A Nervous Trump Heads To The Capitol Again As 27 Health Plan Holdouts Remain

Tyler Durden's picture

It was 17 yesterday morning, 25 by the close of the day, and now 27 Republicans are opposing (or leaning strongly against) the GOP healthcare plan.

It appears President Trump's "threats" yesterday - which Paul Ryan dismissed using the "he was just kidding" excuse - appears to have failed.

The 27 House Republicans who are against or leaning against the House GOP bill

  • Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH)
  • Rep. Mark Meadows (R-NC)
  • Rep. Justin Amash (R-MI)
  • Rep. Dave Brat (R-VA)
  • Rep. Raul Labrador (R-ID)
  • Rep. Mo Brooks (R-AL)
  • Rep. Rob Wittman (R-VA)
  • Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY)
  • Rep. Tom Garrett (R-VA)
  • Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtin (R-FL)
  • Rep. Leonard Lance (R-NJ)
  • Rep. Mark Amodei (R-NV)
  • Rep. Jim Bridenstine (R-OK)
  • Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX)
  • Rep. Mark Sanford (R-SC)
  • Rep. John Katko (R-NY)
  • Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick (R-PA)
  • Rep. Walter Jones (R-NC)
  • Rep. Ted Budd (R-NC)
  • Rep. Rick Crawford (R-AR)
  • Rep. Lou Barletta (R-PA)
  • Rep. Ted Yoho (R-FL)
  • Rep. Scott DesJarlais (R-TN)
  • Rep. Warren Davidson (R-OH)
  • Rep. Paul Gosar (R-AZ)
  • Rep. Rod Blum (R-IA)
  • Rep. Andy Harris (R-MD)

The Hill reports, as the "RyanCare" battle rages in House of Representatives, many are questioning why so many conservatives find the Speaker's approach noxious.

Fortunately, the Texas Public Policy Forum has listed 10 reasons why the Speaker's healthcare bill falls short — not just when it comes to repealing ObamaCare, but its failure to refocus our nation's healthcare system toward patient care and away from worrying about insurance coverage.


The first two reasons are quoted below:


1. Doesn't Improve Care. Obama[C]are expanded the federal bureaucracy at the expense of quality care. Tax dollars were taken from providers and used to pay administrators, consultants, lobbyists, insurers, and regulators. The House bill does nothing to change that dynamic.


2. Raises Insurance Premiums. The Congressional Budget Office believes that the bill will raise insurance premiums by 15-20 percent on average in the next two years, with even higher spikes in some areas. Americans care most about lowering health costs and making coverage affordable — yet the bill falls short on that count, retaining all but one of Obama[C]are's costly mandated benefits and insurance regulations.


On Washington's political scoresheet, though, the real story is the willingness of Meadows, the Freedom Caucus chairman, to stand up and oppose what can only be described as a bad, bad bill.

But, as NBC News reports, there's still a chance that the bill can still pass because - It's the GOP's last best chance to repeal/replace Obamacare

And the threat of losing that chance - not the threat of losing a congressional seat - could still be a powerful motivating force for opponents and fence-sitters.


And for Trump himself, losing health care this week - especially after FBI Director James Comey's declarations on Monday - could be politically catastrophic for him at this stage of his presidency.


So never underestimate the chances of people who have A LOT to lose if they don't win.

And that is likely what President Trump will remind the holdouts today as he heads to Capitol Hill - due to meet The Freedom Cacus at 1130 reportedly.

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roadhazard's picture

The Art of the Fail.

FrozenGoodz's picture

The Art of Defunding the Arts


Not much to be nervous about ... it has no chance at passing - what could be worse than that?

MillionDollarBonus_'s picture

Let’s face it – the people want Obamacare. Trump’s approval rating is plummeting as he tries to bulldoze through congress and repeal affordable healthcare for millions of ordinary Americans. Get the memo Trump – don’t tread on our Obamacare!

David Rockefeller - Death Of A Giant

Looney's picture


Little MDB is fucking around with his Grandpa’s computer again!

Hey, MDBoychick, go clean up your mess – your Legos are everywhere.  ;-)


tmosley's picture

Would love to see Trump encourage and fund primary opponents for these cucks. If they won't co-operate, they have to go.

froze25's picture

If there is one thing that Trump isn't its "nervous" that man thrives on stress.
I disagree with primary funding, If anything Ryan should be primaried as he is a globalist piece of shit, if anything this allows Trump to shrug his shoulders and say, "Mr. Rino, excuse me Mr. Ryan, I tried but you have to get your people inline or make a better deal." Better deal being the focus.

wren's picture

Did Congress put forth a bill with their plan? Nope, they've been a fail since Obama passed Obamacare. Ever since that black female Republican from something like Louisiana was blackmailed by money for her district to be a turncoat.

My bet is Trump will own this. My bet is that it may not be the perfect plan, you worthless spineless fucks in Congress failed to do shit for 8 years so sit down and shut up. Or vote against it and I will help vote your ass out.

BaBaBouy's picture


Increase costs.
Lower Benefits.
Fewer Covered.

Save Money to Pump Into WARFARE Budget...

Yep, sounds like a winner ...

ZD1's picture

Increase costs.
Lower Benefits.
Fewer Covered.

No, that's Obamacare.

No doubt you would rather money be dumped into PBS and more welfare benefits for illegals? 

AnonymousCitizen's picture

Repeal? Yeah, that sounds good. Replace? Not so much.

Syrin's picture

You are both right.   The RINOcare plan is the worst of Obamadoesntcare with some new window dressings.  I don't know why Trump just doesn't decide to do NOTHING and let the Obamadoesntcare disaster collapse under its own weight.   At that point, people will be begging for it to be removed, and he can then get the right plan into place.

TheMeatTrapper's picture

While that sounds well and fine, my concern about letting ObamaCare collapse is that people will simply continue to show up at the hospital. They will continue to get treated and we, the taxpayer will continue to pay. I don't see how ObamaCare collapsing will reduce my cost, my taxes or make the people who are a drain on society beg for anything. 

I have no love for TrumpCare. I don't think the Federal government has any business at all in any type of insurance. None. That being said, what we have is not working. We can start to move in the right direction, or we can keep what we have. For me, that's a very simple choice. 

I am open to hearing reasoned, fact based arguments to the contrary as my mind is open to better alternatives. If they vote Trumps bill down, then we stay with Obamacare. 

How does that lead to a better outcome for the taxpayer? This is an honest question and I really would like someone to supply me with a fact based answer. 

The problem we have in this country is that a small minority of people consume a huge majority of the healthcare dollars, largely because of their own poor life decisions. I honestly think the only true way out is to let them bear the consequences of their decisions and die. Sounds harsh, but as long as we spend millions of dollars a year to keep scooter riding, Walmart shopping land whales alive - nothing will change. 

tip e. canoe's picture

someone shared this in another thread.   very thoughtful, worth a read and consider.


perhaps the answer is not to throw out the small minority but to force everyone to be more cognizant of costs and their personal contribution therein   i.e. reward accountability and responsibility ?

Syrin's picture

Yeah, if this passes and Trump signs it, I think it will end the perception he is an outsider.  He is better off with no new bill than this bill.   Do you think he's just desperate to get some major piece of legislation passed?

Chris Dakota's picture
Chris Dakota (not verified) Syrin Mar 22, 2017 10:25 AM

Did you watch the rallies and see how many of them are older, trying to save their grandchildren?

Well those older Americans who elected him will see healthcare premiums rise 3 times, those older Americans who were told at 2008 crash, "if you are over 55 you aren't getting a job" by an Obama spokeswoman. So they can't find work and can't afford healthcare now. Don to them "go die"

Unreal he is even touting this.


Thank you Dave Brat!

crossroaddemon's picture

Why would you vote them out? Do you WANT this to pass??

LetThemEatRand's picture

"if they won't co-operate, they have to go"

It's the bill that should go.  I'm glad they are blocking this POS. 

NugginFuts's picture

Does anyone else remember both Obama and Clinton rallying the Democrats to pass Obamacare, telling them point blank that if they didn't pass it they would lose their seats?

Well, they did pass it and they lost even bigger than they could have imagined. 

If Republicans pass this POS bill, the same will be the case. Back off this turd and get it right.

FireBrander's picture

The promise to repeal ObamaCare has always been, and still is, a lie. They simply can't do it without destroying one of the most powerful DC corporate lobby groups; the "health industry".


What to do?

1. Forget the repeal/replace.

2. Remove the mandate to buy; or instruct the IRS not to enforce.



4. After you've fixed the COST OF CARE issues, there will be no need for ObamaCare, and Medicare/Medicaid costs will drop dramatically...then you can repeal ObamaCare and no one will care.


PS> DO THIS and and the ~60M that voted Trump, the ~80M that didn't vote, and even MILLIONS of Hillary voters will give a thumbs up!

PSS> With the money saved by reducing the cost of Medicare/Mediciad, you can spread even more "Freedom and Democracy"!...Maybe that will get the Rino's on board?

crossroaddemon's picture

Dude... you have get your head around the fact that they don't give a FUCK what would make voters happy. That's not what butters their bread. Given a choice between what you want and what the healthcare industry wants, you're going to lose. Every time. Your 4 point plan is a political non-starter.

FireBrander's picture

I understand what you say, but I don't totally agree.

Trump needs to adopt the "let's cut the cost of CARE" platform...rally the people behind him, and then BLUDGEON the Congress into going against the will of the Health Lobby.

If Trump can sell this, and SHOW how costs for J6P will drop, dramatically, and all that is standing in the way is Corporate America and its Republican/Democrat stooges in the Congress, then HE CAN WIN!

Who in the hell would be against a plan that knocks 20, 40, 60% off the COST OF CARE? Certainly not the majority of American Voters!

tip e. canoe's picture

i personally agree with your ideas.   it's all about the costs.   the practical problem is that the industry is 1/6th of GDP.   i choose to believe that uACA was partly implemented as a way to get money velocity up.    remember around that time that velocity had plummeted and the libs were crying about the bad "savers"?   the uACA gets passed and that money starts moving out of savers' bank accounts into insurance company bank accounts into hospital and BigPharma bank accounts into employee bank accounts.  it's all about the churn.

so if "healthcare" costs go down by 30-50%, velocity does as well by a multiple of that.   GDP takes a hit and USTs go through the floor (aka interest rates skyrocket).

agree that medium to long term, this is the right perscription, but right now, the entire US economy is a patient hooked up to a machine and injected with tons of pharms to keep the appearance that the patient is alive and recovering.   

pull any one of those plugs, poof.

Syrin's picture

Sounds simple in a bullet point presentation, but the reality is everyone has been trying to reduce costs for decades, and no one has found a solution.

crossroaddemon's picture

There isn't one. The entrenched interests who profit from the present scheme are far too powerful. I honestly can't envision a non-catastrophic solution.

Chris Dakota's picture
Chris Dakota (not verified) FireBrander Mar 22, 2017 10:41 AM

Yes take away the fine, the pig will collapse on its own.

Laddie's picture

That SWINE like Paul Ryan, Soros funded, supports the imposition of Obamacare or anything like it tell us that the America of yore IS DEAD. We can only HOPE to use the years ahead while Trump is president to get ready for the SHOWDOWN.

At an October 2013 panel, MIT economist (((Jonathan Gruber))), a key architect of the Affordable Care Act, admitted that it was passed by exploiting political ignorance. If voters had known that the law would work by forcing young and healthy people to provide massive new subsidies for the old and sick, he doubts that it could have gotten through Congress:

“[Economist] Mark [Pauly] made a couple of comments that I do want to take issue with, one about transparency in financing and the other is about moving from community rating to risk-rated subsidies. You can’t do it politically. You just literally cannot do it, okay, transparent financing…and also transparent spending.” Gruber said. “In terms of risk-rated subsidies, if you had a law which said that healthy people are going to pay in—you made explicit that healthy people pay in and sick people get money, it would not have passed, okay. Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass…Look, I wish Mark was right that we could make it all transparent, but I’d rather have this law than not.”

Paul Ryan Obamacare and the Jewish Supremacist Deep State March 9 2017 (AUDIO)

Obamacare, and any other GOVERNMENT MANDATE, is yet ANOTHER wealth transfer from US, the White populace, to the people of color. At the same time .gov is, effectively, killing off the Golden Goose, i.e. White America.

The 1965 Immigration Act killed America, the people had no idea.

Why Every Warrior Should Own a Firearm

ZD1's picture

"Obamacare, and any other GOVERNMENT MANDATE, is yet ANOTHER wealth transfer from US, the White populace, to the people of color."


People of color?

White is not a color?




crossroaddemon's picture

Lemme get this straight... you APPROVE of this shitty bill?

political_proxy's picture

The bill is full of junk. As usual the useful things have been removed, if not omitted originally.

drendebe10's picture

Vote all the fukn bastards out. Fukemall

DocBerg's picture

Quite a few of us tried to primary out that lying weasel Paul Ryan.  Unfortunately, the peons are no match for the funding from Soros and the Koch brothers, the insurance industry, Big Pharma...

Pliskin's picture

Yeh, and I bet they're not even the 'real' Legos, they're those big chunky block ones that they give to toddlers to play with, so they don't get them stuck up their nose or down their windpipe!

Looney's picture


I don’t see any problems with this bill being pulled.

Rand Paul is absolutely right – REPEAL BananaCare first and then, get the fuck out of healthcare all together.


Erek's picture

Socialized medicine: the epitome of socializm.

Socializm = Communism

TemporarySecurity's picture

Progressive = Socialism = Communism = Democrats = Republicans

I only voted for them to repeal it not create their own Marxist plan.

epicurious's picture

I have to say that when I use the health service in the UK or France they are 10 times cheaper than the USA.  I have also used even poor old Puerto Rico's healthcare system and found it by far at least 10 times cheaper just paying cash out of pocket and better also (example:  had a full body bone scan and had it read by board certified physician and it cost me without insurance $216 cash) .  Their are things governement can do for it's citizens and making health care a public service is possible, but it means throwing out the insurance companies changing torte law so liability insuance is minimal, and having the government subsidize education of medical personell.  That's how it works in the real world.  In the USA ranks last among the industrialized nations world wide.  http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/press-releases/2014/jun/us-...

FireBrander's picture

The ONLY "Socialized Medicine" in the USA is the VA Medical System.

For everyone else, we are being crushed by a CORPORATE, CRONY, CAPITALIST medical system whose "lobbyists" sit at the table for EVERY "Health Bill" the Congress writes.

You can go around the world, find endless TRUE socialized medicine that COSTS LESS than our system and whose people LIVE LONGER than we do!

If the USA were to go to a FULL Socialized System Tomorrow, that would be a huge improvement over what we have now...still not a good idea, but a vast improvement none the less.

crossroaddemon's picture

It's probably the only near-term step towards something better, really. You can't just tear it down without causing severe disruption,and that woud be political suicide. You CAN NOT tell J6P that shit has to get worse before it gets better. Nothing that doesn't include a smooth upgrade path is going to be on the table, ever. Single payer is probably the least bad option from where we're sitting now.

Jim in MN's picture

The UK is literally falling apart as we speak.  Look it up on the BBC.  They've just called the NHS a 'burning platform'.

Here is a better idea--limit the regulated market to catastrophic care, ream the drug companies and implement REAL competition in the provider segment.

A Competitive ‘Big Bang’ for U.S. Health Care Reform

The Bottom Line

The U.S. health care industry needs a transformational ‘big bang’ transition to competition.  President Trump should demand industry cooperation for the creation of a $100 billion fund, paid for up front by the industry.  This fund would be used to pay the profits for those elements of the industry that demonstrate significant efficiency gains over the following three years, by greatly increasing supplier choice and bidding at all key cost points.  The fund would also be used for immediate premium relief for all American households.  Catastrophic care and pharmaceutical negotiations would be handled in separate arrangements, leaving a huge new competitive health care sector for nearly all services.

The Problem

Health care is directly in the new Administration’s sights.  There is immense appetite for change.  Replacing the Affordable Care Act is proving an elusive quest for the establishment Republicans.  On the Democratic side, a mix of timid incremental fixes rests uneasily with an urge to socialize the entire health care sector.  If the next reforms fail, systemic collapse or a national single-payer scheme become by far the most likely outcomes.  Indeed, we may see both.

The Big Idea

Facing this extreme strategic risk, it is clear that the President has an opportunity to bring in the executives of the Nation’s health care insurers, major care providers, and pharmaceutical firms.  He can make, and expect to win, very tough demands and come to very big deals with these executives. 

Making a large proportion of this industry into a highly competitive free market has a huge potential to benefit the American public.  Cost savings, efficiency gains, better services, and more choices are all possible.  This can be done as it has been in financial services, energy markets, and other examples across numerous countries.  The ‘big bang’ of a planned leap from fully regulated to largely market-driven industry is really no longer just an option for health care in the U.S.  It is, simply, necessary.

Another insight based on experience in other industries is crucial for U.S. health care, due to the size, complexity, and highly varied nature of industry service delivery.  In cases where the exact nature of cost points and potential efficiency gains are opaque or otherwise hidden from policymakers, the use of very large incentives can force industry to find the efficiencies without excessive regulatory oversight. 

The Proposal

Now is the time for a fresh proposal—one based on the fundamentally American and bipartisan tenets of liberty, free markets, and the quest for innovation.  A proposal that blows by the status quo and the short-sighted strategies of the industry powers that be.  A proposal, most importantly, that can be implemented quickly, offer premium relief to Americans, and create a permanent shift in an industry that makes up 20 percent of the U.S. economy.

What the President should demand is the creation of a $100 billion fund, paid for up front by the industry.  One name for this could be the Joint Operations-Premium Yield (JOPY) fund.  This fund would be used to pay the profits for those elements of the industry that demonstrate significant efficiency gains over the following three years.  In other words, profitability would become conditional on meeting performance targets, rather than gaming the system.  But on the upside, the level of profits need not be limited or regulated beyond meeting the targets for increased competition.  Success would be both lucrative and unlimited, within the competitive market.

For the first time, corporate boardrooms would be seeking lean and efficient cost structures rather than padding and gold plating (to inflate or hide excess profits).  Insurance companies, hospitals, medical partnerships, and patients would all share a common goal, to meet needs at the lowest cost.   In practice, the key notion is to embed bidding and arbitrage throughout the system.  At least five competitive sources should be sought, or if necessary created, for as many cost points as possible. Foreign providers and procedures should be allowed to compete in open marketplaces.  Rewards, bonuses and other incentives should be developed at many levels to spur innovation and efficiency.

 In this manner, one three-year ‘big bang’ would be the genesis of a culture of competition and, one can hope, excellence in service delivery. 

Supporting Experience

Decades of work across dozens of countries and diverse economic sectors has shown that the key to well-functioning markets is to establish as much competitive bidding and price arbitrage as possible into the system.  One, two or even three potential suppliers of goods and services are nearly always insufficient.  Five to seven competing suppliers has been shown to be a very strong indicator that bidding and arbitrage will push prices down (competitive pricing), rather than up (oligopolistic pricing).  The raw truth is, there is no such thing as neutral price arbitrage.  It can only work for the consumer, and economic efficiency, or against them.  This is why identification of key cost points, and putting a high priority on developing depth in the supply pool, is of the utmost importance in any market-based reform plan.  Ensuring that bidding and arbitrage function as pervasively and successfully as possible is paramount.  And yet, it is not as simple as simply imagining that these competitive structures can operate literally everywhere.  All industries and national settings are unique (and in the U.S., some state and regions are large enough to have their own unique conditions).  Paraphrasing Einstein, “make every industry as competitive as possible—but no more.” 

Issues and Responses

Identifying true market failure and unique limits to competition is also needed.  Market-based reforms fail when they are pushed too far or ignore fundamental, empirical facts about the industry.  For the U.S. health care system there are two major areas that should not be forced into a minimally regulated free market.  Catastrophic care can be seen as the long end of the risk tail for health care costs.  It is unrealistic to expect a patient with immediate or chronic need for the most expensive medical services to obtain bids, and for suppliers to maintain such costly technologies while risking losing bids.  Catastrophic care should be provided by a consortium of specialized insurance and provider entities, which could be public or private.  In many ways this catastrophic care system could remain much like today’s arrangement, but with performance-based reimbursement and profitability reforms.  

Similarly, pharmaceutical negotiations could aim for more competitive outcomes in the long term, but in the current crisis simple and dramatic price reductions should be demanded.  The past five to ten years of consolidation and profiteering in medical drugs will have to tide these firms over; the American public simply has to see major and immediate relief in this area.

crossroaddemon's picture

But surely you can see why this is a political impossibility. So long as we're clinging to the present governmental system the only solutions worth discussing are ones that have a prayer of being passed.

Jim in MN's picture

I don't know. 

If you corner the industry executives and just give them any market-based option like the above, vs. collapse/single payer-socialism, what do they do then?

Shouldn't someone try?

I do agree that if health care goes down the tubes, the Trump experiment's odds of success drop dramatically.  And they aren't that high to begin with.

Just trying to help :*)

crossroaddemon's picture

Yes, but WHO should try? There's no chance that the elected representatives are going to do that, not even an itty bitty one. They're getting rich off of this too.

TheAntiProgressive's picture

Now maybe I am bat shit crazy but I have seen other posters putting forth ideas that need to be implemented.  Here are my suggestions.  That is what they are suggestions but it is at least an effor,t right you toady Republican “leaders”.?  Big vote on RyanCare this week. Write your "Representatives". My letter to my Congressman Ryan Costello. Feel free to use it, not use it, edit it or whatever, but phone them or mail them. This madness must stop.

Monday, March 20, 2017

Dear Congressman,

7 years. I know you haven’t been there the whole time but again, 7 years. You politicians and your leadership have had more than enough time to have your little meetings and get a plan together on how to fix this healthcare issue. Now we have a contorted “phased” implementation on “Replace”. You know how I could easily tell the establishment RINOs from the real Conservatives? They always touted “Replace”.

This is the same approach used to pass the Federal Reserve Act. The Congressman scurrying between DC and Jekyll Island when presented with the laundry list less that the bankers wanted was confronted with claims of not enough, not what we designed, and his response was, stop complaining we passed it, we will “fix” it. And so started the long debasement of the US dollar and the enslavement of the people to a meaningless, valueless fiat currency manipulated by unelected bureaucrats.

This same game plan has been adopted by the Congress of today. The Democrat party passed it and the Republican party has promised to “fix” it. Both the FED and the ACA were not wanted by the majority of the American people but Congress turned their backs on the people and did it anyway. This is not a “Republican” form of “representation”, this is tyranny. Un-Constitutional edicts from bureaucrats in DC. Bills written behind closed doors by the insurance industry for the insurance industry. Total cronyism at the expense of the American taxpayer.

This week we see a vote in the House for implementation of the RynaCare replacement for Obamacare. Nothing has really changed here. If indeed you and the other politicians wanted real “change”, real “solutions” you would have done much, much better. You had the time. Phased implementation sounds like Reagan's immigration policy of many years ago.

Here is your solution that you couldn’t seem to think up. This is based on your flawed phase approach.

Phase 1 before even looking at Health Care. Tort Reform. Loser pays British tort system. Get the “lotto” mentality out of our suit happy nation. The Torts lobby primarily funds the Democrat party. Torts and Insurance liability are logarithmic adders to health care costs across the board, let alone the billions spent on “defensive medicine”. This effort is easily decoupled from “Repeal and Replace” and can stand alone and show true sincerity in “solutions”. This alone will help in bringing many medical and drug costs way down.

Phase 2 Open up ALL insurance markets. Let ALL caregivers design and implement small insurance policies. Parameters obviously, no turndowns, bonded, published rates and pricing and on and on. No restrictions on geographical boarders. ALL Caregivers.

Phase 3 OK now you can chat with the big insurance companies.

Phase 4 Big Pharma. NO drugs to be sold outside the USA for 1 penny more than is available locally. You are not restricting markets. You are not telling them what price to charge, you are telling big pharma that the deepest pocket, the USA, will no more bear the cost for international market share expansion. To often we have funded Pharma R&D through US tax policy. We deserve the best lowest price for our “investment” for their product development.

There is a vote this week about whatever the stupid bill is named. If you sincerely care about the direction of this country and really sincerely care about your voters, you will vote NO to the bill being pushed by Paul Ryan and the Insurance industry.

Sincerely Yours,




cheech_wizard's picture

Bullshit. Happens all the time in the real world, and ultimately the disruption cleans out the bloated crap that clogged the pipes to begin with.

Standard Disclaimer: I was involved with a project that went all the way to tape-out, even the mask reticles had been made, and next day, entire project was cancelled. Thousands of man hours - poof - gone.


crossroaddemon's picture

Yeah, but if that disruption involves people not being able to take their kids to the doctor whoever is sitting in the oval office is going to take the blame square on the chin. It's political suicide. The transition period would be painful, disruptive, and probably take longer than you think. Would we come out with something better? Probably... but you're never gonna sell it to the masses. I live in flyover country surrounded by Trump supporters, and what you have to realize is that people are fucking broke. Everyone out here either gets .gov medical benefits, or cares about somebody who does. Take them away outright and they'll all turn on him.


Looney's picture


Please, stop encouraging Looney.   ;-)


Byte Me's picture

"It's the GOP's last best chance to repeal/replace Obamacare"

I liked Babylon5...

The Trumpmeister needs to let this graciously fail. Let O'care die the death it deserves WITHOUT owning the fallout.

Then let the market sort itself out.

(Meanwhile looking to start a cross-party coalition of pols who can live in reality. Becuse the DemCraps are toast; and the Repugnopeds are just history too. None of which is a surprise,just whether and how quickly a "party of national unity" can be forged. Preferably before 2020)

GUS100CORRINA's picture

OBAMACARE ... What a MESS!!! 


You know what is really going on with healthcare can be summed up in one phrase ....

"This divide is no longer between the left and the right, but between patriots and globalists."

A single payer healthcare system would be a disaster for America.

Obamacare was a hegelian dialectic tactic plain and simple!!