As Millions Of Venezuelans Try To Flee The Country They Run Into A Problem

Tyler Durden's picture

While shortages of basic foods, medicines, and toilet paper may be a major societal problem, the people of Venezuela face an even more existential problem: the nation now lacks the materials to meet the soaring demand for new passports – making it almost impossible to leave the socialist utopia.

"People used to move to Venezuela from all over the Americas, Europe and Asia and now they are all trying to leave," Sonia Schott, the former Washington, D.C., correspondent for Venezuelan news network Globovisión, told Fox News.

While estimates of how many passport requests the socialist government received last year vary from between 1.8 million to 3 million, only 300,000 of the elusive documents were doled out.

 

Everyday, hundreds of people line up outside the passport agency, known as Saime, in the capital of Caracas in the hopes of obtaining one.

 

It’s an ironic, and yet sad situation, for a country that used to be one of Latin America’s wealthiest and one that was used to seeing people flock to, not away from.

Tomás Páez – author of “The Voice of the Venezuelan Diaspora” – told Bloomberg that since Chávez took power in 1999 nearly 2 million Venezuelans have fled the country and hundreds of thousands are marking their time until they obtains the funds and the passport that will allow them to leave.

Maduro has acknowledged the issue of the chronic shortages in passports and last week launched a new “online” option that will rush a passport to customers within 72 hours for about double the price of waiting in line. The website, however, has crashed numerous times and it is unclear how many passports have been expedited through this process. Saime has stated that the backup in processing passport applications is because the agency lacks enough “materials,” but did not specify what that means. Observers say that while the government may not be able to afford the paper to make the passport. Paper products in the country, including toilet paper, are in short supply in Venezuela. But skeptics think the Maduro government may also be trying to keep people from leaving the beleaguered nation.

“People with the means to get out want to, but the problem is you need a passport and you can’t get it,” Cynthia Arnson, the director of the Latin American Program at the Woodrow Wilson Center told Fox News.

 

“It’s kind of an excuse by the Venezuelan government that they don’t have materials, because they know the real reason people want a passport is to leave the country.”

Most of Venezuela’s 30 million resident, however, don’t have that kind of money as the monthly minimum wage in the country comes to less than $30 a month on the black market.

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Mini-Me's picture

Ain't socialism grand?

Hey, I've got a great idea.  Let's try it in America!  What could go wrong?

NidStyles's picture

So let me get this right, when the international banking cartel targets your country for depression and debt, it's socialism?

Escrava Isaura's picture

I found this post very telling.

Ozgur Zeren: Its because of this:

"Make the Economy Scream": Secret Documents Show Nixon, Kissinger Role Backing 1973 Chile Coup

This is the ages old destabilization method u.s. military-industry complex uses.

Venezuela kicked out us oil companies. Then started the war against venezuela.

Since a long time the business elite in venezuela are cooperating with us state department to depose chavez and his allies. They had done a coup before, which floundered. Then they started implementing 'protests' and tried to stage a 'color revolution' (like the ones us state dept did in many countries recently) to depose them.

A part of it is collaborating with us state dept and economic interests to strangle venezuelan economy, or make it look like its failing.

Police in venezuela busts on average 2 warehouses a month, stocked with goods which are never sold. The opposition acquires and hoards these goods to create scarcity in the country.

http://www.telesurtv.net/english...

From thence comes the 'lack of toilet paper in venezuela'. Toilet paper is especially hoarded to create scarcity so they will be able to say 'you cant even get toilet paper' to public to use as a propaganda means. However you look at it, no matter how high markup you put on toilet paper in black market, you still cant get much profit compared to anything else. so it doesnt make sense at all to try to hoard it. But they do. For the reason mentioned.

This is not new, this is not unusual. This is how us. tries to subdue countries which kick out its corporations. Like Cuba, which is kept under a totally illegal trade blockade directly by usa, and indirectly by us pressure on other countries to prevent them from trading with Cuba.

Seems a lot of foolish individuals in the west buy the nonsense. Along with the bullshit that is sold as in 'chavez/maduro/etc is a dictator'. Just like how they sold Iraq war, libya, syria, and many others.

Look how many people in this thread are showing 'lack of toilet paper' as a 'failure of socialism' without knowing anything about neither venezuela, nor socialism. 1/10 of them wouldnt even be able to properly define socialism, yet they have strong opinions.

Chavez became a 'dictator' the moment he tried to tax us oil companies doing business in venezuela. The sharp and sudden change in language in western press against him is unbelievable and it coincides with that exact moment in history.

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Venezuelas-economy-in-such-a-bad-shape-2015/answer/Ozgur-Zeren

 

tmosley's picture

Passports are an invention of big government. They hardly existed prior to the mid 1800's, and then they were used to allow passage into individual cities, not to halt people at national borders. People could leave the passports behind and get letters of reccomendation/introduction if they wanted into this city or that.

When the Germans started creating welfare programs is when they started closing the borders. Prior to that, there was no reason to go to a new land unless you had fire in your belly to get something productive done.

greenskeeper carl's picture

Well, apparently we need to let them all in, too. They are "fleeing poverty" afterall.....

LowerSlowerDelaware_LSD's picture

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BTW - being a self up voting moron does not bode well for your "articles" spam.

Montani Semper Liberi's picture

xythras doesn't look at or care about replies. He drops his cut and paste bullshit, has his associates and relatives instantly upvote him, and moves on. Maybe I've missed it, but I've never seen him defend his posts or shit site. He knows he would get pounded if he tried.

 There must be some people here that are stupid or naive enough to click on his links. Why else would he bother?

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Implied Violins's picture

At least this guy is an honest spammer.

dchang0's picture

If they're the type of people who will really do what it takes to get out of poverty, i.e. work their asses off, then we would want them in our country, passports or not.

But alas, the people who come here often do so to either mooch off of our too-generous welfare system or commit organized crimes (drug cartel smuggling/human trafficking). We don't want that type of person and shoud keep them out.

froze25's picture

Lithuania openly says they will take Refugees (no limit) but they offer zero welfare or benifits other then assistance with job placement. They have had 14, that's right 14 in total refugees come. 

Jubal Early's picture

My guess is that the tribe is behind the push for passports as they are behind the UN, WB, IMS, BIS, etc.

Americans are now starting to be biometrically scanned at the exit at the border and a recent law allows passports to be revoked for unpaid IRS bills. Millenials with University, Obamaceare and IRS debts are going to learn what their cavalier attitude to individual and constitutional rights have cost all of us. 

Chris Dakota's picture

I recall the guy that wrote the book  Crossing The Rubicon said he was going to move to Venezuala.

 

Duc888's picture

 

 

Never made it.  Decided to blow his brains out instead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ruppert

 

Scarlett's picture

By far the best choice.

BarkingCat's picture

Chavez was known as a wanna be dictator long before then.

It also was not taxing the oil companies that was the issue.

Chavez decided to force the foreign oil companies into partnerships, which meant they would give up huge chunk of their equity.

They declined and decided to leave instead.

Chavez was an idiot. Instead of investing the income stream from the oil industry during the good times he blew it on buying people's votes.

Venezuela is a country that could be self sufficient no matter what international bankers and other countries try to do.

Troy Ounce's picture

 

Can be, but Escrava has a point. The US is a master at destabilising countries. It is their folklore. 

Bendromeda Strain's picture

Everyone should know the history (Argo) of Iran by now. For sure Uncle Sam Inc. has secured its interests by any means necessary. However, Chavez was a buffoon who grossly enriched his criminal family, and destroyed industry through crony appointments of friends. If Cabana Boy wishes to ignore that than I think he should emigrate to Venezuela and offer to help the embattled bus driver hero Maduro.

PitBullsRule's picture

We had a trade embargo with Cuba because they kept that lunatic Castro in charge for a zillion years.  He was in bed with the Soviet Union and allowed them to park nuclear missiles 75 miles off our coast, they could have blown our asses to haydees in about 5 minutes.  If we turned right around and traded our corn for their cigars after they almost vaporized us, we would be the biggest pussies on the planet.  

You accuse the US of causing Venezuela's problems, like so many deplorables on this web site do, you always fault the US first, no matter what third world shit hole is in trouble, its always the US's fault.  And yet we have many people from Venezuela in the US.  They are a member of OPEC, with is a Cartel that continually fucks up the price of oil.  They are the wealthiest country in Latin America.  And their dictator hates the US, and continuosly says bad things about us.  

So, fuck you and the horse you rode in on "Isaura", you socialist, dipshit, mother fucker.

Joe Mama 3's picture

The ones here from Venezuela are no different than the ones frrom any other country that you can't walk here from, starry eyed, apple, starbucks wannabe yuppie scum, a lot of decendants of upper class families in their home countries, and plenty got rich from exploiting the poor of said home country. and about cuba, you're a stupid fuck if you dont realize Bush, Jfk, mafia hotels, cia, etc did'nt have more to do than just castro by himself, dole bananas and pepsi sugar cane had a lot to do with the embargo. "they" didnt keep castro in charge, a police state did, but you probably knew that anyway dumb bitch

Advoc8tr's picture

The hubris of you Yanks and what seems like a genetic inability to recognize the palpable hypocrisy of almost every expressed justification for war in your history is astounding.

You have nukes, armies, missiles, secret bases and aircraft carriers parked less than 75 miles from every fucking country on earth !

From Castro's point of view he was countering the infinite weapons you had pointed at him from less than 75 miles away ?

We have a secret US base in our country that even our own prime minister has trouble gaining access to. Your governments bully boy tactics are offensive to even your closet allies.

Escrava Isaura's picture

PitBullsRule,

 I would highly recommend that you do some research before commenting. Castro was a nationalist, not much different than most conservatives in America. Castro hated the communists and capitalists. He even put some communists in jail.

America problem with Cuba goes back to 1820’s when the US tried to conquer Cuba and the British fleet stopped it. US try to conquer Canada twice as well, but again, the British stopped it.

The reason that Castro aligned with Russia was Kennedy trying to kill him twice as well as to try to stop US destroying the island.

The conservative blind spot is their selective mind. They grasp the deep state power but, in Central and South America, it’s all the native faults.

I understand that the propaganda in the US is the best of the world to the point that 99 percent of Americans believe the fake news that Russia is a socialistic state when in fact Germany is more socialist than Russia has ever been.

Anyway, if you have been blogging for the last, say three years, you should have connected these dots by now. If you can’t, it shows that you’re heavily indoctrinated.

 

nmewn's picture

Communists/socialists and their propensity for revisionist history.

Castro was a nationalist only in the sense that he desired to be the dictator of a communist regime and he betrayed the loyalties of anyone who helped him get there who was not a communist and even some who were.

William Morgan was one of those men who was NOT a communist. Morgan hated the dictator Batista as much as anyone else. He fought beside your boi Che Guevara leading his own column holding the rank of commandante capturing Santa Clara, Batista fled the country hours later. Even after Castro was in power Morgan protected him, uncovering a plot by Trujillo of the Dominican Republic to overthrow Castro. 

Then Castro began to reveal himself and his ideology by refusing to hold elections. Morgan and others who helped Castro defeat one dictator now recognized he would be one himself under the communist banner, he was "arrested", given a mockery show trial in a Castro kangaroo court and shot by firing squad on March 11 1961. His wife (who served 10yrs in a Cuban prison and who also fought against Batista) admitted later that they were running guns to anti-Castro guerrilla's who ALSO SAW what Castro was revealing himself to be.

Nationalism...lol...what fucking a crock, as if one cannot be a communist and a nationalist at the same time. Hitler was a "nationalist" in the same sense that Mao was, a nationalist under any ideology is not mutually exclusive thing to the ideological way of running a country. 

In the case of Venezuela and Cuba it is obvious it was the IDEOLOGY that ran them straight into the ground not "nationalism" and no amount of leftwing revisionist history or hand wringing over yet another failed Marxist attempt at centralized top-down utopian bureaucratic parceling out of the benefits of production while skimming off the top is going to change it.

css1971's picture

Communism is traditionally internationalist... Always amusing when they start fightng each other over national borders.

What's even more amusing is they all switch to outright fascism as the communist/marxist ideas fail. Mussolini, not Marx is the true socialist genius.

Escrava Isaura's picture

nmewn: Venezuela and Cuba it is obvious it was the IDEOLOGY

You let your indoctrination biases blinds you.

Castro was a revolutionary and socialist. William Morgan was an opportunist and capitalist. Morgan was to the right of Castro. Morgan saw the revolution as a coup d’état . Morgan embraced the band of socialism as an opportunity to, once in power, to shift Cuba’s central “agrarian” planned economy to  a free market economy. Castro, as a socialist, would have none of that.

The reason that 99 percent of Americans believe Castro was a communist it’s because of US propaganda. Castro was a socialist. Socialism and communism contradict each other.

Now on election, if wasn’t for US intervention in Cuba, Castro would have won the election in Cuba by a landslide.

I had a link, that is below, about Kennedy’s declassified documents to overthrow Castro. It was very telling, but is no longer there. So I can’t supply you now. Rain check. But you can see the one about Brazil below it.

http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/search.html

http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB465/

 

Bendromeda Strain's picture

Now Pol Pot, there's a guy who knew what he was doing until the Americans...

truthseeker47's picture

Escrava is a perfect example of how cognitive dissonance cannot be self-recognised.  Socialism and communism contradict each other?  Very funny.  Here is a quote from someone who actually knows something about those subjects:  "The goal of socialism is communism"  ~ V. Lenin

Escrava Isaura's picture

Lenin and Trotsky were state capitalist bolshevists. Bolshevists were to the right of Marxists which were anti state.

Bolsheviks used the socialist agenda to grab power, but their ideology were of a right wing opportunists. Give you and example. Lenin: “It is necessary to be able to withstand all this, to agree to any and every sacrifice, and even—if need be—to resort to all sorts of stratagems, manoeuvres and illegal methods, to evasion and subterfuges in order to penetrate the trade unions, to remain in them, and to carry on Communist work in them at all costs.” Left-Wing' Communism, An Infantile Disorder, by Vladimir Lenin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22Left-Wing%22_Communism:_An_Infantile_Disorder 

Get this over your head: Communism is super-capitalism.

Now, about the confusion:

The worker's movement--the socialist movement--sort of broke into 2 branches, one statist, one anti-statist. The statist branch led to Bolshevism and Lenin and Trotsky and so on; the anti-statist branch, which included left-Marxists like Rosa Luxemburg, kind of merged with a big strain of anarchism into what was called 'libertarian socialism.' So 'libertarian' in Europe always meant 'socialist.' Here, it means ultra-Ayn Rand or Cato Institute or something like that. But that's a special US usage having to do with the--there are a lot of things special here."  Noam Chomsky

 

Not My Real Name's picture

"The worker's movement--the socialist movement--sort of broke into 2 branches, one statist, one anti-statist. The statist branch led to Bolshevism and Lenin and Trotsky and so on; the anti-statist branch ... blah blah blah Libertarian Socialism blah blah blah ..."

That's it Escrava ... keep obfuscating and confusing the clueless masses with your worthless semantic games. That's how the left operates.

The truth is, socialism and communism both require statism to "work" -- by definition, they both depend upon the forced redistribution of wealth -- often at the point of a gun. 

nmewn's picture

More revisionist history and your communist skirt is beginning to show again Escrava.

After revolution elections were not permitted by Castro because of US intervention?...lol...Morgan was arrested, kangaroo-courted and SHOT before the Bay of Pigs even happened and exactly what part of Morgan DEFENDING Castro yet again against a coup attempt from neighboring dictator Trujillo are you not getting into your thick fucked up socialist-communist-revisionist timeline skull?

It was ONLY AFTER he recognized that Castro would become a communist dictator AND NOT hold elections (which Castro would have probably won...at THAT time) that he turned against him and for that he was murdered...legally...by "communist standards" but a dead friend, compatriot and man-at-arms in service to Castro achieving power (by Castro's deception) none the less.

css1971's picture

Your opinion is so discredited, so predictable that it's now a meme.

A joke.

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/193/128/993.gif

 

East Indian's picture

Your leaders went ahead and first put missiles in Turkey, missiles that can nuke Moscow in no time; they (USSR) retaliated, and put their nukes in Cuba; your leaders blinked first, and removed their missiles from Turkey, and also convinced your forefathers that Kurushchev blinked first... and I too fell for that. 

Richard Chesler's picture

As a former member of the so called venezuelan business elite or more properly, white venezuelan person, I can tell you one thing: you're full of shit.

 

ATM's picture

Ah yes the immortal cry of the failed central planners. "It is the hoarders!"

Did you ever think that the reason the warehouses have goods is because the producers cannot afford to sell the goods at the central planners prices which guarantee bankruptcy?

Fucking fools like you are the reason we have to endure tese same failed states over and over again.

Escrava Isaura's picture

Listen, I understand that we all have biases. And that we are heavily propagandized to a point that many can’t tell the difference between a dog and a cat.

What I find ironic, but not surprising, that even after 20 years of internet, is that the conservatives think that the US life standards acquired late 50’s and in the 60’s was a by-product of free-market capitalism, but, which was in fact, lots of money printing to the point that the US run out of gold in 1971.

Now the conservatives are complaining about money printing, go figure.

You can’t sell, can’t have capitalism without capital, idiot.

If people are not spending, it’s because they don’t have capital. And, if you can’t sell, you won’t have it either.

That’s the flaw of capitalism, the money has to grow exponentially, you like it or not.

 

Bendromeda Strain's picture

That is not the flaw of capitalism, that is the flaw of allowing money changers to create currency. Here's a clue - that isn't money that is exponentially growing - it is debt. Under the present system, they are synonymous, but the present system is a funhouse mirror representation of capitalism. Even this fraudulent system survives longer than a Marxist state because of its tenuous ties to the natural order of things. Enlightened self interest is real, and charity works much better when it isn't performed at gunpoint.

css1971's picture

Always someone else's fault. Counter revolutionaries etc. Never the idea itself, despite repeated failures all over the world it's Never Real Socialism...

You are a religious zealot. The state is your god, your religion.

golden kafir's picture

http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/10/iron-fisted-socialism-benefited-hugo-c...
chavez's daughter is the richest person in the country, this tells me all i need to know about chavez brand of socialism. yeah sure blame the us, when it's obvious that corruption is the real culprit.

peddling-fiction's picture

Lewin (Lewinsky) = Levin = Levitical priests.

Fuck you xythras ovi of barcelona.

Wanna push Croesus to publish his paydirt?

Capon? Or somebody's troll bitch.

xythras's picture

FAIL. Lewin is her Swedish husband's name.

Maiden Name Peñaloza.

But at least you tried. You failed miserably like Croesus with his "PI" work (only thing he got right was my post on StormF when looking for aryan girls in a certain European city)

What else you two masterminds got?

peddling-fiction's picture

Capon, Girl Hunter, fuckup de jour, you have been destroyed.

You can think positively but you have been destroyed.

HRH Feant's picture

My money is on Croeseus for the win.

Bendromeda Strain's picture

Wrong. The Levitical priesthood was the kohen (Cohen). Nice try though.

peddling-fiction's picture

Both had religious functions and duties.

nmewn's picture

I think it was the whole fatigue wearing, constant socialist revolution nationalizing industries/utlities/press while enriching your family members & cronies that sorta gave it away. 

SWRichmond's picture

OT (but interested in feedback): Vault 7 constitutes "reasonable doubt" for any computer crime (except those you admit, like running a private email server for government secret comms).

Has anyone made this observation anywhere?

peddling-fiction's picture

I have SW. On ZH.

I am also an IT entreprenuer with 20+ years experience.

SWRichmond's picture

I work on IT also, and have been thrown out of a jury pool (computer case) because I told the judge I did computer security and forensics.  The prosecutor just about had a stroke.  

Anyone can be made to look like they did anything, and the US government just confirmed it.

GOOJF card.  Can't wait for the appeals to start.  Tie up federal courts for a long time.

This also means that enforcement will become even more lax (is that possible?) since you won't be able to convict anyone anymore.