Is Denmark On The Brink?

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Authored by Erico Matias Tavares via Sinclair & Co.,

Iben Thranholm examines political and social events with focus on their religious aspects, significance and moral implications. She is one of Denmark’s most widely read columnists on such matters. Thranholm is a former editor and radio host at the Danish Broadcasting Corporation (DR), at which she created a religious news program that set a new standard for religious analysis in the newsroom. She has traveled extensively in the Middle East, Italy, the United States and Russia to carry out research and interviews. She has been awarded for her investigative research into Danish media coverage of religious issues.

 

E Tavares: Iben, thank you for being with us today. Over a year ago we talked to Dr. Tino Sanandaji, an economics professor at a leading Swedish university, on the inconsistencies of Swedish immigration policies. The resulting post was hit, revealing a significant interest for this topic. 

In a sense Sweden is the canary in the coalmine of Europe’s demographic future, since they have been at the forefront of this transformation and openly embrace it. Being a close neighbor we would like to get your views on what is happening there, as well as in Denmark. How do the Danes look at Sweden, with hope or apprehension? 

I Tranholm: With absolute horror! 

The Swedish media, which is quite pro-government and its leftwing policies, does not always report the full extent of the problems in their society. So it is hard to have a very accurate picture of what is going on. But we in Denmark have a good sense. We are very aware of the murders, rapes, riots, violence and the hand grenades that go on there. This does not often make the news but we know it is going on. And we don’t want to go down the same route. 

This is the result of decades of policies promoting multiculturalism in Sweden. And what is left is this hollow house. You know, in the Bible it is said that if a house is left swept, tidied and unoccupied it eventually it will be taken over by evil. And I fear that this is what is happening in Sweden. Far from being a multicultural paradise, the problems can no longer remain hidden. 

ET: Indeed, even President Trump made some controversial comments about Sweden at a recent rally in the US, causing an international uproar, with many debates on whether he was right or wrong. Did this cause some discussion in Denmark as well?

IT: It wasn’t much of a discussion because we in Denmark know what is happening in Sweden. Malmo is very close so we only need to go there to see it with our own eyes. 

There was a TV ad partially paid by the Swedish government recommending that all Swedes integrate into this new multicultural society they are creating. Think about that. Even old Swedes now need to adjust to this new reality, instead of immigrants adapting to Swedish society. They call it “Det nya landet”, which means the new country. Traditional Sweden is gone.

ET: Swedes and Danes share many cultural traits. What explains this divergence in opinions? Is it because you do not face the same societal problems? 

IT: We are not as politically correct as the Swedes. So there is a lot of discussion here. (…) As such we have a greater awareness of our heritage and tend to be more protective of it.

Which is not to say we don’t have problems. We do. We face the same identity issues, and our traditions – in particular our Christian heritage – are fast disappearing from our society. That same hollowness is now becoming mainstream in Denmark. And this eliminates much of the arguments to defend ourselves against the importation of foreign values and customs, many of which are at odds with our own. Simply forbidding things will not change this reality. 

ET: And how has integration been? Seems to be going better than other European countries since we don’t hear much about “no-go” zones and riots in your country, unlike France and Sweden, for instance.

IT: We have those problems as well but because Denmark is a small country you won’t hear about them as much. 

We have this belief here that welfare is the solution for everything. No matter who comes here from whatever part of the world will get housing, work, entertainment and healthcare. The government will give those to you with the expectation that if you have all those things you will happily assimilate into Danish society, learn Danish and adapt to our culture. As a result we will become a vibrant multicultural society. 

The reality is quite different. The relativism that this multiculturalism engenders ends up putting different sides of society at odds with each other, especially when their values and beliefs are very different to begin with.

When immigrants come to Denmark they may be taken care of, but they have no dominant culture that they can assimilate into, certainly not in the religious sense. We are completely devoid of God. And as a result they end bringing elements of their culture and religion which often create friction, misunderstandings and also crime. So Danish society becomes more and more divided as a result. 

ET: Politicians seem to be getting the message. Your parliament recently passed legislation to ensure that immigration would never reach a level that would threaten Danish national identity. What do you make of this?

IT: We have a very divided society here as well, even without considering the waves of immigration that have recently settled here. 

Half of the population wants open borders, mass immigration and welfare for all. They reject traditional values and are very much in favor of globalism and multiculturalism. The other half is very much opposed to that, but they lack any persuasive arguments to support that position. All they can do is to forbid immigration, forbid women from wearing a head cloth and so on. 

We no longer have a moral compass. Before, Christianity provided this role, keeping us united over centuries. Now we can no longer distinguish between good and evil, and ultimately this is what this struggle comes down to. Without this any preventive measures like this are just quick fixes that will not solve anything over the longer term. What is needed is a positive alternative in a moral sense. 

ET: Is there any data or independent studies on the benefits and costs of immigration in Denmark? In Sweden for instance this topic is almost taboo, but there are many concerns in terms of finding good employment opportunities for immigrants, coming from the immigrants themselves in fact.

IT: With this new culture we have adopted in the West we stopped having enough children to support our welfare state. So yes, one argument is that we need more people to support it. 

In our own very secular society the state is God. It is supposed to provide and care for everybody. So the economic arguments become less relevant. Of course they are consideration since people are paying for these policies, but in a sense they are secondary.

ET: We are at the cusp of an automation wave that threatens to displace millions of workers across the developed world. This will raise even more concerns regarding mass immigration, which traditionally consists of lower skilled workers. Is there any discussion in Denmark about this?

IT: No. The only discussion is around the cultural aspect, namely the impact on our values and traditions. 

And in a sense this just shows how weak we are. For instance, there are only 250,000 Muslims in Denmark, so a tiny minority. And yet the majority of our political debates focusing on culture over the last ten years have largely revolved around Islam. That’s how weak our culture has become.

So while as an open society there is resistance to women having to cover themselves up, having separate swimming pools for men and women and so forth, we have lost the argument to combat these imported traditions largely because we have lost our Christian roots and values. So over time they will become more prevalent in our society. We are already seeing it.

ET: Secular Muslims may also lose out a result. Many cherish Western values but will increasingly find a native society that is at odds with them, as their own communities become more extremist. Many complain that the Islam in Denmark and other European countries is more hardcore or even radical than in their home countries.

IT: That is true. And again that is largely a result of this cultural hesitation in the societies that host them. As a result, those more aggressive forms gain more ground to the detriment of everyone, especially women. 

ET: Much of the developing world faces a difficult situation and undoubtedly the countries that can help should. Let’s face it, faulty Western foreign policies have made bad situations even worse across much of the Middle East, although other very important sectarian and ethnic conflicts play a large role as well. 

There are those who suggest that instead of opening the borders this help should be provided at the origin, which would be cheaper and thus could help many more people, would place refugees closer to their homes and avoid many of the social problems we are unfortunately seeing across Europe – caused by a minority to be sure, but still very problematic. What do Danish politicians think about this?

IT: That would be logical in many ways, but again the debate is not economical. People want to be perceived as doing good, meaning opening their communities, welcoming and caring for others. 

I would be in favor of that if we were talking about women and their children, even families. But the reality is different. The majority of people we have welcomed in recent years, especially following the migrant crisis, are fit young men. They bring their conflicts and their frustrations with them, creating a difficult environment for everyone. 

So yes, arguably it would be more efficient to provide care at the source but this is not how the debate is framed.

ET: Denmark is supposedly the happiest country on the planet. But you have little reason to be happy these days as you find yourself on the receiving end of government censorship, not only for expressing your concerns about the future of your country but also for working for a Russian news outlet. What happened here? You recently wrote a powerful piece about this, expressing your feelings not only as a woman who does not toe the party line but especially as a Christian. 

IT: In 2015 I wrote an article criticizing our politicians who for the most part hate Christianity but nevertheless use Christian values, especially charity and compassion, to promote their own agendas, in particular mass immigration. So I called them out on that.

A few months later I got a call from a politician here who told me that I was on a government blacklist, supposedly acting as a pro-Russian propagandist agent, despite having absolutely no evidence to that effect. I occasionally work for a Russian news outlet, but that’s simply my job as a journalist. 

Today, in a society where supposedly there is freedom of speech, if politicians want to silence their critics they simply accuse them of working for the Kremlin, or having some unexplained ties with Russia. That is what happened to me, and it also happening to high profile politicians and journalists in the US, France and Germany. If you don’t agree with the multicultural policies of Europe then you are labeled a Russian agent. Which is really a form of political or character assassination. 

They are so afraid of the rise of what leftist politicians in Europe call “populism”, which threaten the existence of their beloved European Union. And this year the stakes are very high with elections in France and Germany. So they resort to these kinds of tactics to quash any dissenters. 

So I find myself in a blacklist in a supposedly free country like Denmark, but if a conflict with Russia emerges I can end up in prison under the pretext of being a foreign agent. Again, with no proof and no judicial process. This is very much how totalitarian societies operate. First they put you on a list, then when there is a problem or a made-up reason they will come for you.

ET: You were only expressing views that are consistent with those of many conservatives on both sides of the Atlantic. There are certainly many people concerned about the future of Western societies. In many ways this evokes memories of the Soviet Union, and the great new society they tried to create, with the disastrous consequences we all know.

That is actually a very real and concerning comparison. After all, communism was a Western idea and it was imposed on Russia, they did not create it. And it did not die with the collapse of the Soviet Union. On the contrary, it is still very much alive and roaming around our continent. While it operates differently, the goals are not too dissimilar. The version we have spreading across the West is Cultural Marxism.

We no longer have families, religion, even genders. In Sweden now they have invented a gender neutral term to address little boys and girls at kindergarten. This is a complete change from traditional Western values that have kept Europe safe from outside invasion for centuries. And this is now gone. 

All this talk of multiculturalism and open borders sounds very nice, but in practice it has led to a progressive transformation of our societies, and as Sweden shows not for the better. Less freedoms, less safety, less cohesion; more crime, more fragmentation, more social problems. It really is a struggle of good versus evil, and we in the West can no longer distinguish between the two. I would even call it diabolical disorientation. 

ET: So how long you think before the Christian cross is removed from your flag? And how does the Danish monarchy, which is sworn to protect Danish culture and religion, feel about all of this?

IT: No European politician will stand up for Christianity. Nobody. Expect from perhaps Hungarian Prime Minister, Victor Orbán. 

There is this unholy alliance between the left and radical Islam. Many Europeans have such a disdain for their own traditions that they would prefer to see Christianity being eradicated even if it might cost their way of life and even personal freedoms in the end. 

We have this bizarre situation where Western feminists support women having to wear a head cloth, along with foregoing many of the rights they should be able to enjoy in our countries. And these women often get penalized by their own communities when they try to assimilate into our society, while the feminists stay quiet. It is all very multicultural and good.

ET: You know Russia well as part of your work. Can you contrast what is happening there relative to the transformation taking place across much of Western Europe?

Believe it or not, we have swapped lanes. Now it is Russia who is adopting Christianity as the West gets rid of it by any means possible. 

Christianity runs very deep in Russia: in their literature, in their arts, in their culture. When the Soviets brutally tried to suppress it, at the cost of countless lives, it survived underground. People still celebrated it in secrecy, performing baptisms and the like behind closed doors. 

President Putin recently inaugurated an enormous statue of St. Vladimir, the patron saint of the Russian Orthodox Church, about 100 yards from the Kremlin walls. If you stand at a certain point across the street from the Kremlin, the cross that he bears is even taller than the star in the Red Square, so the symbolism is very potent. 

In the West, as we discussed, we are going the other way. We can’t discard our values and heritage fast enough. 

ET: There was a 2014 Russian movie, Leviathan, which alluded to this transformation. However it put Orthodox Christianity in a less positive light, essentially being used as an ideological argument to justify the power of the oligarchs in society. President Putin is certainly no saint. Isn’t this all just superficial?

IT: There are people in Russia who are also opposed to their own traditional values and who want a more Westernized Russia. I have not seen that movie so I can’t say if the director supports that view or not. 

People need to go to Russia and see it for themselves. President Putin is only responding to what is happening there and he respects the Russian people’s faith in Orthodoxy.

This is one of the reasons why I believe the West hate the Russians so much. They cannot tolerate the thought of having a resurgent and powerful Christian Russia who openly rejects their Cultural Marxism. And accordingly they demonized it in much of our media and political circles.

ET: So, is Denmark on the brink? Indeed, is the rest of Europe on the brink?

IT: Yes, Denmark is on the brink. And Europe is on the brink. We completely lost our culture, our values and our moral compass. What used to be good is now evil and vice-versa. 

You mentioned Denmark being the happiest country in the world but I am not sure that is true. We have high alcohol consumption and about half a million people on happy pills for a reason. 

Channel 1, our main TV channel here, recently aired a documentary on three Danish girls who converted to Islam out of their own will, not because they got married or anything like that. They all had the same background, coming from broken homes, dealing with alcoholism and so forth – basically part of the legacy of the 1968 revolution we had across Europe. What these girls lacked was structure, and they found it in Islam because it regulates all aspects of your life: how you dress, what you eat, with whom you can socialize with, how to pray, how to interact as a wife and so on. 

That is what the right-wing parties in Europe don’t understand. This is a spiritual battle. There is no political freedom without spiritual freedom. If you go around just forbidding things, like don’t wear the head cloth and so forth, it will not work. Our civilization will gradually disappear.

The only thing that can save Europe right now is a true spiritual, dare I say Christian, revival across the Continent. This played a significant role in the demise of communism in the Soviet Union and East Germany. The churches there provided hidden venues for people to congregate, express ideas and share their faith and hardships.

Since its inception Christianity was always about fighting evil with love, prayer and faith because these three are the key to freedom. And these are the values that the radical left and radical Islam do not tolerate, because of course both demand total obedience to the state and their conception of God, respectively. 

ET: Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts and your courage. You deserve to be in the cover of a magazine, not on some government blacklist. Wish you all the best.

IT: Thank you.

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Zarbo's picture

You are aware of the prohibition of pictures of mohammed?  That prohibition extends to all likenesses of animals and humans.  Look at the distruction of ancient sites, art, and records of other people but islamicists.  That would occur with all western art that did not fit the random, delusional ravings of some religious judges.  

It is ironic that the Platonic scripts, and geometry/mathematics  were preserved in the Arab world during the dark ages -- then rediscovered by the west.  There is no appearance of that enlightenment today.  It is a giant pyramid scheme, with mullahs and other religious leaders at the top -- the same as "the church" in the west. The pope, cardinals, priests, and others are the same hierarchy, just a little more out of power today than ages past.

The geometric designs and tiles have religious signifigance, or they would not exist -- many are stylised Arabic script.  Do you see any images or carvings of any kind?  What a tragedy to not be able to express and enjoy.  The current branches of islam poison everything they touch.

Peterman333's picture

The "dark ages" are a historiccal myth, a ljewish/Luther/protestant anti-Catholic myth.

Zarbo's picture

The scholar Petrach invented the term in 1330, and the Lutherian/Protestant re-definition did not happen until about 200 years later.  The definition existed prior to hijacking during the reformation.  To avoid the negative interpretation, I'll change my usage to "middle ages".

Koba the Dread's picture

You mention great pyramid schemes. Egypt, the intellectual heartland of Islam, had great pyramid schemes 4,000 years ago.

IntTheLight's picture

Islam began in 600 AD. It wasn't around 4000 years ago.

BingoBoggins's picture

Nor climate change, apparently.

 

(god, that was lame. must - keep - thinking -)

True Blue's picture

According to that batshit crazy religion; even those old Masters' portraits are 'blasphemy' -which is why their only art for a thousand + years was geometric abstractions. Think they'll be allowed to remain on public display in the Rijksmuseum when the genocide is complete? Fight now, or accept the fact that your culture will be destroyed in totum and your children will be mentally and physically enslaved until the end of time itself.

Anyway, all these Norse countries need to ditch the corrupt religions that crawled from the middle-eastern deserts and recall their own Gods again.

BingoBoggins's picture

You are what you eat.

 

(good lord. I'm losing control. and a euphimism to boot. have I gone mad?)

August's picture

>>>They don't like it in the West, go back home! 

The MENA region (aka Dar al Islam) is facing an almost-immediate crisis: a large, growing population with woefully inadequate local food production.  

Europe will either choose its own cultural annihilation, or chose to stand apart as millions of MENA residents riot and die in-situ, when the regional oil revenue ultimately fails to purchase adequate food supplies.

I speculate that in the long term only eastern Europe has a shot at remaining recognizeably "European".  As for Sweden et al, the toothpaste will not be going back into the tube. Say good-bye, Sven and Hildur.

LA_Goldbug's picture

"in the long term only eastern Europe "

It is poorer, has a colder climate and a welfare system that gives little. However they are being flooded with Ukrainians (certain segment) who are a different version of Islam !!!

http://fpif.org/seven-decades-nazi-collaboration-americas-dirty-little-u...

The problem most often is not the majority but the violent nature minority that takes the rest of the sheep to the slaughter. Ukraine has such a minority. As there is no such thing as an American ( Indians can call themselves such) so is there no such thing as a Ukrainian. These are "cultural terrorist" labels to confuse.

LA_Goldbug's picture

"They don't like it in the West, go back home!"

This NEEDS to be said to the the politicians WHO MAKE THE LAWS. That is how they are chaining the people, by "law" with a small small letter "l".

turkey george palmer's picture

A Christian revival??? Hahahahaha there's a joke. What morality do you think exists in the organized church. None. They stand by and suck the teat of government while the population gets screwed at every turn. No word of opposition to anything. 

Peterman333's picture

Churchmen are this way yes, unfortunately but the men of the Church, the everyday rank and file, those guys still very much have the faith at least the ones that I see every Sunday. The ones that don't come to church? Well, they're not really men of the church are they? So it's a small number indeed that will have to set things a right.

lakecity55's picture

The Revival has to be a personal, spiritual one, not modeled on a dogma from a Church, imo.
Jesus did not have a church. He just preached Good News. You could follow Him w/o a bunch of priests.
As I recall, the only time he got near a bunch of priests, he ran money-changers off and condemned the priests.
"Zeal for His Father's House will be his undoing."

 

just the tip's picture

they were probably at his show trial.

silvercity's picture

His Father's house was not the temple. God does not dwell in houses made by men, but rather God dwells in His people, His  congregation. Church was what the pagan emporeor Constintine insisted the congregations of God be called so that the congegations would be rooted to the earth by that building and thus be under the empereor's control. King James did the same for the autherized version. Autherized by whom? Certainly not God. The root word from which the word church is derived does not exist in the original autographs of the Bible, not from Genesis 1:1 thru Revelations. The non corrupt translation that is rendered church would be congegation. People loyal to the church, no matter which church, have a master which they put before Jesus Christ. If they love the church, they will despise Jesus.

UmbilicalMosqueSweeper's picture

Problem is, God needs more money. Please donate, get on your knees, and kiss my gold ring.

LA_Goldbug's picture

Without the "House" they can't make money on you. "god" needs constant building and a stream of cash flow to "his" bank account.

BingoBoggins's picture

Good News. NewSpeak ... ?

 

Sorry, man, I apologise. I was on a roll of sardonic wit, trolling from the start, to here ... give me three steps, mister, I'll just ease on out the back door.

Zarbo's picture

I would not suggest a "christian revival".  Only the avoidance of losing the freedom to choose your own path.  I am well aware of the repression of the churches and would avoid that to the extent possible.  It might be necessary to renounce all religions, period.

Faeriedust's picture

There are plenty of perfectly good religions out there.  I'm rather partial to Zoroastrianism myself.  Although it gets a bit wonky on the "purity" issue.  Still, a good shaman never needlessly makes enemies in the Spirit World.  My father went to his pyre wearing his Thor's Hammer AND his little gold Buddha, and we waked him with a proper Viking tie-on, then held a buddha prayer service the following week.  What you have to avoid is the religions that demand unilateral control.

Ms No's picture

If one thinks too long on the subject one could become concerned that every belief system on this planet originates from some ultraterrestrial communication.  By all modern scientific research accounts by anyone competent, the things are predatory and do exist is some energy form that slips in and out of our dimension.

These things have a pattern.  They show up and give dead on prophesies.  The individual becomes fanatical and evangelized is some form.  Then they share their prophesies and then the start getting inaccurate ones that destroy them.  Their biggest calling card is that they have been predicting the end of the world for five thousand years.  It obviously never happens.  One could just shrug this off but there are often many witnesses and common injuries, such as burnt eyes. 

Moses talked to a burning bush and then killed a shit ton of people in allegedly supernatural fashion.  That doesn't sound good to me.  Solomon also fits the bill and was quite murderous.  Jesus didn't really fit the bill but the religion that sprang from him took on many of the classic characteristics and alleged communications from "Angels", "disciples", "Mary" and the "wheels in the sky" continue, often displaying the standard characteristics.  Of course now we have the new age and their "space brothers" predicting climate collapse.

The Gnostic Christians believed that all of our belief systems were created by a predatory dimensional species for control purposes.  They weren't the only ones either.  They believed that God could only be accessed from  inside oneself, one had to learn discernment and that faith in just anything that speaks from a burning bush would land humanity under the control of those who were in alliance with that which "inverts all truths".  It's too bad that they were all slaughtered and their libraries at Alexandria raised because I would like to hear more about that theory.

Then again, we have the New Agers and UFO contactees to watch.  They haven't killed anybody yet but they are virulently socialist and getting pretty damn weird.  Many of them are basically evangelical space people worshippers.  I have seen this first hand by spending a lot of time in Sedona. 

Also Abraham Lincoln admitted to taking advice from something he contacted during séances.  That didn't work out well.  Any contact of this kind can spring a cult to life very quickly.  The Mormons are a good recent example. 

LA_Goldbug's picture

"The Mormons are a good recent example. "
Spot on !!!!

Jubal Early's picture

http://www.renegadetribune.com/iben-thranholm-european-men-need-return-m...

"Men in Europe are – many men – are acting like women, "

Look at that picture of her with furs and vest.  Hell, are we sure she doesn't have a penis?

I googled her because I wanted to see if she was the mother of children and a home maker because from that photograph I had my doubts.a  Apparently she is either barren or a dyke.  In anycase her political positions are highly suspect if she isn't a real woman yet tries to make us think she is one.

Jubal Early's picture

okay, i get it.  5 women, likely useful idiots, or feminists, down voted me because i wrote:

"Apparently she is either barren or a dyke.  In anycase her political positions are highly suspect if she isn't a real woman"

Sorry girls.  Your first priority is to be a mother.  That is why you were created.  I was created to be a father.   You may listen to the jew, and even believe him, but you were put on this earth to be a mother.  I am sorry to have to bear this bad news.  You may try to be a man, you may hate being a woman, but in the end if you try to become a joan of arc you are just a stupid cunt.  Sorry, men are better at being men than you will ever be despite what the feminist dyke cunts and the jews that own their brains may have told you.  

Jubal Early's picture

Sorry to reply to myself twice but I have looked into her further and I want to point out that she never names the jew.  Just like Gatestone.  I guess she is mad at the cucked men because even though women own the dialog the men won't die to protect the women from muslims that they wanted the jews to send in order to destroy white males who they hate.  All she does is insist men act like women and are the problem.

BeanusCountus's picture

You sound a little like a muslim.

Dildocks's picture

Your stupid antediluvian opinions are quite the refreshing palate cleanser for the humorous intelligence expressed by others. 

Jubal Early's picture

"Millennial lesbian with naturally fulsome lady-parts"

I am really sorry about what happened to you.  They really jewed up your brain good.  How many tattoos did they get you to mutilate your body with?

kuwa mzuri's picture

From this comment and your other "contributions", it's clear you're a male with breasts Baphomet disciple.

 

You're into the he-she gender confusions, abetted by surgical mutilations and sterilizations.

 

They know who you are and what whou've done.  Btw.

Peterman333's picture

Denmark's problems started in 1536. Until they correct that, they're up sh*t's creek sans paddle.

LA_Goldbug's picture

"The North German area influenced Denmark both through long-term economic links and through the Lutheran Protestant Reformation which the Danes embraced in 1536.

The Danish economy traditionally specialized in agriculture like most other small and medium-sized European countries. It is, however, rather unique to find a rich European country in the late-nineteenth and mid-twentieth century which retained such a strong agrarian bias. Only in the late 1950s did the workforce of manufacturing industry overtake that of agriculture. Thus an economic history of Denmark must take its point of departure in agricultural development for quite a long stretch of time.

Looking at resource endowments, Denmark enjoyed a relatively high agricultural land-to-labor ratio compared to other European countries, with the exception of the UK. This was significant for several reasons since it, in this case, was accompanied by a comparatively wealthy peasantry."

And the peasantry needed ,with time, to be sheared.

HRH Feant's picture
HRH Feant (not verified) Mar 18, 2017 5:09 PM

Yes. This is war, a spiritual war. Those who fail to understand that Islam is at war with the west will wake up to that reality, soon enough.

Winston Churchill's picture

We have been bombing the shit out of muslims for 60 years and you think(doubtfull) they are waging war on us ?i

IdioTsincracY's picture

Indeed!

It is amazing how this simple fact escapes the understanding of so many.

The WEST has always been the predator.

IntTheLight's picture

Our government is bombing. The people have no choice.

Muslim governments and their people seek conquest of the West.

That's the difference.

Faeriedust's picture

He/she/it said nothing about who started it.  The problem is that we got tired and wanted to quit, and now they're retaliating.

DieSocialJusticeWankers's picture

Just tripe...Islam has been at war with everyone, in perpetuity.  Islam is even at war with Islam itself..they are savages.  Yes, get the fuck out of the middle east, totally agree...but you are a deluded fool if you think Muslims will retreat into pacifists...they are animals solely propped up by oil profits....a backwards, degenerate religion stuck in the stone age.

Winston Churchill's picture

You're a brainwashed idiot.

Having worked and lived in muslim countries I can assure you most want the same as any other

human beings, peace and to provide for thir families.Waging continual war upon them, their

restraint has actually been amazing.The general radicalization is a a new phenomenom,seems to have

started around sixty years ago.Just a co incidence of course.

I don't want any radicals around me, neither christian or muslim.

kuwa mzuri's picture

Weren't you a pagan Druid, Churchill?

My vote goes to good Christians and good God theists, as there are none like them and many who would discredit their divine-inspired humanity.

LA_Goldbug's picture

"most want the same as any other"

Exactly

BingoBoggins's picture

Really? I haven't read that history, either. "Get out .." you say? AUMF. What's that? Who gives a rat's ass?

TeethVillage88s's picture

1955? Don't leave me hanging here.

"We have been bombing the shit out of Muslims for 60 years..."

2016-1965 = 51 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Crisis (1955)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_airliner_bombing_attacks (1955)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicosia_Cinema_Bombing (1955, Cyprus?)
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/this-day-in-jewish-history/1.700073 (Egypt Executes 2 Israeli Saboteurs 1955)
http://www.nmhtthornton.com/mehistorydatabase/arabisraeliwars.php (Arab-Israeli War, 1948-1973)
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6308.htm (1955, USA Installs Powerful New Radar in Turkey to Spy on Russia)

Winston Churchill's picture

You think that putting a star of David on American bombers and bombs fools anyone ?

 

Even the souk arabs can see thru' that.

LA_Goldbug's picture

How do you define "American bomber" ?

These are the people selling "beads and blankets" to the children and it is them that send these bombers out there. I would call those bombers "Anglo-Zionist bombers".

"In a Washington Post op-ed on March 7, Robert Kagan (photo,left), a co-founder of the Project for the New American Century and a key architect of the Iraq War, jabbed at Republicans for serving as “Russia’s accomplices after the fact” by not investigating more aggressively."

http://21stcenturywire.com/2017/03/17/neocon-files-the-kagans-are-back-w...

UmbilicalMosqueSweeper's picture

Muslims have been at war with the world since their creation by their pedophile pervert , "Rape 'em, Kill' em, Rob 'em"  profit. They learned well from their fellow Abrhamics!

BingoBoggins's picture

Damn. Reading all this, this was a rabble rouser essay. I think I'll read it now. Or not.

LA_Goldbug's picture

Islam IS ALLOWED to be at war with Europe. If there was no oil there they would be ignored just like Madagascar.