Former Bush AG Confirms "Trump Probably Right About Surveillance"

Tyler Durden's picture

Following Obama's quasi-denial, Clapper's outright denial, and Mark Warner's "reckless" perspective on Trump's 'wiretap' accusations, none other than former George W. Bush Attorney General Michael Mukasey has come to the president's defense, explaining that Trump is likely correct that there was surveillance on Trump Tower for intelligence purposes.

The twists and turns of this 'whodunnit' continue as former intelligence officials and former presidents point fingers at each other with varying levels of denial.

This morning also saw the senior Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee call President Donald Trump’s tweeted allegations that the Obama administration had wiretapped Trump Tower without revealing evidence “very reckless.” Sen. Mark Warner says,

“This feels like an attempt where the president is trying to distract us by throwing out unsubstantiated information.”

But as The Hill reports, former Attorney General Michael Mukasey on Sunday told ABC's "This Week":

“I think he’s right in that there was surveillance and that it was conducted at the behest of the attorney general – at the Justice Department,”

Mukasey, who served as the attorney general under former President George W. Bush, said he believes there was surveillance on Trump Tower after reading certain news reports.

Mukasey said if there were a wiretap on Trump Tower, it would mean that there was suspicion someone had been acting as Russian agent.

"It means there was some basis to believe that somebody in Trump Tower may have been acting as an agent of the Russians for whatever purpose,” he said. “Not necessarily the election, but for some purpose.”

Of course, careful not to cross the line into full Trump-defense mode, Mukasey pointed out that Trump is probably incorrect in accusing former President Barack Obama of ordering the wiretapping - though offered no reason for his perspective.

So when do we get a full-throated denial from Clinton-plane-chatty-kathy and Obama-defender-to-the-death Loretta Lynch? ... And when does the whistleblower leaks that she lied follow that denial?

Finally, Intelligence Committee Ranking Member Schiff responded to The White House request to investigate President Trump's 'wiretap' claims. Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA), the Ranking Member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, released the following statement:

"Today, it became all the more clear that President Trump's claim that he was illegally wire-tapped by President Obama was based on little more than Breitbart or other conspiracy-based news. For a President of the United States to make such an incendiary charge -- and one that discredits our democracy in the eyes of the world -- is as destructive as it was baseless. For a President who similarly claimed that millions of undocumented immigrants voted illegally costing him the popular vote, and that his predecessor wasn't born in the United States, these new President who similarly claimed that millions of undocumented immigrants voted illegally costing him the popular vote, and that his predecessor wasn't born in the United States, these new allegations follow a familiar if deeply disturbing pattern of distraction, distortion and downright fabrication. Sean Spicer today tweeted that the Administration would have no further comment until this matter was investigated and who can blame him: not even Spicer wishes to have to speak to such a unsubstantiated charge.

 

"This week, I spoke publicly about my concern that Director Comey refused to answer the questions many of our committee members asked about matters germane to our investigation. If the Administration truly believes that President Obama illegally eavesdropped on the Trump campaign and wants our committee to investigate the matter, they should join my call on Director Comey to answer any question put to him that is pertinent to the Russia investigation."

So - just to clarify - the entirety of America should be demanding a full investigation into Trump-Russian connections (on the basis of nothing more than conjecture) but President Trump's demand for an investigation into an internal surveillance of an American citizen (himself) is "baseless" and "deeply disturbing."

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FriendlyAquaponics's picture

"What difference, at this point, does it make?"

Grow more food.

Never One Roach's picture

"We need some common sense Trump Tower wire tapping legislation."

 

 

sushi's picture

 

“This feels like an attempt where the president is trying to distract us by throwing out unsubstantiated information.”

 

Is this the same distraction as saying Putin ran the election? Also without any substantive proof or evidence?


Paul Kersey's picture

If there is constant surveillance on all Americans, which is at least plausible, then why wouldn't there be surveillance on Trump Tower? Deep State is always collecting data on us, but it is selectivity deciding on which data it wants to mine and on which date it chooses to seriously scrutinize. Why would it not be mining its Trump Tower data, especially when TPTB see Donald Trump as a loose, and possibly dangerous cannon?

Billy the Poet's picture

That which is obvious to you and I remains "unsubstantiated" in the words of the peeping Toms themselves.

eatthebanksters's picture

The NSA knows the real identities of all of us on these threads making 'anonymous' comments.  Remember that.

Billy the Poet's picture

Makes no difference to me. They already know what I think of mutineers.

y3maxx's picture

-If this is true....would make Clapper twice a liar.

Once to Congress and today on Meet the Press. 

Giant Meteor's picture

Oh, he is definitely lying (on both.) You can be certain of it.

Clap on! Heh there, Jimmie!

See that? I just said hi to Mr. Clapper, ok then.

Clap off !

booboo's picture

I suspect the individuals that are NOT commenting or trying to fly under the radar have ther finger prints on this one (cough lynch cough..cough) .............of course Obama knew of it

 

AllBentOutOfShape's picture

From spying on Americans to spying on Merkel's cell phone and many other leaders around the world that are allied with the US, I'd say it's all but certain they also spied on Trump.  The only problem is whether it can be proven.

consider me gone's picture

That was my first thought. Arguing with liberals is like arguing with one's wife. They obfuscate and throw unsubstantiated allegations around in such huge quantities until you don't know which one you are addressing at any given moment And when you are confused beyond saving, they accuse you of obfuscating and throwing out unsubstantiated allegations. When you finally retreat to gain some much needed semblance of sanity to ease your throbbing mind, they accuse you of retreating because you know your are wrong and you know you are lying. That's about the time you vacate so as to not commit multiple felonies. With so many people like this, when my time comes leave this planet to is fate, I will be more than ready.

Giant Meteor's picture

Jesus you too?

On the other hand, once re-grouped, you swoop like a bird of prey, begile them with stealth and well earned flattery. You know, always with happier moments in mind. Never knew what hit em!

All I know is, I enjoyed (it wasn't pot roast) slowed cooked pork ribs in a crock pot and paddy cakes for desert! Of course I had to make a small presentation, listening to a few of my personal shortcomings, a dressing down so to speak, but I took it like a man .. Good God I hope I've learned a few things after 39 years !

Victory brothers, Victory!

Giant Meteor's picture

Of course, its what they do!

What I meant to say, (the edit function disappeared quickly on this one) I have YET to hear any credible evidence of "Russian" election tampering as well.

This shit has been brewing hard from AT LEAST 2001 wherein it was excepted and codified into LAW, and others pointed out the "slippery slope"" while still others retorted, well FISA, and if you're doing nothing wrong, nothing to worry about! Seriously!  Who in their right mind, looked at the events leading up to the ... ten-letter abbreviation (USA PATRIOT) expanded, the full title is "Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001".[2] and come away with any other conclusion, but that it was a move towards bigger and better control, had nothing really to do with their "boogeymen" and everything to do with instilling and creating fear, gto chill dissent etc., not to mention the NEW and improved Swiss army knife of deep state skullduggery!

These asshats could not get it done when it really counted (if one excepts the premise that many were not directly involved in the first place,) where were the trials, for deriliction of duty, malfeasance, violations of sworn duties and oaths, treason?

No, what we needed see, is to pass further Orwellian laws, that any right thinking person had to KNOW were going to be used for purposes FAR from those that were stated. Granting powers where powers should not have been granted, and now, as we know EVERY American is a "suspect" and guilty to NEVER be found innocent. Well, I suppose its better than being outright murdered, on the other hand, perhaps not.

Anyway, thats what I believe ...

Emmmm, that pot roast sure is smelling good (speaking of food.)

 

 

 

SloMoe's picture

Popcorn isn't strong enough for this movie. Need something that fits in a shot-glass...

83_vf_1100_c's picture

At this point in the circus most are just swigging straight from the bottle.

swmnguy's picture

I have no doubt they were tapping Trump's server.  I also have no doubt Obama didn't order it personally, and that it is 100% completely utterly lawful.

And that is the entire problem in a nutshell.

For people to act like this is a new problem, a strictly Obama problem, is disingenuous in the extreme.  Partisan dishonesty, indeed.  When the GWBush Administration really ratcheted this shit into overdrive, it was all the "Conservatives" saying, "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear."  And all us left-wing libertarian types who oppose all the Wars of Empire were smeared as having something to hide and hating America for valuing our freedoms.

TheMeatTrapper's picture

Oh get over it. FISA warrants exist for a reason. Tapping your election opponent isn't one of them. 

Giant Meteor's picture

Sure it is legal, IF he were "believed" to be "conspiring" with the enemy ..

The Russians, always, always the Russians ..

Thats how they tart this thing up, and as mentioned probably nice and legal like!

I think THIS is the point ..

Obama may have been many things, but sure as fuck he knew how to cover his tracks, insulate himself from the real party. Hell, I believe most of them SHOULD have learned THAT lesson ...

There is a problem however, a double bind (aren't they all.) With NO credible evidence yet presented, and third rate shit like, "well he talked to the ambassador of Russia" and lied about it .. Flynn, Sessions etc

And repeatedly these fast and loose accusations of "the Russians" now apparently "justifying" wire tapping of a political opponent who, WON this fucking shitshow election, fair and square, and NOW with the electorate, citizenry very much up in arms .... Well, something is going to have to give, and soon.

Someones cards will need to be neatly laid on the table, face up. OR a new game perhaps, cuz this one is just about played out ..

Winston Churchill's picture

The FISA law is expiring this year.We can but hope this will bleach it out in the sunlight.

Star chambers and kangaroo courts are for banana republics.

earleflorida's picture

FISAs fine... it's the 'Patriot Act' that should be eviscerated!

swmnguy's picture

Think like your opponent.  Of course they're not tapping an election opponent.  For one thing, Obama isn't Hillary Clinton, so Trump wasn't HIS opponent, was he.  And Obama wasn't tapping anything.  The FBI, or one of the alphabet soup agencies was.  And they weren't tapping Trump the candidate, or the Trump campaign; they were tapping the business entity that was renting space to the office of the Russian bank in New York City.  

See?  It's all about National Security, and Financial Security.  Or, if you prefer, for the kids.

If you think there's something new about the use of all this Executive Power for political purposes, under the cover of law and perfectly legal and "aboveboard," you're new to politics in America.  Try protesting the Wars of Empire, and you'll notice annual tax audits, among other things, start coming your way.  Nothing new.

Giant Meteor's picture

Bingo, and it really didn't take too long for THAT boomerang to come back home, did it.

Well done, well said,

Billy the Poet's picture

Grow more food.

 

My first experience this year picking fresh parsnips, root parsley and celery in February. All lush and green under glass in a raised bed right here in Western Pennsylvania (zone 6b).

FriendlyAquaponics's picture

Good for you! Start simply, start small, but for goodness sake, START!

Gather wild foods. Grow in containers, raised beds, soil, or with Aquaponics (if you really want food production to be EASY!). Plant fruit and nut trees.

I am envious of your zone 6B! Your hard winters give you the option of growing many, many food sources that I can't grow here in the tropics.

Billy the Poet's picture

And I keep trying to grow things like figs and ginger and tea.  The grass is always greener I suppose.

consider me gone's picture

Your mind is where it needs to be. Well done. 

Billy the Poet's picture

"I was determined to know beans." -- Thoreau

tip e. canoe's picture

nice one billy.  

you get my vote for gardener of the year (so far).

JRobby's picture

If food was plentiful and affordable, it would be harder to control the multitudes.

Next question 

FriendlyAquaponics's picture

My point, exactly.

Hence my tagline, my eponym, and my current life's work.

vulcanraven's picture

“This feels like an attempt where the media is trying to distract us by throwing out unsubstantiated information.”

Fixed.

Giant Meteor's picture

Without yet even looking at these links, I can assure you, not defending Mukasey NOR his statement, which , well lets face it, as someone already pointed out. Its all bullshit, all the time and virtually a cast of thousands. Truth is, NONE of us know what the fuck is really going down, although we sure are exercising our brains, hopefully, in having these discussions. I see "the pattern" here .. and it does not bode well for anyone really.

To use a famous POTUS tweet, which I have only seen here through ZH,

#sad

Secret Weapon's picture

Snowden points out what the NSA has been doing to us and Trump thinks he should be killed.  Trump gets a taste and he gets all butt hurt.  Sorry, but the  complaints fall on my deaf ears until citizen privacy once again becomes sacred.

Giant Meteor's picture

You will get no argument from me on this point. Truth is, Trump, whether willingly or not, is simply one more pawn in this epic melodrama, These, The Days of Our Lives (or lies) if you prefer.

It is known as "reaping the whirlwind", "ridin the lightening" , yeeeeee hawwwwwww.

This always reminds me of Slim Pickens ...

Lumberjack's picture

Mukasey is trying to appease a certain 'sector' while covering someone else's ass. He is no better than low-renta

Amazing how all the slime balls suddenly started crawling out from under the rocks.

Giant Meteor's picture

Ain't it though !?

The lights must not yet be on. Wait for the light to come on, the cockroaches will scatter, for cover.

/Back to the dish cabinets with you, be gone! /s

corsair's picture

Mukasey is swamp POS. I don't know why the author of this article thinks that he did Trump any favor here. Basically, what he is saying is that there probably was wiretapping, but for a good reason. IOW he is implying that Trump is guilty of collusion with Russians.

Lumberjack's picture

Um, it isn't the Russians that did the wire tapping... someone else "certain sector" did...

consider me gone's picture

Read some 1st Century BC Roman politics and it will all seem very, very familiar to you.

tip e. canoe's picture

or some late (pick one) dynasty Chinese ones.

Elco the Constitutionalist's picture
Elco the Constitutionalist (not verified) Giant Meteor Mar 5, 2017 3:45 PM

"So - just to clarify - the entirety of America should be demanding a full investigation into Trump-Russian connections (on the basis of nothing more than conjecture) but President Trump's demand for an investigation into an internal surveillance of an American citizen (himself) is "baseless" and "deeply disturbing.""

Nailed it.

Giant Meteor's picture

Thats it, that's the double bind, or blind, as the case may be.

Well done.

Also note: WE are the control subjects, not them. they, and those etc ...

tip e. canoe's picture

"Also note: WE are the control subjects"

what happens to the experiment when a critical mass of subjects understand that they are subjects
when the methodology of the experiment depends upon the subjects not knowing they are subjects?

Giant Meteor's picture

Good question, I guess we're going to find out!

Yeeeeeeeee hawwwwww !

Ignatius's picture

"No, don't listen to that piece of shit, listen to this piece of shit."

Wears me out.

X- x3's picture

Michael Mukasey is 100% complicit in the 9/11 Cover Up.

This bastard is worried that, PG- #PizzaGate & #Pedogate ..... will lead to blowing wide-open 9/11.

Actually, he's been sent out by his bosses to deflect anything that might expose their pedo entrapment-brownstone (((friends))).

Bet On It!

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