Illinois State Senator Pushes Bill Allowing Government To Confiscate Guns Without Due Process

Tyler Durden's picture

Via Daniel Lang of SHTFPlan.com,

There are people in our government who are determined to chip away at our Second Amendment rights, and they are an insidious bunch.

Rarely do they make blatant gun grabbing attempts. Typically they push for policies that quietly set back gun rights. They like laws that merely set precedents without alarming the public, and they’ve been doing it successfully for decades.

The latest of these attempts comes from Illinois, one of the least gun friendly states in America. State Senator Julie Morrison has proposed a bill titled SB 1291, which would allow the government to confiscate firearms from citizens without any due process. According to Breitbart:

SB 1291 would create a “Lethal Order of Protection” whereby the firearms of Illinois residents could be confiscated if a family member or “law officer” files a petition stating the gun owner “poses an immediate and present danger of causing personal injury to himself, herself, or another by having … [a firearm] in his or her custody or control.”

 

SB 1291’s summary states:

 

[The bill] provides that the petition shall also describe the type, and location of any firearm or firearms presently believed by the petitioner to be possessed or controlled by the respondent. Provides that the petitioner may be a family member of the respondent or a law enforcement officer, who files a petition alleging that the respondent poses a danger of causing personal injury to himself, herself, or another by having in his or her custody or control, owning, purchasing, possessing, or receiving a firearm. Establishes factors that the court must consider before issuing a lethal violence order of protection. Provides for the issuance of ex parte orders and one year orders.

Basically if this bill passes, then a resident of Illinois could have his or her firearms confiscated if a family member alleges that the person in question is an immediate threat to himself or others. All they have to do is file a petition and report that allegation to the government. I say allegation, because under this bill, no real proof is required to take away someone’s firearms.

Moreover, the input and presence of the person who is targeted is not required during this process. If this happened to you, it wouldn’t even be your word against theirs. You wouldn’t be able to defend yourself in court at all.

However, what may be more alarming about this bill, is it that states that a “law enforcement officer” can file one of these petitions. Does that mean that the cops could have your weapons confiscated on a whim?

The gun grabbers in our society have tried to set a lot of bad legal precedents over the years. Let’s pray that this doesn’t become one of them.

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nukegm's picture

when will you people in illinois learn?

time to move.

Crash Overide's picture

Most of Illinois has good folk, the politicians make this state a shit hole and tax burden to live in.

 

AGuy's picture

I am waiting for Illinois to enact a law the prevents workers from leaving the state. Perhaps Illinois will build its own iron curtain.

If I recall one or two residents leaves the state every minute. It won't really matter what the state gov't does when the state is largely a giant ghost town.

DisorderlyConduct's picture

Yeah, I know right? How Atlas Shrugged would *that* be?

Then you gotta be John Galt to get out..! ^_^

ClassicalLib17's picture

In 1970, Illinois had a state constitutional convention. That convention added a clause that states "these pensions cannot be impaired or diminished in any way."

Today, municipalties struggle to fund a police and fire pension fund that grants their retirees a pension that provides a 50% pension of final salary for 20 years of service and 75% for thirty years. Their pensions include a constitutional guarantee of an annual 3% compounding increase. The Teachers retirement guarantees the same. Both have opted out of the Social Security System and their contribution per pay period is around 9.9% per pay period. Well, if you subtract the fica SS contribution of 6.2% per pay period that they opted out of they are only 3.2% out of pocket. My municipality has 5 less police retirees to active employees. 3% annual doubles in 24 years. My opinion? I think the active employees are about 10% short in their personal contribution. But, that's not going to happen and that's why I am looking to move across the border in spite of the fact that Wisconsin taxes pensions. The Teachers Retirement System liabilty is even much larger. Their system allows their members to declare retirement 4 years ahead and they calculate the final salary on the rule that, on paper, increases the final 4 years of work as if they got an annual raise of 4%. What private sector fund gives away money like this?  Signed, A retired Union Carpenter. And grateful for as long as it lasts! Debt free since 2003. Not going to file for SS until next year at 64 years old. A-h-h-h, I probably don't have much longer to go as I consume a pack of American Spirit(light blue) a day and drink a 1.75 of Makers Mark a week. Good bye, who ever you people are. I love each and everyone of you. No, I don't. I've had a few splashes of Knob Creek on the rocks. You're not going to live forever!

BeanusCountus's picture

Grant them their pensions subject to mandatory smoking two packs a day. And Double big macs for lunch. Should be no problem.

44magnum's picture

Well, thats the whole united states

Michigander's picture

Just like most other states, except California...

junction's picture

Next, we will have a bill allowing the government to confiscate pensions without due process. Wait, we already have that but the government hatchet men need to get their ducks all in a row before letting many pension plan recipients know that their pension fund cupboard is bare.

JLee2027's picture

Julie Morrison needs to be removed from State office, without due process.

Hal n back's picture

Her time should be spent solving the states financial crisis.

OregonGrown's picture

Come try and take mine and see WHAT THE FUCK happens to you!  

 

DisorderlyConduct's picture

You just set yourself up for a middle-of-the night no-knock raid. I don't like the idea but you just labeled yourself a high risk warrant.

With 10 SWAT guys and one of you I can tell you how meaningful your bravado is. Not at all. It just justifies additional overkill on their part. If your strategy is to simply hold ground when they come you won't win. Sounds tough and all, but there's a lot of dead tough guys because they chose to fight the wrong fight. Most of the dead guys in Chicago this year were plenty tough. See what it got them.

If you feel so strongly then organize and oppose the law. Work to educate the public about guns. Take a liberal to the range (I've converted several). Or move to  a state like Kansas where we enshrined the 2nd Amendment into our state Constitution and let Illinois self destruct.

Don't down vote the truth just because you don't like it. Think about it and fight only fights you can win. Sun Tsu was not wrong.

OregonGrown's picture

I dont pretend for one SECOND that I am not on that list (for I read ZH and I am a freedom and liberty loving gun owner who is NOT afraid to say how he feels ;)   I want "them" to know that I and alot of others are not afraid AND we wont ever let ANYONE take our guns.... I dont give a FUCK who you think you are!

Alot of us have been preparing/prepared for a long time for this exact scenerio to play out!  

KNOW that my black/silver tips are NOT for the unsuspecting burglar that happened to choose the wrong house to burglarize.... BUT FOR THE OVERZEALOUS POLICY ENFORCERS that think they are going to dictate to me OR ANYONE ELSE how things are going to go on my property, in my country!  

LINE UP IN A ROW, COME IN AND TAKE THEM........ I DARE YA!

 

DisorderlyConduct's picture

I respect your spirit. I am probably just like you in many ways.

But there are escalations in force that are better met by laying low and acting in your time and on ground of your choice. This is fundamental tactics.

boattrash's picture

Personally, I think the fine Senator would make a much more profound statement if she'd "Vince Foster" herself, that introduce a POS Legislation...

illuminatus's picture

The problem in these instances is always organisation or the lack thereof. They have it you don't.

Oldwood's picture

Retreat is not always defeat if strategic. First we must be able to assess risk and understand probabilities. Illinois is lost, as is most of California. Retreat to states where we can hold the line makes good sense. The electoral college rears its pretty head here where holding districts rather than spreading our forces makes sense.

One thing we need to understand is that the threat of gun control/confiscation is as much a part of a strategy for them as it is an actual policy. 

What we know is their primary mode is division that drives radicalization....On both sides. Their side is radicalized to action as is ours, EXCEPT, ours is vilified while theirs is portrayed as truth and goodness by the media outlets. 

We and our guns are a NECESSARY threat, not a real one but one that can be portrayed as one and USED. 

Further, few of them have any illusions of actual confiscation. Our numbers are simply too great. But what they can do is use gun ownership as a membership of radicalization that will be used to pass laws that effectively make us all outlaws, simply from our lack of compliance. 

This outlaw status effectively REMOVES US from the democratic process. It will be used as a means to suppress and silence our voice because AS outlaws we will avoid conflict and confrontation. This will also become a means of depriving us of our rights to vote as any conviction of illegal gun ownership or failure to register will automatically disqualify our vote.

This is more complex than it first seems and as we have seen from progressives for decades, if nothing else they are methodical and PATIENT.

DisorderlyConduct's picture

Yup. Taking a stand with a state full of like-minded people demands a political solution.

Taking a stand by yourself against armed agents of the state demands a removal of the threat.

Oldwood's picture

They NEED us as a threat. It is how they motivate their base and how they create the false notion of consensus in the "belief" in that threat. Our every action is desired as it is to be used against us, the media making it all possible. Again, this is a big reason that I support Trump as he is shrinking the power of the media to define things as good or bad. People need to question what they see and hear. Trump makes everybody question everything.

OldTrooper's picture

I like Kansas.  Moved the family there a year ago, the SE corner.  Good, normal people.

But, I grew up in a little town west of Topeka, so maybe my idea of normal isn't exactly mainstream.

AGuy's picture

"Come try and take mine and see WHAT THE FUCK happens to you!"

Wrong answer: Why bother when you just leave the crappy state. Its pretty silly to remain in hell when you can just pack up and leave.

Proofreder's picture

Officer Friendly, tell us why you shot the suspect -

Well, Sir, he presented a danger 

to himself and/or others; he obviously needed killin'.

Good work, Officer, keep it up.

MrSteve's picture

Quoting Robert DiNiro, "there's nothing wrong with shooting, as long as the right people get shot!"

Budnacho's picture

Ah Illinois....gonna be an interesting upcoming few years methinks...

grunk's picture

Silly communists.

Son of Loki's picture

Why don't these politicians enact stuff or do stuff that Americans actually need?

Jobs would be a  nice start. Tax cuts, Term limits. Salary caps for politicians. End the freaking wars..... and so on.

Chuck Walla's picture

Well, it's not about you or I or us. It's all about their power and profit and privilege.  They are any number of Hillary Clintons in various stages and levels of corruption.  If they do anything good its just a happy coincidence.

DisorderlyConduct's picture

Because their interests are not served by doing so.

Sucks, I know. But there it is, plain and simple.

economicmorphine's picture

Illinois doesn't pay its bills.  Infrastructure is crumbling.  Chicago has lost one million people.  Illinois is a shit stain.  

DirtySanchez's picture

That coward isn't going to take your weapon. He wants some poor dumb victim cop to risk his life to take your weapon.

I would love nothing more for some mutt lawmaker to enter my home uninvited.
He would be introduced to a hell he could never imagine.

moorewasthebestbond's picture

Some nobody state senator files a ridiculous bill in order to get some undeserved press... and SHTFplan obliges her.

 

Stupid bills like this come out almost every year in blue states... with a 0.0% chance of passing.

The Wedge's picture

So therefore don't shed any light on these bills. Just pretend it's not going on. Gotcha. Makes perfect sense.

East Indian's picture

You people are lucky; you have a Constitution to defend.

The Indian Supreme Court judges have started appointing their own successors, even overriding the Parliament. Now nobody, not even the President, has any say on appointing the judges for the Supreme Court and about 25 High Courts.

 

NWO. By any means.

konadog's picture

Kinda. We mostly have the illusion of a Constitution. The Federal government pretty much does anything it pleases now in the name of "national security" and the "war on terror" (or should I say the war on civil rights). We just saw the Wiki dump proving what most of us already knew that the CIA has gone completely rogue.

ebworthen's picture

DUH.  Sure, because criminals and gangsters obey the law and are "afraid" of .gov.

As if you can't buy all the Meth, Cocaine, Pot, Guns, and Pussy on the black market a person could want.

First thing the National Socialist Party (Nazi's for those of you in Rio Linda) did was confiscate registered firearms.

Herp and Derp's picture

Washington passed a similar horrible law with about the same wording.  It will be interesting when they try to enforce it, but Washington is turning liberal from all the California exodus.  I think there should be a law preventing new residents from voting for 5 years on local matters.

Tortfeasor's picture

"by having in his or her custody...a firearm"

Joke's on you! My preferred pronoun is "xhe" so I'm exempt!

WillyGroper's picture

no worries...this is aimed at those fast n furious pallets of weapons left in the alleys.

SubjectivObject's picture

Odd, the police do not appear to be actively pursuing the guns wafting about in the Chiraq hoods, and they should already have all the laws they need to do it.  Shucks, have the police just stand in an alley and the guns will come to them.  Methinks this legistation is not about those guns.

grunk's picture

The following law enforcement agencies will enforce this "law:"

mannfm11's picture

I'm sure the Illinois constitution has the right to bear arms in it.  The bastard should be impeached.  Who would give their guns to a group of mafia dons?  That is what the majority of politicians in that state are.  And to think the DNC has attempted to cram two straight down our throats for President.  Don't forget Hillary's origin was Chicago.

MrSteve's picture

Technically speaking, Park Ridge is not Chicago.

Ms No's picture

Good luck with that.  For entertainment purposes they should try that in Indiana.

yogibear's picture

The Shitcago area of Illinois is a libtard haven.

It's a lost cause. 

Just fence it off and cut off the funding.

Let the criminals rob and abuse the libtards, they deserve it.

bardot63's picture

Does that include muzzies?  Gangbangers?  Illegal wetbacks? Ruskie mafia?   Crooked Chicago cops?   State lawmakers?  Security guards surrounding Illinois public officials, incl courthouses, the mayor and ex-presidents?   I'll file that petition right now.

stant's picture

Went in to my local gun shop looking for some cheap . 308 to plink with . They had a bunch of . 50 bmg in large boxes . When ask the owner he said that's the in thing these days . Bit out my range . Sadly no cheap .308 but I did pick up some cheap 5.56! Point being folks are gettin ready

Dilluminati's picture

https://www.wideners.com/reloading-supplies/bullets/rifle-bullets/308-bu...

and

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/673835/lee-ultimate-4-die-set-308-winc...

and 

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dsporting&fiel...

and 

https://load-data.nosler.com/load-data/308-winchester/

so

http://www.shydasoutdoorcenter.com/hodgdon-powder-h4895.html

(note 7000 grains to a pound) so 150 loads per pound give/take

and finally

https://www.grafs.com/uploads/technical-resource-pdf-file/12.pdf

so

http://www.shydasoutdoorcenter.com/shooting/brand/cci-primers.html

 

It's very simple and has been down for well over 100 years with tools not nearly as refined and as accurate as what is available today.

I buy bullets by the thousand's

When the weather is good, we pack up and go down and shoot at a local range (annual membership required)

I load 30-30 winchester, 357, and 38.

Ruger 77-357 and rossi M92 18" stainless, few pistols, and a lever action winchester

I was concerned Hillary would win and prepped, but for the cost of reloading you should ALWAYS have bullets

I pay $150/month for martial arts training for my daughter and my spouse can outshoot myself, keeps everyone civil in the family.

P.S. we don't drink