Is Mike Pence The Deep State's Insurance Policy?

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Authored by Darius Shahtahmasebi via,

Last month, Anti-Media reported on leaked intelligence that forcibly ousted national security adviser Michael Flynn from the Trump administration. Flynn’s successor,  General H.R. McMaster, is far more hawkish, and in comparison to Flynn, takes a much more anti-Russian stance. It isn’t too much of a stretch to assume McMaster’s job will be secure if he continues to perpetuate the anti-Russian narrative we have become so familiar with in recent decades.

Despite this, the media still perpetuates anti-Russian hysteria and repeated claims regarding the Trump administration’s ties to Russia — despite the fact that Flynn, Trump’s supposed go-between with Russia, has already relinquished his power.

Why would this be?

As most people are aware, Trump was able to secure his seat in the White House by offering a markedly different vision for America than Hillary Clinton, who largely mirrored Obama’s presidency. Both Clinton and Obama had very hawkish approaches to Russia and Russia’s strategic allies in the Middle East. In contrast, Trump was clear that he respected Russia’s president and wanted to forge closer relations.

The first thing to note is that Trump has been keeping most of his campaign promises to date — even the most outlandish ones. The second is that Flynn was actually in the process of offering a deal on economic sanctions against Russia and a ceasefire in Ukraine, suggesting there was substance behind Trump’s pro-Russia rhetoric. The issue with this, of course, is that ultimately, there are people within the intelligence community who view a warming of relations with Russia to be a deal breaker with the Trump administration.

Evidently, there are those behind the scenes within the deep state and the intelligence community who still fear that Trump could take away their long-held anti-Russian narrative, which has arguably been fueling the need for such a large and oversized military budget since World War II.

So where is this headed?

If Trump doesn’t adopt the Cold War 2.0 approach of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton and is forced out of his own administration in the same manner as Flynn, it will become clear why once we learn who would replace him: Mike Pence.

As the Washington Post’s Josh Rogin observed:

“Pence is seen by many in Washington as a figure who might stand up for the traditionally hawkish views he espoused while in Congress, a proxy of sorts for the GOP national security establishment.”

According to White House officials, lawmakers and experts, Pence, a “traditional hawk influenced heavily by his Christian faith” is reportedly advancing a Rasputin-esque agenda in which he can appease Trump in the meantime by working within Trump’s proposed foreign policy framework, as well as respect the prerogatives of other senior White House aides who want to play large foreign policy roles.

According to Rogin, behind the scenes, Pence will ultimately help shape Trump’s foreign policy into the traditional style witnessed under Obama:

“Inside the White House, Pence is in the room during most of the president’s interactions with world leaders. He receives the presidential daily brief. As head of the transition, he was instrumental in bringing several traditionally hawkish Republicans into the top levels of the administration’s national security team, including Director of National Intelligence-designate Dan Coats, CIA Director Mike Pompeo and U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley.”

It was because of Pence that the U.S. decided to confront Russia and Syria at the U.N. over Syria’s alleged use of chemical weapons, despite everything Trump has previously said regarding resetting U.S. policy with regard to Syria and Russia. However, the true extent of Pence’s hold over Trump — and the true nature of the agenda he serves — can be seen in his role in ousting Flynn in the first place.

Rogin continues:

“The chief example was when Pence personally spoke to Trump about removing national security adviser Michael Flynn, who had lied to him about conversations with Russian officials during the transition.” [emphasis added]

Since this occurrence, Pence has reportedly taken up more of the role previously occupied by Flynn.

No matter what one makes of Trump — or his administration and the policies that have been initiated thus far — the fact remains that Trump won the U.S. election. The people working behind the scenes to oust him are not subject to democratic controls, nor are they working in the best interests of the American public. We are left to ask ourselves exactly how renewing relations with Russia –  a nuclear power –  could possibly endanger American lives.

Either way, we are more or less left with two paths ahead of us. The first path involves Trump giving in and adopting an anti-Russian agenda, as is already apparent in his decision to send more ground troops to Syria alongside Saudi troops, who will intentionally oppose the Syrian regime (a close ally of Russia). The second involves the possibility of another direct coup within the Trump administration, this time one that may ultimately force Trump out of the White House so he can be replaced by Mike Pence, a war hawk who will be more than happy to do the job Hillary Clinton wanted to do.

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Tallest Skil's picture

Mike "What's your mother's maiden name?" Pence has always bothered me. Trump may well be assassinated (or attempted). But something tells me that if he lives, he won't cuck out like Reagan did.

HRClinton's picture

Well, DUH!  How long have I said that Dense Pence is the Grey Mouse that squirted up the middle? 

He's a Neocon plant, all the way. He's just slap happy to be where he is, biding his time for his next promotion.

Lumberjack's picture

My guess is it could be a reverse of the McKinley/ Roosevelt situation in a worst case scenario. Need to do more research but other matters have my undivided attention at the moment.

Croesus's picture

@ HRClinton:

100% agree. He strikes me as the typical military contractor that lives around here (south-central PA) - looks, sounds, and acts just like them.

They NEED a war...

xythras's picture
xythras (not verified) Croesus Mar 10, 2017 6:19 PM

After what he did in Europe talking with no mandate from Trump, I see him as a rat. No wonder DemocRATS love him:

Poll Reveals Democrats Prefer Pence Over Trump


They already started to play Trump, on Syria issue for ex.

Croesus's picture


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kavlar's picture
kavlar (not verified) Croesus Mar 10, 2017 10:34 PM

Trump chose Pence. Therefore, the onus is on Trump.

strannick's picture

Alex Jones and some supposed CIA guy said Pense took out Flynn, because Flynn and Flynns son were big anti-PizzaGate guys. The CIA guy said Flynn was going to expose a Pedo friend of Pense's and that would lead to embarrassment, so Pense took him out.

In Trumps address to Congress with Pense and Ryan standing behind him, nodding and smiling, I saw Brutus and Cassius waiting for their chance.

Jubal Early's picture

"Trump chose Pence."

I am still waiting ro find out who is really backing Trump.  Even he isn't so arrogant that he can take on the entire planet's deep state on his own.  So he clearly has some powerful backers who are still standing in the shadows.  It is they who told Trump to choose Pence, who reeks of deep state swamp.

flicker life's picture
flicker life (not verified) Jubal Early Mar 11, 2017 7:30 AM

I'm making over $7k a month working part time. I kept hearing other people tell me how much money they can make online so I decided to look into it. Well, it was all true and has totally changed my life. This is what I do...

Jubal Early's picture

Doesn't your ass get sore and will you ever be able to create a solid stool again?  Or did they pay you to get a tattoo?

robertsgt40's picture

I wouldn't trust Pence or Ryan any further than I could piss.... and I'm a senior. 

caconhma's picture

Accordingly to CNN, Flynn has filled a disclosure that he is a paid foreign agent representing Turkey's interests in the USA. If it is true, the Trump's administration is a total disgrace and put the USA in a mortal danger.

It appears that Trump is a complete fraud besides being a buffoon and a liar. It is the time to see Trump's tax returns!

caconhma's picture

Accordingly to ABC, Flynn collected $566,000 from Turkey. How much did Flynn collected from Russia? Was Trump on a take too?

Giant Meteor's picture

According to "ABC" - well thats a problem, not the $566,000 Trump change, if true, I mean according to ABC.

Has it been verified yet by CNN? How bout MSNBC or CBS ...

Where does Don Lemmon come down on this?


Report back when you've totally confirmed with Big Bird and Elmo ...

Bendromeda Strain's picture

Hey shitheel, the article above that all you morons are drooling over reads thus: "As the Washington Post’s Josh Rogin observed", so don't hurt your back when you finally untwist. WaPo is the DEFINITION of Deep State.

Furthermore, to refresh the memories of you children, Pence was was one of the few critters who voted NO on TARP both times. He might be wrong about geopolitics, but you have to come with more than that before you can convince me he's a sellout.

Nexus789's picture

No one beats Hillary (and Bill) for being on the take.  

East Indian's picture

Perhaps a President who has taken millions from all over the world would have been beter, right?

Paul Kersey's picture

Pence could indeed be the NWO Establishment's Trojan Horse. Pence backed the TPP and voted for every neocon false-flag war. If Trump is standing in front of an open window, a few stories up, he should make sure that Mike is nont standing behind him.

"Pence, who previously represented Indiana’s 6th congressional district in the House of Representatives from 2001 to 2013, voted for a significant number of so-called free trade bills.

HR 3078 Trade Promotion Agreement with Colombia
HR 3079 Trade Promotion Agreement with Panama
HR 3080 Free Trade Agreement with Korea
HR 3688 United States-Peru Trade Agreement
HR 1830 Andean Trade Preference Act Extension
HR 5684 U.S.-Oman Free Trade Agreement Implementation
HR 3045 CAFTA Implementation Bill
HR 2738 U.S.-Chile Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
HR 2739 U.S.-Singapore Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
HR 3009 Andean Trade Preference Act Extension
HR 3005 Fast Track Trade Authority bill

CAFTA (Central American Free Trade Agreement) is basically an expansion of NAFTA, the Clinton-era trade bill that decimated the American workforce, terminating over 766,000 jobs. It is considered a stepping stone for the Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA). CAFTA was approved by Congress in July 2005 and was signed into law by George W. Bush on August. 2, 2005.

Fast Track Trade authority allows the president to negotiate international agreements that Congress can approve or deny but cannot amend or filibuster, thus reducing the input of the American people in the treaty process. It is unconstitutional because it provides unwarranted power to the executive. Under the Constitution—Article II, Section 2—Congress is supposed to write the laws and set trade policy, not the president.

Trump has stated that globalist trade deals are a bad deal for America."

BullyBearish's picture

"Always have  a christian zionist handy when you need to kill and steal in the name of God"


Do you really think pense and cohn were trump's picks?

Paul Kersey's picture

Speaking of Cohn and Pence:

"According to more than a half-dozen people inside the White House or dealing with it, the bitter fight has set a hardline group including senior adviser Steve Bannon and Trump trade adviser Peter Navarro against a faction led by Gary Cohn, the former Goldman Sachs executive who leads Mr Trump’s National Economic Council. At the centre of the debate is Mr Navarro, a firebrand economist who has angered Berlin and other European allies by accusing Germany of exploiting a “grossly undervalued” euro and calling for bilateral discussions with Angela Merkel’s government over ways to reduce the US trade deficit with Europe’s most powerful economy. The officials and people dealing with the White House said Mr Navarro appeared to be losing influence in recent weeks. But during the recent Oval Office fight, Mr Trump appeared to side with the economic nationalists, one official said.

The battle over trade is emblematic of a broader fight on economic policy within the Trump’s administration. It comes ahead of a visit to Washington next week by Ms Merkel, the German chancellor, and amid preparations for a meeting of G20 finance ministers in Germany next week at which allies’ concerns over protectionism are likely to be high on the agenda."

The central planners's picture

That happens when you pick up the worst War and financial hawkish people to sorround you. Very stupid the Donald.

J. Peasemold Gruntfuttock's picture

Ann Nancy Jane (Cawley)

'His maternal grandmother was Mary Elizabeth Maloney (the daughter of James Michael Maloney and Mary Anne/Ann Downes/Downs). Mary Elizabeth was born in Illinois, to Irish parents, from Doonbeg, Co Clare. James was the son of Michael Moloney and Anne Carney. Mary Anne was the daughter of John Downes/Downs and Eliza'.

Fascinating no doubt. Yawn. I'll just put the kettle on.

Far more interesting however is how long D. Trump will tolerate the cuckoo in the White House nest.

Yet another useful idiot with a law degree and enough machiavelli to be dangerous.

My advice to D. Trump is to have your tailor add a little kevlar to the back panel of your suit jackets.

And maybe to the obscenely long ties as well to protect the 'wedding tackle' from 'presidential emasculation by razor' moves.


J. Peasemold Gruntfuttock

bobsmith5's picture

Short of assassination this is not going to happen.  There is no legal grounds, no moral grounds, no proceedural grounds upon which to start any process of impeachment.  That is pure fantasy land thinking by too many what used to be democrats and liberals.  Now they are all communist socialist of one kind or another often called progressive when there is nothing progressive about them, nothing democratic, and certainly nothing liberal about them, if you define all these terms the wayJefferson did, who was the real democratic liberal progressive.  But these authoritarian socialist have stolen most of the vocabulary which used to describe a government of, by, and for the people and the liberty and freedom it created so that they could be liberal in their thinking and in thier treatment of thier fellow patriots.  Political correctness is a pure socialist communist thought control enforcement process which is about as far as you can get from liberty, liberal, or freedom.

Laddie's picture

Yes absolutely Pence is (((THEIR))) insurance policy along with Soros pal Jared Kushner.

Soros backed Trump son-in-law, Jared Kushner, in real estate venture with $250 million

Dr Duke had British author and activist Mark Collett as his guest for the hour. Mr. Collett’s new book, The Fall of Western Man (which is available FREE here)
They discuss the HATRED of the Deep State for Donald Trump and the Deep State in UK
Interview Feb 17 2017 (AUDIO)

Paul Ryan Obamacare and the Jewish Supremacist Deep State March 9 2017 (AUDIO)

The media is an arm of the Deep State...
The Atlantic’s Luke O’Brien Launches Campaign of Harassment to Shut Down Speech of Political Activist

George Lincoln Rockwell, Brown University 1965 He was a decorated, WWII & KOREA US NAVAL COMMANDER, he was assassinated in 1967 (AUDIO)

Called Commander Rockwell's Greatest Speech, delivered at University in Minnesota (AUDIO)

Giant Meteor's picture

Shit, I figure if anyone musses up his hair, it'll be night of the long knives, minimum.

Bigly's picture


Pence is scary and no Trump

adanata's picture


Dear RNC, We know almost all of you are corrupt, treasonous, liars and thieves. We apologize for being so blunt but you don't seem to be listening. We The People voted a landslide for Trump. We know he won the popular vote and the "Diebold vote" is being used to ramp up hostility for the propagandized Hilda supporters. You are making more money than you ever have ... because of Trump. You control the congress and executive... because of Trump. We understand the reality of what is happening. We are watching. If anything happens to Trump, Pence will not be acceptable to the People; no one will be acceptable to the People....there will be a revolution. I don't think the people will be shooting each other. I believe they will be coming for you.

Due North's picture

The Deep State has more insurance Claymores than the Japanese had pillboxes on Iwo Jima. And likewise it will not be easy or pretty engaging and decommissioning.

Hongcha's picture

I like his stance on guns so I kinda like the guy as my ability to defend without government interference is very, very important to me.

But I don't trust him.

The central planners's picture

If he provokes Russian and they try to nuke your family those guns wont help you too much.

Herodotus's picture

Pence needs to preside over the Senate and nothing more.  He shouldn't bother attending cabinet meetings either.

HRClinton's picture

Yes he should. But he's been very devious at making himself into a Co-President.

Dick Cheney approves.

fbazzrea's picture

Pence needs to preside over the Senate and nothing more.

you're right... that would be good cover for Trump, too. 

Donald: "Mike, I need you to be my pointman in the Senate to get my legislation passed. I'm counting on you. We'll talk in a month."

Ms No's picture

He should make him water his plants in the lobby of Trump tower.

Giant Meteor's picture

He'd probably do it too ..

Mzhen's picture

According to Jones, Flynn resigned in disgust after having been piled on by Pence and whoever else was in the room.  This was before Trump even knew about it.  Afterwards, Pence smugly said he supported the President's decision.  So yeah, Pence is sneaky.  But this was right after the briefing contrived by Sally Yates and Clapper and Brennan.  The three marched over with hair on fire and met with, I think, Pence to tell him Flynn was vulnerable to blackmail.  (Since been proven to be untrue.)  So is Pence more sneaky or more naive -- falling for the Sally Yates bait.

OLD-Pipe's picture

Dense Pence = the New Dick Cheney.  Pence has his hand so far up Trumps ass, no one can tell whats going going to beleive what you hear and read, or your lying eye's...... drain the swamp?  oh pleeezzz..... Trump is a graduate of the P.T. Barnum & Bailey college of Certified Carpet Baggers. 

Meet the new Administration, same as the old Administration.

Yen Cross's picture

  What a stupid article. JFC~~~

Giant Meteor's picture

You actually read this one? And leave Jesus out of this! ;)

detached.amusement's picture

yeah, we're discussing reality, not jewplant stories intended to convert & harness the goyim

heresy101's picture

To ask the question, is to answer it. Yes!!

OCnStiggs's picture

In the words of Groundskeeper Willie, "EATSSS CRRRRRRAP!"

Another article trying to suggest "cracks" in the Trump White House where there are none.
Long on rumor and bad inference while offering not a single good piece of news.

Another attempt at "fake news."

alibi's picture

It might well be fake news. But it's EXACTLY how I've felt since Flynn got tossed because he hurt Pence"s feelings.

Ms No's picture

Just like Reagan and Bush I the Zionist pederast.  I was never a Reagan worshipper but he didn't seem to be anywhere near as malevolent as Bush the ex-CIA hack/Prescott's kid.  I think they did something to Ronald too.  Things got much worse once Ron was hidden and the lineage of the Shrub was holding the pen.


yttirum's picture

Pence twinches like a mother fucker whenever he is asked about Flynn. It is the only question i've seen him flail around on. I never trusted Pence from the git go, and I can't believe Trump doesn't see it either, so hopefully he's got something on the back burner to deal with him.

shovelhead's picture

Flynn might be more useful as a back channel to Putin than he could be on the books.