave (excepting of course the apparent explosion of illicit heroin use). Just the opposite: As best can be told, national victimization rates for violent crimes and property crimes have both reportedly dropped by about two-thirds over the past two decades.3 The drop in crime over the past generation has done great things for the general quality of life in much of America. There is one complication from this drama, however, that inhabitants of the bubble may not be aware of, even though it is all too well known to a great many residents of the real America. This is the extraordinary expansion of what some have termed America’s “criminal class”—the population sentenced to prison or convicted of felony offenses—in recent decades. This trend did not begin in our century, but it has taken on breathtaking enormity since the year 2000.

Most well-informed readers know that the U.S. currently has a higher share of its populace in jail or prison than almost any other country on earth, that Barack Obama and others talk of our criminal-justice process as “mass incarceration,” and know that well over 2 million men were in prison or jail in recent years.4 But only a tiny fraction of all living Americans ever convicted of a felony is actually incarcerated at this very moment. Quite the contrary: Maybe 90 percent of all sentenced felons today are out of confinement and living more or less among us. The reason: the basic arithmetic of sentencing and incarceration in America today. Correctional release and sentenced community supervision (probation and parole) guarantee a steady annual “flow” of convicted felons back into society to augment the very considerable “stock” of felons and ex-felons already there. And this “stock” is by now truly enormous.

One forthcoming demographic study by Sarah Shannon and five other researchers estimates that the cohort of current and former felons in America very nearly reached 20 million by the year 2010. If its estimates are roughly accurate, and if America’s felon population has continued to grow at more or less the same tempo traced out for the years leading up to 2010, we would expect it to surpass 23 million persons by the end of 2016 at the latest. Very rough calculations might therefore suggest that at this writing, America’s population of non-institutionalized adults with a felony conviction somewhere in their past has almost certainly broken the 20 million mark by the end of 2016. A little more rough arithmetic suggests that about 17 million men in our general population have a felony conviction somewhere in their CV. That works out to one of every eight adult males in America today.

We have to use rough estimates here, rather than precise official numbers, because the government does not collect any data at all on the size or socioeconomic circumstances of this population of 20 million, and never has. Amazing as this may sound and scandalous though it may be, America has, at least to date, effectively banished this huge group—a group roughly twice the total size of our illegal-immigrant population and an adult population larger than that in any state but California—to a near-total and seemingly unending statistical invisibility. Our ex-cons are, so to speak, statistical outcasts who live in a darkness our polity does not care enough to illuminate—beyond the scope or interest of public policy, unless and until they next run afoul of the law.

Thus we cannot describe with any precision or certainty what has become of those who make up our “criminal class” after their (latest) sentencing or release. In the most stylized terms, however, we might guess that their odds in the real America are not all that favorable. And when we consider some of the other trends we have already mentioned—employment, health, addiction, welfare dependence—we can see the emergence of a malign new nationwide undertow, pulling downward against social mobility.

Social mobility has always been the jewel in the crown of the American mythos and ethos. The idea (not without a measure of truth to back it up) was that people in America are free to achieve according to their merit and their grit—unlike in other places, where they are trapped by barriers of class or the misfortune of misrule. Nearly two decades into our new century, there are unmistakable signs that America’s fabled social mobility is in trouble—perhaps even in serious trouble.

Consider the following facts. First, according to the Census Bureau, geographical mobility in America has been on the decline for three decades, and in 2016 the annual movement of households from one location to the next was reportedly at an all-time (postwar) low. Second, as a study by three Federal Reserve economists and a Notre Dame colleague demonstrated last year, “labor market fluidity”—the churning between jobs that among other things allows people to get ahead—has been on the decline in the American labor market for decades, with no sign as yet of a turnaround. Finally, and not least important, a December 2016 report by the “Equal Opportunity Project,” a team led by the formidable Stanford economist Raj Chetty, calculated that the odds of a 30-year-old’s earning more than his parents at the same age was now just 51 percent: down from 86 percent 40 years ago. Other researchers who have examined the same data argue that the odds may not be quite as low as the Chetty team concludes, but agree that the chances of surpassing one’s parents’ real income have been on the downswing and are probably lower now than ever before in postwar America.

Thus the bittersweet reality of life for real Americans in the early 21st century: Even though the American economy still remains the world’s unrivaled engine of wealth generation, those outside the bubble may have less of a shot at the American Dream than has been the case for decades, maybe generations—possibly even since the Great Depression.

IV

The funny thing is, people inside the bubble are forever talking about “economic inequality,” that wonderful seminar construct, and forever virtue-signaling about how personally opposed they are to it. By contrast, “economic insecurity” is akin to a phrase from an unknown language. But if we were somehow to find a “Google Translate” function for communicating from real America into the bubble, an important message might be conveyed:

The abstraction of “inequality” doesn’t matter a lot to ordinary Americans. The reality of economic insecurity does. The Great American Escalator is broken—and it badly needs to be fixed.

With the election of 2016, Americans within the bubble finally learned that the 21st century has gotten off to a very bad start in America. Welcome to the reality. We have a lot of work to do together to turn this around.

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Babs.St.Louis's picture

Good stuff ZEROHEDGE. 

Also I copied this from another ZERO HEDGE article. More good stuff.  Thanks guys.

I do enjoy all of these speculative ariticles on ZH. They have been writing on the VIX a lot lately, it seems. But they keep flipping the analysis. I am thinking maybe they are just writing to be writing.  Sometimes I have noticed this on ZH.  But for the most part there is a lot of good information here as long as you take the time to skim it out. 

The analysts from SHEPWAVE that ZH have been covering have been doing a really good job of calling the market moves and even some specific analysis (real analysis) for the VIX.  I think their article on the VIX was last week. But really good explanation of why it is doing what it is doing and not doing what everyone thinks it should be doing . More importantly though, their ability to give BUY AND SELL Signals for the equity indexes and  oil and gold just flat out make a trader money.

Thank you Zerohgedge for having a balanced platform here. 

 

BTW, SW shows some of the past recent calls at these sites:

 

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https://www.facebook.com/166578775325/photos/a.10153488951800326.1073741827.166578775325/10154415124400326/?type=3&theater  

hedgesofnight's picture

I see a direct correlation when SHEPWAVERS have a really good week they all come out on Zerohedge.  This past week was basically flat in the markets but SW did a good job of prognosticating as usual.  Thanks ZH for the good work.  

MexInvest's picture

There is also a relationship in the sense that the non traders or traders who have lost their butts in the markets try to down talk SHEPWAVE and ZEROHEDGE.  These guys have been perma bears for a long time and many are broke.  I do not think they would be able to recognize a good analyst if they had one in front of them. You would think the charts that SHEPWAVE shows  would be enough to cause them to wise up. Some people just like to keep losing money in the markets I think though. 

slightlyskeptical's picture

You would think you would stop wasting your time here. 

chunga's picture

Public service announcement to new visitors of ZH. Sometimes spammers pretend to be engaged in the conversation and cheer on their own scams with fake accounts.

Above is a good example because almost all of it fits this description.

Billy G's picture

She's gott a good heart.  Plus assuming those charts are legit, then they are probably the best analyst.  But considering that there are not any traders left on ZH it hardly much matters now does it. 

chunga's picture

Pay attention class. Here is another fraudulent scammer, note the deceptive practice of operating in a swarm.

Dame Ednas Possum's picture

Note the trademark swarm of downvotes. 

 

The only legit downvoting to this scale tends to be captain sarcasm Million Dollar Bonehead... and that annoying little prick Excreta Is-u-a. 

 

 

Bay of Pigs's picture

I wonder why the Tylers put up with these useless pricks?

swmnguy's picture

Click counts pay the bills.  That's the only reason why.

nmewn's picture

Yeah, they're pretty liberal (using the word liberal in the best possible way) about it, to comment/post is completely Faaarrreee!...its just that, it doesn't come with money back guarantees or some vague right to be believed spammers are innocent, genuinely altruistic human beings, just trying to enrich society financially & emotionally in any way they can.

Which is sometimes presented as one in the same ;-) 

mofreedom's picture

Traders are on here for sure. I quit trading a while ago. I fought the Fed and the Fed won...HUGE.

No Tears.

Van G's picture

You are man enough to admit it.  These people like CHUNGA keep acting like they still have money.  They are not even traders.

You will get your money back. Just stick with the good analysts. Or just stick with the REAL ANALYSTS. ZH is a great propaganda site. Nice and conservative. But as far as any real investment or trading advice they have basically been off for the past 5 years. That is why there are so may Shepwave folks on here.  They are making money. It is that simple I think.  

chunga's picture

Observe the pathologic behavior of morphing along with the conversation, still peddling the scam with yet another fake account. This is a classic case of fraudulent spam, perhaps working in a team, but most likely just one cyber crook.

TrumpRally's picture

WOW, come on Chunga.  I saw you get on the offensive all week this week when people call you on your bogus statements. I think in this case once again the crowd is right and you asre wrong. But I do not think you are reallyon ZH to help you trade. So, I guess it does not matter. 

ROFLMAO 

chunga's picture

Note the persistence of the scammers, the fraud is pervasive and relentless.

KC Spike's picture

have you seen the charts that are time stamped that the original poster put up?  I mean it is kind of hard to argue with the evidence of the calls made by Shepwave in December, almost four months ago.  While ZH keeps trying to call a top at least it seems like Shepwave is actually calling the markets correctly.  I am just going by the charts they have been showing here. 

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ZASU PITTS's picture
ZASU PITTS (not verified) KC Spike Mar 4, 2017 11:39 PM

You actually think Chunga knows how to read a chart. The guy is a loser.  He has been harrassing people on here for a long time. I am sick of him.  He never has anything worthwhile to add to a conversation except to prove his own stupidity.

chunga's picture

People in the 21st century have to constantly adapt to an environment where they are literally surrounded by fraud. Fraud that crudely tries to blend in as though it's normal.

Mustafa Kemal's picture

"People in the 21st century have to constantly adapt to an environment where they are literally surrounded by fraud. Fraud that crudely tries to blend in as though it's normal."

Spot on, chunga. It appears to be a sign of the times.

vulcanraven's picture

Hey clown, if you have only been here for 4 weeks, how would you know that Chunga has been harassing people for a "long time"???

Nice upvote/downvote script btw. 

Giant Meteor's picture

 "once again the crowd is right"

Holy shit, you actually went there ...

The fucking crowd my friend, is NEVER right .. 

I believe you just called the top.

Well done!

Bay of Pigs's picture

Fuck off troll.

You couldn't carry his jockstrap.

mofreedom's picture

I was a great grain trader until I turned my attention to currencies hard and soft and blame nobody. I've met people worse off than me and I hug them.

mofreedom's picture

I am done "making" money except working for my clients and "families." No vacations in sight if I have anything to say about it which I do not.

new game's picture

i got back to breakeven and quite the battle. paid off debts and now live within means to point of posative cash flow.

i still do stupid things though. live and learn. once one learns that insiders win, then one can free themselves of the bondage of something for nothing mentality. nothing is free. smarts can be the only advatage one has. use it wisely...

Giant Meteor's picture

"But considering that there are not any traders left on ZH it hardly much matters now does it."

Good point. This is one reason that I've just launched,

Magic 8 Ball Investments ...

It is a combination of astrology, psychology and practical proctology.

Our platform, using the latest in anal probology, is second to none.

Essentially we use our proprietary software, to combine only the best readings of tarot cards and voodoo, you know, that thing that you do. We do this by following past, present and future herd lines, and use it to form our first rate solid anal isis based upon these historical trends, trend lines and patterns.

Shemps Wave ..

We are completely differentiated from the usual noise of investing and can easily distinguish the migration and investing habits of sheep, lemmings, and shoe shine boys calling the top. As usual, Past Performance is No Guarantee of Future Results

 

Saneesh's picture

Funny.  I bet Zerohedge would buy your articles.  Sounds good. 

shovelhead's picture

Sign me up.

I went with Shempwave and the 35 multiple entities that go with ol Shemp and got so throughly cornholed you could park a bus in my ass.

My 9 kids are eating shoe soup. I need to recover.

thisandthat's picture

So, if you already concluded that, why do you even bother, you stupid fuck?

 

On a more serious note, anyone else got this - second time already:

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It's not that wp hosting or quality free comment systems aren't readily available by the fuckton, if needed, so I guess site gives zero fucks about not only "user experience" but also the effective conveying of its message altoghether. Endemic spamming is just a mere symptom; it'd be dead easy to put an end to it without even dedicated 3rd party involvement.

Ms No's picture

Shepwave has at least 10 accounts.  Then they are dumb enough to bash the Hedge while on here trying to pirate space to sell their BS.  Pretty brilliant all around.  You would think they would at least be smart enough to not shit-talk the Hedge in the process and as such go unnoticed for longer.  These fuckers need money bad and it's obvious why.

 

Chi Juan's picture

I have seen about 100 or more people on ZH discussing Shepwave.  So, I am not so sure you have your facts right.  Perhaps you may want to look at the charts the people are showing.  They nailed GOLD and the QQQ.  I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYONE ELSE ON ZEROHEDGE SHOW PROOF OF MARKET CALLS LIKE THAT, INCLUDING TYLER.  SO THAT IS SOMETHING TO TAKE SERIOUSLY IF YOU ASK ME. 

roddy6667's picture

An occasional win does not mean anything. A stopped clock is right twice a day. You are just another fake account for Shepwave.

shovelhead's picture

See?

The funny thing is nobodies asking a fake and a pimp like you.

Take your shitwave to Yahoo.

mofreedom's picture

I love the Hedge as I love Drudge...truly my only two sources of news...except the FAKE shit I have to pay for on my Bloomberg terminal.

chunga's picture

I'm just kidding around. I've seen plenty of spam on ZH but never this bad, almost all the comments are spam. Hello Tyler lol.

Ms No's picture

Tyler!  You've been invaded by Shepwave the mustard installers on the hot dog of life. 

Oh I know you are just kidding Chunga.  These guys are annoying.  It's almost funny it's so stupid.

chunga's picture

Apologies to the author who writes this whole thing about a "miserable century"; only to see it turn into platform for a business model made up of fake testimonials via spam, and an innovative financial product.

You have a good night. I'm going to bed!

Marilee's picture

Good night Chunga.  

They beat you up pretty good on this thread tonight. Maybe it is wise to actually look at the charts and market calls of an analyst and his cronies before calling it spam.  Just a suggestion.  

Giant Meteor's picture

Heh spam bots, Marillee and Vrginia Woolfe, I notice you and Virginia became ZH members on exactly the same day, 10 weeks and three days ago. That's fantastic! Do you have any other sisters making $7000.00 per month in their basement? Are they single!?

 

Virginia Wooolf's picture

Chunga you might try to offer some real evidence against the Shepwave people.  I mean they are showing real time / time stamped charts proving their case. Why do you think there are so many of them on here?  Have you seen the calls they havbe been making, while ZH has been basically bearish for years now?   C'mon! It does not take a genius to see who is making money here and who is not. 

Penny Trader's picture

NOW THAT IS PROBABLY THE TRUTH!

roddy6667's picture

They are gamblers, plain and simple. When they win, they spam this and many other websites. When they lose, it's crickets. Go to a casino. You see the winners, the 2%, leaving through the front door, making a lot of noise and waving money around. 98% of the players slink quietly out the side doors to their dented, rusted beater cars and go home to a wife who is pissed off because he just blew the rent money.

Shepwave is no better. There is no fiancial wisdom, no wealth accumulation, no great System. It's no different than any casino. The house wins, the gamblers lose.

Giant Meteor's picture

I feel your pain brother.

The article was a good one. Nailed a whole lots of things, worthy of consideration. Unfortunately most folks are not interested in those things. The moron contigency is having its day. Congratulate them, wish them well. Pray for their continued, health, wealth and happiness, safe passage, on this perilous journey called life.

Or, you could just do what I sometimes do and shout out, "Fucking Assholes!"

new game's picture

something for nothing plays on humans desire of survival with the least effort. in the natural world they are vultures, buzzards, flies and maggots and a host of others in the food chain. for humans it is gov.org and banksters(amount the top parasites). if would be safe tosay, today, that we have to many parasites consuming the host. that host is productive middle income wage earners doing productive jobs creating wealth by creating things of value, deemed neccesary for life. with gov.org supporting this parasite mentality, the end result is chaos, and partial anarchy as the systems of support breakdown, just maff...

i am going on record that 2024 starts the great demise of merica. 8 years the shtf for real. wheels off wagon, petro dolla gone, bankruptcy loams, invasions from abroad as retribution for decades of killing, total chaos. cities burning, infastructure in disrepair, military paralized by chaos everywhere. even the police stay home for fear of being a bulleye.

prepare to leave soon as possible.

divingengineer's picture

There's more spammers than ZHers tonight.
Spam, it's what's for dinner.

Giant Meteor's picture

ShepWave? It's SpamWave ... actually more like a tsunami.

Seems a shitload of these spam bots joined at the 10 week 3 day mark.

Seems like a bot script of some sort ..

http://www.cleverscript.com

WTFUD's picture

I hang here as much as anyone and have never seen or heard of Shepwave until tonight. Whad'bout you?

Bret Bear's picture

The SHEPWAVE people tend to  come and brag after they have had another good week. I think they know that a lot of the traders on here have been bearish for so long and are losing.  Shepwave has been actually giving them some good trades for a while now and their readers are gloating. 

I find it all rather humorous. Chunga is the best. He gets so frustrated. Makes my week.  

Marilee's picture

That makes sense.  Most posters on here are not traders.  Chunga is just a leech. He is always being picked on for saying stupid stuff. Looks like everyone is really letting him have it tonight. I feel sorry for the guy. Not too bright.