Trump Warns Germany "Owes Vast Sums To US... Must Be Paid For Defense"

Tyler Durden's picture

Amid #NoHandshakeGate and the "we have something in common" moment, yesterday's meeting between President Trump and German Chancellor Merkel was at best cordial, judging by the G-20 discussions, and this latest tweet from Trump...

Of course this is not the first time he has pointed this out... NATO, he said, “has problems.”

“[NATO] is obsolete, first because it was designed many, many years ago,” Bild quoted Trump as saying about the trans-Atlantic military alliance. “Secondly, countries aren’t paying what they should” and NATO “didn’t deal with terrorism.”


While those comments expanded on doubts Trump raised about the North Atlantic Treaty Organization during his campaign, he reserved some of his most dismissive remarks for the EU and Merkel, whose open-border refugee policy he called a “catastrophic mistake.”

FACT CHECK: Trump is 100% Correct - Germany has been under-funding its defense budget for years... NATO's 28-member countries committed in 2014 to spending 2 percent of their gross domestic product on defense within a decade. But only the U.S. and four other members of the post-World War II military coalition are meeting the standard, Pence said.

Failure to meet the commitment, he said, "erodes the very foundation of our alliance."

"Let me be clear on this point: The president of the United States expects our allies to keep their word, to fulfill this commitment and, for most, that means the time has come to do more," Pence said.

More awkward looks to come...

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Chupacabra-322's picture

@ cross,

We're absolutely & completely Lawless. And, the Lawlessness has gotten so rampant, it's open & in your face Criminality.

lil dirtball's picture

> nobody important is doing a perp walk. Ever.

So all the chants of 'Lock Her Up!' along with the accompanying applause and cheering and froth was all just wasted energy? All for naught?

Hillary is going to run Donald Trump's NY,NY in an orange pantsuit and not an orange jumpsuit?

Say it ain't so.

Jubal Early's picture

I have been spoiled by HD.  But I will watch that with my grandsons the next time they stay at our house anyway.   They love hotwheels.

Yog Soggoth's picture

Maybe the 4 european countries should be compensated for paying the bills by the slacker countries. I know Greece and Poland could use a windfall about now.

hope_talk's picture

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land_of_the_few's picture

Those 2 are not good examples. Greece has a bad neighbor (a member of NATO) that overflies their territory with warplanes 1000s of times per year, and Poland wants to recreate the former glory of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Which means they have to retake parts of Belarus, Ukraine and so on. They already have some bits of Germany - Stettin, Bresslau, Danzig ....

Teja's picture

Poland has the added disadvantage that they sit on the thru road from Germany to Russia, and vice versa. All flat land there, much better than further south. That they got some German cities after WW II was related to a relocation scheme, like some houses are moved to make way for a new motorway. They lost lots of genuine Polish territory in the east, along with ethnically mixed lands. So it makes sense for them to invest in the military.

There might be some interest left in certain Polish circles to get back Vilnius from Lithuania, or parts of Belarus. Old men, mostly, these days.

shovelhead's picture

Those flies landing on Obama and Hillary?

Trial run.

MEFOBILLS's picture

mosquito-sized and smaller drones


And they can do it to you.  Do you think that only American's can invent?  Humans are still monkeys flinging poo.

How about some sort of mutally advantageous trading system instead of constantly threatening to kill each other?

I guess future humans will have to walk around with personal body mosquito nets, and constantly censor their speach unless the there is a nearby listening drone?  Maybe they huddle in their homes, and send out their robots in their stead?

land_of_the_few's picture

The balance of undergraduates doing STEM subjects and also patents and tech papers published does not favor the West.

Anecdotally, it also seems even pseudo-Western tech supplier countries such as S. Korea are increasingly getting, shall we say colloquially, "slaughtered" in the market in the EU.

For example, you can now get a decent 8-core smartphone for around 200-ish USD equivalent.

And the S. Koreans were the ones that "slaughtered" the Euro,  and US tech suppliers first. Which look to be heading to 3rd rung from top on the ladder globally now, keeping the Japanese company.


IndyPat's picture

Yeah, ummmm....

I want to have that capability over my head the next time the snowflake hoard unfucks itself and gets another Obama on the pitchers* mound.

Or a Squaw Warren. They wouldn't think twice about unleashing that swarm on the deplorable hinterlands.

Long flyswatters.

* yes, I realize he is more of a 'catcher', but I needed the analogy

nmewn's picture

I guaran-damned-tee you if they don't choke up what they owe on their end of a mutual agreement we will be gone. 

So we will both have our wish, oh happy day ;-)

crossroaddemon's picture

Not a chance. Those forces are staying right where they are to prevent germany pursuing closer ties with Russia. 

This is theater.

nmewn's picture

That would be called a treasonous act over on CNN ;-)

political_proxy's picture

Trump maybe gunning for leaving the UN. It is old and feable. It certainly wont do for being the strong arm body of the NWO.
The globalists cartel will have to either rplace or usurp the UN and re-charter it to serve their perasonal evil agenda (the UN's current evil agenda will not suffice). 

Omen IV's picture

The enemy of the American Middle Class has never been Russia - always has been Washington DC since WWII.

BabaLooey's picture

Ain't THAT the truth Whopper.........

IMO - IF Trump tackles/arrests THESE aspectS of the Monore Doctrine (EMPHASIS MINE);

The Monroe Doctrine  

Monroe laid out an independent course for the United States, declaring four major points in his December 2, 1823, address to Congress. He made four basic statements:


1) The United States would not get involved in European affairs. 2) The United States would not interfere with existing European colonies in the Western Hemisphere. 3) No other nation could form a new colony in the Western Hemisphere. 4) If a European nation tried to control or interfere with a nation in the Western Hemisphere, the United States would view it as a hostile act against this nation. In his Monroe Doctrine, he said that the peoples of the West "are henceforth not to be considered as subjects for future colonization by any European powers."

IF he does.........that.

................he MAY..............go down as one of  the greats.....................BUT..............

LOTS of effluvium and a tough order..............for ANY President............


post turtle saver's picture

that's the way I see it... Europe asked us to join, if Europe wants us to leave we should... we're obviously the ones pulling all the weight anyway, let's see what the Euro economic miracle looks like when they pay for their own defense and we don't have to pay for theirs...

fucking ungrateful cunts... the next time all y'all decide to blow each other up to kingdom come we'll say fuck it to any Marshall plans and make you rebuild your own shit with whatever money you can scrape up afterwards...

I have a real problem with Europe's two faced bullshit when it comes to the US... when their ass gets in trouble, they come crying to us, when we get their ass out of trouble, they start crying for us to leave... make up your damned minds already

nmewn's picture

Not only that but I'm sick & fucking tired of europeons appearing in the media bragging about their friggin "socialist healthcare utopia's", 32hr work weeks and 365 days (lol) of mandatory vacation.

Thats all fine and good as far as it goes but they don't have to budget for "other things" and they still won't have to if they don't want to.

But the choices will be theirs and theirs alone, they got big boy pants now ;-)

post turtle saver's picture

it's a crazy world... France and UK have veto power in the UN, all leftovers from the WW2 fallout... you don't see them rushing to give that up anytime soon but what really do they have to back it up with short of a few nukes... diddly and squat, basically... nothing without big brother Uncle Sam standing behind them in the sandlot...

Yukon Cornholius's picture

Big brother uncle sam and his army of overweight, poorly educated minorities. Cpl. Sha'Niqwa says wassup.

shovelhead's picture

Uh oh...

Everytime Germany starts buying hardware, they end up chomping at the bit to use it.

Hey Belgium, you listening? At 0.81, next time we'll send you a good luck card.

nmewn's picture

Belgians in the Congo!...lmmfao!!!

land_of_the_few's picture

France seem to be doing the defense and nice taxpayer-fixed teeth thing pretty effectively?  They don't generally let other countries Mil. bases in either...

nmewn's picture

The French are well known for their hypocrisy...

...and toothy smiles ;-) 

I Feel a little Qeasy's picture

Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. The US does not have allies, it has vassals and victims. The sooner you understand that, and that the US is an occupying force who financed and organized (among others) WWII to weaken Europe and Russia in order to more easily control them, the better you will understand what is really going on in the world.

Hulk's picture

What a wacky fucking world, protecting Germany from what ? The Muslims are already there occupying the cities...

thesonandheir's picture

Germany should pay up or fuck off. 


How disgusting is Merkel's sabre rattling towards Putin when she can't back it up?


Truly horrible woman. 

PT's picture

Let's be honest here.  Since when has Germany been ALLOWED to handle her own defence???????????

BurningFuld's picture

No kidding. Don't pay Germany. Maybe the USA occupying force will finally leave your country.

Jubal Early's picture

Don't be silly.  The US, Germany, all of the EU, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Switzerland are all ZOG.  Defense budgets will be cut when the Rabbi's decide that Greater Israel is great enough.  That is the same point in time when everyone decides either to get chipped or be outcast and starve.

Jubal Early's picture

Wimps who downvote and don't rebutt are likely ((())).

shovelhead's picture

They have a lousy record.

PT's picture

But you can't say they didn't try.




post turtle saver's picture

yep, battleship mouth with a rowboat ass... that describes "European defense" perfectly...

Chupacabra-322's picture

@ Whooper,

The Criminal Fraud UNITED States, CORP. INC. / CIA is the "Bogeyman."

It's a Protection Organized Crime Global Syndicate. Pay us & we won't False Flag or wage illegal Wars of Aggression to you Sovereign, yea right, Nation.

koan's picture

"The USA has been pushing their protection racket on Europe for decades.

There is no bogeyman"

According to you the "bogey man" is the US.

Grumbleduke's picture

the "defense" of Europe includes Germany as the main battlefield, using nuclear weapons. Heck, in the cold war days France was aiming all its nuclear arsenal on german territory, and called us "friends".

Imagine the joy the Germans have now, to feel protected by some corrupt, child fucking assholes!

TAALR Swift's picture

Which is why most EU countries do not want to waste taxpayer money on some perpetual bogeyman, which is nothing more than a forced tax for the MIC.

If the Anglo-American alliance wants to "keep Russia out", they can pay for that themselves. 

This is especially true, given the fact that the US has not signed a peace treaty with Germany, has a large occupying force on several military bases, CIA and NSA facilities and 20 nukes. 

If MIC-Beholden Trump wants all that, then let Trump face the ire of the American taxpayer and voters. 

swmnguy's picture

"Germany has been under-funding its defense budget for years..."

What a crock of shit.  The US has been over-funding their War Machine for decades, more like it.  What military considerations has Germany dealt with since mid-1945?  None, that's how many.  How many military considerations has the US dealt with since then?  Actually none.  Sure, we've been at war the entire 72 years since, but every single one was a war of choice rustled up by the US.

We've been spending a Trillion dollars a year on the War Machine, in 2017 dollars, for a very long time.  Yet we claim that we can't spend a Trillion over the next decade to fix our healthcare finance, education, infrastructure and public finance issues?  Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

There's no "Making America Great Again" without cutting a zero off the War Machine budget.  Let our oceans and borders keep us safe at home.  Let our corporate interests do actual business for a living, rather than using our military to take hostages for them.  Let our currency rise and fall on its own merits, not based on military control over the world's energy flow.

Time for the hostages to tell NATO to take a hike.  If the US wants global Empire, let the US go broke for it, like every other Empire in history.

Teja's picture

Absolutely right. Europe should get 10 years to build their own defense, common or separate, as they like. Same with other regions. Supported by the US, or even a global security alliance, but not the way it is now. An attack on a member of the alliance, be it NATO or a follow on, must be answered by local forces, backed up by a 100% watertight economic blocade against the agressor.

Otherwise the US will break down under its military costs exactly the same way as the USSR did.

Kurt1963's picture

End um Deutchland.......period.....the bully of Europe

JID's picture

I think this is Trump's opening round in a negotiation that he hopes will end with Germany defending itself and the US withdrawing its forces from Europe.

EternalAnusocracy's picture

We (Americans) are fucking broke.  We don't have the money to protect the fucking world from real or imagined enemies.  If any country wants us to protect them, the there is a price.  No protecting any nation from free.  I would prefer that we (USA) pack up all the shit and come home and just worry about protecting our homeland.  

I suspect that most of the world does not want us in their country anyway so it will be a win-win for them and for us.

nmewn's picture

"If you like your NATO you can keep your NATO!"

But the fine print says "the Secretary shall determine" ;-)

Rich Stoehner's picture

We bombed our way in, and we will probably bomb our way out

nmewn's picture

But what about FDR's legacy?!

Logan 5's picture


(Oh wait! That's Netanyahu channelling his inner Beach Boys)